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Red Pill/Alpha fiction
I want to write novels some day (probably in a few years), and I have been reading quite a bit the last couple of years. I have read 29 novels this year and around 20 the year before.

As I become more red pilled, though, I feel I can't relate to a lot of fiction. I am a huge crime fiction fan, and most authors write about characters with a lot of beta/white knight in them. The authors also put women on a massive pedestal.

I am a huge Michael Connelly fan but he is guilty of this. Same as Ian Rankin. I also tried to read some David Baldacci and he seems the same..an absolute worker bee beta.

Shit pisses me off. I do think theres a niche for that when I become skilled enough to write an entire novel (I wrote a draft of a novella last year that I didn't deem good enough to send to an editor).

I wanted to ask those on here if they knew any good Red Pilled fiction. 2 authors I know and like are George Pelicanos and Walter Mosley.

Or is the novel destined to be inundated with soy, like stand-up comedy and movies?

TL DR; know any good red pilled fiction with genuine alpha protagonists?
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Yes, this is a real problem. After you take the red pill it's hard to read some books because you can see the weak man behind the curtains.

Lately the only fiction I've been reading lately that isn't like that is stuff that was translated from Russian. You won't be surprised to learn that a lot of the genre audience goes out of their way to mention how sexist and problematic it is.
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For something different, crack open some of the old Robert E. Howard Conan stories. Howard himself was a unique character and the stories have unusual themes.

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Writing books can be extremely therapeutic. And not as hard as most people say. If you get good ghost writers, you only need a good outline. Or of course, you can do it all yourself. A good whisky helps. I have writen 4 short novella s. None best sellers. Lol. But if you have any questions i would love to help.
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I feel your pain. I used to love Lee Child's novels. I thought Jack Reacher was the perfect hero until I started becoming more red-pilled. Even before his novels deteriorated (last few have been garbage) I started becoming uneasy with all the White Knighting going on by Reacher, as well as the regular inclusion of 'ass-kicking' women who I'm supposed to believe were Reacher's equal in a fight.

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Malone Wrote:Yes, this is a real problem. After you take the red pill it's hard to read some books because you can see the weak man behind the curtains.

Lately the only fiction I've been reading lately that isn't like that is stuff that was translated from Russian. You won't be surprised to learn that a lot of the genre audience goes out of their way to mention how sexist and problematic it is.

Russian novels I've read (Only Dostoyevsky so far) are great. Which ones were you reading?


@Jerset I will check out Robert E. Conan, thanks

Richard Turpin Wrote:I feel your pain. I used to love Lee Child's novels. I thought Jack Reacher was the perfect hero until I started becoming more red-pilled. Even before his novels deteriorated (last few have been garbage) I started becoming uneasy with all the White Knighting going on by Reacher, as well as the regular inclusion of 'ass-kicking' women who I'm supposed to believe were Reacher's equal in a fight.

I feel the exact same way with Michael Connelly's 'Harry Bosch'. Now he's even introduced a feminist main character, complete with short hair and dating 2 guys at a time and all.
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ubertoaster Wrote:Writing books can be extremely therapeutic. And not as hard as most people say. If you get good ghost writers, you only need a good outline. Or of course, you can do it all yourself. A good whisky helps. I have writen 4 short novella s. None best sellers. Lol. But if you have any questions i would love to help.

Thanks a lot, may take you up on that when I manage to get a new idea.

Would be interested in checking your novellas out if they're on Kindle. If you're on this forum, I'm sure they're pretty red pilled
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It's not crime fiction as such, but if you want red-pill you can't go wrong with Wilbur Smith. Start with his first 'When The Lion Feeds'.

Here's what I had to say on an earlier post recently;

Quote:I've posted before about my love of Wilbur Smith novels. Don't make the same mistake I made of thinking that just because he's been an astonishingly successful author for literally decades that he and his books are too 'old' or something to entertain. It's the very opposite I can assure you. You'll find more sex, violence, adventure and general red-pill wisdom in one of his books than you'll find in a dozen modern soyboy author's offerings. As he himself says, with no hint of irony; 'Real men read my books'.

I'm nearly finished his latest book, an autobiography (at last! he's 85) entitled; 'On Leopard Rock: A Life of Adventures'. I'm finding it absolutely fascinating and highly recommend it.

A good way to illustrate how good it is, as ever, is to look at the views of those who aren't as keen. Read this short review by some prick on the internet, particularly the bits I've emboldened to see why this is such a cracking read for today's men;



'The adventurous autobiography of one of the world’s most prolific and popular novelists.

