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highly doubtful as trump has frequently expressed extreme anti-drug feelings, played up his straight edge lifestyle, expressed sympathy for duterte's extrajudicial killings of drug dealers, etc. That and would face massive resistance from a Session's led justice department, who is about as old school anti-pot as it comes.
11-04-2018 05:31 PM
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It would be smart for Trump because then the democrats couldn't run on legalization.

That's probably one of the main reasons why Trudeau beat Harper.
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Canada legalized a couple of weeks ago, apparently Ted Nugent thinks we're crazy:
Ted Nugent: Canada Is Absolutely Crazy for Legalizing Marijuana. Justin Trudeau Is Comfortably Numb "When you're comfortably numb, you make stupid decisions," the guitarist says."
Quote:"Canada's absolutely crazy. I love my Canadian friends, but [Justin] Trudeau [the Prime Minister of Canada] is comfortably numb. And when you're comfortably numb, you make stupid decisions.

"I would just propose to you that after 70 years of the American Dream of being the best that I can be enforced by disciplining parents that loved me, to be the best that I can be, I have never seen one moment of a positive outcome from someone getting high.

"Who do you want high? Your babysitter? How about your kid's bus driver, how about your pilot? Your dentist, comfortably numb? How about the cops, high?

"It's unbelievable that you could possibly witness the heartbreak and destroyed lives from people being comfortably numb and high and the loss of life and the loss of dignity and the tragic vapor trail of substance abuse, and then actually pursue it.

"I'm all for medical marijuana, I'm all for medical anything as long as it's really beneficial for people suffering from health issues. But to legalize recreational comfortably numb is a guaranteed script for ruined lives.

"The recreational drug legalization in Colorado has created a near 200% increase in highway fatalities and injuries. And just all kinds of tragedy and heartbreak and ruined lives and destruction - I'm not for any of that.

"I'm for being the best that you can be, which can only be accomplished when you call upon all your gifts from God to maximize your awareness, your conscientious behavior, and accountable conduct so that you can be an asset to your family, neighbors, fellow man, and the good Earth instead of the comfortably numb liability.

"Now people will squawk and piss and moan that I'm a nasty guy and I'm against freedom and against individual choice. Well, I'm all for freedom, but if that includes shitting in the water upstream from my pursuit of happiness, you will have to relocate your shitting procedures.

"You can't poop upstream from my American dream, or my Canadian dream. You'll have to poop somewhere where it doesn't flow downstream to other people's lives. And in the use and the abuse of substances, I'm sorry, there are no winners. Period."

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I don't think there's anyone who currently won't vote for Trump who would change their vote based on legalization.
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There's more special interest money that can be extracted out of the issue by politicians if its legalized sloooooooooowly...baby steps.
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This is bullshit. LEGALIZE COCAINE NOW!!!

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If Trump does legalize weed, I'd like to see him do more support for liberal causes like LGBT equality just to hear the RHEEEING from the Democrats saying "But we're supposed to do that, not Republicans!"
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(11-04-2018 06:57 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  I don't think there's anyone who currently won't vote for Trump who would change their vote based on legalization.

Trump's black approval is already soaring. Dominating space on this and criminal justice reform and other drug stuff could push it higher.

Remember, we only need to get about 15% of the black vote and its over for Democrats. Trump should do this and end the war on drugs just for those reasons.

Also, because the war on drugs has fueled much of the violence down south that's pushing people to rush toward the border. The war on drugs fuels illegal immigration in addition to all the domestic problems it's caused.

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(11-04-2018 07:42 PM)Kurgan Wrote:  If Trump does legalize weed, I'd like to see him do more support for liberal causes like LGBT equality just to hear the RHEEEING from the Democrats saying "But we're supposed to do that, not Republicans!"

