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(09-16-2018 04:57 PM)Castelnau Wrote:  I think there should be more sympathy for your fellow citizens that are struggling financially. So for example when people denounce states for raising the federal minimum wage and gleefully report McDonalds is installing self-serve kiosks (as if they weren't going to do that anyway).

If you want to be a nationalist and patriot you can't just be for keeping out immigrants and owning libs you have to show some compassion for your fellow citizen even if they are a incompetent ugly low class fast food worker that gets your order wrong. I know raising the minimum wage can be counter-productive but just criticising people who want to do something and not offering any solutions is not acceptable. Same with single payer healthcare, how to help the homeless, college debts, etc, etc. A lot of conservatives just shrug and say government interference will lead to dependency. The average person may not buy SJW bullshit but they can get behind the idea that they're struggling financially and the rich are too rich.

Otto Von Bismark outflanked the german left by pre-emptively offering pensions and workers insurance. We already waste money anyway on stupid overseas wars and bases how about JUST ONCE we spend that money to help people financially even if it fails? Obviously the main problem is corruption and how to most effectively spend that money.

This is what I have been saying all along.

And this is the reason why I feel Trump won.

Many people, especially his die-hard supporters don't like hearing this, but he won because he went full liberal on a lot of these issues.

-He was against TPP when everyone else in the Republican party was for it.
-He was against NAFTA because it fucked over American workers
-He was against cutting social security, Medicare, and Medicaid
-He was for infrastructure spending
-He was for a Universal Healthcare Plan

^^^^ Notice that these are the same issues that progressives like Bernie Sanders are for. These are all Bernie issues. This proves to me that the average American doesn't care for buzzwords like "small government" or "fiscal conservatism" or "we need to 'reform' social securiy" People aren't for small government when it comes to their healthcare, retirement, or social security. They don't want to see these programs cut, and that goes the same for a person living in New York city and a rancher living in Alabama.


Trump railing against TPP and NAFTA





Trump promises not to cut SS, Medicare, and Medicaid





Trump announces infrastructure spending

I like how he points at the Democrats as in to say "this is your idea"






Trump for universal health care

He had to change his position a little bit during the campaign, but you can see where his heart is. He believes America should have universal healthcare.










Trump. The perfect combination of a conservative populist on social issues and an Economic liberal is what won him the white house. He basically told average Americans that its ok to be a conservative and be for medicare, medicaid, social security and universal health care, and to be against the war in Iraq. Oh and also "fuck Muslims and Mexicans" Laugh, I'm Mexican and I aint even mad. Its good strategy.

Everyday conservatives are actually Liberal deep down. Who knew.
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This point about Bismarck is quite apt. The elites have to offer some kind of social deal for the common people that will keep them farming, working in the factories, starting businesses, and supporting military foreign policy.

This is actually what socialism, fascism, Nazism, the New Deal, and the Great Society were about.

There are two gigantic provisos to this approach: you can't run the nation bankrupt, and you can't go full totalitarian police state. You never go full totalitarian police state.

So, what do you do if the social contract is failing, the nation is approaching bankruptcy, and you are starting to have totalitarian rules that were previous the subject of scorn and comedy in other countries?

1. Double down and go full totalitarian
2. Brilliantly rally all your remaining strengths, trump your international competitors economically and militarily, and grow/reform your way out of the current malaise (see what I did there)

Option 2 is the best. It's not easy, but there are numerous examples on history where is was tried, and some truly succeeded.

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I don't like the Pledge of Allegiance or standing for the flag at sporting events, it just comes across as needless when civilians have to do it. I also don't like this knee-jerk demand that we glorify all police and soldiers as heroes. Sure, both positions are needed, and sure, both are dangerous professions, but they're jobs with good benefits and a LOT of perks, and it isn't like nobody would ever want to take them. (Shit, in the latter, you get to travel free and actually have interesting stories when you get back - assuming you're not seeing major action and coming back scarred for life with PTSD.)

I'm not mad at Kapernick for kneeling and "disrespecting our soldiers", I'm just mad he's gone and politicized sports. He's telling a majority of his audience "I hate all of you, fuck you - oh, and you retards will have to watch me demonstrate, since I know you'll never give up sports." That's enough to make me stop watching.
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(09-15-2018 02:27 AM)Higgs Bosun Wrote:  Muh abortion cuckery. Minorities abort their babies at 5 times the rate whites do, with the difference being most pronounced in the most dysfunctional, democratic leaning segment of the minority population-ghetto blacks. Abortion is just about the most powerful demographic weapon we have, so I view anyone of the right who wishes to overturn Roe vs Wade or otherwise make abortion more difficult to procure as either a cuck or an idiot.

