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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
Yeah their group is full of dubious types and snakeoil merchants.
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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
(06-08-2019 09:29 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  The kosher chick is plain but I suppose we've all known a few girls whose capacity for seduction far outweighed their looks. I knew several who destroyed male social circles like a runaway freight train had just barrelled through their clubhouse but if I showed you a picture of them you'd shrug your shoulders and wonder what the fuss was about.

Better looking girls than them were treated with less regard.

A rarely-regarded point. I've experienced that very phenomenon myself personally. Sucks.
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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
(06-09-2019 05:52 PM)2Infinity Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 02:43 PM)nek Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 01:42 AM)2Infinity Wrote:  Is there any actual proof Rollo did that? Nothing in the video seems to show Rollo leading her there? Or am I not seeing something? Even then, why did ADJ sit on his ass for more than 6 months and not do anything? He had no problem using Rollo's name and face to sell tickets to 2019 21 Convention, well after this happened in Oct 2018 ? Even if Rollo had something to do with the reporter being there I think Anthony is just using it as a cover up for the real reason, which is Rollo likely being critical against some of the 21 Con speakers that are obviously purple pill or just down right infiltrators out to make a buck or cuck. Why is Jack Murphy, a proven cuck that let another man bang his girlfriend for cash, still a part of the event?

If Anthony had any shred of legitimacy, he would let anyone who bought tickets get their money back if they came to see Rollo, but since he's hiding behind his "terms and conditions" like the little weasel he is, more than proves that type of character he is.

I think this goes to show that some things are best left as side interests/hustles vs. careers.

Exactly, this is a litmus test of sorts for content creators in the red pill space. One of the reason I have such high faith in Rollo's work, despite recent events, is that he doesn't depend on his blog or RM books for his main source of livelihood. That's a major 'tell' in my opinion, whether the content creator is going to unabashedly write bitter truth no matter what the audience thinks.

The the more pure and bitter red pill content that Rollo is prone to creating / sharing doesn't sell as well as more positive "self improvement" type content the 21 Con hacks prefer to peddle.

Perhaps just a difference in semantics, but what do you mean by "self-improvement?" in this instance. Self-improvement is a good thing to sell IMO. But in this definition I mean things like learning fitness, finance, entrepreneurship, things like this. If you're talking about the guys selling "game", then yes, I agree, it's a crock a shit. Fake it till you make it is for "Never-will-be"s

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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
On a side, note, what the hell has happened? In a matter of a month/weeks, things in this realm of the internet have come FULL STOP. Some changes for the better, but all this at once is crazy.

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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
(06-09-2019 05:40 PM)Fuchsia Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 01:42 AM)2Infinity Wrote:  Is there any actual proof Rollo did that? Nothing in the video seems to show Rollo leading her there? Or am I not seeing something? Even then, why did ADJ sit on his ass for more than 6 months and not do anything? He had no problem using Rollo's name and face to sell tickets to 2019 21 Convention, well after this happened in Oct 2018 ? Even if Rollo had something to do with the reporter being there I think Anthony is just using it as a cover up for the real reason, which is Rollo likely being critical against some of the 21 Con speakers that are obviously purple pill or just down right infiltrators out to make a buck or cuck. Why is Jack Murphy, a proven cuck that let another man bang his girlfriend for cash, still a part of the event?

If Anthony had any shred of legitimacy, he would let anyone who bought tickets get their money back if they came to see Rollo, but since he's hiding behind his "terms and conditions" like the little weasel he is, more than proves that type of character he is.

There's a reddit thread on r/TheRedPill that goes into the issue quite thoroughly. The link is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comm..._hitpiece/

I can't see it. It says it's quarantined. What's that about?

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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
(06-08-2019 03:32 PM)Roosh Wrote:  The reason for Rollo's dismissal has surfaced:
...
He invited New York Times reporter Nellie Bowles to a private 21CON event even though he was told not to, putting everyone's identity at risk, presumably because he wanted media attention for himself or to bang the reporter, who has a Jewish physiognomy.

