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(06-08-2019 03:46 PM)loremipsum Wrote:  How am I to take Rational Male books seriously if the writer is so thirsty he's willing to sabotage a mens movement for a woman?
It's all nice and dandy words but what fruits did the tree produce.

And he's married too. Ha!
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(06-08-2019 04:25 PM)Kish Wrote:  
(06-08-2019 03:46 PM)loremipsum Wrote:  How am I to take Rational Male books seriously if the writer is so thirsty he's willing to sabotage a mens movement for a woman?
It's all nice and dandy words but what fruits did the tree produce.

And he's married too. Ha!

I was told he's divorced, but I don't know if that's accurate.

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Rolo was angry that I wasn't getting attacked more for my conversion. Anthony responded by saying I would commit suicide within 2 years. Why are they gossiping about me? So weird.

   

I wonder what Anthony says about the speakers at 21con behind their backs. He seems to like gossiping.

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(06-03-2019 07:47 PM)armenia4ever Wrote:  I dont want to dogpile on him and I have nothing negative to say about him, but the 200k subs is definitely misleading. All of those videos barely have any views. That means a very small active amount of those subscribers actually watch the content.

Basically fake paid for subs. It reminds me of "fake it to you make it confidence" newbies are advised when first discovering game.

That's a red flag and someone who has to buy influence should raise alot of red flags considering how much money hes charging.

Had to check that out, (link). That's averaging 1-2k views per video with 200k subs. It's the like men who counted visiting ladies of the night as their notch count.
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All of these conventions fail eventually.

Its because the people involved are driven by some combination of fame, power or money rather than "helping fellow men" which is the flag they fly.

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I mentioned to Aurini a couple of weeks ago that RVF is weird because it simultaneously has the most amount of truth and most amount of people who need it in one place.
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(06-08-2019 04:46 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Rolo was angry that I wasn't getting attacked more for my conversion. Anthony responded by saying I would commit suicide within 2 years. Why are they gossiping about me? So weird.

Hm... my own conversion was during GamerGate - pretty much the end of my online "influence" (or empire of dirt). I wonder now if the two were more correlated than I thought? Behind-the-scenes hatred?

That video of them pulling up to the event in Teslas looks very pompous to me.

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(06-08-2019 03:32 PM)Roosh Wrote:  The reason for Rollo's dismissal has surfaced:


He invited New York Times reporter Nellie Bowles to a private 21CON event even though he was told not to, putting everyone's identity at risk, presumably because he wanted media attention for himself or to bang the reporter, who has a Jewish physiognomy.

In other words, he put his entire standing in the manosphere on the line for this woman:

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When Hotep Jesus backed up Rollo, he said the whole thing was over a woman.

I was assuming Rollo had hit on someone's girlfriend or an usherette or something like that.

Not furthering the career of a menschette.

Very disappointing.

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At least "Free Bird" is playing in the background.

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I have much respect for Rollo, who, like Roosh, is one of the 3 R's of the manosphere. Rollo's writings on intersexual dynamics are unparalleled. However, his attire is not fitting for a man of his age. It shows lack of calibration and gravitas. That gives me pause. It seems that he has drunk his own Kool-Aid and is attempting to take over the terms and gestalt of the 21 convention. The fall-out was inevitable.

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Betraying your friends to impress a woman..Pretty sure that's "beta game", Rollo.
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(06-08-2019 06:07 PM)Aurini Wrote:  
(06-08-2019 04:46 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Rolo was angry that I wasn't getting attacked more for my conversion. Anthony responded by saying I would commit suicide within 2 years. Why are they gossiping about me? So weird.

Hm... my own conversion was during GamerGate - pretty much the end of my online "influence" (or empire of dirt). I wonder now if the two were more correlated than I thought? Behind-the-scenes hatred?

That video of them pulling up to the event in Teslas looks very pompous to me.

Well, at least we know why they charge stupid amounts of money for this convention. Those Teslas and Ferraris aren't cheap to rent you know.

And yeah Rollo dresses like the douchebag that he is. If I'm paying $2500.00 to watch him speak, the least he could do is wear a suit or something presentable rather than looking like he rolled out of bed with his pajamas and threw on that tuque to hide his bed head.