I told my bible banging hardcore Republican parents this once, and after a brief period of momentary shock, the reality of it sunk in and I haven't heard them talk much about abortion ever since lol.

I disagree with con-servatives on almost everything. Drugs, the Constitution, democracy, Israel, taxes (the elites in this country should get taxed into oblivion), muh military, muh gunz, free trade. It's all shit.
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(09-17-2018 01:56 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  
(09-15-2018 02:27 AM)Higgs Bosun Wrote:  Muh abortion cuckery. Minorities abort their babies at 5 times the rate whites do, with the difference being most pronounced in the most dysfunctional, democratic leaning segment of the minority population-ghetto blacks. Abortion is just about the most powerful demographic weapon we have, so I view anyone of the right who wishes to overturn Roe vs Wade or otherwise make abortion more difficult to procure as either a cuck or an idiot.

I told my bible banging hardcore Republican parents this once, and after a brief period of momentary shock, the reality of it sunk in and I haven't heard them talk much about abortion ever since lol.

I disagree with con-servatives on almost everything. Drugs, the Constitution, democracy, Israel, taxes (the elites in this country should get taxed into oblivion), muh military, muh gunz, free trade. It's all shit.

Drugs are pretty damn bad for the most part but would decriminalize a few (tiny minority) of them. I wouldn't legalize any because I support those working in the drug industry, the lowest barrier of entry to becoming a genuine capitalist (that second line is a joke. Kind of)

Israel should be reduced to ashes but part of me thinks this is the Israel the Antichrist will reign from so it wouldn't be possible (but might as well try, I'm not an evangelical who thinks we can hold a gun to the Lord's head and make the Rapture happen on demand, mainly by assisting Israeli genocides, and making sure hundreds of thousands/millions of our soldiers come home in body bags.)

The constitution needs to be restored, most likely with guns. And fuck democracy, it's supposed to be a Republic, every idiot shouldn't be voting.
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I'm pretty libertarian on drugs. It's incongruent to have legal tobocaaco and alcohol and not allow others.

Also, I don't see the OD epidemic as an issue. If youre too dumb to use recreational drugs responsibly or take shit like fetanyl, then we're all better off if you remove yourself from the genepool.

The Constitution will need to be shredded for there to be any chance of restoring America to it's former greatness.
It was written in a time where Europe was our greatest threat. That's how we developed retarded policies like birth right citizenship. We don't live in those times anymore.

I think many Trump supporters would be in favor of reversing all the chain migration citizens we've acquired. But that's not constitutional. Stocking the Rio Grande with alligators? Not constitutional. Sending death squads after ms-13 and cartel linked groups here? Not constitutional.

You need quasi fascism to get shit done. The Founding Fathers were revolutionaries at the time but a lot of shit changes in 300 years.
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< Plus - he is just making a political statement that is based on lies made up by the media and the left politics. The data simply does not support their claims. It's as if Serena Williams started to kneel for 1 minute before each match for the gender pay gap. The gender pay gap while constantly repeated is not real (not real for the oppression or patriarchy reasons they give you) - and it's certainly not real for overpaid sportsball pros.
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(09-15-2018 02:41 PM)gework Wrote:  It's bad and it's only getting worse. The state health service was set up by the left and like pensions was not set up in a sustainable way.

Very true.

The trouble with things like the NHS, Education and basically anything the government gets involved in, is mission creep. The NHS for example starts off with with very reasonable aims (fixing you up, delivering babies etc) but before you know it money is being spent on transgender surgery, cosmetic stuff for women, legal fees, and management consultants.

This article details how 7.6 BILLION a year is wasted;

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic...-year.html


I guess I'm 'on the right' (though left on some issues) but I believe in a NATIONAL Health Service (just not an 'international' one).

Also, every time some politician says we 'can't afford' something (like new baby incubators) I just think of all the money we give away each year in 'foreign aid'!! 13.4 BILLION a year!

https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-spending-foreign-aid/

This includes £463 million to Pakistan!?? What the fuck for! £352 million to Syria. £235 million to Afghanistan!