In other words, he put his entire standing in the manosphere on the line for this woman:
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Geez...I was out of town for 4 days of martial arts training and something happened between Rollo and 21CON? Specifically, over a woman?

My reaction after reading the last few pages to catch up:
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How can Rollo be considered "Red Pill" for getting involved with a Jewish reporter from the NYT, a media organization that leans so far to the Left and should never be trusted?

Anthony Dream Johnson @beachmuscles tweeted this out:
Quote:Rollo Tomassi : “Should I invite Nelly to Soc’s party?”
Me: Omg hell no lol
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Edit. Via Anthony Dream Johnson @beachmuscles:
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(06-09-2019 09:26 PM)nek Wrote:  On a side, note, what the hell has happened? In a matter of a month/weeks, things in this realm of the internet have come FULL STOP. Some changes for the better, but all this at once is crazy.


My take.

The situation is so dire between men and women, that there is no reason to 'practice red pill'. What's the most a man can hope for? Spinning plates with a few 5-6/10 unfeminine women with a bad attitude? Riveting.

The age of game is truly over.

Red pill was always going to run out of steam because it still depends on being attached to a woman's behaviors and reactions. You are still dependent on the woman giving you what you need.

Even the anger that men have that western women are behaving this way or that. Why are you attached to their behaviour? Do you think you need them to give you something for you to live on this earth?
How come billions of people in third world countries can live on so little, and still have meaning in their life, and the complaining 'red piller' can't, just because the women stink. Because they are spititually weak.

And before people say 'men have biological sexual needs'. 90% of what men think are their 'biological' needs, are mental lusts and attachments. Just like most of the time someone in America is 'hungry for a burger', they're just bored.

God is where people have always turned when conditions in the world are brutal. It is the only everlasting truth. Everything in the physical world can be changed or taken away.

God pill is the final pill.

The red pill 'gurus' who cant admit this fact are like rats on a sinking ship, fighting amongst each other and imploding.
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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
It is hard for me to see how any of the people involved in the 21 controversy come off looking good.

Rollo inviting a hostile political activist from the NYT is insane. His pmsing about Roosh and others looks like the drama of a teenage girl.

AJ waits 8 months to kick Rollo out? If so bad why wasn't immediate action taken? Did he first need Rollo to sell tickets? Why is he selling tickets for up to 2000 when all the speakers will be selling services or content? The seminar should be free with the speakers paying.

There seem to be a lot of grifters in the manosphere who are cashing in on the misandrist environment. Rollo, like Roosh, at least generates quality content. Most of these guys seem to recycle basic truths while selling dreams and simple solutions to complex problems. In other words they come across as snake oil salesmen.

Case in point: Ivan Throne. How does he deserve to be such a big thing? Bluster and attitude combined with an over melodramatic prose style. I don't get it.

Throne and many others, especially Vox Day, come across as though they are the alphest of the alpha males and have discovered all the meanings of life. They constantly let inferior people know that they are blessed to live in an age where these alpha visionaries can share the truth. Move over Aristotle.

What I have liked about Roosh is that he doesn't oversell himself and seems to come across as an open book. He has admitted for years that he is searching for more meaning from life and it has been interesting to follow that journey. As long as he doesn't decide he now has all the simple solutions to complex problems thanks to Christianity, I will continue to follow him and wish him well.
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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
A lot of this history is before my time in the 'sphere but to me it looks like it can be summarized like this.

Manopshere kings: "Men, can we have your attention please!"
*men give them their attention*
Manosphere kings: Okay, we have their attention. What now?
*Five years go by*

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This whole thing burned out because for these guys the celebrity status was the important thing, helping men came second, and having a forward-thinking mission was not even in the script. It was just a self-improvement hamster wheel that left men empty with no greater flag to rally to, kingdom to defend or mission to execute. Little wonder it's imploding into a gossipy cat-fight.