South African novelist Smith (The Tiger’s Prey, 2017, etc.) has sold more than 120 million copies of his books, primarily adventure novels charged with family drama. Some of his work has been shadowed by accusations of racism and misogyny, charges the author seems to simultaneously deny and own up to in this otherwise breezy autobiography. In this chronicle of his life’s exploits, he narrates with the swagger of his heroes Hemingway and H. Rider Haggard. The book is replete with tales of hunting, flying, fishing, and near-death experiences like drinking with Lee Marvin, a star of the 1976 adaptation of Shout at the Devil (1968). The narrative is structured thematically with chapters like “This Hero’s Life,” “The High-Flying Life,” and so on, interlaced with anecdotes about his research and writing process. Smith’s depictions of the realities of apartheid-era Africa can be compelling, but his determined machismo sometimes sours the overall account. “I think one of the worst inventions of our century is political correctness,” writes the author. “It has forced a generation of men to keep their masculinity under wraps, made them too timid to admit their true views about the world.” Worse is his cantankerous scorn of the young: “We are spoiling whole generations of people now. You don’t have to work, you can claim benefits; if you want to write obscenities on the walls and go on the soccer field and swear your head off, you’re a hero.” Fans will appreciate the origins and inspirations of his popular characters, and Smith retains a mischievous sense of humor, but it’s a surprisingly unexciting (to a mangina like you maybe! - Richard Turpin) memoir sporadically laced with notions best left behind.

A good read for his fans; a relic from another age for the rest of us (get fucked, dickhead! - Richard Turpin).'

https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-revie...pard-rock/

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If you like crime fiction, Holmes is the obvious alpha dog. Not only did he lord it over criminals and the Metropolitan Police alike, he was also very Red Pill when it came to women. He considered them inferior creatures. The only one he could really respect was Irene Adler, because he was almost like a man intellectually.
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(09-27-2018 09:41 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  
Malone Wrote:Yes, this is a real problem. After you take the red pill it's hard to read some books because you can see the weak man behind the curtains.

Lately the only fiction I've been reading lately that isn't like that is stuff that was translated from Russian. You won't be surprised to learn that a lot of the genre audience goes out of their way to mention how sexist and problematic it is.

Russian novels I've read (Only Dostoyevsky so far) are great. Which ones were you reading?

Russians basically invented a new genre called LitRPG. Well co-invented it anyway. Basically it's (usually) fantasy, but set in a world that uses game mechanics, stats, etc. There's lots of English-language LitRPG now too, but as you would expect the types that write it are often very soy.

The Russian stuff is generally quite good. This is a decent series:

https://www.amazon.com/Countdown-Reality...B07B6QHC44
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I used my level 99 Autism to dig up this post from Nemencine, a poster from a bygone era.

P.s. Nemencine wrote some gold and newer cats would do well to read some of it.

(07-11-2013 01:59 PM)Nemencine Wrote:  @therapsid.

Good lord! Tolstoy's War and Peace was a bbiiiiigg arse book. You finished that badboy? I give props for that. I couldnt bring myself to finish that stuff. Russians do write the biggest books....it seems.
I like dostoevsky, of course.

I feel the same way you do with regards to reading sequels....i am generally very dis-inclined. with a few exceptions. That is why i never read any the follow up to DUNE.

Speaking of sci fi's......

I like "The stars my destination". by alfred Bester.
(It chronicles the brutal, utterly merciless, raping, vengeful adventure of gully foyle. In a society of competing, ruthless alpha males. with no holds barred. )

"the demolished Man" by alfred bester.
(the story of a completely sociopathic, brilliant alpha male who refused to be bound by the morals of the society.)

"SLAN", "worlds of null-a", "players of null-a", "null-a continuum" "empire of isher" and "weaponshops of isher" all by A.E. van Vogt.
(again, dynamic stories of alpha males in a ruthless game for galactic domination.)

"the golden age" ; "the pheonix exultant", "the golden transcendence" by John C. wright.
(also, alphas males with a very strong conservative/neo-conservative principles and their merciless will to power. Most sci fi tends to have a liberal bent...john c wright is the complete opposite.)

"Ubik" by philip k. dick.
(a pure mind trip)

I guess you can see my pattern and interest here: i like stories that have characters that uses their will, brains and muscles to achieve their goals or die trying. with utter disregard for society constraints.
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Robert E. Howard was a total incel but his Conan stories I particularly like.

