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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
Interesting to see who is getting exposed now. Some interesting twitter threads on the Andrew Tate and the likes.
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If Rollo was a problem, I do have to wonder why Anthony didn't just kick him out after 21Con last year. Why did he wait until June?
06-15-2019 08:40 AM
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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
^good point. I think Rollo came out looking the best out of this whole fiasco simply by not going on twitter tirades and engaging in petty drama like a lot of others involved. I went to the event last year and thought most of the speakers seemed like respectable people who brought some good insight/knowledge, but seeing this whole thing go down is pretty cringe inducing. A bunch of grown ass men engaging in dumb internet drama. I wasn’t going to attend this year but *if* I was considering going, this whole thing would’ve really turned me off. I don’t engage in internet hero worship so I’ll stick with this forum and move on with my life but the manosphere needs some guys leading the pack that aren’t shysters trying to turn a buck. I think Roosh is legit but he is only one guy. A lot of these guys came out looking like huge dorks, ADJ in particular set off my douche radar at the con and has gone above and beyond in proving my assumption correct
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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
The 21 Con has completely gone back to purple pill. They're basically denying that hypergamy has a huge part to play (Bruno's and Cortes' Twitter), and encouraging being romantic.

I can't believe it. After Rollo saved Anthony's ass and career with the red pill stuff.
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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
(06-14-2019 10:51 PM)Conquerer7 Wrote:  Interesting to see who is getting exposed now. Some interesting twitter threads on the Andrew Tate and the likes.

(06-15-2019 10:01 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  The 21 Con has completely gone back to purple pill. They're basically denying that hypergamy has a huge part to play (Bruno's and Cortes' Twitter), and encouraging being romantic.

I can't believe it. After Rollo saved Anthony's ass and career with the red pill stuff.

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(06-12-2019 08:01 PM)Player_1337 Wrote:  
(06-10-2019 08:02 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  


This video almost comes off as a parody of the 'manosphere'.

So to be in the manosphere all you need is to be materialistic? Laugh


That sound I hear must be the legions of gold digging whores coming over the hill. As ol' Billy red face used to say.
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(06-15-2019 12:44 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 08:01 PM)Player_1337 Wrote:  
(06-10-2019 08:02 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  


This video almost comes off as a parody of the 'manosphere'.

So to be in the manosphere all you need is to be materialistic? Laugh

Their vision of manhood looks like a slightly roided up version of this:

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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
What happend between Rollo, Richard Cooper and this convention? They were both slated to speak, both have worthwhile ideas, yet both were cancelled.

Something is fishy with their leadership.
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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
(06-15-2019 11:54 AM)Roosh Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 10:51 PM)Conquerer7 Wrote:  Interesting to see who is getting exposed now. Some interesting twitter threads on the Andrew Tate and the likes.

(06-15-2019 10:01 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  The 21 Con has completely gone back to purple pill. They're basically denying that hypergamy has a huge part to play (Bruno's and Cortes' Twitter), and encouraging being romantic.

I can't believe it. After Rollo saved Anthony's ass and career with the red pill stuff.

Links?


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(06-15-2019 12:59 PM)911 Wrote:  
(06-15-2019 12:44 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  
(06-12-2019 08:01 PM)Player_1337 Wrote:  
(06-10-2019 08:02 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  


This video almost comes off as a parody of the 'manosphere'.

So to be in the manosphere all you need is to be materialistic? Laugh

Their vision of manhood looks like a slightly roided up version of this:

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This is going south really fast in real time, the f#%$ing internet man- it is an animal all it's own....

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It makes me want to reactivate my social media accounts so I can follow the gossip and drama - but I won't - there is little good there.
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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
Okay so here's the lineup from their website. Elliott Hulse, who is certainly knowledgeable about strength training and health. However, he is new to red pill issues and it's embarrassing to hear him speak on the subject.

Jack Donovan, the author of The Way of Men, a seminal work. Speaking of seminal, he's gay, so I have to question his message and guidance to me as a straight man.

Ed Latimore? Hell fucking yeah!  He's someone I respect and admire.

Alexander Cortes? I'm not familiar with him. He appears to be a red pill johnny-come-lately.

Dr. Robert Glover, the author of No More Mr Nice guy. I don't know, sounds legit.

Psychologist Shawn T Smith? I'm not familiar with him.

Jack Murphy? At least he's walked the walk.

Hunter Drew, the founder of The Family Alpha. I don't know him, sounds like a  purple pill save your marriage type of guy.