LGBT already have equal (or more) rights. If Trump came out fighting hard for "Tranny/Rug Muncher/Sodomite Equality plus Extra Rights to sue if you are fired for being an insane piece of shit" I would never vote again in my life (for anyone.)
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I live in a legalized state and it's not a problem at all. Nobody cares either way.
Those who used to buy pot from drug dealers now have a huge choice of places to go to now, and those who didn't probably still don't, but at least if they want to they don't have to go buy from some shady fuck on the corner.
The town I live in doesn't have any dispensaries, but the town over does. Both towns are way out in the foothills and both are pretty republican red, very conservative.

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(11-04-2018 05:31 PM)Jeans Wrote:  highly doubtful as trump has frequently expressed extreme anti-drug feelings, played up his straight edge lifestyle, expressed sympathy for duterte's extrajudicial killings of drug dealers, etc. That and would face massive resistance from a Session's led justice department, who is about as old school anti-pot as it comes.

There are lots of studies showing the benefits of cannabis/weed for medicinal purposes - all he has to say is that the science supports it.
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(11-04-2018 08:45 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  I live in a legalized state and it's not a problem at all. Nobody cares either way.
Those who used to buy pot from drug dealers now have a huge choice of places to go to now, and those who didn't probably still don't, but at least if they want to they don't have to go buy from some shady fuck on the corner.
The town I live in doesn't have any dispensaries, but the town over does. Both towns are way out in the foothills and both are pretty republican red, very conservative.

The odd thing is that I don't smoke as much as I used to now that it's legal where I live. Like every few months or so I get a hankering and buy a dime bag. The problem with it is the same as for alcohol, some people can't handle it and smoke too much, but it's hypocritical to have legal alcohol and illegal weed when alcohol is equally if not more destructive.

That said, I know that boomers get spooked by legalizing weed so it seems like a bad issue for a politician to take up unless you live in a liberal shithole like me.
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(11-04-2018 06:57 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  I don't think there's anyone who currently won't vote for Trump who would change their vote based on legalization.

No, they wouldn't because the Dems will run on legalizing it. But if Trump also says he will legalize weed, it will take away some of the energy of liberal voters.
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(11-04-2018 07:42 PM)Kurgan Wrote:  If Trump does legalize weed, I'd like to see him do more support for liberal causes like LGBT equality just to hear the RHEEEING from the Democrats saying "But we're supposed to do that, not Republicans!"

LGBT already have equal (or more) rights. If Trump came out fighting hard for "Tranny/Rug Muncher/Sodomite Equality plus Extra Rights to sue if you are fired for being an insane piece of shit" I would never vote again in my life (for anyone.)

He could ban/restrict the Gay Panic defence in murder cases.
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It would also be a huge boost to the economy.

The numbers are already there anyway, but it's all off the books.
If it's legalized, it would become part of the official economic data and create tons of jobs and opportunities for small businesses.
That's part of Trump's agenda.

In that case there would also be a big, fat plus in taxes. Maybe America's stoners are going to pay for the wall. Or Mexico, by losing out on this part of the drug trade.
Promises made, promises kept!

Trump also wants to reduce the price of prescription drugs.
If you can grow your painkillers in your backyard, that certainly contributes.

It might also lead to a decrease in opioid consumption and help to solve this nasty crisis.
Also part of Trump's agenda.

So it definitely is an idea worthy of some consideration.
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11-05-2018 04:28 AM
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I'm all for it and think it would be brilliant of Trump to do away with the archaic treatment of Cannabis by the federal govt. The fact that it's still illegal must be costing us in the billions per year (keeping people in jails, pumping out negative propaganda, paying organizations like the DEA to chase this boogyman).

Not only does legal Cannabis hold huge upside for the economic and national health benefits to the country, but it could also be a massive unifying moment because so many people on both sides of the political spectrum see eye to eye and feel passionate about this topic.

Medical/recreational cannabis products aside, the potential for industrial hemp are incredible, that alone could change the way many of us consume and live. Its win win.











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Cannabis can help people but pot heads are not going to change their habits except go buy next to a Wallmart and get some food while they're at it.

