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(06-19-2019 10:36 AM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  Say what you want about this Rollo Tomassi guy but at least he's been providing more value to this part of the internet than most people and certainly a lot more than Anthony. People also tuned in to The Red Man Group show on YT to hear Rollo and others, while Anthony provided zero insight besides bragging about being a casanova.

How unprofessional, childish and outright disrespectful of him to posts several memes with him holding a sword in one hand and Rollo's head in another and this Fraudfather thing. Even more so considering how much more Rollo has contributed than Anthony.

Would you even want to give a childish asshole your money even if it seemed like a great event?
And some of the other guys there are selling expensive online courses such as "Body Language Mastery", "Triple your Tinder" and so on.

Seeing all this drama actually made me a bit more cynical about the world. So these are conservative men who are supposed to be more masculine and well-rounded men but then you realise most of them are just snake oil salesmen who gossip, bitch, backstab and handle drama worse than women. I thought they were better than this.

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"So, tickets to this event cost $2500. What can I expect in return?"

"Well, 13 different speakers will tell you that you need to lift weights and stop being a soyboy."

"Sounds good. Sign me up!"
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I get the whole “why would I spend a four figure sum to watch these chumps speak” POV, especially after the recent debacle. But I will say that I got a ton of value in meeting like-minded men IRL, which 21 Con facilitated well. Besides a Roosh meet-up (pretty much outlawed, we’ll see how his tour fares) or an RSD event maybe, where are you going to be around 100+ RP leaning guys? I made some really solid friends at the con, I actually met a couple guys who lived in the city I was moving to and one of them let me crash at his place for a few months while a got my bearings, which was huge. Met another guy who does cyber security who gave me a ton of good info on that stuff as well. So I do think a lot of value came from being in a place where there were a lot of guys who someone such as a reader from this forum would get along with. Not defending the speakers or ADJ (who I think is a tool) but just thought I’d throw in that perspective. As I mentioned earlier, it was cheap for me to attend, the whole weekend probably cost me about $1100 after food and alcohol, but I definitely wouldn’t pay $2K+ for a ticket.
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Yep, the lineups from 2017 and 2018 were very good. So was the energy that was coming from those guys. Very positive.

I can see how being around that mant alphas would've been inspiring.

Now Anthony has gone and fucked it up though. As Aurini alluded to, he has chased money and notoriety. Short term greed has led to the downfall of 21Con.

(06-19-2019 09:20 PM)BlastbeatCasanova Wrote:  I get the whole “why would I spend a four figure sum to watch these chumps speak” POV, especially after the recent debacle. But I will say that I got a ton of value in meeting like-minded men IRL, which 21 Con facilitated well. Besides a Roosh meet-up (pretty much outlawed, we’ll see how his tour fares) or an RSD event maybe, where are you going to be around 100+ RP leaning guys? I made some really solid friends at the con, I actually met a couple guys who lived in the city I was moving to and one of them let me crash at his place for a few months while a got my bearings, which was huge. Met another guy who does cyber security who gave me a ton of good info on that stuff as well. So I do think a lot of value came from being in a place where there were a lot of guys who someone such as a reader from this forum would get along with. Not defending the speakers or ADJ (who I think is a tool) but just thought I’d throw in that perspective. As I mentioned earlier, it was cheap for me to attend, the whole weekend probably cost me about $1100 after food and alcohol, but I definitely wouldn’t pay $2K+ for a ticket.
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Did Rollo explain why he invited the reporter?

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It was a humanitarian mission to save a lot of suckers a lot of money.

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Lol Cortes went to jail? Anyone know what for?
I'm surprised. He always struck me as a Jewish square.


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"In 2008, when I was a freshman in college, I was arrested on a non-violent felony charge, and I served two months of a three-month sentence in the county jail. I was released early for good behavior. I was 19 years old at the time. It was the first and last time I ever broke the law."

   
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A lot of people these days seem to put their jail time out there like it’s some kind of bad boy badge of honor. I understand that girls get wet from it but I think it’s really annoying when people keep bringing it up. We get it dude, you “served some time” and you’re way harder than all of us.
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Allegedly, he went to jail for check kiting.
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(06-21-2019 10:35 AM)samifon Wrote:  Allegedly, he went to jail for check kiting.

Serious? Where you hear that?
If so, a very Jewish thing to go to jail for. I thought it was his hard ass Mexican side that came out.


