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(08-06-2019 06:20 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  [Image: EBTiDCuXsAApdOp.jpg:small]

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(08-06-2019 05:32 PM)puckerman Wrote:  Here is the latest from Anthony Johnson. How does he expect to keep people when he keeps posting shit like this?

https://www.facebook.com/the21convention...=3&theater

I can't seem to get the image to post here.

Also, the latest edition of the Red Man Group is full of audio issues. It also features a bitch boy named Richard Nikoley. The guy is incapable of any debate with anybody. He just throws out personal attacks. The fact that this guy has been on the agenda is reason enough not to attend.





Also significant about this video is that Anthony mentions that he is "an Objectivist." This is very significant. Lots of them talk big and play small. I am wondering if Anthony is just like the rest of them.

Reminds me of the quote, "Small minds discuss people; average minds discuss events; great minds discuss ideas."

So much cringey name-dropping and logrolling with little actual content.

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Anthony also comes across as a confused millineal who doesn't know how to express assertiveness and competitiveness.

Last year he basically sung the praises of Rollo and worshipped at his alter, saying that Rollo single handedly revived him after his divorce, and helped get 21 Convention back on track.

Now it's like a boy rebelling against his dad after being let down by him. Pretty pathetic.

No wonder boomers don't think much of us (I am the same age as Anthony).
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(08-06-2019 09:22 PM)puckerman Wrote:  Now this all makes sense. Anthony spent all this time moping over his ex-wife, calling her "Medusa." Now he can spend all his time moping over Rollo. I guess he'll have to find someone else to screw him over so that he can move on from how Rollo has screwed him. Anthony really is acting like a jilted lover here. Did he have some kind of man crush on Rollo?

Kind of. I don't know anything about how he was brought up, but I'm guessing it was a life where his natural dad wasn't around (or was not allowed to be around) much. Little guy probably lost a substitute father figure(s) when Rollo and Rich Cooper bailed on him after not agreeing to do things his way or the highway, so now he's acting like the pissed off teenager/jilted lover. He wasn't mature enough to understand their point of view and he just had to be the little emperor, or fuck everyone else.

Given the headlines lately, the part about him going on a shooting spree isn't even funny. But it's no small coincidence that a very large percentage of the mass shootings in the US were perpetrated by guys who grew up in houses without the biological father present.

I had drinks recently with a friend who grew up mostly without his dad and never had a great relationship with him during the short time when he was alive. Since college he's worked in corporate America and always had problems with bosses but somehow managed to keep finding jobs to sustain himself - barely. But the tenures at each job got shorter and shorter as the attitude worked its way in. Now he's got to be almost 47, and recently turned down a great career opportunity in another corporation because he refuses to wear a tie to work or have to report to an office every day.

In my opinion at almost fifty years old he's lucky to have an offer like that at all. His current employment situation allowing him to work from home won't last forever, but there's no amount of logic that'll get through to him. I suspect those close to ADJ have tried similar conversations and got nowhere - can't imagine their frustrations.

I'm not sure ADJ is really over the ex-prostitute wife either, and it carries over into his other relationships. Ironically, one attendee at 21 convention - Shawn Smith - could probably help ADJ if he'd only stop long enough to listen. For those who don't know, Shawn Smith is a licensed psychologist who wrote The Tactical Guide to Women. It's a great read, but ADJ either didn't read it or did and immediately forgot the lessons therein.

ADJ, if you're reading this thread - and I know eventually your ego won't allow you not to - get some help.

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Rollo alpha widowed Anthony.

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I don't know Anthony that well. I had a situation back in 1996 that really red-pilled me. I felt like a jilted lover. I felt like a woman had misled and deceived me. I had a bunch of unrealistic expectations and then had them crash.

The hardest part was the question: Why?

I don't know Rollo either. If Rollo did do this, why did he do it?