One of the key points in the movie/book Fight Club was where the club stops merely having their organised fight sessions and undertakes Project Mayhem.

Women want attention.

Men want a mission.

I you don't give it to them then you end up with men behaving like women.

God demands of Man responsibility. God demands of Woman vulnerability. These are their curse and blessing alike. Libertianism is to Man as Feminism is to Woman.
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Very good analogy with Project Mayhem in Fight Club. It was on the tip of my mind but I couldn't put my of finger on it.

It's quite farcical the way it has broken down. Certainly a study in Male group behaviour.

I'm sure this kind of thing has happened over and over again in history when men in a group lose a collective purpose worth fighting for. It becomes a power grab.

In some ways, what has happened in the manosphere is a cross section with what has happened to men in the west. No shared higher purpose, so every gorilla for himself.
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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
The Western fantasy context of rugged individualism strikes again and destroys another Male group whose only bonds was profit.

Was it the Red Man group that was selling the hormone laden soap that promised to attract women like flies?

Don't spend all your energy on sex and all your money on women; they have destroyed kings. (Proverbs 31:3 GNB)
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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
Twitter thread looking into all the drama:
https://twitter.com/BreatheTYB/status/11...8537498625


And a slightly less organised one:
https://twitter.com/BreatheTYB/status/11...2111612933


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The defining moment is when they push some supplement as if their influence of your mind is not enough - they need to influence your body too.
Then they get stuck in the fame > money > influence circle which they build by loosening their grip on their conscience until they are straight up stealing $2000+ off the most vulnerable of people they are "helping". How do you justify charging $2000+ for what is basically fatherly advice to boys who grew up with no father...

You can see a similar thing with women and instagram profiles. Next time you stumble on some big lipped bimbo, open the profile and scroll right to the beginning. Often you will see a relatively normal and innocent (in comparison) girl who over the space of a few years totally sells herself out for attention.

This is how you sell your soul.
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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
Agree with what some posters here said especially @doc holliday and @Truth Teller. I'll add my own perspective to this.

Men need to be moving to the next step and elevating their position in the space that they are in, whether career, women or family. Sometimes, it's you taking a leadership role in a career or making more money. Other times it's getting to more high quality women whether you choose longer term relationships or not. Then there are men that talk a big game ABOUT these things instead. I have noticed this about the manosphere more recently now that we have had a several number of years to assess if these so called manosphere pillars have become the type of men they implicitly claimed they are or will be. I think my personal conclusion is that they have not and even will go further to say they are utter failures in helping men, even if they successfully profited financially. Not because they were wrong, but because they didn't set an example for men to live by in the longer term. Sometimes the best marketers are not the best leaders by example. I think the evolution of the manosphere is a case study in this.

These guys took theories and embellished them with grandeur in order to sell a product and make money. That's all they did. Roosh, on the other hand, created a FREE platform for us, which provided immense value. Sure he made some money as well but the truth is he could have made a lot more and could have charged for the forum after it was established. He didn't do so and while he benefited, so did we all. While there are many opinions people have on the matter, I think it's best for most people to act grateful and move on.

These guys appear to be douchebags that charge you a premium for marketing pieces. It's like those $1000 self help seminars or get rich quick schemes, for example in Real Estate. It's no different. If, instead, guys took advantage of the forum and tried to meet other members who indeed lived by their values (not just wrote about them), then these guys would have become more well rounded men. Again, when Roosh offered this through other MEN on the forum, only a few guys in the membership decided to take advantage of it. Sadly, those "packages" or seminars are sold as one solution under the guise of a fix to your problems overnight or within a week. It's total bullshit even on the surface and you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.

I always say, follow marketing personalities at your own. Writers that you realize over 5+ years that don't walk the walk? Time to let go man....