(06-21-2019 08:28 AM)BlastbeatCasanova Wrote:  A lot of people these days seem to put their jail time out there like it’s some kind of bad boy badge of honor. I understand that girls get wet from it but I think it’s really annoying when people keep bringing it up. We get it dude, you “served some time” and you’re way harder than all of us.

I went to rehab in 2013 and I thought that was hot shit to tell everyone. Then addiction/mental health issues became so prevalent in this clown world, and everyone and his dog started going. Not something to feel bad ass about anymore.
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I remember Cortez was somewhat ostracised from the lifting world after using the slur 'niglet' on facebook. I guess this is what he moved on to. . .
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(06-21-2019 10:35 AM)samifon Wrote:  Allegedly, he went to jail for check kiting.

It'd be more badass if he went to jail for assault or some other violent felony. Check kiting shows a lack of moral character.
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They are definitely committed to the story that Rollo Tomassi invited Nellie Bowles out to the cigar bar. If it is true, I can fully accept them taking Rollo off the speaker's list. But why did they wait to do this?





The "betrayal" happened in October 2018. Yet nothing was said about this until June 2019. So, what changed between October and June?

I don't think Rollo was trying to get into the sack with Nellie Bowles. Maybe he just wanted to get some press for himself?
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It's funny that Anthony always tweets "I will save western civilization and destroy feminism", yet freaks out when a reporter wants to talk to them.

If you're going to save western civilization, folks have to know who you are.
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[Image: ok.png]

Tactical soap is truly working on Anthony. But at least he is in shape unless Matt Forney.
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(06-25-2019 01:41 AM)Chiosboy90 Wrote:  [Image: ok.png]

Tactical soap is truly working on Anthony. But at least he is in shape unless Matt Forney.

Anyone who reads that and sees a stable role-model deserves to get ripped off by a charlatan or have their heart broken by a crazy woman.

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(06-21-2019 05:37 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  Lol Cortes went to jail? Anyone know what for?
I'm surprised. He always struck me as a Jewish square.


Edit: found the article

https://www.elitefts.com/education/training/on-failure/

"In 2008, when I was a freshman in college, I was arrested on a non-violent felony charge, and I served two months of a three-month sentence in the county jail. I was released early for good behavior. I was 19 years old at the time. It was the first and last time I ever broke the law."

He is another one of these scammer feel good life coaches. He’s 30 I think. His girlfriend is a 4 and 29/30. Only met her a year ago so sounds as if she’s had her fun then found a provider.
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Just saw his insta- I would say she's a 5.5 or 6 if you like Indian girls. Body seems good.
Still thought he could do better though for someone who tweets about how red pill men are bitter because they've never had a woman truly love them
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I have little doubt that Rollo was up to something with that reporter and he was probably using her to advance his profile while throwing the rest of these guys under the bus. None of the other guys have come to Rollo’s defense and Rollo himself has said very little about the whole thing. If he were being falsely accused, he would be far more vocal about proclaiming his innocence.

As far as it taking so long to go down, it could just be that it took that long to figure out what exactly was going on. Removing Rollo from this convention was not something you would do quickly without carefully investigating what happened. ADJ is a nutjob for sure but Rollo was undoubtedly undermining the other guys for the sake of his overbearing ego.
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(06-03-2019 01:27 AM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  A couple years ago when I was still allowed on Twitter, I had a very brief interaction with Rollo. He was attacking men who give up a hedonistic lifestyle in favor of a traditional one, using all kinds of name-calling and insulting invective. I tweeted to him, “Why don’t you talk to one of us about why we made that choice, instead of just attacking us with these kinds of blanket statements?” or something to that effect.

He blocked me in response, and I haven’t been able to respect him since. I was a huge fan during my red pill journey, but it seems he has an ideological ceiling that my question couldn’t pass.

Yeah... I bought his two books but still haven't gotten around to reading them. Listening to him on his podcasts recently he has a real knack of sending me to sleep so maybe that's why. Honestly, he just seems like a massive Keyboard-Jockey. Two books of theory, but actually, he's just a normal married guy with a daughter (who he describes as "extremely" good looking (I bet you a dollar she's like a 7 or so...)

I keep asking myself, why is this guy so obsessed with "Red Pill this, Red Pill that"? I honestly think he just lives his life vicariously through other pickup type guys because his own life is so sterile and fucking boring.

He had Andrew Tate on recently (he always loves having Andrew "Alpha" Tate on whenever he can... it's telling)

At one point Rollo got really excited and sycophantic when bringing up some recent gossip story about Tate and a slutty Instagram model he'd been dating - Rollo was trying to stay calm but was so clearly desperate to hear anything he could from Tate about "what's it like to date a model??" He seems starved to me - starved of sex, starved of hot women... typical family guy.