This wont make any difference on people taking drugs which leads down to harder stuff. Humans will always seek a way to blow their brains out without dying for it.
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(11-05-2018 04:28 AM)Belgrano Wrote:  It would also be a huge boost to the economy.

The numbers are already there anyway, but it's all off the books.
If it's legalized, it would become part of the official economic data and create tons of jobs and opportunities for small businesses.
That's part of Trump's agenda.

In that case there would also be a big, fat plus in taxes. Maybe America's stoners are going to pay for the wall. Or Mexico, by losing out on this part of the drug trade.
Promises made, promises kept!

Trump also wants to reduce the price of prescription drugs.
If you can grow your painkillers in your backyard, that certainly contributes.

It might also lead to a decrease in opioid consumption and help to solve this nasty crisis.
Also part of Trump's agenda.

So it definitely is an idea worthy of some consideration.

The sweet candy sugar on top is that legal weed KILLS left wing activism. Stoned activists are unmotivated activists, especially when they've been robbed of one of their keystone issues. Few other things have the potential to defang the leftist beast than giving them this win.

As soon as they won gay marriage they pivotted effortlessly to inserting tranny CoCs everywhere. Where do they pivot after legal weed? Probably something unpopular with overdosable needle drugs, because Trump already has the popular position on overdosable needle drugs.

The cannabis folk have been greatly aided by the fact that a plant named weed grows like a weed. Before High Times became just another advertising delivery vehicle, their schtick was spreading information on how to grow these easy to grow plants. Cocaine is a full blown commercial crop requiring intense mass cultivation, opium as well. Cannabis will thrive in an undersized pot on the patio, prohibition and enforcement are a potentially infinite money sink. As long as federal legalization under Trump includes wide freedoms for home growers, it makes the state governments the villains when they go more restrictive or implement fucked up dispensary schemes.

Here in Uruguay there's still the ubiquitous black market brick weed from Paraguay because the Uruguayos are not an industrious people. Weed also isn't particularly cool, because there's no outlaw rebel catchet. Tourist find the novelty of weed cool, and there is definitely a weed fandom here... but without the threat of the law cracking down on anyone who isn't driving a trunk full of Paraguay into Punta del Este... there is no outlaw cool. It's just another vice.

Legalization actually reveal how uncool a lot of the stoners are when they lack the social skills and connections to do anything other than mope when official distribution channels are dry. Few things are more pathetic than long lines of would be stoners outside a boliche waiting for a marijuana fairy to accidentally hook them up while the party is inside. Also, the number of people who smoke joints without being able to exhibit any skill in rolling is an indictment of your average person's mediocrity.

There also isn't a lot of non-Cannabis drug use by people who haven't come into an addiction to specific other drugs. I suspect a lot of people just want to get fucked up and back in old country the path of least resistance was getting fucked up on whatever they could talk the doctor out of. Here in Uruguay there are a number of different medical systems you can enroll in and they are all united by the fact they have to fit their operations into a concrete budget instead of sucking infinite money out of the Obamacare printing press. I am much happier with my chosen healthcare system than I was with price routlette in the US, but doctors don't hand out painkillers like candy.

;tldr From my legal weed perch I see no impact from legalization that would not assist MAGA. Let the Pantsuit NPCs stone themselves off the chessboard.
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Weed would be a great chesspiece to use for 2020.

For a Republican/Trump to do with, it would reminisce of "Nixon goes to China"

"Trump legalizes Weed"

DUDE WEED LMAO

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(11-05-2018 11:49 PM)Emancipator Wrote:  Weed would be a great chesspiece to use for 2020.

For a Republican/Trump to do with, it would reminisce of "Nixon goes to China"

"Trump legalizes Weed"

DUDE WEED LMAO

The catch is federal legalization ought to be very broad with few rules letting the state governments catch all the aggro. Leave limits on personal possession and plant counts for home growers up to the states. How it will burn if Gavin Newsom's KKKalifornia has harsher rules than Trump's America. If there are limits on cultivation without some sort of registration it should resemble the occasional proposals in Paraguay offering triple digit numbers of plants instead of Canada's stingy 4, KKKalifornia and Colorado's 6, or liberal Uruguay's 6 mature plants.

