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A Discussion On What "Game" Is
This thread was inspired by one created by BadBoyGamer. I was originally going to post it as a reply to this thread, but my post ended up being very long so I decided to create it's own thread and start some discussion around some of the points I have made.

I would like to open up the discussion as to what "game" really is.
Is being conventionally good-looking, showing up to a bar with your friends, laughing and having a good time while girls shower you with IOI's and a few brazen ones even come up and open you while being all handsy, and then choosing one lucky girl to bring home with you at the end of the night considered "game"? Some might say so, some might say this is the total opposite of what "game" is supposed to be.

People in the community like to idealize game as a sort of "great equalizer" that allows otherwise unattractive men to become or act like attractive men as to sort of "short-circuit" and "hack" women's hard-wired psychological algorithms in order to reap success with them. While game isn't exactly this sort of magic bullet, it still certainly has its merits. I like to think of game as simply "Social IQ" - how well you can pickup on and read social cues and act on them accordingly. In a perfect world, this would all be "natural" and subconscious and operate without any conscious input. But alas, we are not in a perfect world and here we are discussing with each other on forums the nuances of our interactions with women, in an attempt to improve our social IQ / game to achieve more success with women.

So you can have two camps of thought, that are both on polar opposite ends of each other.
On one camp you have the pessimistic game deniers: looks / status are all that matter. Game is nothing more than a guy in a weird looking hat trying to sell you an e-book. Women are all hypergamous whores that only want the top X% Chad Thundercocks and the rest of us normal men are left in the dust.

On the other camp you have the guys with their heads in the clouds (and also far up their own ass): game is the only thing that matters. You can be 3 feet tall with no teeth and smell like piss but as long as you know game and are alpha as fuck then girls will drop to your feet. If you get rejected, it's because she's rejecting your game - nothing else.

Now, both camps actually have merit. They are just too extreme and see the world as far too black and white instead of its true shades of grey. And here's a funny thing, all it takes is meeting one man that exemplifies each camp to turn yourself into a "game denier" or "game worshipper"
If you befriend a Chad Thundercock, a true natural good-looking alpha. You will have your eyes open to some harsh truths about how unfair the world can be. Girls will throw themselves at a man like this. And they will have true and pure abundance and it will be a positive feed back loop of: abundance, pre-selection, more abundance, more pre-selection, and so on and so on. Chad acts alpha without thinking about acting alpha because he has true abundance without thinking about having true abundance, and he has mad pre-selection without trying to make it look like he has mad pre-selection ... he just straight up has it. By befriending Chad, you will see the side of women 90% of guys never see: hot girls will double and triple text him, they will call him on weekend nights drunk begging to sleep over or begging to see him. Girls will act BETA as fuck around chad even though these same girls are curving so many guys left right and centre and have probably 100 unread messages on their phones, yet the only message they care about is if Chad is every gonna reply to them. I'd like to see a pick-up artist tell a funny story about all the hot stripper girlfriends he bangs in his mansion and steal all these girls from Chad.

Now, for the other camp, you can convert over by meeting a different type of man: the scumbag pickup artist.
This is the guy that isn't super good looking or super cool and doesn't have a massive social circle. Average looking or maybe even a little ugly. But this guy has mad balls. And he is also probably a sociopath or just a friendless loser that doesn't have much to lose by approaching, so he approaches en masse. This guy fucks a ton of girls, and has crazy pulls too. Bathroom pulls, banging girls within 30 minutes of meeting them, banging girls that told him to fuck off during his opener and called him gross. These guys can cause rational men to scratch their heads and wonder what the fuck is going on. But at the end of the day, these guys are just applying the raw numbers game. It works, but it's not very fulfilling and the effort-to-reward ratio can be low. Also, it doesn't regularly net you the hottest girls (the ones waiting for Chad to text them back) nor does it give you much retention. In fact, you get a lot of buyers remorse. A lot of pulls end up being a "right time, right place" spur-of-the-moment type thing where a momentary lapse of judgement leads to a quick pull. So you won't have much for fulfilling relationships. But nevertheless. this person proves that game can "work" and all the girls in the world aren't monopolized by the hottest guys and completely out of reach for the average joe.

