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Colleges are starting to teach "healthy masculinity" (i.e. femininity) courses to men
They are getting more organized and aggressive with teaching femininity to men.

Quote:Garrett Robinson is a senior at Brown University, and a running back for the Brown Bears. Late last month, he co-led a mandatory training for freshman players, but it wasn’t about their skills on the football field.

He taught them about the dangers of being domineering off the field, that it’s OK to ask for help, and to watch the locker room talk.

Robinson is a peer educator in the Masculinity 101 program at Brown, which aims to help men lead healthier lives by addressing harmful norms of masculinity.


He has led similar workshops in the past, but this year was different.

“There were a few sarcastic responses playing into stereotypes of what you’d expect around this topic,” Robinson said, “but mostly, people were more engaged and understood it was serious.”

Brown’s program is part of a growing trend on campuses to address “toxic masculinity,” a term generally defined as elements of masculinity that encourage dominance and prevent men from showing emotion.

Some experts identify this as a root cause of #MeToo issues. They say it can lead to self-detrimental, sexist and sometimes violent behavior, including sexual assault.

The behavior and attitudes of young men at educational institutions is under particular scrutiny as prospective Supreme Court justice Brett Kavanaugh faces accusations of sexual impropriety dating back to his high school years.

Neil Irvin is the executive director of Men Can Stop Rape, a non-profit that runs training for men, including on college campuses, on stopping sexual assault. He said it’s crucial that men break down harmful norms of masculinity.

“For some men, they think if they’re not raping anyone, that’s enough. But we’ve seen that it’s not. We need to train men on healthy masculinity at a young age,” Irwin said.

When Robinson was a freshman at Brown, he attended a masculinity workshop for football players as part of a new effort there to unlearn toxic masculinity.

He was shocked by what he heard.

“Football is a very masculine sport,” Robinson said. “So to hear things that I accepted as normal being challenged, like players insulting each other by saying they ‘play like a girl,’ made me want to get involved.”

The masculinity program is led by Marc Peters, assistant director for campus engagement and community dialogue, whom the university brought on in 2014 to address masculinity issues.

Peters explains to men that treating others well starts in small ways, like how they talk, and that it’s worth doing for their own growth and relationships, not just to benefit others.

His message spoke to Robinson, who quickly got involved with the program as a peer educator.

In 2016, the masculinity program significantly expanded. Guided by Peters, Robinson and a few other students created a curriculum, Pedagogy Against the Patriarchy, to expand and codify their work in order to educate other men’s groups outside of football.

The demand for trainings grew last spring, moving beyond sports teams to other men’s groups, like men’s acapella and Ultimate Frisbee, but also to co-ed groups.

Kiana Phillips, a residential peer leader on campus, brought peer masculinity educators to her dorm to co-lead a training for men and women after she noticed some men being domineering and disrespectful to women, particularly one man touching a female student in unwelcome ways.

“Brown is a progressive school, but not everyone here is active in the conversation”
“The workshop had us grapple with, do you ever have to think about walking safely at night, being interrupted, what you should wear to be taken seriously,” Phillips said. “It helped men understand privilege, and the women in the room could give feedback”

Phillips said she noticed improved behavior from men afterward, but the man who had touched the female student didn’t attend. “Brown is a progressive school, but not everyone here is active in the conversation,” she said.

At University of Wisconsin-Madison, such peer trainings are run by men and women. Their program, Men Against Sexual Assault, is run by a woman, Colleen Whitley, a senior at the school and a survivor of sexual assault.

“It’s really important to have both men and women lead training,” Whitley said. “Men need to hear different perspectives. All women have experienced toxic masculinity, whether assault or microaggressions.”

She said her group’s sessions focus on survivor support, but also discuss the root causes.

“We look at how toxic masculinity contributes to sexual assault,” Whitley said. “We also look at the continuum of harm, like pornography, which is often violent toward women, or just whistling at a woman on the street,” she said.

She said that since #MeToo emerged, she’s noticed more interest in the conversation, but also more fear from men, something Peters, the Brown administrator, also reports.