More and more, a lot of these dudes are being exposed as the frauds that they are. A big reason that the manosphere is crashing and burning.
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The kosher chick is plain but I suppose we've all known a few girls whose capacity for seduction far outweighed their looks. I knew several who destroyed male social circles like a runaway freight train had just barrelled through their clubhouse but if I showed you a picture of them you'd shrug your shoulders and wonder what the fuss was about.

Better looking girls than them were treated with less regard.

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When faced with a tough decision, I often ask myself:

"What would Trump do?"

In this case, the answer is NOT to release a 15 page testimony about another man's actions.

What a bunch of crybabies, bad look for everyone.

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Super spooky 5th level dark triad underlord material here

I heard he also frequents Hot Topic

The only "Dark Triad" Jack Donovan indulges in is Dick, Balls and Asshole.
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Is there any actual proof Rollo did that? Nothing in the video seems to show Rollo leading her there? Or am I not seeing something? Even then, why did ADJ sit on his ass for more than 6 months and not do anything? He had no problem using Rollo's name and face to sell tickets to 2019 21 Convention, well after this happened in Oct 2018 ? Even if Rollo had something to do with the reporter being there I think Anthony is just using it as a cover up for the real reason, which is Rollo likely being critical against some of the 21 Con speakers that are obviously purple pill or just down right infiltrators out to make a buck or cuck. Why is Jack Murphy, a proven cuck that let another man bang his girlfriend for cash, still a part of the event?

If Anthony had any shred of legitimacy, he would let anyone who bought tickets get their money back if they came to see Rollo, but since he's hiding behind his "terms and conditions" like the little weasel he is, more than proves that type of character he is.
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This is the curse of establishing high profile centralized circuits and organizations and having a measure of success. The organizers eventually become victims of their success, get lazy, forget why they organized in the first place and eventually, the betas, gammas, manginas, simps, women and (((them))) infiltrate, subvert, corrupt and destroy said organization.

When it comes to organization, /Pol's purity spiraling actions makes sense even though it is extreme. Purity spiraling, though perceived as closed minded and even unreasonable, is a logical response to corruption in that it forces the organizers and members to stay true to the message and reinforces a pagan "right-wing" mindset. It restricts new ideas to take form but prevents subversion by corrupting elements.

All of us can also take lessons from this in that you must always true to the message and the goal, do not rest on your laurels and do not let anyone and anything stray you from the path.
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(06-08-2019 08:26 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  More and more, a lot of these dudes are being exposed as the frauds that they are. A big reason that the manosphere is crashing and burning.

I totally agree, but I think a lot of us have known about the number of frauds for years. Even here, most of the guys trying to sell how cool they are (not going to name names, if you've been around, you know who they are) are either delusional or total frauds. I'm not much for conspiracies, but it's telling that frauds only got vouched for by other frauds or people who bought into their self-promotion.

I've frankly never found most of the theory guys particularly credible. Maybe that's just because of my own philosophical inclinations, but it's much easier to spew nonsense from an armchair than to take action. As I've said in past, a lot of the "manosphere theory" always struck me as male versions of the rationalization hamster.

I can't say that I'm surprised at the number of frauds, by the way. Going back to the origins of PUA material (e.g. Ross Jeffries, Mystery, David DeAngelo, Vin DiCarlo), many of those guys were marketers. They saw an opportunity to make money and took it.

At this point, I'm pretty willing to write off any grand theorizer or big-baller troll as someone aggressively fronting a delusion.

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(06-09-2019 01:42 AM)2Infinity Wrote:  Is there any actual proof Rollo did that? Nothing in the video seems to show Rollo leading her there? Or am I not seeing something? Even then, why did ADJ sit on his ass for more than 6 months and not do anything? He had no problem using Rollo's name and face to sell tickets to 2019 21 Convention, well after this happened in Oct 2018 ? Even if Rollo had something to do with the reporter being there I think Anthony is just using it as a cover up for the real reason, which is Rollo likely being critical against some of the 21 Con speakers that are obviously purple pill or just down right infiltrators out to make a buck or cuck. Why is Jack Murphy, a proven cuck that let another man bang his girlfriend for cash, still a part of the event?