Try Joseph Conrad - his descriptive prose is awesome. He was in the places he wrote about, he lived the life first, wrote about it second.
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Read the original Jason Bourne novels by Ludlum. The Jason Bourne character was a downright badass. A man who had to prove himself in the hardest of situations, and got the woman. A classic for a reason. In fact, read all of Ludlum. Great thriller classics.

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Have you ever heard of The Flashman Papers? It's a lot of fun.

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Flashman, George MacDonald Fraser (1969)

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Willeford's first novel "High Priest of California" was published in 1953. This solid debut was followed by such equally excellent novels as "Pick-Up" (this book won a Beacon Fiction Award), "Wild Wives," "The Woman Chaser," "Cockfighter" (this particular book won the Mark Twain Award), and "The Burnt Orange Heresy." Charles achieved his greatest commercial and critical success with four outstanding novels about hapless Florida homicide detective Hoke Moseley: "Miami Blues," "New Hope for the Dead," "Sideswipe," and "The Way We Die Now." Outside of his novels, he also wrote the short story anthology "The Machine in Ward Eleven," the poetry collections "The Outcast Poets" and "Proletarian Laughter," and the nonfiction book "Something About a Soldier."

Willeford attended both Palm Beach Junior College and the University of Miami. He taught a course in humanities at the University of Miami and was an associate professor who taught classes in both philosophy and English at Miami Dade Junior College. Charles was married three times and was an associate editor for "Alfred Hitchcock Mystery Magazine." Three of Willeford's novels have been adapted into movies: Monte Hellman delivered a bleakly fascinating character study with "Cockfighter" (Charles wrote the script and has a sizable supporting role as the referee of a cockfighting tournament which climaxes the picture), George Armitage hit one out of the ballpark with the wonderfully quirky "Miami Blues," and Robinson Devor scored a bull's eye with the offbeat "The Woman Chaser." Charles popped up in a small part as a bartender in the fun redneck car chase romp "Thunder and Lightning." Charles Willeford died of a heart attack at age 69 on March 27, 1988.

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@Prufrock
George Mcdonald Fraser and Charles Willeford look like good recommendations

Thanks a lot
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RE: Red Pill/Alpha fiction
Anyone know any books about cads in the Carribbean or Africa?

I loooove black girls would love some inspiration for my future travels


BTW Nick Krauser has been doing novel reviews on his site for a while. I imagine the novels he reads are pretty red pilled
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Great thread.

I want to find books for my oldest son to read that wont poison his mind and he's at the age where more serious topics enter into the mix.

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I prefer audio books. One I recommend is The Terminal List by Jack Carr and narrated by ray porter.

It’s about an ex navy seal who goes rouge and takes out a liberal government who tried to kill his squad for political reasons.

And of course Point or Impact by Stephen Hunter which is kind of the same storyline.

You may also check out Last of Breed by Louis Lamour. Which is fictional survival story - Indian vs Russian
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I agree with the resurrected post that suggests some sci-fi. I know it isn't everyone's cup of tea, but some of the harder science fiction can be a needed respite from the soyified general fiction that permeates the markets today.

I will second Dune (with the caveat that the Bene Gesserits in the series are basically female demigods - but, that Deus Ex Femina is taken care of at the end of the first book). Another possible criticism is that the books get more and more esoteric as the series progresses to the point that the last two read like catechism guides.

Philip K. Dick is another good author in the genre.

One that hasn't been mentioned that I really think should be is Stanislaw Lem. He wrote some of the weirdest and most interesting science fiction I have ever seen.

The tie that binds all of these authors together is that they focused on subjects that were often totally divorced from our (or their) current reality. This is especially the case with Lem, who frequently wrote about humans interacting with alien entities that were simply beyond their comprehension.


I hate to say it, but much of the contemporary offerings are going to be useless to the RP reader. As we have seen with recent events, authors (even fiction authors, I believe) who write from any serious RP perspective are going to be de-personed. They won't get through the traditional publishing funnel. Even if they are successful with self-publishing, the minute they hit a bit of sales, the platforms will probably dump them.

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(09-27-2018 08:17 AM)Richard Turpin Wrote:  I feel your pain. I used to love Lee Child's novels. I thought Jack Reacher was the perfect hero until I started becoming more red-pilled. Even before his novels deteriorated (last few have been garbage) I started becoming uneasy with all the White Knighting going on by Reacher, as well as the regular inclusion of 'ass-kicking' women who I'm supposed to believe were Reacher's equal in a fight.