I've been in the game for many years now, and have a notch count north of 200 (back when I used to be proud of my notch count and used it as a source of validation). So I have actually jumped back and forth between both camps for quite some time. The more I hang out with my natural "Chad" friends and see the kind of shit they experience, I become tempted to denounce game and refer to all of you forum members as losers (in my head). Conversely, when I see how beta and clueless a lot of these Chads actually are deep-down, then I realize that its more complex, and some of the members on this forum are incredibly bright and have knowledge that you cannot learn from mainstream society. This forum, when the right discussions are had, is an absolute goldmine.

So now, my current take on "game" is this: It matters if you want to have a HAPPY and SUCCESSFUL dating / love life. Non-negotiable. You have to have knowledge on the true nature of women and how the world works. You have to have some social IQ and know how to navigate social situations effectively and efficiently. But game is not a magic bullet. If you don't meet a girls looks threshold (GoodLookingLoser has a really good article on this), then no game in the world can save you. Move on. Also, looks matter greatly. They matter more to some women that to others, but they do matter. Good looks can make women MUCH more forgiving of any game "mistakes" that you make. It makes women much more willing to brush over any other issues that may be there - that is why Chads can actually be so pathetic and beta deep down but still get results. And that's also why the scumbag pickup artist has to be 100% on-point with his game, cause if he fucks up at all, the girls are gone.
Game is how you conduct yourself.

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11-28-2018 04:11 PM
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RE: A Discussion On What "Game" Is
Game is like the concept of tao...

Not to be defined but a way...

The man approaching madly with no passion or rhythm is playing a numbers game where he is hunting a material goal (notches) and a guy who is only capable of doing this is nothing more than a machine chasing outputs.

Sometimes the structure of approaches, pick-up strategies and the like are needed to learn game.

But, they are far from defining game, which should be understood more as:

Being in your element.
Comfortable with all around you, knowing you are in control.

There are plenty of good looking guys who simply stumble their way into fucking girls that are not game experts. Honestly, some of the guys I have met that have not had to work for it are the cringiest guys you can imagine when talking to girls.

Take it from a guy that has been in the upper percentile of attractiveness all my life.

Before game I didn't have to try that hard to get with girls. I'll admit that getting with women is far easier for me than my friends, when you get to a party or bar and have the majority of girls there giving you heavy eye contact, approaching you and even in some cases directly propositioning you one can argue all that you need is "don't fuck up game".

Before I was game aware, my life was a lot harder.

I supplicated to girls to pass their shit tests.

I would bend over backwards to assure girls that I was committed to them only and I would frequently get boxed into the "relationship category" by girls I would talk to even when I was trying my hardest to get a ONS or FWB.

You can't change what you are given.

Some of us are blessed with good looks but socially awkward (story of my life before game).

Some of us are far from male models but have bigger than life, outgoing personalities.

All of us here have things to learn and improve on to become the best and strongest version of us, and that is what game is all about.

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11-28-2018 04:52 PM
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RE: A Discussion On What "Game" Is
@The_e_man Great post!

The way I look at it there are two streams of knowledge and discussions mixing together. One is the concept of Game and another is the concept of the Red Pill. Both are important to be able to see the whole picture.

The Red Pill is a more theoretical framework for understanding human sexual relations. Game on the other hand is a subset of social skills that specifically relate to male female relations.

I would say that Game is a "great equalizer" for a lot of guys. Figuring out how to interact with girls is certainly not easy. For some it is even an "impossible puzzle" to solve. The discovery of Game can mean the difference and a whole lot more.

Some guys need an instruction manual. A literal instruction manual. Do this. Then that. Say these words. This manual is needed to get started. After a while you can stand on own feet and show more of own personality. Begin by developing own way of interacting with girls.

This is what Game provides. A manual for the idiots. Or for the ones that just want to know more. I happen to be one of the idiots. Game provided me with "idiot proof" instructions to follow and gave me an idea how things work. A way to kickstart the whole process. Advice like "just be yourself", "be honest", "show your personality" does not cut it.

For some guys it is necessary to approach thousands of girls. Sometimes under strange and weird conditions. Sometimes in awkward and socially uncalibrated ways. It is a learning process. Crawl before you can walk and walk before you can run.

Some guys are really screwed up inside the head. Others are better off and are able to adjust rather easy. I happen to be one of those nutcases. Actually escaped a mental institution once (real story). For a screwed up guy it takes a great amount of effort just to reach a somewhat "normal" state.