India has long been the biggest recipient of 'aid'. Hundreds of millions of pounds of our precious money going to a country with their own Space program (which has recently sent a mission to Mars!). It also can afford Nuclear Weapons. As can Pakistan.

I'm not heartless, but I just don't get how we can give away our treasure elsewhere when we are struggling at home with many issues. It totally boils my piss.

So, I fully believe we can fund our NHS, and our pensions. If we did it right, like you say. There just isn't the will at the top to make the tough decisions. We need someone to just strike a few lines through things on the paper and say 'India? No way, they aren't getting that anymore (sorry India, but you do have more billionaires than the UK!). Transgender surgery, you say? You can pay for it yourself in future.

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< Because Western countries are owned by globalist masters who already consider themselves as the Owners of the Planet. What they are doing right now is just consolidating their control. To them it's just a money transfer from their province UK to their province in Pakistan and India.

The underlying machinations are what matters to them to attain their final goal of a Brave New One World Government that they can ultimately steer from afar. The West is just a piggy bank plus on the demographic extermination list since they might rebel against them some day, so they better make sure to make Whites all minorities in their homecountries while preaching compassion, Christian values of inclusion, open borders, individualism, more classical liberalism etc.

Problem is of course that the other side as well as the other Muslim and shitizen groups are not going to be ever classical liberalists.

There is enough money to pay for basic health care in the West - heck - if you allowed more for prevention, then there would be much more, but this is not about money. There is always money for refugees. Remember the stink that Germany made over the billions it had to pay for Greek debt? Literally one year later it all did not matter since Germany happily took in shitizens that cost them 100 bio. $/year easily (40 bio. $ that they admit to). So Germany took in obligations that will cost them more than the ENTIRE GREEK DEBT within 4-5 years! Suddenly money was no issue. So essentially Germany could have easily paid the entire principal payments and interest rate payments for Greeks and it would still be cheaper than accepting half the inbred terrorist rapists!
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my biggest problem with conservatives is that they believe in democracy. this leads to flaws in their approach to most other issues:

- racial egalitarianism
- sexual egalitarianism
- lifestyle egalitarianism
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this is why they cuck on everything, because they are democrats, hence their principles are always tied to the majority view, whatever it may be. they say that leftists are the real racists, started already saying that leftists are the real homophobes, and soon they will be saying leftists are the real transphobes, pedophobes, etc. because of their democratic leanings, they refuse punish anti-social behavior, making society into a cesspool.

this democratic leaning is also visible in the current discussion in this thread over economics. it's either democratic socialism or democratic capitalism. I favor feudalism, which bypasses the lack of social responsibility and cooperation from capitalism and the dependency/totalitarianism of socialism.
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YES!!!!

I've always wondered why Reagan was regarded as the "messiah" of the Republican party when that's essentially his track record. Only a retarded group of cuckersvatives would want to subvert President Trump with an anonymous group "Regan Battallion." HAHAHA!!!! Today we have California to deal with. I can name at least one older guy that says President Trump is better than Reagan.

Generally speaking the right is way too nice. I consider myself center right and I don't think I have much to add here except some proposed solutions:

Bust tech companies. Twitter, Facebook, and Google are leftist owned and they don't act like public utilities. If you go against the liberal narrative that we can all hold hands and sing Kumbaya then you're punished. Jack Dorsey lied to Congress and should be thrown into jail.

A repatriation act. If anybody (esp. celebrities) want to complain about America sucking we will have funds to send you a one way ticket to a 3rd world country. I'm pretty sick and tired of seeing leftists complain about America while they sip on their designer martinis. Put up or shut up. Call it the STFU Act.

Media oversight boards. We have them for police so you bet your ass we will make sure as a journalist you're not making up some bull about WMDs, rapefugees, or how the banks are good people that deserve a bailout.

(09-16-2018 03:38 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  It was Reagan who signed the destructive no-fault divorce law, it was Reagan who offered the biggest amnesty back in the day, it was Bush who weaponized the diversity industry forcing banks to give mortgages to undeserving mostly Hispanic customers in order to get the Hispanic vote up to 44% (I'll buy you a house if you vote for me), it was Bush who blabbered on about Islam being a religion of peace etc.