“More men are interested in learning what constitutes sexual assault and what toxic behavior looks like,” Whitley said. “But there is confusion and anxiety for men about the ‘sudden’ attention to these issues when in reality this movement is not new.”

While the term “toxic masculinity” is largely uncontroversial at liberal schools, it can still be quite polarizing, particularly in right-wing or religious communities who may see it as a threat to traditional gender roles.

Biola University, an evangelical Christian school in southern California, which made headlines last year for their dubious treatment of transgender students, held its first ever event discussing toxic masculinity last spring.

Jordan Lansbury, a residence hall director there, was one of two organizers who planned and produced the event. He said that the #MeToo movement helped open up support for the conversation, which wound up being the most well attended event during their sexual assault awareness month.

“We made the point that men have to be kind and compassionate, and we cite examples of Jesus behaving this way,” Lansbury said. “It’s against Christian values for men to abuse their power, physically or culturally.”

After the event, students wrote down what they learned on cards. Lansbury relayed some of the messages:

“There is no reason for a woman to be less of a person.”

“It was really helpful to think about the lack of hesitancy Jesus had in speaking to the woman at the well.”

“I learned that the idea of “being a man” is made up.”

Lansbury said he’s encouraged by the response to the event and sees no reason why religious schools can’t address these issues.

“The conversation will continue,” he said. “The #MeToo movement has made it impossible to ignore.”

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The fact that men seem to be receptive to women telling them what a man should be like is probably a sign that they were already soyified before taking such a course.

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This is the same old story... institutions trying to control our nature.

The church used to do it, now it’s the schools, government etc.

It always fails, nature always wins, and nothing ever changes. You simply cannot supress or rewire natural urges, unless you traumatize children into dissociation.

Don’t worry Roosh, their attempts will fail. A biologically masculine man is immune to being controlled and actually rebels in opposite direction. The betas that will listen to this training were already tame to begin with.
10-08-2018 05:39 PM
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(10-08-2018 05:39 PM)Flux Wrote:  This is the same old story... institutions trying to control our nature.

The church used to do it, now it’s the schools, government etc.

It always fails, nature always wins, and nothing ever changes. You simply cannot supress or rewire natural urges, unless you traumatize children into dissociation.

Don’t worry Roosh, their attempts will fail. A biologically masculine man is immune to being controlled and actually rebels in opposite direction. The betas that will listen to this training were already tame to begin with.

Don't be so sure. With the constant bombardment from childhood using the media, mis-education, legal system, malnutrition etc, they are breeding "masculine men" out of the gene pool.

According to that KGB psy-op guy, it only takes 20 years to influence a whole generation from childhood and then it only snowballs from there.
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^^Unfortunately I have to disagree with you! Once an idea in the mind is accepted, and fortified by the society around you... it's Set-Match-Point! The Key word here is accepted! That's the Reason the Red Pill is hard to swallow; It's not impossible, but extremely difficult to change your entire belief system about " Toxic Masculinity" once you've accepted it!

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Well, that looks like the beginning of the end for Brown University.

I also expect the entire area around Brown University, plus the campus become a completely crime ridden area as the men are indoctrinated into this new program.
10-08-2018 06:27 PM
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Green shoots in opposition:

A benefactor sponsored the creation of a "western civilisation" course, which has the left up in arms.

https://www.newcastle.edu.au/course/PHIL1080

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-ne...ion-degree


King wrote that Abbott’s article suggested the course would “pursue a narrow, radically conservative program to demonstrate and promulgate the alleged superiority of western culture and civilisation”.
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Are they making equal efforts to address "Toxic Femininity"? I've got a more sophisticated and egalitarian course.


Quote:Last month Robin Realtalk led a mandatory training session for all freshman members of the women's volleyball and gymnastics teams, as well as all pledges for local sororities. However it had nothing to do with their skills on the field, it was about abusing the power they held on campus with the ugly practices of Toxic Femininity"


"You know us gals have a natural tendency towards gossip and cruelty, what have YOU done to shut your mouth about someone today?"

"Did you know that over 99% of false accusations of sexual abuse come from women? I'm here to tell you "Stop making false rape allegations today!" "Real women don't fake rape!".