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11-28-2018 05:47 PM
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RE: A Discussion On What "Game" Is
Studies tend to indicate people with high emotional intelligence to be more successful in life than people with high intellectual intelligence. IMO I agree that game is just a part of emotional intelligence - specifically in understanding soclal dynamics of girls and reacting them in a way to increase your chances of intimacy.

While IQ is difficult to increase, emotional intelligence can be.

Unfortunately, emotional intelligence is not really taught at school and is very strongly influenced while young. If you spend 18 years with fear of intimate convos with girls then it takes a hard reset to be able to overcome past instincts and limiting beliefs. You have to identify those beliefs, recognise when they are blocking you in achieving what you want, and take action to change. Repeat this until the new beliefs become instincts. That is why you can have someone do 1000 approaches and learn nothing and someone who does 100 and become pretty decent at game.
11-28-2018 06:35 PM
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RE: A Discussion On What "Game" Is
(11-28-2018 05:47 PM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:  @The_e_man Great post!

The way I look at it there are two streams of knowledge and discussions mixing together. One is the concept of Game and another is the concept of the Red Pill. Both are important to be able to see the whole picture.

The Red Pill is a more theoretical framework for understanding human sexual relations. Game on the other hand is a subset of social skills that specifically relate to male female relations.

I agree with this. The confusing thing is that we use the same word ("Game") to apply to both.

There is the Game as a framework: red pill, sexual market dynamics, female evolutionary attraction triggers, etc.

There is playing the Game as a set of actions to ensure the best chance of success operating within that framework (e.g. anything you do to attract women other than looks/money/status).

If we want one catch-all definition, I've always defined Game as "anything that is not looks, money, or status". If anyone can come up with something that they think is Game that does not fit this definition, I'd love to be challenged on it.

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The way I see it is this. Every man at some point should have a harem or a team, this team should consist of WOMEN HE ENJOYS BEING AROUND.

The reason I put that in caps isn't to scream at you but to rather inform people of the point of game and "pick up". Going out getting women is very fun, but it shouldn't be a lifestyle but rather a bonus of the lifestyle.

Game helps you build charisma, charisma helps you meet, manage, and as bad as it sounds manipulate people. Game helps you meet people that'll enhance your life whether for the night or for a life. Lets say you're a rich playboy who loves to paint, well game helps you meet beautiful women who ALSO love to paint or helps you find models to paint.

For the gamers out there here's a better example. You are player 1, women are trophies or gems you have the choice to collect. You get better at the game you in turn get better at collecting the trophies. However, if you make the game all about collecting trophies then you miss out on the other aspects of the game such as the story, character development, lore, gameplay etc. lets say its that one trophy that you just HAVE to get, maybe its the hardest in the to achieve, then learning the game helps you get that trophy thus making the whole thing more pleasurable.

ok, that was pretty confusing but I hope people get it.

Now what I feel alot of people get confused is the SMV. People think game and SMV are the same when in reality game is apart of SMV. A very good looking guy can still be a complete beta that turns away many women once he opens his mouth. The same as an ugly guy can charm the panties off a woman but once it's time to get her ready for sex she can't get wet cause she's unattracted to you. A rich man can be ugly, NOT have game and wonder why women use him and why he keeps getting divorced. Whereas a poor man can be fun to hang around, have serious frame and be extremely popular but doesn't have the funds to really do much and that lack of funds can turn some women off.

Think of yourself as a hunter, any man can go out and try to hunt with no success and wonder why they have no results. Looks would be your apparel, your camouflage. Frame would be your confidence, you ability to take risk due to your success. Money would be your tools-gear, your weapon. Game, however, is your technique, how close can you get, how good your tracking skills are, How ell you understand your target, how accurate you are with the shot. A man can be a decent to ok hunter with just one of those things, BUT a master hunter is great at all of those things. However game takes you a bit further than the rest.

Game isn't techniques and canned material, Its a wide variety of things. The main aspect of it is learning social cues, reading body language, learning the power of words, learnng about humor and such. After you learn those things you go out there, get a little confidence then learn how to manipulate and use those tactics to get people to go with your flow that you've created.

