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Please explain to me where this 80/20, Chad theory comes from
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RE: Please explain to me where this 80/20, Chad theory comes from
What's the point with Tinder? I think you are overrating it. It's not the real world, and more likely like a candyshop for girls (attention and sex).

A case of a friend of mine:

I have a female friend. She is what you call SJW (here in Lima is not that usual this word). Feminist to her core, 27y.o., short (152-154cm), too big eyes (like goldfish), really irritating personality, selfish, although she could be kind sometimes. She takes medication (alprazolam and benzos). She likes going to shamans to do what here we tell 'amarres', 'fumadas', etc... and also believes in Hosorcope, etc... You know that profile.
Well, why is she my friend? She is well connected. She knows several producers, DJs, etc... and we can entry for free to some events, fests, etc... It's my contact due to I don't use facebook, so she keeps me informed. I don't argue any of her behaviors because she is not willing any change in her life. So, let's have some fun as friends.

She also tells me always her adventures in Tinder. For me is not interesting but I use this data instead. Every week she could go out with 2 or 3 men. How is the profile of these men?
One was an university's teacher, earn good money. He carried her to a nice restaurant, etc.. she then nexted him, not second date and he lost about 200 Soles (with this money I can pay 4 diferent sessions with a good Colombian or Venezuelian hooker, even anal included twisted . For me, he's a 6.5.
Another is a 29yo Chef, well traveled, good money, I would rate him as a 7.5. Sex at first date in a good hotel in Miraflores. Then she became obsessed with this guy, but that's another story.
Another guy, an ecuadorian guy that carried her in his motorbike. Then at his place, he started to sing and play guitar. No sex, she said he is too romantic, but sweet so who knows, perhaps sex at second date.
Another 28yo guy in Pisco. A good looking coastguard, a 8-8.5. He carried her to the coast in his Suv, while she blowing him. Then she got impressed due to he is not using a condom. Well, she continues. Suddenly he tries anal, she denied. Then he introduces the bottle of wine they were drinking into her vag. She is not all confortable but, who cares, it's just a bottle.


These were the last 4 dates of her. She is for me a 4-4.5. In what refers to dating or sexual market, I wouldn't give a fuck for this girl in any environment!
I really wonder why guys like those 7-8.5 are giving too much importance to girls that are milk receptacles. She even gives herself the pleasure of choosing and discarding. With the money these guys spend in one date, I could pay a threesome with prettier colochas & venecas and peruvian coke Banana with much more fun at the end.

For me, if it's this the ROI, it doesn't worth the effort. Social circle is better.
(This post was last modified: 12-08-2018 03:42 PM by Zoso.)
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RE: Please explain to me where this 80/20, Chad theory comes from
Corsega, if you don't realize that Tinder is there for the shareholders to make money, and not for men to get laid, then you really need to think about that.

Tinder before it's monetization was what real life is like, even today (before 2015 I think).

I would get matches with 8's, and it wouldn't be hard to get them out on dates. What's changed since then is that the algorithm makes people pay, and it gives ugly women nearly infinite matches from guys that swipe right on everything. It inflates their ego and thus they think they're actually deserving of a high value guy.

It's like you're an employer such as Facebook and you have millions upon millions of applicants for ONE job. Wouldn't you make ridiculous requirements for someone to get that job? Same deal here.


I'm arguably an 8 in real life (looks, demeanor, body language, fashion sense, wealth, body, etc) just from a visual perspective. I could probably fuck 80-90% of women if I aggressively pursued. But on Tinder? I don't have plus, I don't have gold, I don't have pictures in cool environments, pics with friends, etc (I like my privacy), and thus I get NOTHING. And rightfully so, because I don't pay for their service.

If you actually think that garbage ass women on Tinder not swiping on you means that you're a loser in real life, you're probably stupid enough to actually be a loser in real life.
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RE: Please explain to me where this 80/20, Chad theory comes from
Looks like you posted this in the wrong thread, but:

(12-08-2018 03:29 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  Corsega, if you don't realize that Tinder is there for the shareholders to make money, and not for men to get laid, then you really need to think about that.

Of course I realize that. I work in the app world.

(12-08-2018 03:29 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  Tinder before it's monetization was what real life is like, even today (before 2015 I think).