One of the hardest things to accept is that there are some questions that will just never be answered. It's like having a best friend disappear. You don't know if your best friend is alive or dead. Unfortunately, there are just some questions that you won't find an answer to.
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Saw this retweet by Stefan Molyneux. This can't be real.
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I got my heart broken about three years ago, and as a consequence of that found the red pill on the red pill subreddit. Rollo's work was the primary ressource for this journey, and I would still recommend his work, but I moved on, especially since I found this forum.

I also watched about 20 - 30 episodes of the RedMan Group, mainly because of Rollo and Rich Cooper. I never liked Anthony that much. He never had anything to contribute to the discussion, and his story was just odd. How is your wife a prostitute for several years and you don´t recognize it? Where did he think she was going when she was "servicing" her clients? Also seeing Rollo in person never helped his message, with his stupid hat and gay amulet.

At some point, I had extracted all the knowledge from them, and when they started to repeat themselves every show I moved on, but this situation is just disgraceful. Makes me really cringe thinking back at the start of my journey when I was adoring these guys and told my friends about them and the Red Pill.

Luckily, through Rollo mentioning Roosh, I started checking him out and also discovered this great place. But it was a good lesson for me to stop blindly following internet personalities like the RedMan Group or JP.
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(08-17-2019 02:14 AM)Sankt Michael Wrote:  At some point, I had extracted all the knowledge from them, and when they started to repeat themselves every show I moved on, but this situation is just disgraceful. Makes me really cringe thinking back at the start of my journey when I was adoring these guys and told my friends about them and the Red Pill.

This is the reason I don't watch podcasts and stuff like that anymore. I might visit R/TRP once a month as a refresher but it comes to a point that you can only watch so many videos and read so many threads until you have to put something in action and the redpill does not require constant 24/7 reading once you learn the basic principles. At some point you have to actually hold your frame and just go out there and leave the self help trap. Good on you.
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(08-17-2019 12:08 PM)Zenta Wrote:  
(08-17-2019 02:14 AM)Sankt Michael Wrote:  At some point, I had extracted all the knowledge from them, and when they started to repeat themselves every show I moved on, but this situation is just disgraceful. Makes me really cringe thinking back at the start of my journey when I was adoring these guys and told my friends about them and the Red Pill.

This is the reason I don't watch podcasts and stuff like that anymore. I might visit R/TRP once a month as a refresher but it comes to a point that you can only watch so many videos and read so many threads until you have to put something in action and the redpill does not require constant 24/7 reading once you learn the basic principles. At some point you have to actually hold your frame and just go out there and leave the self help trap. Good on you.

Great point. I think a lot of guys get stuck in the manosphere this way. My whole philosophy is take the info, apply it to your life, and move on. As I've gotten a little older I don't visit a lot of sites and blogs that I used to. Also the whole 21Con fiasco has shown that a lot of the "thought leaders" in this space are in it for internet fame and profit. I've stuck around here because it's a great community and I can always find great insight and interesting perspective on current events, women, etc.
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(08-17-2019 12:08 PM)Zenta Wrote:  
(08-17-2019 02:14 AM)Sankt Michael Wrote:  At some point, I had extracted all the knowledge from them, and when they started to repeat themselves every show I moved on, but this situation is just disgraceful. Makes me really cringe thinking back at the start of my journey when I was adoring these guys and told my friends about them and the Red Pill.

This is the reason I don't watch podcasts and stuff like that anymore. I might visit R/TRP once a month as a refresher but it comes to a point that you can only watch so many videos and read so many threads until you have to put something in action and the redpill does not require constant 24/7 reading once you learn the basic principles. At some point you have to actually hold your frame and just go out there and leave the self help trap. Good on you.

One of the things I've learned from watching politicians and these sales people (which is who JP, Stefan, and 21 Con people are), is that the key to success is to repeat yourself.