I personally believe men have a problem seeing this because naturally we are attracted to one thing about a woman (her looks or maybe some niche thing) then after a wide margin we fall for other things. Women tend to look at a person in many aspects. Looks maybe first but game, frame, success, etc come close. Many things in the SMV go unnoticed by many guys. Emotional attraction for example which means how much you compare emotionally and how you spark her emotional interest. Fun for example, how much fun does she have around you to the point where she loves to be around you. Its a lot but when you focus on doing this for women it gets overwhelming. SO you should pretty much do it for yourself just so you can become a man of interest.

I'm still a newbie but that's how I view this topic.
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RE: A Discussion On What "Game" Is
Most men wake up one day and either feel completely alone and/or like they have been sub-par with women compared to others. So they find “game” and that game gives them hope. And that hope is good. It gives them a blueprint, or some sort of checklist that they can follow. And that is what some men need. They learn all these theories about how to walk, how to talk, what to say here, what to say there, how to create rapport, break down walls, become interesting, have worth. Etc. Some would argue that this is why they become successful. Others would argue that they would have been just as successful had they of said, “Hey, I like you, here's my number, call me” and walk away.

As time goes by, things get taken from us. All that energy and hope, sort of starts fading away. Family members die from cancer, friends get shot, war happens, money gets tight, and it gets hard to sleep at night. You eventually start to ask yourself what it means to be a man and most importantly a masculine man. So you stop the games.

This is when things get interesting. Because you would think that the sex and women would decline because you refuse to follow the rest of the crowd. But it doesn't. You become the same person, whether you are at a night club or walking down the street. There is no frame control because there are no games. In a world of fake, politically correct, attention seeking nonsense, you stand as a man alone. Women no longer shit test you because they know who you are. They will fight over you, because biologically, a masculine man is what they want and need. This type of man can not be faked mentally nor physically. These type of men go to the gym and eat healthy because it's part of the survival concept. Empathy becomes important also, not in a liberal "open-borders, save the seals" way, but in a masculine way. If you're outside shovelling snow off your side-walk, and your neighbour is 80 years old, you'll find yourself shovelling his also, without thinking, because it's the right thing to do.

To sum it up in a sentence: Game is where we begin and masculinity is where we end.

How long does it take to go from “game” to a masculine man? That depends on the cards that life deals you and the lessons you learn along the way. But don't expect to arrive there after reading some book.
11-28-2018 10:07 PM
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RE: A Discussion On What "Game" Is
@Linux said what had to be said.

My pragmatic advice?

If you want to date a lot date girls, be around a lot of girls. If I ever wrote a book that would pretty much be it. The more girls you're around the more you will bang.

And when you're around them, hit on them, too. Because you miss every shot you don't take.

Boiled down: be around girls and take shots.

After years of playing, that is my entire tome on game.

I should write a book.It would be one page, though.
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I want to game in the city that OP lives in.
11-29-2018 02:12 AM
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Here's the thing OP, attractive guys have game, girls don't magically sleep with you because you're handsome (unless +2 rule), and neither would you want to do that anyway (unless out to get drunk). You need to play with a girl before sleeping with her, seducing is fun, and you also screen out the incompatible ones.

This might anger some of you, but the reality is you look like what you are on the inside; your face is like a map to your character. If you look masculine and feminine at the same time like movie stars and models do, that means you have it in you to naturally excel at connecting with women. You have both strength and sensitivity.

The part of game that I was always interested in is logistics, and creating a lifestyle where you're constantly introduced attractive women--seduction should be 100% natural and I don't think you can learn it.
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Feeling comfortable in your own skin, confident in your value, empathetic and reading moods/emotions, dynamically expressive, and able to lead and overcome obstacles (logistics, objections etc). Those are the core fundamentals, and obviously there are a lot of important areas that add to the above i.e. fixing your smv via gym/fashion. Creating a lifestyle and working towards goals you want etc
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Interesting post. At times, I felt like i'd written it myself!! (especially the example of the 3ft tall dude with no teeth)

Yes,to keep it short, my thinking after like 3 years of approaching and OFTEN being out with a male model wing is this.