Socrates? Looks weird as fuck, yet writes about the sexual marketplace?

Tanner Guzy, the men's fashion expert. However, he appears in a blazer that is too tight in their ad.

Donovan Sharpe. He has a radio show where he screams a lot.

Texas Dom. He is some sort of Guide to the dom / sub lifestyle.

Ivan Throne? Author of the Nine Laws. Never heard of it.

Goldmund Unleashed. Author and manosphere bad boy. I'd be interested in hearing him speak.

George Bruno. Apparently, he's a YouTube sensation.

Steve Williams. Steve who?

Bobby Dino. He unfucked his life and wants to teach you how to do the same.

Ken Curry. A licensed family and marriage therapist. Enough said.

Pat Campbell. A radio talk show host who is also embarrassingly new to the red pill.

The 21 convention site still has Rollo Tomassi's photographs plastered all over. If he is such a pariah, the photographs should be taken down, Mr. Dream Johnson.  That's not a very Objectivist  thing to do. That's something that a taker, not a maker, would do.

he he he......
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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
Just to expand a little on MMM's post above:

Jack Donovan: yeah, he’s gay, but he’s done some pretty smart work in several of his books. I got a lot of value out of The Way of Men and especially Becoming a Barbarian. His idea of masculinity resting on the virtues of strength, courage, mastery and honor is a useful framework.

Ed Latimore: I like and respect him. I’ve followed him on Twitter for a couple of years now, and he’s witty and entertaining. He’s definitely purple pill though, and frankly, not a very good speaker. I enjoy his tweets way more than watching video of him. I am mildly annoyed that he promotes himself as an "Army veteran" when all he did was a few years in the National Guard with no deployments.

Alexander Cortes: good on fitness stuff and blunt about men “un****ing” themselves. Very much purple pill on relationships, and frequently retweets rather unremarkable observations made by very banal women. Good speaker, however, and I enjoy some of his little “Cortes talks” on YouTube.

Dr. Robert Glover: I read No More Mr. Nice Guy when I first discovered the red pill. He’s really more purple pill, and is on (I think) his third marriage. Still, valuable advice for men first escaping western society’s blue pill conditioning.

Jack Murphy: an enthusiastic literal cuck who wears fingernail polish every day. Listened to his podcast when he had some interesting guests, and he has homosexual speech patterns. Avoid.

Hunter Drew: another purple pill actual cuck who admits his (very plain-Jane) wife cheated on him and he readily took her back. Followed him on Twitter for a while but his tweets are just regurgitation of stuff that Roosh/Rollo/Heartiste figured out ages ago. But hey, he curses a lot, has a big beard and rolls in a cool Jeep, so he must be a male role model!

Socrates: also unfollowed on Twitter due to a total lack of originality. He’s pretty clearly a grifter.

Tanner Guzy: I’ve met him in person and he’s a very genuine family man (and he walks the walk, with a passel of kids and a pretty, feminine wife). His perspective is different, coming from patriarchal Mormon culture. I’ve vastly improved my appearance by listening to him for about six years now. Not sure on the blazer in the 21 Con materials, but Tanner is always experimenting with style, and he readily admits that it sometimes falls flat.

Texas Dom: just silly. The guy supposedly comes from the BDSM community. Basically all he’s doing is wrapping traditional male/female gender roles in a fetish bow, as if a wife being submissive to her husband is somehow radical and revolutionary.

Ivan Throne: haha, yeah, this guy. Yet more banal regurgitations of common red pill knowledge. He just puts a goofy pseudo-manly spin on it with cringe-inducing phrasing like “Look closely and you shall see, o wolves!” Gimme a break.

Goldmund Unleashed: I’ve also met him and he’s pretty legit. He has cool stories about overseas adventures, though his observations are limited in application (which he admits). If you want to know about “camera game” and ayahuasca ceremonies, though, he’s your guy.

George Bruno: this old guy isn’t even purple pill. His tweets are straight-up blue pill, though he’s admittedly a good speaker. Fancies himself a dapper “old school gentleman” and talks about pulling out chairs for women and other stuff from what Rollo calls the old set of books. Poor romantic advice in the current year, though his grooming advice does seem on point.

Bobby Dino: one-trick pony who did ten years in prison, and is still mentally living in the time before his long stay as a guest of the California taxpayers. Basically all he can talk about is his time in prison, and some of his tweets read like they were written by Steve Carell’s old “Prison Mike” character on The Office.