Pantsuits have been pushing Federalism on Cannabis and Cannabis only. How delicious if Trump goes for maximum room for the states to distinguish themselves and once again the "blue" states find themselves least free.

The prospect of legal weed is likely why Obama beat Hillary and won twice. Marijuana legalization is a wedge issue the legacy GOP loses on by supporting prohibition and the MAGA Trumpreich can win on by plucking all the soyboy testicle remnants and frying up those left coast oysters. Also Trump gets to play the "Restoring the Party of Lincoln" card with black voters.

I see zero. Abso-fucking-lutely zero loses political, economical, or other downsides to principled conservatives and MAGAmen from cannabis legalization. Maybe a couple hippies who were afraid to expand their black market micro grows do to moderate profits, but profit seeking MAGAmen are likely to oppress them with economics. In a truly de-regulated weed market profit margins are going to be low because the shit is so fucking easy to grow, even if you introduce testing for contaminants. Growing shit where one hit bakes you out of your mind is a solved problem, and no amount of DEA enforcement is putting that genie back in the bottle. consistently producing mellow shit is likely where the big revenue opportunities will be.

A bunch of already marginal people and people who are too big of pussies to do that without the law's approval are going to stone themselves out of society, and I think this is a good thing. A lot of retirees are going to keep themselves comfortably numb and giggly as they go through their twilight years, and a bunch of people who drink in moderation might play with an alternate night cap.

The ruling Fat Forehead coalition here in Uruguay has never been as weak as they are now going into the 2019 elections. We have two people, one from the new Partido de la Gente and one invested in the state cannabis business from the Partido Nacional who can channel the great again spirit into the general election. The Fat Forehead coalition's leaders and base are smoking far too much to be effective.

I pray that Trump gets the margins this mid term to open this shit up to meaningful differences between state laws so that I may return to old country and savor the tears of my enemies

For the curious here are the effects of legal marijuana on game and social status:

  1. If you lack the social connections to get weed at any time, you lose 1-3 points for being a loser.
  2. If you are a long term resident growing your own cannabis you gain 0.25 points after you have a harvest that you can say with a straight face is to your preferences. Otherwise no movement.
  3. If you try to grow weed and suck you lose 5 points because holy shit it is called weed for a reason. It grows itself unless smothered by dumbassery.
  4. Ownership of bing and pipes adds the slightest status if you keep them clean and subtracts substantially if they are dirty. A gross bong can take a higher beta or lower alpha down to nearly incel status if they try playing stoner game.
  5. Being able to consistently roll quality joints is good for a +1, being bad a rolling joints is only -0.5

Growing your own weed puts you roughly on the level of a homebrewer who is about as likely to get pigeonholed as a nerd as they are likely to gain respect in a legal jurisdiction. An extensive collection of paraphernalia is if not meticulously cared for is capable of being as much of a social handicap as anime fuck pillows, and being able to roll a good joint is a small plus.

This ramble is brought to you not by weed, but old fashioned Venezualean rum and Cuban cigars. I have shit to do tomorrow.
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Canada's personal plant limit of four is indeed a bit stingy but modern growing methods can definitely produce enough bud per plant to keep a guy happy all year:




Also, in Canada it is legal to "share" cannabis, I really can't see myself buying much weed in the future because so many of my friends will be growing and I'd rather smoke theirs for free than buy corporate bud. It's still nice to be able to go to a local pot shop and buy a single gram if I want to but at $8-12 ($6-9 USD) it's a bit expensive when I can just go online and order an ounce for $85 ($65 USD) and it'll show up at my door in three days.

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I bet the 4 plant limit will rarely ever be enforced. But if someone is really concerned about playing by the rules they shouldn't have a problem pulling a lb or more off of some outdoor monster.
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