Fact is, most people are a bit slow, or busy, or distracted, or a combination of all 3. End result is that to make it as a personality of any type, you need to say the exact same message over and over. Literally all Trump did, for example, was go around the country stating the exact same speech with slight variations. I studied his 2016 performance and the only parts of his speech he would change were parts for each region of the country.

Likewise, there comes a point where listening to a man repeat himself will not enable further growth or development, and he must move on. Some people never hit this stage and get obsessed with personalities, and they are limiting themselves by not seeking new knowledge.

This forum is great for growth because repetition is low.

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I was about to say the above and give an example, Samseau beat me to it with even more examples and analysis. Do you know where else you see this to an unbelievable degree? Sports talk, particularly that associated with radio or in a radio/TV setting. I don't watch him much anymore, but Colin Cowherd used to say the same shit for 3 full hours of a show. I really like Clay Travis but he makes it a point to repeat the same line over and over, frequently back to back sentences of exactly the same thing. I was starting to wonder if it was a tic, or just filler (I need time to think up my next point?).

Deep points take a while to sink in via mental processing and integration, but these are styles of deliberate communication and usually they are (as with Trump) akin to entertainment.

It's actually phenomenal fodder for impressions, which is the only reason I might like it --- easy to make fun of.

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Some of the best guys from the Red Man Group went with Rollo over to Rule Zero. There isn't much left with the Red Man Group.
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(08-17-2019 12:46 PM)BlastbeatCasanova Wrote:  
(08-17-2019 12:08 PM)Zenta Wrote:  
(08-17-2019 02:14 AM)Sankt Michael Wrote:  At some point, I had extracted all the knowledge from them, and when they started to repeat themselves every show I moved on, but this situation is just disgraceful. Makes me really cringe thinking back at the start of my journey when I was adoring these guys and told my friends about them and the Red Pill.

This is the reason I don't watch podcasts and stuff like that anymore. I might visit R/TRP once a month as a refresher but it comes to a point that you can only watch so many videos and read so many threads until you have to put something in action and the redpill does not require constant 24/7 reading once you learn the basic principles. At some point you have to actually hold your frame and just go out there and leave the self help trap. Good on you.

Great point. I think a lot of guys get stuck in the manosphere this way. My whole philosophy is take the info, apply it to your life, and move on. As I've gotten a little older I don't visit a lot of sites and blogs that I used to. Also the whole 21Con fiasco has shown that a lot of the "thought leaders" in this space are in it for internet fame and profit. I've stuck around here because it's a great community and I can always find great insight and interesting perspective on current events, women, etc.

Yeah experienced that myself. I was consuming RP Stuff for entertainment thinking I was the shit. But out in the field, I was always breaking frame and being a beta bitch. Took some time and introspection before I realized that I was mainly reading all these blogs and watching the videos because I get really entertained by it. Since I started implementing the teachings into my life with real discipline, I got results.

(08-21-2019 12:47 AM)puckerman Wrote:  Some of the best guys from the Red Man Group went with Rollo over to Rule Zero. There isn't much left with the Red Man Group.

Good to know. Rian Stone is funny, and Black Label Logic has good insights.
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I just found out about this dude Andrew Tate and he has to be the biggest fraud I've ever seen in this space. Selling body language course for $400 and courses for teaching dudes how to pimp out girls for a webcamming biz. Gimme a break. Does anyone know more about him?
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They just announced a deal that you can bring a friend for free

https://mobile.twitter.com/beachmuscles/...1785443329

Not sure if they’re trying to make it huge or if they’re actually struggling attendance-wise or what.
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(09-11-2019 01:00 PM)BlastbeatCasanova Wrote:  They just announced a deal that you can bring a friend for free

https://mobile.twitter.com/beachmuscles/...1785443329

Not sure if they’re trying to make it huge or if they’re actually struggling attendance-wise or what.

Obviously this is the case. They guys were charging thousands at first, what a laughable joke!