(09-21-2018 09:31 AM)kosko Wrote:  For the folks who stay ignorant and hating and not improving their situation during these Trump years, it will be bleak and cold once the good times stop.
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(09-17-2018 09:06 AM)ChicagoFire Wrote:  YES!!!!

I've always wondered why Reagan was regarded as the "messiah" of the Republican party when that's essentially his track record. Only a retarded group of cuckersvatives would want to subvert President Trump with an anonymous group "Regan Battallion." HAHAHA!!!! Today we have California to deal with. I can name at least one older guy that says President Trump is better than Reagan.

I voted for Reagan. The leftist media viciously attacked Reagan, even though he was always polite and never insulted anyone like Trump does. The mainstream Republican party also hated Reagan, just like they hated Trump, before he turned the whole thing around. It's the same behavior. Nothing changes.

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Regean started amnesty for illegals. Enough said.
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Yeah, when people say "best since Reagan" I shrug and think "yeah, I guess that's kind of alright, I suppose" but really we need "Trump's legacy makes Reagan look like Bill Clinton" for America to have a chance.
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It's really not a surprise that boomer conservatives worship Reagan. He was senile, probably had full blown dementia in his 2nd term. But if you spit out enough patriotic slogans, they don't really care about effectiveness.
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That's fair Sherman but I think Reagan's mind was his weak point at best. At worst he was another globalist. Hence his joke of a legacy. Did they ever punish the appropriate military personnel for not following his orders on striking Iran (nope).

Now that I think of it some things that would make me not want to support President Trump are: war with Russia, institute the draft, hold hands with the EU, and bail the banks out again. I probably would bide off time in another country until the government hunts me down for whatever bullshit they make up. Nationalism or death at this point.

(09-21-2018 09:31 AM)kosko Wrote:  For the folks who stay ignorant and hating and not improving their situation during these Trump years, it will be bleak and cold once the good times stop.
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I don't know if this qualifies as a "conservative idea" per se, but I can't stand the whole obsessive daddy/daughter culture that's sprung up with suburban fathers in the past ten years.

First it was "Daddy Daughter Dances," a somewhat creepy idea, but one that was benign enough since it allowed fathers and girls to bond.

But then this gave way to the "Rules for Dating My Daughter" memes and viral Facebook rants, in which dads basically threatened any guy who dared look at their precious girls. Hell, there's even a Pinterest page about this.

This is one area where I agree with feminists (HuffPost cache link here). This does come off as dysfunctional. But my reasons are different for disliking this. I don't think it sets up girls to be "controlled" by men. I believe it accomplishes these three things:

1). It feeds the egos of these girls (most of whom seem to have healthy self-images to begin with).

2). It scares away all the decent guys who like to avoid drama and assures only gangsters not afraid of "daddy" will get near these girls.

3). It sets up the idea that no man is good enough, and thereby fuels the dysfunctional dating scene we're dealing with now.

Since when the hell did fathers feel the need to get involved with the personal lives of their daughters to this extent? This isn't conservatism, as they'd have you believe.

No, this is a holdover from the touchy-feely 1970s family/school psychology "sharing" culture, where everyone was up everyone else's butts and no one got their personal space. The old-line dads of the 1950s basically said "Be home by eleven, dear. You and Richie have a good time."

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When I was a teenager a girl's father showed me his gun collection.

Being a teenage asshole I did the last thing he wanted... Pretend I didn't understand the implied threat.

"Whoa these are AWESOME! I'm so glad showed me these!" Etc

Could see the steam coming out his ears. Fucking cuck.
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(09-17-2018 08:07 PM)ChicagoFire Wrote:  That's fair Sherman but I think Reagan's mind was his weak point at best. At worst he was another globalist. Hence his joke of a legacy. Did they ever punish the appropriate military personnel for not following his orders on striking Iran (nope).

Now that I think of it some things that would make me not want to support President Trump are: war with Russia, institute the draft, hold hands with the EU, and bail the banks out again. I probably would bide off time in another country until the government hunts me down for whatever bullshit they make up. Nationalism or death at this point.



People don't have any idea what they are talking about. If there wasn't a Reagan, there wouldn't be a Trump. Reagan put a temporary end to the 1960s radicalism and if Jimmy Carter's legacy had continued thing would be even worse. I don't agree with comparisons because they were different times. Reagan was a charmer and used it to great advantage. However today Trump is more relevant because he is a street fighter which is what is needed to fight the thugs. Different personalities for different times.