Game exists! It's a way to amplify 'existing' attraction. She needs to be somewhat 'into' you initially. I think Roosh calls this 'pre minute attraction'?
Even if she only thinks ''He's OK looking'' that's enough, and then with being fun and challenging and coming over as charismatic and non needy etc etc (game) you can increase attraction and lead the interaction to sex with easier than a guy whose never heard of 'game' (with other things like isolating and baby stepping etc)

The people who think you can be 3ft tall with no teeth, stinking of piss (and lots of these people exist. Read teh fieldreport section on therationalmale, or basically any mysterymethod forum!) and bang teen models are simply nuts.

They are about as nuts as the people who think 'game' is 100% irrelevant and that unless you look like young Dicaprio, you may aswell live in a cave.

Game IS relevant, even for good looking dudes. Just much less so!

I've seen handsome dudes get massive instant attraction off their looks, but through their autism, the girl decided to move on.

Here's the thing, though. These are quite extreme cases. With very very good looks, the bar really is very low! By that, i mean you don't just need to be a bit boring or whatever to lose the girl. You need to be SERIOUSLY lacking game. Like, be super awkward and weird. Just being boring, even though a death sentence for a normal looking guy, can often work for a male model. ''Quiet and boring'' becomes ''sexy and mysterious''.

My really handsome wing (who i've mentioned in my various FR's in my journal) has very minimal game. It's basically what I call 'normal guy game'. He doesn't really do anything that we are taught to do in the PUA world. Just asks boring questions (after the stunning 10/10 opens him, usually by pretending to recognise him. At some point she is being super flirty, and that's when he'll tell her she's cute adn he'll kiss her. Then he bangs her. There's nothing too it). But he does just enough to not mess up, and he can bang 99% of the girls he wants. You wouldn't believe the things i've seen. I'm almost numb to the jealousy now!! Smile

I think it can be a kind of equaliser in that, if a really handsome guy and another guy (who she think's is hot, but not as hot as the 1st guy) are competing for the same girl, and the better looking guy has zero game and other dude does, then the 2nd guy will probably win.

The other thing I always want to mention in these sorts of threads is personal taste. I feel like it can vary more for women than men. I know girls who think certain celebs/athletes are 10/10 in looks (Jamie Vardy being one!).
If Jamie Vardie wasn't a footballer, and banged this hot girl from cold approach, people would say it was his 'game' because he's not handsome. But this girl thought he was VERY handsome!

Similarly, I banged my idea of a 9 last year who was also half my age (she had turned 18 that weekend). As much as i'd like to pat myself on the back, I pulled her because she thought I was handsome! (even though i'm not ,and no other hot girl in the club thought I was good looking! Smile)

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RE: A Discussion On What "Game" Is
Subterfuge, I agree with everything you have said.

Being good-looking isn't always a guarantee, but it definitely sets the bar VERY low and you basically have to be full-on autistic to fuck it up with most girls. Whereas if an average guy makes one *tiny* little mistake (one moment of neediness, for example), a girls face can instantly go sour and she is gone.

I, too, have good looking natural friends that girls throw themselves at. And I think not enough men on this forum truly have a friend like that. It is necessary to really understand all this stuff. Having a friend like this is the most frustrating and jealousy inducing thing in the entire world, but it helps at least ground your theories with a dose of harsh reality.

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(11-29-2018 07:27 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  after the stunning 10/10 opens him, usually by pretending to recognise him. At some point she is being super flirty, and that's when he'll tell her she's cute adn he'll kiss her. Then he bangs her. There's nothing too it.

That's hilarious because 90% of the time when a girl opens one of my good-looking friends, the opener is something along the lines of "hey don't I know you from somewhere??"
It seems that's the go-to opener girls use: pretending that they recognize you.

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(11-29-2018 01:32 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 07:27 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  after the stunning 10/10 opens him, usually by pretending to recognise him. At some point she is being super flirty, and that's when he'll tell her she's cute adn he'll kiss her. Then he bangs her. There's nothing too it.

That's hilarious because 90% of the time when a girl opens one of my good-looking friends, the opener is something along the lines of "hey don't I know you from somewhere??"
It seems that's the go-to opener girls use: pretending that they recognize you.

lol, yeah, it's either that, or (usually in the case of girls who are older than maybe 25? or maybe they're girls who feel he might be too good looking for them?) they'll be massively overly flirty. Almost like they're being so over the top that they can almost pretend they are joking if he rejects them??. They just walk right up to him and stop and stare and then run their fingers on his chest and tell him he's handsome etc lol. It used to make my blood boil but after going out with him for like 14 years, i'm kind of used too it now!