To further address this epidemic, later this afternoon we're going do case study on the Brian Banks case, followed by a brief lecture on "Seven Signs of a False Accuser". Then we're going to do a march in cleats and football helmets to raise awareness on fake accusations against athletes. We encourage everyone to personally apologize for what you might do to every athletic looking man you encounter on this march. Remember, only you can stop fake rape, and your future children are depending on you."

“For some women, they think if they’re not making false rape accusations, that’s enough. But we’ve seen that it’s not. We need to train women on healthy femininity at a young age,”

“The workshop had us grapple with, do you ever have to think about walking around safely the same way men do, people who face the overwhelming number of violent assaults and murders in this country, about being interrupted, with a right hook to the jaw, if you ever say something that pisses off someone tougher than you for the for the first 25 years of you life? How it feels to have scope the room, and ask yourself "Can I take him? And what about him?" every time you think of opening your mouth? How much harder you're going to have to work to be taken seriously, when you don't get handed jobs just because you look presentable and don't have an eating disorder?" It helped women understand privilege, and the men in the room could give feedback

"“Women need to hear different perspectives. All men have experienced toxic femininity, whether by the proliferation of active hate groups on campus (like Women's Studies) or microaggressions. Actually, statistically for men, it's just straight up aggression they face, people don't even attempt to hide it."

"While the term “toxic masculinity” is largely uncontroversial at bigoted schools, it can still be quite polarizing, particularly in communities that value logic, common sense, and may see it as a threat to the basic freedoms enshrined in our Constitution."

[When speaking at a religious college] “We made the point that EVERYONE, not just men, have to be kind and compassionate, and we cite examples of Jesus behaving this way,” Lansbury said. “It’s against Christian values for ANYONE to abuse their power, physically or culturally, and we couldn't shirk our duties while depending on men to shoulder them for us to build a civil society. We also addressed one of the 10 Commandments that was clearly aimed at curbing Toxic Femininity "Though shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor". It led us into a discussion of the Salem Witch trials, where a small number of toxic females cause so tortures and death with false accusations. "

After the event, students wrote down what they learned on cards. Robin Realtalk relayed some of the messages:

“Regardless of what I was taught in Gender studies class (ans most of my other classes as well for some reason) there is no reason for a man to be less of a person.”

“I learned that the idea of “being a man” was one of the backbones of civilization, and if it had not been devised, we would still be living like packs of baboons in the darkness, the strong taking from the weak, and nonstop rape instead of the noble institution of marriage and fathers protecting and guiding their families.
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Luckily I didn't post this on Twitter, where software (intentionally written to be bigoted, believe it or not) will automatically ban you for hate speech if you switch the same words to someone lower on the cultural marxism scale. I wish I were joking, I really do.
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Quote:“Brown is a progressive school, but not everyone here is active in the conversation”
“The workshop had us grapple with, do you ever have to think about walking safely at night, being interrupted, what you should wear to be taken seriously,” Phillips said. “It helped men understand privilege, and the women in the room could give feedback”

There's tons of places where men and women feel unsafe at night.

Men interrupt each other all the time.

'What you wear being taken seriously'? Maybe if you want people to respect your fashion you should ditch the flip flops and dirty track pants and try catching a shower before you leave the house.. As a dreaded cis white male, all I ask is a little effort and if a man is hating on a girl's fashion, chances are either she showed up to the date unshowered in flip flops and track pants (while he wore a blazer and loafers) or he studies theater and has Broadway dreams.

I look forward to Brown's counterpart workshop teaching women to grapple with "getting something you didn't earn because someone wants to fuck you (and you don't even need to do it!), having an easier time finding work because companies are mandated by law to have X amount of women employed or facing zero consequences for ruining someone's life with a lie."

I'd said a few years ago that at the rate the value of a university degree is depreciating that if I had a son I would send him to uni to first learn how to deal with women and then study...now I'm not even sure of that.
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Searching around for info on Colleen Whitley, I found this account of "Sexual Assault". This is what passes for sexual assault. This account can ruin a man's life and get him kicked out of school. Notice she takes no responsibility for remaining connected with someone she claims was mentally and physically abusive.