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Actually if there hadn't been a Reagan, there would have been a Trump much sooner.

It was neo-conservatives like Reagan who fooled the country into thinking we had a party that was at least trying to look out for native born Americans while their policies were no different than the Left, at least on the issues that matter (immigration, free trade, interventionism,etc)
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Nice ad hominem Sherman you still didn't address Reagan's "legacy" that we have to deal with now. Amnesty has changed California for the worst. Even if it was a changing of the guard and a shift from Jimmy Carter's ineffective domestic policy and dismissiveness of the threat of the Soviet Union we see what Reagan left behind. Reagan simply wasn't this great President he was made out to be. There's no concrete proof that Reagan ushered in Trump. I could claim Reagan ushered in George H Bush and that's baseless. Only a group of cuckservative boomer Never Trumpers would want to support something like "Reagan Battallion."

President Trump is a step in the right direction, which is changing the judicial system for generations to come. Unless of course he does things like grant mass amnesty like Reagan or get into 2 wars like that moron George Bush.

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(09-17-2018 04:15 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  < Because Western countries are owned by globalist masters who already consider themselves as the Owners of the Planet. What they are doing right now is just consolidating their control. To them it's just a money transfer from their province UK to their province in Pakistan and India.

The underlying machinations are what matters to them to attain their final goal of a Brave New One World Government that they can ultimately steer from afar. The West is just a piggy bank plus on the demographic extermination list since they might rebel against them some day, so they better make sure to make Whites all minorities in their homecountries while preaching compassion, Christian values of inclusion, open borders, individualism, more classical liberalism etc.

Problem is of course that the other side as well as the other Muslim and shitizen groups are not going to be ever classical liberalists.

There is enough money to pay for basic health care in the West - heck - if you allowed more for prevention, then there would be much more, but this is not about money. There is always money for refugees. Remember the stink that Germany made over the billions it had to pay for Greek debt? Literally one year later it all did not matter since Germany happily took in shitizens that cost them 100 bio. $/year easily (40 bio. $ that they admit to). So Germany took in obligations that will cost them more than the ENTIRE GREEK DEBT within 4-5 years! Suddenly money was no issue. So essentially Germany could have easily paid the entire principal payments and interest rate payments for Greeks and it would still be cheaper than accepting half the inbred terrorist rapists!

Plus a lot of money that does go into Military spending seem to be siphoned off into various things:
Quote:According to a recent report from Federal News Radio, the Pentagon spent $21 billion on 148 OTAs between 2015 and 2017. This number, obtained via the Pentagon’s public affairs office, is at odds with the $4.2 billion logged by the Federal Procurement Data System. So why does the DoD give two different numbers on OTA spending? Because OTAs are not subject to the regulatory and disclosure guidelines required for most contracts, the Pentagon can get away with not reporting them as procurements—in other words, as part of the grand total.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/...on-budget/


Quote: The Pentagon has buried an internal study that exposed $125 billion in administrative waste in its business operations amid fears Congress would use the findings as an excuse to slash the defense budget, according to interviews and confidential memos obtained by The Washington Post.

Pentagon leaders had requested the study to help make their enormous back-office bureaucracy more efficient and reinvest any savings in combat power. But after the project documented far more wasteful spending than expected, senior defense officials moved swiftly to kill it by discrediting and suppressing the results.

The report, issued in January 2015, identified “a clear path” for the Defense Department to save $125 billion over five years. The plan would not have required layoffs of civil servants or reductions in military personnel. Instead, it would have streamlined the bureaucracy through attrition and early retirements, curtailed high-priced contractors and made better use of information technology.

The study was produced last year by the Defense Business Board, a federal advisory panel of corporate executives, and consultants from McKinsey and Company. Based on reams of personnel and cost data, their report revealed for the first time that the Pentagon was spending almost a quarter of its $580 billion budget on overhead and core business operations such as accounting, human resources, logistics and property management.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investiga...351eed67bc



Conservatives really want to be fiscally conservative but seems that they leave the waste in the military out of the accounting. Likewise waging a far less effective campaign in Syria than Russia with much higher costs.
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(09-17-2018 04:15 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  < Because Western countries are owned by globalist masters who already consider themselves as the Owners of the Planet. What they are doing right now is just consolidating their control. To them it's just a money transfer from their province UK to their province in Pakistan and India.