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(09-11-2019 01:00 PM)BlastbeatCasanova Wrote:  They just announced a deal that you can bring a friend for free

https://mobile.twitter.com/beachmuscles/...1785443329

Not sure if they’re trying to make it huge or if they’re actually struggling attendance-wise or what.

Looks like he undersold what he was expecting. He can't cut the price much because then people who already bought a ticket would be upset. This action is to give the appearance that the event is a success to those who already bought a ticket.

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(09-11-2019 01:00 PM)BlastbeatCasanova Wrote:  They just announced a deal that you can bring a friend for free

https://mobile.twitter.com/beachmuscles/...1785443329

Not sure if they’re trying to make it huge or if they’re actually struggling attendance-wise or what.

Interesting marketing ploy. I checked out their website's tickets information about the "bring a friend for free". But their wordy marketing slogans are amusing to read.

Quote:FANS ARE CALLING IT…THE WOODSTOCK OF THE MANOSPHERE

The 21 Convention returns home to our founding city of Orlando, Florida, celebrating #21CON for the 18th time.

EXPERIENCE a miraculous four day (and night) event with iconic speakers gathered from the worldwide manosphere movement.

Brought together to create positive media for men, keep masculinity 100% bad ass, and to help supercharge your growth on the path to becoming your very own ideal man.

Brought to you by legendary manosphere event architect Anthony Dream Johnson and 21 Studios.

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WHAT’S INCLUDED WITH MY TICKET?
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Edit. I skimmed Anthony Johnson's latest twitter page. It's very toxic and negative.
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(09-11-2019 02:19 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  Edit. I skimmed Anthony Johnson's latest twitter page. It's very toxic and negative.

The weird thing is he is getting almost zero interaction on them. It's like he's talking to himself.


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The real Manosphere is the writings of the Church Fathers. Once you start reading them I promise you'll lose all interest in the bickering and nonsense of various internet personalities.

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No problem with that being said I would like to buy the tickets for the first time in decades and I will be there with an old friend.

Just kidding. I was bored and I decided to try and write that last sentence using only a series of the three words autosuggested by my phone.

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(09-10-2019 11:59 PM)joseph15 Wrote:  I just found out about this dude Andrew Tate and he has to be the biggest fraud I've ever seen in this space. Selling body language course for $400 and courses for teaching dudes how to pimp out girls for a webcamming biz. Gimme a break. Does anyone know more about him?

He is tough guy, former ISKA kickboxing world champion, who now makes his money from webcam girls, selling seats in his academy for 2k (war room) to dorks who have nothing better to do, seems they discuss crypto investment and other kind of networking.

Nothing against him, he writes some really hard truths on twitter, but his businesses seem a bit shady to me.

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(09-11-2019 11:35 PM)Rocha Wrote:  
(09-10-2019 11:59 PM)joseph15 Wrote:  I just found out about this dude Andrew Tate and he has to be the biggest fraud I've ever seen in this space. Selling body language course for $400 and courses for teaching dudes how to pimp out girls for a webcamming biz. Gimme a break. Does anyone know more about him?

He is tough guy, former ISKA kickboxing world champion, who now makes his money from webcam girls, selling seats in his academy for 2k (war room) to dorks who have nothing better to do, seems they discuss crypto investment and other kind of networking.

Nothing against him, he writes some really hard truths on twitter, but his businesses seem a bit shady to me.

I wouldn't deny that he's a tough guy, or even that he's a smart guy - he's clearly doing well for himself. But I have absolutely no respect for guys who sell courses on how to get rich with crypto, how to pimp out dirt poor girls for a webcam biz, or courses for body language, whatever that means.

It all looks 10X worse when he consistently calls those dorks who come to his war room his "friends" or "brothers" yet he charges them $2,000 just to get in the room
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(09-11-2019 04:36 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  The real Manosphere is the writings of the Church Fathers. Once you start reading them I promise you'll lose all interest in the bickering and nonsense of various internet personalities.

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