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RE: Please explain to me where this 80/20, Chad theory comes from
(12-02-2018 12:39 AM)tugofpeace Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 08:50 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  Chad is also the guy that rocks up in the Bugatti Veyron drawing all the attention with no effort from the females and convinces your girlfriend to go for a ride with little resistance.

He is the Boss of the Corporation that has all the cute office girls scurrying for his favor and attention when he enters the room, gratuitously flirting.

Something an average looking, average wealth low status man has little chance of competitively overcoming no matter how strong the smooth pickup lines and confidence he leverages.

Chad has little to do with money.

Look at that black dude that got out of jail and got a modeling gig - as far as I remember, he married a billionaire or something of that sort

Why did you snip out the part ignoring the handsome blue collar (not rich) window cleaner that I used as an example.

Ive seen all three examples have numerous women gagging and desperately offering their vagina's to such men. That to me, is a Chad, often used as a term for men swimming in pussy that would probably laugh at the idea of having to study game to attract women.
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(12-02-2018 05:16 AM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  
(12-02-2018 12:39 AM)tugofpeace Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 08:50 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  Chad is also the guy that rocks up in the Bugatti Veyron drawing all the attention with no effort from the females and convinces your girlfriend to go for a ride with little resistance.

He is the Boss of the Corporation that has all the cute office girls scurrying for his favor and attention when he enters the room, gratuitously flirting.

Something an average looking, average wealth low status man has little chance of competitively overcoming no matter how strong the smooth pickup lines and confidence he leverages.

Chad has little to do with money.

Look at that black dude that got out of jail and got a modeling gig - as far as I remember, he married a billionaire or something of that sort

Why did you snip out the part ignoring the handsome blue collar (not rich) window cleaner that I used as an example.

Ive seen all three examples have numerous women gagging and desperately offering their vagina's to such men. That to me, is a Chad, often used as a term for men swimming in pussy that would probably laugh at the idea of having to study game to attract women.

My apologies, I missed the "also" in the sentence where you mentioned the Bugatti. Totally agree.
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RE: Please explain to me where this 80/20, Chad theory comes from
(12-01-2018 10:34 AM)Dantes Wrote:  All this analysis about what percentiles men fall into is futile. It was mentioned here recently (I forget by which poster) that women assess attractiveness in binary terms-they are either attracted to you or not. That is just how they are wired. They don't rate men on scale of 1-10 unless they are forced into it in a contrived way. Besides, while looks are important it is just one factor- one factor in what drives dating habits of women. For men you don't have to have model looks or be at whatever stupid percentile you select as a cutoff-you just have to be attractive enough, not to get ruled out.

The OP is likely over-rating the women he is referring to being with sub-average to average looking men in Chicago. Men are guilty of falling into the pre-selection habit just like women. Furthermore, he should focus more attention on women who are actually suitable targets to pursue. I spent a little time in Chicago and there are plenty of single cute women to focus on. The city is wide open from my estimate.

With that said, lets assume they are legit cute girls (e.g. 7),-it isn't difficult to figure out. They are probably mid-western girls who have prioritized men who are more suitable for a LTR. The men the OP describes while likely herbs are a safe bet-they are good worker bees, all of their non-work mental energy is spent on watching and discussing sports. They will accompany their girlfriends to baby showers, brunches with friends, work barbecues, and pose for goofy pictures with a plastered fake smile on. Again, they are a safe bet. The riskiest behavior they might undertake is drinking too much beer at a sports bar with their friends. If they lock down their high school or college sweetheart, they are unlikely to stray. They live a boring, nondescript life-which is safe for a woman who prioritizes a LTR. Respect for those women who lock down a beta-herb early in life and can avoid the Instagram nonsense about living and "exciting life" and finding yourself in your 20s.

Thing about this -- these "herbs" are still essentially locking down attractive women and having reasonably good relationships with them. This in my mind is at least as respectable as being a "dark triad alpha" who slays Instagram thots. Maybe they don't elicit the animalistic passion that a legitimate "dark triad alpha" would, but they're still doing completely fine for themselves.

I've noticed a lot of condescencion towards these "herbs" from PUAs and others in the manosphere. At worst, it's jealous sour grapes -- at best, it's just a flawed and insecure perception of how actual sexual dynamics work.