And his fucking fashion sense! His Goddamed sock hat he insists on wearing everywhere - Rollo! It's isn't the early 2000s anymore! You're not a college aged PUA! You're a dad. That's it. Grow up and get over this boyish obsession with being alpha and Red Pilled. It's fucking gay!


(06-07-2019 03:44 PM)Hammerhead Wrote:  This whole video shows some seriously lacking social skills among the group. Rollo's attire is ridiculous and no socially adept guy would dress like that. He looks like a skinny old man trying out some 2000's era affliction attire.




This is absolutely the most awful promotional video I've ever seen lol.... Strolling through a lobby with sunglasses on, wearing a cheap black suit and that fucking ridiculous "Make Women Great Again" hat. Meanwhile... Richard Cooper and Red Pill GOD, "Rollo Tomassi" are driving down the freeway in a weird beige-coloured Lamborghini... smh. Rollo with his 1980s inspired Miami Vice white jacket and his 2000s ere PUA sock-hat, covering his head of thinning grey hair... lol.

Fuck me it's cringe. "Dad's trying to be cool and relevant still" - just be fucking dads and be done with it. It's like a giant mid-life crisis captured on film.

The way they all shake hands at weird angles, each trying to put on a "dominant alpha posture" and without smiling too much - look at their awkward forced body-language as they ride the escalator... it's like they have all that shit from The Game constantly in their head ("OK, firm handshake, make strong eye contact, do NOT look away first! Legs apart, shoulder-width is fine, chest out, shoulders back, DON'T lean forwards!Hook thumbs into front pockets, arms by sides, DON'T HOLD DRINK TO CHEST! etc etc)

And what exactly is the problem with this organizer, Dream Johnson? Honestly I think he just has "little man syndrome" - in almost every photo, his idols tower above him. And so many of them are gay! He's probably a closet homo and is compensating by being THE MOST ALPHA OF ALL ALPHAS!

Look at how he dresses too; just emulating one of those real life action men, like Seal Team 6, but never having actually done anything manly or courageous in his life, ever! (apart from pose with some really big guns)

   

   


(06-08-2019 03:46 PM)loremipsum Wrote:  How am I to take Rational Male books seriously if the writer is so thirsty he's willing to sabotage a mens movement for a woman?
It's all nice and dandy words but what fruits did the tree produce.

This is absolutely it - Rollo is thirsty

(06-08-2019 05:36 PM)Sooth Wrote:  Masculinity is not a cigar, beard and muscles. Its virtue.

So true.

(06-11-2019 02:41 AM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  I think that having Ross Jeffries there somewhat invalidates whatever else they may be saying. I had dinner with him and a friend a couple of years ago, and meeting him in person was part of what made me realize how fruitless that path is in the long run. That’s not how I wanted to end up in my sixties, and it’s not how any other guy probably wants to end up either.

He is very charming and charismatic in a superficial way, but he is totally alone in the ways that matter.

Yeah man, I've met him several times too. He's an excellent speaker, as you say, very charismatic, but that's just the character of "Ross Jeffries" it's not really him. As a person, he is irritable, crabby, and rude. Really bitter too I suspect. Shame. But after all, he is one of (((them)))

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Haven't been following this drama but got curious and only just found this thread. What a shit show.

ADJ - I watched a few of the Red Pill vids a while back where he was moderating but never thought he had much to add to the conversation and came across as a try hard wannabe. Kept peppering his vocabulary with superfluous profanity in a lame attempt to sound tough. Probably wears cargo pants every day, knife in the right pocket, and has a Jeep Rubicon parked out back with Punisher decals all over it. Douchebag.

Andrew Tate - probably borrows said Rubicon when he's not busy selling bullshit courses and bragging about his (likely exaggerated) life online.

Richard Cooper - actually has useful content on his channel and reportedly walks the walk. He separated from the 21 convention over something about ADJ not wanting to restrict people from bringing guns to the group. That's not being a leftist Canadian, that's just being a sensible millionaire. If something went down because some 'sperg incel attendee flipped out and shot somebody, who do you thing gets sued? It won't be basement dwelling ADJ and his rented Lamborghini.