I would get matches with 8's, and it wouldn't be hard to get them out on dates. What's changed since then is that the algorithm makes people pay, and it gives ugly women nearly infinite matches from guys that swipe right on everything. It inflates their ego and thus they think they're actually deserving of a high value guy.

It's like you're an employer such as Facebook and you have millions upon millions of applicants for ONE job. Wouldn't you make ridiculous requirements for someone to get that job? Same deal here.

Of course it's gotten harder. I've been on it since May 2016 and have noticed the decline in match count/quality myself. If you read my posts, in no way do I contest this.

(12-08-2018 03:29 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  I'm arguably an 8 in real life (looks, demeanor, body language, fashion sense, wealth, body, etc) just from a visual perspective. I could probably fuck 80-90% of women if I aggressively pursued. But on Tinder? I don't have plus, I don't have gold, I don't have pictures in cool environments, pics with friends, etc (I like my privacy), and thus I get NOTHING. And rightfully so, because I don't pay for their service.

With all due respect, that is impossible. A large part of your story is missing. Could be one or more factors:
  • You are overrating yourself. Possible, though from the photo you posted of your physique an 8 would be a fair rating if your face matched your body.
  • Your standards are too high. This is really common for guys I have worked with like you.
  • Your definition of "NOTHING" is wrong. I am a 6/10 guy with a maxed out profile in the worst market in the US for Tinder (San Francisco) and I get about a match a day. I only swipe on 6.5/10 girls or better. If you are truly an 8/10, you should be doing exponentially better.

I am happy to look over your profile over PM and point out the "unknown unknowns" you might be missing. I have worked with several guys of your prototype. There is always something they overlook. Usually several things.

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RE: Please explain to me where this 80/20, Chad theory comes from
Quote:With all due respect, that is impossible. A large part of your story is missing. Could be one or more factors:
  • You are overrating yourself. Possible, though from the photo you posted of your physique an 8 would be a fair rating if your face matched your body.
  • Your standards are too high. This is really common for guys I have worked with like you.
  • Your definition of "NOTHING" is wrong. I am a 6/10 guy with a maxed out profile in the worst market in the US for Tinder (San Francisco) and I get about a match a day. I only swipe on 6.5/10 girls or better. If you are truly an 8/10, you should be doing exponentially better.

I am happy to look over your profile over PM and point out the "unknown unknowns" you might be missing. I have worked with several guys of your prototype. There is always something they overlook. Usually several things.

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, of course. I know lots of guys overrate themselves, but I'm very self critical to begin with. I wouldn't say I'm an 8 if I didn't think it to be reasonable. If I had to be extremely critical, sure, maybe I'm a 7-8 in the face. I have a solid jawline, high cheekbones, masculine look, clear skin, etc.

I don't have high standards. Hot women aren't even shown to me the last time I checked, and honestly I don't even use apps anymore. They're not worth the time, IMO. Real life is far better to me.
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RE: Please explain to me where this 80/20, Chad theory comes from
(12-08-2018 09:07 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  
Quote:With all due respect, that is impossible. A large part of your story is missing. Could be one or more factors:
  • You are overrating yourself. Possible, though from the photo you posted of your physique an 8 would be a fair rating if your face matched your body.
  • Your standards are too high. This is really common for guys I have worked with like you.
  • Your definition of "NOTHING" is wrong. I am a 6/10 guy with a maxed out profile in the worst market in the US for Tinder (San Francisco) and I get about a match a day. I only swipe on 6.5/10 girls or better. If you are truly an 8/10, you should be doing exponentially better.

I am happy to look over your profile over PM and point out the "unknown unknowns" you might be missing. I have worked with several guys of your prototype. There is always something they overlook. Usually several things.

I don't have high standards. Hot women aren't even shown to me the last time I checked, and honestly I don't even use apps anymore. They're not worth the time, IMO. Real life is far better to me.

Sounds like you're misremembering then, or your profile was "shadowbanned". If you're an 8/10 it's impossible not to be shown to hot girls, if you have a normal profile. Tinder literally has an Elo score that shows you to hotter girls, and shows you hotter girls, the more attractive you are.

If everything you have told me is true, you could download Tinder tonight, make a new account, and do well. I know, because I have run profiles with 8/10 guys as experiments, and they have gotten tons of matches with the free plan. If you care to try it out, go for it, and you'll see that something is not adding up with your story here.