I agree that relative to the pool of women who are routinely trying to hook up or lead a promiscuous YOLO lifestyle, there is a small percent of the male population that actually hooks up with them. But limiting the conversation to this slice of the population is stupid IMO -- since there are millions more people who are in relatively satisfying relationships.

This is purely my subjective understanding of things, but I've seen it play out in every environment I've ever lived in (from liberal big city environments to smaller suburbs). I would say that 20% of the men are actively single and trying to hook up, maybe 60% are in relationships, and maybe another 20% get no action at all. This is a very rough estimate, but it is what I have observed.

I also have an interesting story to share. There's been some discussion on here about how some men are uber-players who have women begging to fuck them. The reality is that more men than you think are actually in this role. I was shooting the shit with two of my coworkers. One was an average-looking white guy, the other an average-looking Indian guy. Both were telling me about how they had girls blowing up their phones, begging to suck them off...it wasn't happening constantly, but they definitely did have some girls who were crazy about them.

Point is, all the "5%" shit that people are discussing here is not limited to some tiny percentage of the population...it's actually pretty accessible and common.

Alpha and beta is also a terrible binary, most people are a little bit of both...I know very few people who cleanly fit into either category. On top of that the definitions for both are hardly set in stone. For some, cheating on their LTR's is "alpha" -- to me and many others, it's not.

All in all, huge parts of the red pill framework are pretty inaccurate. Game is legit, but a lot of the beliefs in the community are not. Guys like LINUX mention this in their posts...it's telling how more experienced guys can generally recognize the bullshit so to speak.
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RE: Please explain to me where this 80/20, Chad theory comes from
Has anyone mentioned the Diet Coke man?


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RE: Please explain to me where this 80/20, Chad theory comes from
(12-01-2018 05:33 AM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  This is Chad Thundercock. The Alpha Buddha.





Pay close attention to his natural frame control and not giving a fuck attitude.

I remember when the manosphere big guns like Rollo and Roissy wrote about this guy, who just happens to be from my city. I immediately realised that our manosphere gurus sometimes talk absolute bullshit and overplay their Red Pill analyses. You should take anything they say with a grain of salt.

This bogan boy didn't fuck anything but his hands and ugly bogan chicks. Yes he had the IDGAF attitude, but he's a skinny little bogan faggot with bugger all masculinity and sexual desirability. He's nowhere near any hottie, that I can tell you. If you like Aussie bogan girls, knock yourself out (in fact I'm sure bogan girls would often knock out little Corey here just for fun), but I doubt you know what you're getting yourself into, and I'm not just talking about the horrid accent...

Sometimes people can take this Red Pill theory too far and completely lose their common sense. Please, do yourself a favour and never bring up this "Apha Buddha" as a shining example of Game ever again.

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Seriously BadBoyGamer thinks that this guy is fucking 8s and 9s???

This guy is just a retard. Of course, he can fuck some young girls but not the best. He is not definitely a Pussy's slayer.
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(12-03-2018 12:19 PM)Zoso Wrote:  Seriously BadBoyGamer thinks that this guy is fucking 8s and 9s???

This guy is just a retard. Of course, he can fuck some young girls but not the best. He is not definitely a Pussy's slayer.

You are putting words in my mouth.

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(12-01-2018 05:33 AM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  
real98 Wrote:what exactly do people consider a chad?

This is Chad Thundercock. The Alpha Buddha.





Pay close attention to his natural frame control and not giving a fuck attitude.

I guess it from this post. Correct me if I am wrong.
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RE: Please explain to me where this 80/20, Chad theory comes from
Look. I don't know if the dude actually fucks girls. He could be a virgin for I know. All I am saying is that a guy like this ought to be banging loads of chicks. His appearance and behaviours in the video are as much Chad as anyone can be.

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RE: Please explain to me where this 80/20, Chad theory comes from
(12-03-2018 01:00 PM)Zoso Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 05:33 AM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  
real98 Wrote:what exactly do people consider a chad?

This is Chad Thundercock. The Alpha Buddha.





Pay close attention to his natural frame control and not giving a fuck attitude.

I guess it from this post. Correct me if I am wrong.

You should read this post, which is what BadBoyGamer is referring to:
https://therationalmale.com/2011/10/20/alpha/

Rollo elevates Corey as an example not because of him as a person, but rather his attitude towards life.