I had given some light thought to checking out 21 Con before this dust-up, but now I'll take a pass.
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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
Wait, what? Hunter Drew is a cuck too? Source?

In his speech in 2017, he said him and his wife "still f*** like pornstars".


Regardless, paying 2k to meet those mostly unremarkable is a joke.

Also, go check out Cortes' hair selfies on his Twitter/Instagram. Whippin his hair back and forth for his viewers to marvel at. What a fag.
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(06-17-2019 09:05 PM)Rorogue Wrote:  Wait, what? Hunter Drew is a cuck too? Source?

Yeah. He discussed it on a podcast and possibly on Twitter (I'm not scrolling back to check) half a year ago or so. Wife cheated on him and he took her back. Usual stuff about how it "made the marriage stronger," helped him see the error of his ways, etc. Sad!
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Oh brother...this is a petty and stupid thing to do.
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I'm not defending Rollo/Rational Male, but that meme is not a good look for the 21 Convention group.

For $2,500 bucks, that tells you all you need to know about Anthony Johnson because he just won't let it go and move on. Anthony's obviously taking everything too personal.
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Can anyone explain why this guy inserted the word “dream” into his name?
To me, that one detail alone strips him of any legitimacy.
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$2500 would give me three weeks at sailing school and I’d eat well in marina restaurants if I wasn’t at anchor in a secluded cove.

When will men learn?

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(06-18-2019 04:02 PM)Chetthebaker Wrote:  Can anyone explain why this guy inserted the word “dream” into his name?
To me, that one detail alone strips him of any legitimacy.




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(06-18-2019 03:52 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  Oh brother...this is a petty and stupid thing to do.
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I'm not defending Rollo/Rational Male, but that meme is not a good look for the 21 Convention group.

For $2,500 bucks, that tells you all you need to know about Anthony Johnson because he just won't let it go and move on. Anthony's obviously taking everything too personal.

Lol. All the comments are trashing him on that post.
What a dipshit.

The comments in this tweet are 'beautiful'.

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(06-18-2019 01:20 PM)MikeInRealLife Wrote:  
(06-17-2019 09:05 PM)Rorogue Wrote:  Wait, what? Hunter Drew is a cuck too? Source?

Yeah. He discussed it on a podcast and possibly on Twitter (I'm not scrolling back to check) half a year ago or so. Wife cheated on him and he took her back. Usual stuff about how it "made the marriage stronger," helped him see the error of his ways, etc. Sad!

Oh fuck. That is unforgivable. No wonder Rollo had a problem with a lot of these cats
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(06-15-2019 11:54 AM)Roosh Wrote:  
(06-14-2019 10:51 PM)Conquerer7 Wrote:  Interesting to see who is getting exposed now. Some interesting twitter threads on the Andrew Tate and the likes.

(06-15-2019 10:01 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  The 21 Con has completely gone back to purple pill. They're basically denying that hypergamy has a huge part to play (Bruno's and Cortes' Twitter), and encouraging being romantic.

I can't believe it. After Rollo saved Anthony's ass and career with the red pill stuff.

Links?

Hard to provide a link to it, but ADJ and George Bruno are liking lot of Pat Steadman's tweets. Steadman is known as purple pill personified, and was someone all of the Red Man Group guys used to mock.
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(06-14-2019 10:51 PM)Conquerer7 Wrote:  Interesting to see who is getting exposed now. Some interesting twitter threads on the Andrew Tate and the likes.

Tate's a pimp who rents out Romanian camwhores, some underage, and who beats the ones who don't get in line.

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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
Say what you want about this Rollo Tomassi guy but at least he's been providing more value to this part of the internet than most people and certainly a lot more than Anthony. People also tuned in to The Red Man Group show on YT to hear Rollo and others, while Anthony provided zero insight besides bragging about being a casanova.

How unprofessional, childish and outright disrespectful of him to posts several memes with him holding a sword in one hand and Rollo's head in another and this Fraudfather thing. Even more so considering how much more Rollo has contributed than Anthony.

Would you even want to give a childish asshole your money even if it seemed like a great event?
And some of the other guys there are selling expensive online courses such as "Body Language Mastery", "Triple your Tinder" and so on.

Seeing all this drama actually made me a bit more cynical about the world. So these are conservative men who are supposed to be more masculine and well-rounded men but then you realise most of them are just snake oil salesmen who gossip, bitch, backstab and handle drama worse than women. I thought they were better than this.
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