If Anthony had any shred of legitimacy, he would let anyone who bought tickets get their money back if they came to see Rollo, but since he's hiding behind his "terms and conditions" like the little weasel he is, more than proves that type of character he is.

I think this goes to show that some things are best left as side interests/hustles vs. careers. Espousing red pill information is an example of that. There's a limit to how much redpill information there is, and most of it can be deciphered through observation if one is even mildy astute. After a while, all this red pill discussion becomes little more than the show Tosh.O, where guys just end up searching the internet and news for articles to point out the red pill lessons in them over and over again. Trying to monetize a product that has ultimately dimishing returns and a fierce competitor (See: entire rest of the internet) results in the need to cheapen the product and short change people.

Guys seriously need to make a pivot from theory to practice and spend more time on self-improvement vs. the constant mental masturbation that some of this has become. Not only will it help you more than any amount of theory analysis can, but when you do invest money into self-improvement, you'll actually get something tangible in return instead of being told to go fuck yourself in legal jargon.

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Is there going to be a manosphere by the end of 2020 - roughly 20 years after Game 1.0 brought atomised men together through the internet?

Rising inceldom, Male spaces feminised and the growing difficulty to make friends are going to make a lot of men realise just how lonely and isolated they are.

I do worry about these men and those who are hoping that the churches are the only places left for tradcon relationships.

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(06-09-2019 02:42 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  
(06-08-2019 08:26 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  More and more, a lot of these dudes are being exposed as the frauds that they are. A big reason that the manosphere is crashing and burning.

I totally agree, but I think a lot of us have known about the number of frauds for years. Even here, most of the guys trying to sell how cool they are (not going to name names, if you've been around, you know who they are) are either delusional or total frauds. I'm not much for conspiracies, but it's telling that frauds only got vouched for by other frauds or people who bought into their self-promotion.

I've frankly never found most of the theory guys particularly credible. Maybe that's just because of my own philosophical inclinations, but it's much easier to spew nonsense from an armchair than to take action. As I've said in past, a lot of the "manosphere theory" always struck me as male versions of the rationalization hamster.

I can't say that I'm surprised at the number of frauds, by the way. Going back to the origins of PUA material (e.g. Ross Jeffries, Mystery, David DeAngelo, Vin DiCarlo), many of those guys were marketers. They saw an opportunity to make money and took it.

At this point, I'm pretty willing to write off any grand theorizer or big-baller troll as someone aggressively fronting a delusion.

To be honest, I think one of the more positive outcomes of Roosh's changing of the direction of the forum is that it really seems to be thinning out some of the big baller posters and guys who were quite obviously embellishing and exaggerating their exploits. Similarily, if the so called manosphere is going to survive, it's going to need more sober and serious guys to take over the space that is being opened up by the downfall of these fraudsters.

Men who were previously looking to manosphere gurus for all of the answers to their life's problems really need to start leading themselves now. There has to be a shift from blindly following guys like Rollo and Roissy to now using some of the information that has been deseminated over the years and forging your own path. These manosphere beefs and dramas reinforces just how feminized most men have become, even supposed red pilled, alpha males who preach the exact opposite. The over the top reaction of many posters here when Roosh announced his changes was most unsurprising in light of all of these other events in this part of the world wide web.
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(06-09-2019 03:52 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  Men who were previously looking to manosphere gurus for all of the answers to their life's problems really need to start leading themselves now. There has to be a shift from blindly following guys like Rollo and Roissy to now using some of the information that has been deseminated over the years and forging your own path. These manosphere beefs and dramas reinforces just how feminized most men have become, even supposed red pilled, alpha males who preach the exact opposite. The over the top reaction of many posters here when Roosh announced his changes was most unsurprising in light of all of these other events in this part of the world wide web.

You're right on the mark here. It's part of why I don't really post here much or read much of the "manosphere" anymore. I've read Roissy/Rollo/etc. and reached my own conclusions. To be totally blunt about it, I don't see them having success with women. I think that's where most of their nihilism and mental masturbation comes from. Roissy, especially, always struck me as a guy who had a relationship go bad and then turned to hating women as a way of coping with it.