What he does in real life doesn't matter. He is an abstraction of an archetype.

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(12-01-2018 05:33 AM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  
real98 Wrote:what exactly do people consider a chad?

This is Chad Thundercock. The Alpha Buddha.





Pay close attention to his natural frame control and not giving a fuck attitude.

This is a classic r-selected alpha.

A British version:





One valid criticism of Roissy (made by Krauser already) is that a lot of game advice (as well as the advice on this forum) applies mainly to gaming highly r-selected women in coastal american cities. It's less applicable outside of the US or the anglosphere generally. However, his general redpills on women are universal.
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Ok, BBG. I must admite i got you in the wrong way.
Indeed, he has an IDGAF attitude, but i dont think he is cleaning the field.
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RE: Please explain to me where this 80/20, Chad theory comes from
Oak, I agree with you about the attitude.

About the advice that applies mainly for the USA, i think as well it's accurate.
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RE: Please explain to me where this 80/20, Chad theory comes from
(12-03-2018 03:37 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 05:33 AM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  This is Chad Thundercock. The Alpha Buddha.





Pay close attention to his natural frame control and not giving a fuck attitude.

I remember when the manosphere big guns like Rollo and Roissy wrote about this guy, who just happens to be from my city. I immediately realised that our manosphere gurus sometimes talk absolute bullshit and overplay their Red Pill analyses. You should take anything they say with a grain of salt.

This bogan boy didn't fuck anything but his hands and ugly bogan chicks. Yes he had the IDGAF attitude, but he's a skinny little bogan faggot with bugger all masculinity and sexual desirability. He's nowhere near any hottie, that I can tell you. If you like Aussie bogan girls, knock yourself out (in fact I'm sure bogan girls would often knock out little Corey here just for fun), but I doubt you know what you're getting yourself into, and I'm not just talking about the horrid accent...

Sometimes people can take this Red Pill theory too far and completely lose their common sense. Please, do yourself a favour and never bring up this "Apha Buddha" as a shining example of Game ever again.

Very true, that Aussie kid Corey married a below average fairly ugly gal and quite young. Lays cement for a living. Not a role model for anyone.
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Thanks Corsega, for digging up that blog post.

Rollo explains it great.

Oak Wrote:


Yup. Another Chad. And here you can see the whole dynamics, including the double standards (shaming for/from the beta).

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@Oak I watched 2 seasons of ex on the beach with this guy, he's so funny in an awkward way. He's a born comedian. He knows he can get away with a lot because he's a good-looking guy and he makes the girls laugh. But for real though, what's wrong with UK girls in every tv show being full of plastic. Fake lips, fake boobs, a kilo makeup on the face etc
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(12-03-2018 03:37 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 05:33 AM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  This is Chad Thundercock. The Alpha Buddha.





Pay close attention to his natural frame control and not giving a fuck attitude.

I remember when the manosphere big guns like Rollo and Roissy wrote about this guy, who just happens to be from my city. I immediately realised that our manosphere gurus sometimes talk absolute bullshit and overplay their Red Pill analyses. You should take anything they say with a grain of salt.

This bogan boy didn't fuck anything but his hands and ugly bogan chicks. Yes he had the IDGAF attitude, but he's a skinny little bogan faggot with bugger all masculinity and sexual desirability. He's nowhere near any hottie, that I can tell you. If you like Aussie bogan girls, knock yourself out (in fact I'm sure bogan girls would often knock out little Corey here just for fun), but I doubt you know what you're getting yourself into, and I'm not just talking about the horrid accent...

Sometimes people can take this Red Pill theory too far and completely lose their common sense. Please, do yourself a favour and never bring up this "Apha Buddha" as a shining example of Game ever again.
Absolutely mate..Worthington is the one thing that I could not take when it came to Red pill.
He is a fuckwit an Arse clown no way is he an Aussie Alpha.

His answers in the interview are class arse clown 101 ..

Rollo and the Yanks take their American Lens and look at Worthington mistaking it for their culture..

The real Alphas then went after Worthington to beat the fuck out of him and of course he ejected and married a fat chick.

I actually did a poll at work about him on the sly. Not one bloke thought he was Alpha..Fuckwit was the most common answer.