Rollo - what a pity as he's written some great content. Aruni pointed out that the pie got smaller with all the bans and deplatforming. I recall Rollo tweeting about how bad it was when Roosh got deplatformed by Amazon, but ever since then there's been an uptick in jabs Rollo throws at Roosh on podcasts. He's distancing himself, throwing people like Roosh and Illimitable Man under the bus to keep the benjamins flowing in. He took a while before showing his face online since he was working a regular job, so now he's likely scared of losing an income stream and feels the need to cuck out now and then.

Rollo did a video series not long ago about Red Pill and Religion where he interviewed several theologians from different faiths, but the fact he discussed Catholicism yet never crossed paths with E Michael Jones is conspicuously obvious. EMJs videos and books are on fire lately so it'd be hard not to run across him if Rollo was doing any real research. He's probably too afraid to go near someone seen as controversial or painted by the oligarchs as an antisemite. Rollo is really that petrified of being deplatformed.

Rollo has to choose between wisdom (talking to EMJ) and the accepted narrative (catering to NYT reporter chick) if he wants to make more hay while the Red Pill sun shines. Sad.

Jonathan from Modern Life Dating piled on with the teasing of Roosh a bit in one vid with Rollo and a few others, but I think he backed off a bit all around with the shit talking since getting shafted by ADJ. He was wise to distance himself from the 21 nonsense.

Donovan Sharpe - also decent content and entertaining to listen to. He's still involved with the 21 group though, which makes me wonder.

AJ Cortes - He tweeted in different semi-political directions years ago trying to find his mission as a "life coach." Basically a low level Mike Cernovich.

Ross Jeffries is a master of NLP, but he's also a case study of how being an untreated sex addict can lead to a dead end existence. I bought his book back in the early 90s when I was a young 20 something but grew out of it. Meanwhile he's on the same hamster wheel - smh, indeed. Not surprising ADJ called him - probably scraping the bottom of the barrel for speakers now.

I sure as shit ain't paying to see any of these people, especially not for $2500. Pfft...

Richard Cooper commented not long ago about how so many people in the social media personality community that talk a big game really don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. No money, ugly girlfriends, no real skills other than separating fools from their money. I think he was talking about Cortes as much as he was ADJ, and probably that guy Socrates too (seriously, you're going to call yourself Socrates-? Why not Zeus?)

This syndrome of speakers trying to cash in on a trend isn't unique to the 'sphere. Back in the 2008 economic crunch there were all kinds of doomsday economics gurus - some legit, some not - pushing everything from books to videos to appearances at pricey conferences. Gold, peak oil, hyperinflation, etc. Nuggets of good info mixed in with boat loads of hype. I would not be surprised of ADJ was involved with them at some point since he has a bit of a cultish dedication to Ron Paul and loves Ayn Rand and identifies as a libtardian.

Libertarianism seems appealing at first glance but in the end winds up revealing itself as a rootless, morally bankrupt tool of the oligarchs to push legal weed, porno everywhere, open borders, etc. ADJ got lost in that and wound up with a secret prostitute wife. Hard to have any sympathy.

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(08-03-2019 12:07 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  Ross Jeffries is a master of NLP, but he's also a case study of how being an untreated sex addict can lead to a dead end existence. I bought his book back in the early 90s when I was a young 20 something but grew out of it. Meanwhile he's on the same hamster wheel - smh, indeed. Not surprising ADJ called him - probably scraping the bottom of the barrel for speakers now.

Anthony Johnson has a Facebook called "Becoming the Ideal Man." Anthony made a post on 18 June referring to Rollo as the "fraudfather." Ross responded: "I suggest you let it go. I’ve been here. It won’t end up helping your credibility. Man up." Then Ross commented: "I warned you about Tomassi and you didn’t. You aren’t listening now. I’m outta here. Remove me please. Better things to do."

So, I don't know if Ross is still involved or not.
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Did Rollo ever get around to explaining why he invited that girl? From the little I've seen, he seems to be in the right with the exception of this issue. Granted, it's a big issue, but what else are people shitting on him for?

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According to the earlier vid from the 21 people - for whatever that's worth - bringing along the NYT reporter would be tantamount to doxxing the speakers and attendees. Probably some truth to that; you can't expect honest reporting from an SJW sympathetic "news" reporter about issues affecting heterosexual men or their interests.

That, and it reeked of succumbing to female entryism, something that Rollo is supposedly aware enough to avoid. It was seen as a sellout, by the sounds of it.

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RE: Anyone going to the 21 Convention
For $2,500, I just can't take him seriously.

The Rollo drama continues into the month of August.

08-03-2019 04:23 PM
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