The underlying machinations are what matters to them to attain their final goal of a Brave New One World Government that they can ultimately steer from afar. The West is just a piggy bank plus on the demographic extermination list since they might rebel against them some day, so they better make sure to make Whites all minorities in their homecountries while preaching compassion, Christian values of inclusion, open borders, individualism, more classical liberalism etc.

Problem is of course that the other side as well as the other Muslim and shitizen groups are not going to be ever classical liberalists.

There is enough money to pay for basic health care in the West - heck - if you allowed more for prevention, then there would be much more, but this is not about money. There is always money for refugees. Remember the stink that Germany made over the billions it had to pay for Greek debt? Literally one year later it all did not matter since Germany happily took in shitizens that cost them 100 bio. $/year easily (40 bio. $ that they admit to). So Germany took in obligations that will cost them more than the ENTIRE GREEK DEBT within 4-5 years! Suddenly money was no issue. So essentially Germany could have easily paid the entire principal payments and interest rate payments for Greeks and it would still be cheaper than accepting half the inbred terrorist rapists!

Plus a lot of money that does go into Military spending seem to be siphoned off into various things:
Quote:According to a recent report from Federal News Radio, the Pentagon spent $21 billion on 148 OTAs between 2015 and 2017. This number, obtained via the Pentagon’s public affairs office, is at odds with the $4.2 billion logged by the Federal Procurement Data System. So why does the DoD give two different numbers on OTA spending? Because OTAs are not subject to the regulatory and disclosure guidelines required for most contracts, the Pentagon can get away with not reporting them as procurements—in other words, as part of the grand total.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/...on-budget/


Quote: The Pentagon has buried an internal study that exposed $125 billion in administrative waste in its business operations amid fears Congress would use the findings as an excuse to slash the defense budget, according to interviews and confidential memos obtained by The Washington Post.

Pentagon leaders had requested the study to help make their enormous back-office bureaucracy more efficient and reinvest any savings in combat power. But after the project documented far more wasteful spending than expected, senior defense officials moved swiftly to kill it by discrediting and suppressing the results.

The report, issued in January 2015, identified “a clear path” for the Defense Department to save $125 billion over five years. The plan would not have required layoffs of civil servants or reductions in military personnel. Instead, it would have streamlined the bureaucracy through attrition and early retirements, curtailed high-priced contractors and made better use of information technology.

The study was produced last year by the Defense Business Board, a federal advisory panel of corporate executives, and consultants from McKinsey and Company. Based on reams of personnel and cost data, their report revealed for the first time that the Pentagon was spending almost a quarter of its $580 billion budget on overhead and core business operations such as accounting, human resources, logistics and property management.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investiga...351eed67bc



Conservatives really want to be fiscally conservative but seems that they leave the waste in the military out of the accounting. Likewise waging a far less effective campaign in Syria than Russia with much higher costs.

That's because they're too busy genuflecting to anything in a U.S. uniform and saying that stupid cliche "Thank you for your service."

I respect the military. I respect the police. But what I DON'T do is fetishize and idealize both these institutions and behave like they can do no wrong.

I see too many conservatives do this. Not the people here (who have good critical thinking skills), but the fat, bloated, middle-aged cuckservative types with high-pitched geeky voices. They're the type you hear on talk radio that call everyone "Gentleman," even cold-blooded killers. Actual example: "Yes, I'd like to address the issue of the gentleman who shot the child in broad daylight in Baltimore City."

Yes, I'm sure he was a real fucking "gentleman." Why don't we think him for his service too?
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< The shadow accounting in the US goes into the trillions. Even during 9/11 they claimed that they lost some 2 trillion $ and no one asked later, because of the big tragedy.

There are entire groups that go into the finances of the US and the numbers don't add up. In addition you have the hundreds of billions of additional income due to the Cocaine Import Agency and their effective control over some cartels. The guarding of the Afghani poppy fields was also not a pro-bono work. What the US does with hundreds of billions or a trillion extra per year?

We don't know for sure, but everyone has guesses of what can be funded by this kind of money - you could have colonies on Mars with that cash by now.
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Lol Cocaine Import Agency..

Not to mention the hundreds of billions if not trillions the DEA seizes in drug busts each year.

If any alien were observing this, he would conclude that the US government is a parasite in the narcotics industry
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