I actually lived near him and it blew me away Yanks thought he was Alpha..I could not fathom it.
If he said anything in that interview he would of really got his head kicked in.So he actually played safe like a good school boy would...

Aussies legally drink at 18 houses parties are not a big deal and it was only cause a cop car got damaged it made headlines.

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(12-03-2018 03:25 PM)Green-On-GO Wrote:  
(12-03-2018 03:37 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 05:33 AM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  This is Chad Thundercock. The Alpha Buddha.





Pay close attention to his natural frame control and not giving a fuck attitude.

I remember when the manosphere big guns like Rollo and Roissy wrote about this guy, who just happens to be from my city. I immediately realised that our manosphere gurus sometimes talk absolute bullshit and overplay their Red Pill analyses. You should take anything they say with a grain of salt.

This bogan boy didn't fuck anything but his hands and ugly bogan chicks. Yes he had the IDGAF attitude, but he's a skinny little bogan faggot with bugger all masculinity and sexual desirability. He's nowhere near any hottie, that I can tell you. If you like Aussie bogan girls, knock yourself out (in fact I'm sure bogan girls would often knock out little Corey here just for fun), but I doubt you know what you're getting yourself into, and I'm not just talking about the horrid accent...

Sometimes people can take this Red Pill theory too far and completely lose their common sense. Please, do yourself a favour and never bring up this "Apha Buddha" as a shining example of Game ever again.
Absolutely mate..Worthington is the one thing that I could not take when it came to Red pill.
He is a fuckwit an Arse clown no way is he an Aussie Alpha.

His answers in the interview are class arse clown 101 ..

Rollo and the Yanks take their American Lens and look at Worthington mistaking it for their culture..

The real Alphas then went after Worthington to beat the fuck out of him and of course he ejected and married a fat chick.

I actually did a poll at work about him on the sly. Not one bloke thought he was Alpha..Fuckwit was the most common answer.

I actually lived near him and it blew me away Yanks thought he was Alpha..I could not fathom it.
If he said anything in that interview he would of really got his head kicked in.So he actually played safe like a good school boy would...

Aussies legally drink at 18 houses parties are not a big deal and it was only cause a cop car got damaged it made headlines.

The hate here seems a lot like redpill rage.

The attitude he has in that interview is r-selected alpha. His physique is irrelevant. Also, his frame control is very good in that interview.

Men who behave like that are often very successful with hot western women. It's a great shame, but it's a basic redpill truth.

Of course no decent k-selected girl would let him anywhere near their pussy. But many women would. It's not their fault, it's just how they're programmed.
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RE: Please explain to me where this 80/20, Chad theory comes from
It's not a basic red pill truth if the guy isn't getting laid and can only manage to get an ugly chick. Enough with the nerdy talk, r-selected this, alpha that. Hot western women aren't sleeping with this kind of guy, you lot are living in fantasy land.

It's like saying "well he supposedly has the attitude of a wealthy man, you should copy that if you want to be rich, although the guy himself is dead broke".

Beyond stupid.

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>>Hot western women aren't sleeping with this kind of guy, you lot are living in fantasy land.

I suspect BadBoyGamer, Oak, Rollo, etc on the one hand, versus you on the other, radically disagree as to what constitutes "hot western women". Like does attract like, fuckwit men who walk around half-naked in goofy sunglasses do typically hook up with similar acting fuckwit women.
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^^ unlike BadBoyGamer, Oak, Rollo et al who don't know this guy, he is from my city, known all over the place, and isn't getting laid. It's not those internet theorists vs StrikeBack, it's theory vs reality.

If you guys think Corey gets laid with any woman who isn't a disgusting ugly bogan (and even those would hardly touch him), I'm afraid you've been practicing Game too much on the Internet and not enough in real life.

Look, I can be generous and put this down to you yanks not understanding Aussie culture, but you can find much better examples of Chads than Little Corey. We do have Aussie Chads down under, they just look and act nothing like Corey. I'd hate for young guys here copying this wanker's attitude and end up getting laid with rosie palmer night after night wondering why "Alpha Buddha" Game they learned from Rollo the Guru doesn't work at all.

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^Solid posts.

I just took a scroll through my Facebook out of boredom. Scrolled through a couple people I knew from a more blue-collar area pretty close to where I live. Tons of attractive white girls dating or married to pretty normal, semi-redneckish dudes. None of these guys were "naturals", had spent time approaching, nor did they spend hours and hours in the gym. They were just regular dudes who fell in love and got together with good looking women who shared some of their interests and came from the same culture.