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RE: Please explain to me where this 80/20, Chad theory comes from
(12-08-2018 03:29 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  I'm arguably an 8 in real life (looks, demeanor, body language, fashion sense, wealth, body, etc) just from a visual perspective.

But on Tinder? I don't have plus, I don't have gold, I don't have pictures in cool environments, pics with friends, etc (I like my privacy), and thus I get NOTHING.

If you're an '8' in real life based on wealth, looks etc then how do you have no pictures of yourself in cool environments? More importantly, how do you not even have photos of you with friends? Do you not travel at all, or go to interesting places in your home city, or hell even just have a normal social life?

If your Tinder profile is all mirror selfies its going to scream some combination of loser/weirdo/psychopath to most girls, which is probably why you're struggling on it. That, or as corsega mentions, you're overrating yourself.

Tinder is a good reality check for most men. If you're not doing well, its one of two things: either your profile is terrible (which might be the case for you from the sounds of things) or you're just not as good looking as you thought. Have a look at the various instagram megathreads here and try out a new profile using the information on them, it might change your experience massively.
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RE: Please explain to me where this 80/20, Chad theory comes from
Quote:Tinder is a good reality check for most men.

I do not agree with this at all. Tinder is the opposite. It is primarily based on looks. And even then you better make sure that pictures are high quality. In real life many more factors are involved and looks is not the primary factor.

Besides, Tinder only has a small percentage of the woman population on it. The whole dataset is biased towards certain demographics.

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(Yesterday 07:32 AM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  
Quote:Tinder is a good reality check for most men.

I do not agree with this at all. Tinder is the opposite. It is primarily based on looks. And even then you better make sure that pictures are high quality. In real life many more factors are involved and looks is not the primary factor.

Besides, Tinder only has a small percentage of the woman population on it. The whole dataset is biased towards certain demographics.

That fact that Tinder is primarily based on looks is why its such a good reality check. Its the most honest feedback from large numbers of the opposite sex most men will ever get about how attractive they actually look. No platitudes, no easy let downs, no fake boyfriends to spare their feelings...just instant rejection if they don't meet the looks standard.

Looks are always the primary factor in real life too, you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. Game, money, lifestyle etc are mitigating factors that come into play. But theres no getting around the centrality of attractiveness to getting laid. Its just even more immediate, and pronounced, on Tinder.
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RE: Please explain to me where this 80/20, Chad theory comes from
Attractiveness is not only determined by looks. I would say that when it comes down to looks (psysical appearance as in muscle, fat, face, hair, grooming, clothes) only a certain "treshold" needs to be obtained. Once this point has been reached other qualities get priority. And I do not see any evidence for this "threshold" to be particulary high.

Or to put it into other words: As long as you are "not bad looking".

Other attractive qualities that are important are: dominance, strength, pre selection, initiative taking, self confidence, risk taking, fearlesssness, social freedom, emotional control, etc.

In a real life face to face interaction these qualities become a whole lot more important than looks. And when it comes to sex these qualities become even more important.

To put it into other words: A "hot" submissive guy is unattractive.

I would even say that these qualities can entirely negate "uglyness". Or in the negative completly negate "hotness".

On other hand money and social status have little to do with attractiveness. These are simply practical considerations which belong in the "Beta Bux" category. If money or status where attractive, I expect girls to masturbate to pictures of Mark Zuckerberg.

But I do agree that Tinder gives you a good idea about where you stand looks wise. However as I said, this be a biased dataset. Biased towards looks primarily and biased for girls that primarily select based on looks.

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RE: Please explain to me where this 80/20, Chad theory comes from
Tinder is based on a photograph, not overall looks (which includes height, muscles, posture, voice, smell, etc), not even facial looks. Clever photography can work miracles for women, I know that, because I know women who look ordinary in person but look like super models in their social media profiles. Photography probably can work miracles for men too. I don't care because I think Tinder and online dating in general is a pathway to unhappiness, whether or not it helps you get laid.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

Originally it applied to economics and how us humans distribute wealth. Naturally as sex is transactional in a way and economic market forces apply in a similar manner in this market people apply this rule as well.

While I'm not in the camp that believes that the sexual marketplace works the same way as an economic marketplace(or even how most "economists" believe the economic place world the way it does), this principle and aspects of supply/demand are the only "economic" principles that do apply to the sexual marketplace and life in general.

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What is this Chad meme people keep trying to use? Is it just a stereo-typically well put together guy?
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^^ Read the topic.

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