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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
Certainly isn't the big 'betrayal' they're insinuating it is. My opinion of Rollo hasn't really gone down.
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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
Rollo doesn't address the details of this incident in his latest blog post, nor does he defend himself. He only mentions things in the vaguest possible terms.
Sounds like he's guilty.

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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
Guilty of what? Inviting a reporter to a place that the other guys already revealed on Instagram?

It's not a great move, but I dont think it's as big a deal they're making it out to be.

Rollo was discussing this with Anthony in private. Didn't just spring it on him.

These 21 "his name is Robert Paulsen" Convention fags are like women. They love to make things more dramatic than they really are, just to feel emotional.

Now these nobodies- Bobby Dino, Avisheik Saha are all parroting the same lines about 'betrayal'. Simply put, they know where their bread is buttered.
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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
(06-09-2019 11:00 PM)Rorogue Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 09:26 PM)nek Wrote:  On a side, note, what the hell has happened? In a matter of a month/weeks, things in this realm of the internet have come FULL STOP. Some changes for the better, but all this at once is crazy.


My take.

The situation is so dire between men and women, that there is no reason to 'practice red pill'. What's the most a man can hope for? Spinning plates with a few 5-6/10 unfeminine women with a bad attitude? Riveting.

The age of game is truly over.

Red pill was always going to run out of steam because it still depends on being attached to a woman's behaviors and reactions. You are still dependent on the woman giving you what you need.

Even the anger that men have that western women are behaving this way or that. Why are you attached to their behaviour? Do you think you need them to give you something for you to live on this earth?
How come billions of people in third world countries can live on so little, and still have meaning in their life, and the complaining 'red piller' can't, just because the women stink. Because they are spititually weak.

And before people say 'men have biological sexual needs'. 90% of what men think are their 'biological' needs, are mental lusts and attachments. Just like most of the time someone in America is 'hungry for a burger', they're just bored.

God is where people have always turned when conditions in the world are brutal. It is the only everlasting truth. Everything in the physical world can be changed or taken away.

God pill is the final pill.

The red pill 'gurus' who cant admit this fact are like rats on a sinking ship, fighting amongst each other and imploding.

Such a good post. Love it.

Red Pill/Pick UP is always just "reacting" to the environment we are currently live in. That's is so true. And in 2019 if you like it or not, in most Western countries the environment is rotten from within.

That's why the God Pill is a logical response. I would never ever thought I would say in my life that: "Turning to God is the only logical way now".

Especially for the people here on this Forum, I have a question, if you want to start a family, how can you even think to do that without turning to God and having a religious community that backs you up? It's only logical. In 2019 it has nothing to do with believing in God or not. It's just simply logical.

Do you think your daughter will be influenced by you more or the leftie teachers that has her 6-7 hours a day? The music she listens. The movies she watches. And her friends that most likely will not have parents respectively a father that isn't a Beta. Good luck raising a family with a woman you picked up being "Red Pill Alpha" and not going to church. But don't come crying if your son wants to be a female or your daughter has her first abortion at 14 and justifies it with: "But Dad Miley Cyrus did it to you women hating nazi!"
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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
I was supposed to speak at the Poland convention in about a month. Was really looking forward to doing a talk about my journey of getting abroad and how it's really been the ultimate red pill and given me a ton of fulfillment in my life.

I'm not privy to any more information than what's already been shown here, but I've now withdrawn myself as a speaker. No desire to get caught in the crossfire. Lot of gasoline being dumped on it all at the moment...

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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
(06-10-2019 06:45 AM)Chiosboy90 Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 11:00 PM)Rorogue Wrote:  
(06-09-2019 09:26 PM)nek Wrote:  On a side, note, what the hell has happened? In a matter of a month/weeks, things in this realm of the internet have come FULL STOP. Some changes for the better, but all this at once is crazy.


My take.

The situation is so dire between men and women, that there is no reason to 'practice red pill'. What's the most a man can hope for? Spinning plates with a few 5-6/10 unfeminine women with a bad attitude? Riveting.

The age of game is truly over.