I enjoyed them for what they were but I can't take them seriously because the author clearly doesn't know anything about the military. Reacher supposedly made Major in 4 years because he was so awesome...there are mandatory minimum time in service and time in grade requirements for promotions and in the era he was in he'd have been up for Captain at about that time. You can get promoted to Major ahead of your peer group but even then you're looking at 8-9 years minimum.

The author also treats the MPs like they're a cross between the CIA and the Avengers. It's laughable.
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Some of the stories in World War Z are brutal about human nature and are great step to the plate dramas. Its the rare book that is popular and happens to be fantastic as well and a 1:1 adaptation into series would set the world on fire.

“The only rule that ever made sense to me I learned from a history, not an economics, professor at Wharton. "Fear," he used to say, "fear is the most valuable commodity in the universe." That blew me away. "Turn on the TV," he'd say. "What are you seeing? People selling their products? No. People selling the fear of you having to live without their products." Fuckin' A, was he right. Fear of aging, fear of loneliness, fear of poverty, fear of failure. Fear is the most basic emotion we have. Fear is primal. Fear sells.”

“They say great times make great men. I don't buy it. I saw a lot of weakness, a lot of filth. People who should have risen to the challenge and either couldn't or wouldn't. Greed, fear, stupidity and hate. I saw it before the war, I see it today. [...] I don't know if great times make great men, but I know they can kill them.”

“Can you ever "solve" disease, unemployment, war, or any other societal herpes? Hell no. All you can hope for is to make them manageable enough to allow people to get on with their lives. That's not cynicism, that's maturity.”


Lonesome Dove.

Shogun.

There is nothing else you will ever need to read on self improvement, but this, the greatest thread post in history follows in the link below, REQUIRED READING. READ TO END.

Here you go, There is nothing else you will ever need to read on self improvement, but this

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Charles Bukowski was black pilled.

Jack Kerouac was a womanizer and a boozer and it reads throughout most of his works.

My favourite writer is Murakami but he is blue pilled - I just chose to look past those elements of his work and enjoy the plot and prose.
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If you like science fiction, I would recommend Mike Resnick.
He's perhaps not as popular or well-known as other authors, but I really like his stories. Important themes are Africa, imperialism and colonialism.
He certainly received some recognition too:

Quote:Resnick has been nominated for 37 Hugo Awards—a record for writers—and won five times. Except for 1999 and 2003, he has received at least one nomination every year from 1989 through 2012; then, after dropping off the ballot for 2 years, he was nominated again in 2015.

He has won numerous other awards from places as diverse as France, Japan, Spain, Croatia, and Poland. He is first on the Locus list of all-time award winners, living or dead, for short fiction, and 4th on the Locus list of science fiction's all-time top award winners in all fiction categories.

Then there's also this anecdote:

Quote:Resnick was a regular contributor to the SFWA Bulletin published by the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America. In 2013, articles he wrote for the Bulletin with Barry N. Malzberg triggered a controversy about sexism among members of the association. Female authors strongly objected to comments by Resnick and Malzberg such as references to "lady editors" and "lady writers" who were "beauty pageant beautiful" or a "knock out." In the next issue, Malzberg described their critics as "liberal fascists". The Bulletin editor Jean Rabe resigned her post in the course of the controversy, and the magazine was relaunched under new management.

I can recommend these stories specifically:

Kirinyaga (Hugo Award winnner)

Quote:A series of parables about one man's attempt to preserve traditional African culture on a terraformed utopia.

The prologue and eight chapters of the book were each originally sold as a short story. The book and its chapters are among the most honored in science fiction history with
67 awards and nominations including two Hugo awards.

Seven Views of Olduvai Gorge (Hugo Award winner, Nebula Award winner)

The 43 Antarean Dynasties (Hugo Award winner)

Birthright: The Book of Man


If you like horror, there's always good old H.P. Lovecraft.
His style is probably a bit old-fashioned, but his work is hugely influential, despite his critics claiming that he was a sexist, racist and anti-Semite.
(Why do they claim that? Because it's 100% true. Laugh)
Be aware that his work is not red pilled, it's a deep, dark black pill.
It's horror, after all.
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What do folks think of John Ringo and Tom Kratman? Ringo got into a lot of hot water for his novel "Ghost". Kratman is former military and has written some really brutal books, including ones that point out how useless women in the infantry are.

Personally, I'm a huge fan of John Ringo, he is one of the best storytellers in science fiction today. Sometimes his plots are a little weak, be he tells the stories in a very entertaining way.
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RE: Red Pill/Alpha fiction
Ringo is awesome. He's one of the few openly conservative authors. Nick Cole is another one, as is Larry Correia.
09-29-2018 01:09 PM
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