I also see a lot of "manosphere" beliefs as self-fulfilling prophecies. If you believe all women are bitter cunts who ride the cock carousel until they hit the wall, then you're going to naturally attract those types of low-quality women. Masculine men with strong boundaries and beliefs filter those women out very quickly.

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(06-09-2019 01:42 AM)2Infinity Wrote:  Is there any actual proof Rollo did that? Nothing in the video seems to show Rollo leading her there? Or am I not seeing something? Even then, why did ADJ sit on his ass for more than 6 months and not do anything? He had no problem using Rollo's name and face to sell tickets to 2019 21 Convention, well after this happened in Oct 2018 ? Even if Rollo had something to do with the reporter being there I think Anthony is just using it as a cover up for the real reason, which is Rollo likely being critical against some of the 21 Con speakers that are obviously purple pill or just down right infiltrators out to make a buck or cuck. Why is Jack Murphy, a proven cuck that let another man bang his girlfriend for cash, still a part of the event?

If Anthony had any shred of legitimacy, he would let anyone who bought tickets get their money back if they came to see Rollo, but since he's hiding behind his "terms and conditions" like the little weasel he is, more than proves that type of character he is.

There's a reddit thread on r/TheRedPill that goes into the issue quite thoroughly. The link is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comm..._hitpiece/
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(06-09-2019 02:43 PM)nek Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 01:42 AM)2Infinity Wrote:  Is there any actual proof Rollo did that? Nothing in the video seems to show Rollo leading her there? Or am I not seeing something? Even then, why did ADJ sit on his ass for more than 6 months and not do anything? He had no problem using Rollo's name and face to sell tickets to 2019 21 Convention, well after this happened in Oct 2018 ? Even if Rollo had something to do with the reporter being there I think Anthony is just using it as a cover up for the real reason, which is Rollo likely being critical against some of the 21 Con speakers that are obviously purple pill or just down right infiltrators out to make a buck or cuck. Why is Jack Murphy, a proven cuck that let another man bang his girlfriend for cash, still a part of the event?

If Anthony had any shred of legitimacy, he would let anyone who bought tickets get their money back if they came to see Rollo, but since he's hiding behind his "terms and conditions" like the little weasel he is, more than proves that type of character he is.

I think this goes to show that some things are best left as side interests/hustles vs. careers.

Exactly, this is a litmus test of sorts for content creators in the red pill space. One of the reason I have such high faith in Rollo's work, despite recent events, is that he doesn't depend on his blog or RM books for his main source of livelihood. That's a major 'tell' in my opinion, whether the content creator is going to unabashedly write bitter truth no matter what the audience thinks.

This is also a potential source of friction between him and the remaining 21 Con hacks/scammers IMO, all of them are trying to write for an audience that they want to extract cash from or sell some bullshit course to for $997. The the more pure and bitter red pill content that Rollo is prone to creating / sharing doesn't sell as well as more positive "self improvement" type content the 21 Con hacks prefer to peddle.

The other person in the space that I trust is the Blacklabel Logic fellow, his blog is also a pure side hustle that he doesn't depend on for his livelihood.

I'm kind of uncertain about Rich Cooper, his content is good but felt iffy that he was selling "monthly memberships" to his men's club. Dodgy That said, the guy is proven to be a legit successful businessman in the personal debt space, so I sort of give him a pass since it is probably second nature for him to monetize anything he creates.

Most of the other guys associated with the (now aptly named) 21 'CON'vention are just course peddlers, Ivan thorne - peddling some BS course (take a look at his twitter feed for a good laugh), Jack Murphy (proven cuck, peddling his BS men's club membership), Anthony Johnson - nothing more needs to be said about this nutcase/scammer, see his recent twitter feed to watch his implosion in real-time. Modern Life Dating is also another course-peddler IMO, hilariously defended Anthony until the moment he himself got kicked out and then basically cried and did a 180 degree team switch. AJA Cortez - peddling some weight loss / fitness course. George Bruno fellow, another grifter trying to hop on the bandwagon, grow an audience and cash in, he's literally trying to push some affiliate links to phone cases on Amazon at the moment, lmao.


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