Red pill was always going to run out of steam because it still depends on being attached to a woman's behaviors and reactions. You are still dependent on the woman giving you what you need.

Even the anger that men have that western women are behaving this way or that. Why are you attached to their behaviour? Do you think you need them to give you something for you to live on this earth?
How come billions of people in third world countries can live on so little, and still have meaning in their life, and the complaining 'red piller' can't, just because the women stink. Because they are spititually weak.

And before people say 'men have biological sexual needs'. 90% of what men think are their 'biological' needs, are mental lusts and attachments. Just like most of the time someone in America is 'hungry for a burger', they're just bored.

God is where people have always turned when conditions in the world are brutal. It is the only everlasting truth. Everything in the physical world can be changed or taken away.

God pill is the final pill.

The red pill 'gurus' who cant admit this fact are like rats on a sinking ship, fighting amongst each other and imploding.

Such a good post. Love it.

Red Pill/Pick UP is always just "reacting" to the environment we are currently live in. That's is so true. And in 2019 if you like it or not, in most Western countries the environment is rotten from within.

That's why the God Pill is a logical response. I would never ever thought I would say in my life that: "Turning to God is the only logical way now".

Especially for the people here on this Forum, I have a question, if you want to start a family, how can you even think to do that without turning to God and having a religious community that backs you up? It's only logical. In 2019 it has nothing to do with believing in God or not. It's just simply logical.

Do you think your daughter will be influenced by you more or the leftie teachers that has her 6-7 hours a day? The music she listens. The movies she watches. And her friends that most likely will not have parents respectively a father that isn't a Beta. Good luck raising a family with a woman you picked up being "Red Pill Alpha" and not going to church. But don't come crying if your son wants to be a female or your daughter has her first abortion at 14 and justifies it with: "But Dad Miley Cyrus did it to you women hating nazi!"

It's unbelievable how fast the culture has changed.
Next generation will have no idea what dating was before smartphones.
Truly sickening.
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(06-10-2019 07:13 AM)This Is Trouble Wrote:  I was supposed to speak at the Poland convention in about a month. Was really looking forward to doing a talk about my journey of getting abroad and how it's really been the ultimate red pill and given me a ton of fulfillment in my life.

I'm not privy to any more information than what's already been shown here, but I've now withdrawn myself as a speaker. No desire to get caught in the crossfire. Lot of gasoline being dumped on it all at the moment...

Honest question here, not trying to be an ass. Why would I or anyone else drop 2K on this convention to hear you and these other guys conduct a series of lectures where you all are basically saying the same thing? Does that even include any food or drinks? Or is that extra? Any hotel room discounts with that 2K? The whole thing reeks of being a money making scam, targeting vulnerable men looking for answers in their lives. Honestly, I hope all of these hucksters go down in flames.
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(06-10-2019 09:26 AM)doc holliday Wrote:  
(06-10-2019 07:13 AM)This Is Trouble Wrote:  I was supposed to speak at the Poland convention in about a month. Was really looking forward to doing a talk about my journey of getting abroad and how it's really been the ultimate red pill and given me a ton of fulfillment in my life.

I'm not privy to any more information than what's already been shown here, but I've now withdrawn myself as a speaker. No desire to get caught in the crossfire. Lot of gasoline being dumped on it all at the moment...

Honest question here, not trying to be an ass. Why would I or anyone else drop 2K on this convention to hear you and these other guys conduct a series of lectures where you all are basically saying the same thing? Does that even include any food or drinks? Or is that extra? Any hotel room discounts with that 2K? The whole thing reeks of being a money making scam, targeting vulnerable men looking for answers in their lives. Honestly, I hope all of these hucksters go down in flames.

For that money, Jack Murphy will show you the "cuck life" up close and personal- in the hotel with his wife's Bull.
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(06-10-2019 09:26 AM)doc holliday Wrote:  
(06-10-2019 07:13 AM)This Is Trouble Wrote:  I was supposed to speak at the Poland convention in about a month. Was really looking forward to doing a talk about my journey of getting abroad and how it's really been the ultimate red pill and given me a ton of fulfillment in my life.