This is the norm in massive parts of America and the world. No "80/20" thing to any of it. These blue-collar dudes had better sex lives with hotter women than 99% of the PUAs that I've ever met. The few I know who did replicate that success broke free of the endless mental masturbation and batshit retarded ideas I see peddled all over the manosphere.

StrikeBack speaks the truth, game gurus are human beings, human beings frequently do stupid things and believe irrational or incorrect shit. 90% of your personal journey in game and life will be figuring out how to make game work for you, rather than analyzing every last concept trotted out by Roosh, Rollo, or Tyler Durden.
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RE: Please explain to me where this 80/20, Chad theory comes from
I have no red pill rage.....anymore..

Years ago when I read it I thought Rollo was full of shit but it wasn't till I watched dudes walk into bars in Arizona that I got it...Yeah nah that wouldn't work in Oz..

It's the dynamics in our city..fuck I lived a few streets away from Worthington..Some American telling me how my streets work is like me telling them how their American city works and whos who.

To guys on the ground here I've yet to meet one dude that thinks Cory is Alpha..Just like Yanks think loud mouth Aussie shit cunts in Asia are Alpha leaves me scratching my head..they are just Bogans or trailer trash.. alpha my left nut.

We don't have Yank social structures or sports culture and pecking order.A guy that is a complete nerd could be best mates with a guy that is good at sport and alpha.
Fat chicks being mates with stunners.We mix more..We don't worry about school reunions we drink at 16, 17 with parents blessing.Bars clubs whores at 18..18 year olds in the club with 40 year olds..House parties???Only to get free drinks

Even dudes I introduced to Rollo's work had a tough time with Worthington thing.I get it.. frame etc but when you see it everyday as you grow up you know its just normal behavouir for shit cunts in the area..

Its not about body and Worthingtons act is Dandenong ,Narre, Berwick arse clown act ..Fuck it was half my act as a kid

In fact all the Alphas in the area marked Worthington ,every cunt wanted and did beat the fuck out of him..Worthington was no coward though but I wouldn't drink with him





You want Aussie Alpha old dead .Zyzz had it in spades loads.
Dux of his school ,leader of men leader of his social group hotties lining up selling products and started a world wide movement .To me that guy is Aussie Alpha and I'd drink party with him.Worthington was no sick cunt..I only knew about Zyzz after he died..My mates bouncing in Sydney all loved him





Zyzz could be the party and no one wanted to kill him as he was just a sick cunt

I love Rollo but Worthington is something I can never agree about..ever

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12-04-2018 03:15 AM
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RE: Please explain to me where this 80/20, Chad theory comes from
Yeah I see a lot of the above too in my corner of the world ^^

I'd disagree with grouping Roosh and Rollo or Tyler Durden and their types. Roosh writes about very practical Game, and he's out and about doing and testing things (admittedly I've mostly read his books and haven't read what he's been writing lately). He's also very honest about what works and what doesn't.

Rollo is 100% theory, sometimes it's interesting to read, most of the time it's dry as hell and probably sounds good but isn't grounded in reality. My Game mentor used to describe Rollo's posts with this Matrix-esque quip "why do my eyes hurt? because you've been reading a Rollo Tomassi's post".

Tyler Durden is 100% marketing. I wouldn't believe any BS he and his mates push.

Game is ultimately a contact sport. You can't just theorize, it gotta be grounded in reality and tested in the field. If your eyes are telling you one thing and the gurus are telling you another, trust your eyes. You can't learn how to box via reading a book and watching youtube videos, you must get in the ring, throw and take the punches.

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RE: Please explain to me where this 80/20, Chad theory comes from
(12-03-2018 11:15 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  It's not a basic red pill truth if the guy isn't getting laid and can only manage to get an ugly chick. Enough with the nerdy talk, r-selected this, alpha that. Hot western women aren't sleeping with this kind of guy, you lot are living in fantasy land.

It's like saying "well he supposedly has the attitude of a wealthy man, you should copy that if you want to be rich, although the guy himself is dead broke".

Beyond stupid.

You apparently didn't read the post. It's not about him. He's just a proxy for a mentality.

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