Quote:An ex-boyfriend sexually assaulted UW junior Nancy* after she went to his home in search of a place to stay late at night. She had been with him for three months, during which he had been physically and verbally abusive. After she decided to put a stop to it, they remained friends.

So she's friends with a former boyfriend who abused her and goes over to his house at night looking for a hookup "place to stay".

Quote:Nancy tried to stop the perpetrator, but he did not listen to her until five minutes after he began assaulting her. Despite knowing about sexual assault, she said she “blanked out” when he started assaulting her. After the incident, she said he pretended like “nothing had happened.”

He tries something and she "blanks out" but when she finally protests, he quits.

Quote:Following the incident, Nancy said she went into depression, had dreams involving sexual assault and rape and began attending therapy. She did not categorize the incident as sexual assault until her therapist helped her come to that realization.

Her therapist, no doubt a hardened feminist, convinced her she was assaulted.

And now this girl is a lost cause. Any man who takes a chance with dating her is jeopardizing his future.

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Quote:“We made the point that men have to be kind and compassionate, and we cite examples of Jesus behaving this way,” Lansbury said. “It’s against Christian values for men to abuse their power, physically or culturally.”

A. The Christian view of men is that they are to be dominant and lead women.
B. I wonder if they cited examples of the Christian view of how women are to behave. If they did, it was something like, "It's the Christian view that women are to be strong, independent leaders who resist Trump and own their sexuality. ROAR!"
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It’s best that they keep pushing this garbage as hard and fast as they can to keep generating counterreactions by normies. Some places and people are lost causes (California, Britain, Sweden, Germany) but others haven given me heart (Trump here, Salvini in Italy, Orban in Hungary, Bolsonaro in Brazil, etc)
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I'm not surprised that Garrett Robinson went to Harvard-Westlake, that $50,000-a-year private school in LA.

I'm also not surprised that Rhode Island massacred Robinson's Bears 48-0 on Sunday.

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(10-09-2018 04:52 AM)Extinguished Light Wrote:  It’s best that they keep pushing this garbage as hard and fast as they can to keep generating counterreactions by normies. Some places and people are lost causes (California, Britain, Sweden, Germany) but others haven given me heart (Trump here, Salvini in Italy, Orban in Hungary, Bolsonaro in Brazil, etc)

Exactly. If I had the power and wanted to put a swift end to this I would employ deep covert operatives to push this shirt as fast as hard as possible.

It's like the old fable of the frog in boiling water.

You could stop this by ratcheting it up to be so repulsive that 75% of the population wouldn't be able to support it.

I think this is a big reason I became opposed to leftist politics early on in university. They had a gay slam poet give a 'performance' for the class as we were forced to listen to it.

That might have been the boiling water moment for me and pushed me far to the right of the political spectrum.

This is another reason I detest people who follow this mantra of being "fiscally conservative but socially liberal" because you hate paying taxes but want to shirk the responsibility for stewarding society.

Anyone who would go along with a healthy masculinity course is already gone anyway.

If a man cucks on his masculinity there's no soul left in him anyway.
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Quote: “The workshop had us grapple with, do you ever have to think about walking safely at night, being interrupted, what you should wear to be taken seriously,” Phillips said.

One exceptional sad thing.... I looked up Philips, she's black, and she STILL does't grasp the concept the a male might feel unsafe walking around at night. How many murderers would it take?
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I'm just going to keep reposting the same idea in all of these university threads. Don't send your kids to college. If you are young enough to be considering it, avoid it. There are very specific and, honestly, very good reasons to pursue higher education. Just to go, for the experience, to find yourself, etc. Those are not the reasons.

The data on college-educated vs. high school/GED lifetime earnings are aggregate and historical (because they obviously have to be). They fail to take in to account several variables that are currently germane to this argument. The ever-decreasing labor force participation rates (the real rates - not just official government unemployment). The rising cost of higher education combined with stagnating wages for many. Automation. Offshoring. I could go on.

Don't send your kids to college. Consider other options. This is coming from a guy who spent nine years as a student and over a decade working in academia.

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