I'm not privy to any more information than what's already been shown here, but I've now withdrawn myself as a speaker. No desire to get caught in the crossfire. Lot of gasoline being dumped on it all at the moment...

Honest question here, not trying to be an ass. Why would I or anyone else drop 2K on this convention to hear you and these other guys conduct a series of lectures where you all are basically saying the same thing? Does that even include any food or drinks? Or is that extra? Any hotel room discounts with that 2K? The whole thing reeks of being a money making scam, targeting vulnerable men looking for answers in their lives. Honestly, I hope all of these hucksters go down in flames.

Oof. Maybe I shouldn't have waded in here.

I don't have a defense for you honestly man. I was asked to speak, I said sure. When things got hot, I decided to back out. I can't speak to anything about how much profit is made off it at the end. I think one or two dinners is included in the price and there is a special hotel rate, certainly the final ticket price is going to be higher than what's advertised when all is said and done. And I certainly feel no one should go if finances are any concern at all.

I wasn't going to get any speaker's fee, and was told I needed to sell two tickets to have my own room and board covered (for what it's worth, I didn't sell any).

That's all I can say. People do pay for "conferences" in a variety of industries, all the time. That said, I certainly *do* get your skepticism.

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(06-10-2019 09:26 AM)doc holliday Wrote:  
(06-10-2019 07:13 AM)This Is Trouble Wrote:  I was supposed to speak at the Poland convention in about a month. Was really looking forward to doing a talk about my journey of getting abroad and how it's really been the ultimate red pill and given me a ton of fulfillment in my life.

I'm not privy to any more information than what's already been shown here, but I've now withdrawn myself as a speaker. No desire to get caught in the crossfire. Lot of gasoline being dumped on it all at the moment...

Honest question here, not trying to be an ass. Why would I or anyone else drop 2K on this convention to hear you and these other guys conduct a series of lectures where you all are basically saying the same thing? Does that even include any food or drinks? Or is that extra? Any hotel room discounts with that 2K? The whole thing reeks of being a money making scam, targeting vulnerable men looking for answers in their lives. Honestly, I hope all of these hucksters go down in flames.

Oof. Maybe I shouldn't have waded in here.

I don't have a defense for you honestly man. I was asked to speak, I said sure. When things got hot, I decided to back out. I can't speak to anything about how much profit is made off it at the end. I think one or two dinners is included in the price and there is a special hotel rate, certainly the final ticket price is going to be higher than what's advertised when all is said and done. And I certainly feel no one should go if finances are any concern at all.

I wasn't going to get any speaker's fee, and was told I needed to sell two tickets to have my own room and board covered (for what it's worth, I didn't sell any).

That's all I can say. People do pay for "conferences" in a variety of industries, all the time. That said, I certainly *do* get your skepticism.

Fair enough, I know it's not your conference but since you were scheduled to speak, I thought I'd ask you what the deal with this thing was. All I know is that I can attend medical conferences for less and get way more of an ROI than listening to Rollo speak, hence my skepticism. Thanks though, I appreciate the candid answer.
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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
(06-10-2019 10:57 AM)doc holliday Wrote:  Fair enough, I know it's not your conference but since you were scheduled to speak, I thought I'd ask you what the deal with this thing was. All I know is that I can attend medical conferences for less and get way more of an ROI than listening to Rollo speak, hence my skepticism. Thanks though, I appreciate the candid answer.

Doc, I hear you and think the same way. We are not the customer.

They went after Roosh because he has the reach to turn a lot of their customers away from them and their business. That is why they tried to go after Roosh's mental health or whatever attacks they ran with. The last thing they want is people thinking there must be more to life than what they spent their lives building a business around. They are scared and now they are turning on themselves like a pack of rabid dogs.
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