I don't think there shold even be a debate about looks at least 'affecting' these interaction and making them easy for handsome dudes (just don't go overboard and all 'incel' because them guys are nuts). It makes sense, even if you come at it from a mysterymethod point of view using his model! He's got instant 'attraction' due to his looks. Now all he needs is comfort and seduction, so basically just make any small talk for a decent amount of time, state/show intent at some point, and then close the deal. It's a different world, but as you say, maybe some people don't have friends who are in this league and see this stuff. (lucky them, tbh!)

A few years back, he accidentally blocked some girl in with his truck, and when he came back to his truck she approached him, initially probably to berate him for his bad parking, but instead she was like ''Wow. You're handsome'' and he laughed and said 'thanks' and within maybe 3 minutes he was banging her in his truck!

On the flip side he helped get me laid a little when I was younger. He'd just approach 2 hot girls, ask if they wanted to come back to my place (my parents had a hot tub and a pool). We'd go back. They'd both try to bang him. He'd choose which one he wanted and then he'd throw the one he didn't want onto me (usually worked due to him spiking her buying temperature through her attraction to him I guess! ha)

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(11-29-2018 01:19 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  Having a friend like this is the most frustrating and jealousy inducing thing in the entire world, but it helps at least ground your theories with a dose of harsh reality.

I'm out with him again tomorrow night for the first time in a few months. This is gonna be rough!! Smile Expect me to fall into temporary depression for 3-6 days after!
I expect to update my journal on Sunday lol

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(11-30-2018 05:13 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 01:19 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  Having a friend like this is the most frustrating and jealousy inducing thing in the entire world, but it helps at least ground your theories with a dose of harsh reality.

I'm out with him again tomorrow night for the first time in a few months. This is gonna be rough!! Smile Expect me to fall into temporary depression for 3-6 days after!
I expect to update my journal on Sunday lol

I have a good friend who equally frustrates me due to his incredible success. However, unlike your friends, it's due to his naturally good game (He's ok looking but nothing special).

The guy shows absolutely no neediness and his mind can think of funny but stupid jokes about everything and anything. I used to think he must have read every PUA book and just memorized everything but he recently told me someone reccomended him a book about pickup (The Game) lol.

The truth is, he was raised very well and had a lot of practise from early age and just learned a lot about game on his own.

His only downfall is that he tends to be a bit passive when it comes to approaching. Which makes it even worse for me, as approaching when I'm with friends is easy but then they instantly get attracted to him. Even sometimes when he is trying to let me have a girl means they are attracted to him cos of non-neediness.
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RE: A Discussion On What "Game" Is
Short answer: Game is to men what makeup is to women.

Long answer:

Human society could be summarized as men competing among themselves to establish a merit-based hierarchy, and women competing among themselves for the men at the top.

A few high-ranking men end up having many children; most men have none. Women who can't monopolize a top man utilize an alpha fucks/beta bucks mating strategy to secure the best genes for her children and as many resources as possible; men compete for quality wives, but even those who acquire them enjoy quantity on the side when possible.

(This might actually explain our evolutionary departure from chimpanzees, which mate indiscriminately. Alpha chimps try to monopolize access to females, but given the opportunity females will mate with any male they encounter. Humans, meanwhile, have had eight million years of women continually skimming the genetic cream from each generational crop, leading to a rapid improvement in cognitive function and general ability.)

Like all animals, our evolutionary pathway has built our mating/arousal systems right into our DNA. We don't control what turns us on any more than we control our heartbeat or digestion. Put a tight ass or pert pair of tits in front of men and our dicks simply react, entirely of their own accord.

Makeup is woman's way of "hacking" man's arousal system. Lipstick makes a woman's face more attractive even if you know she's wearing it, just like your hindbrain prefers DDs to As even if you know they're fake. Same goes for hair extensions, botox, plastic surgery, etc. Women use these technologies to fake signals about their youth & beauty that men's brains can't distinguish from the real thing.

Women are similarly wired; their arousal systems are just wired differently from ours. Men's attraction triggers are mostly visual (youth & beauty), while women are primarily attracted to status. And status is determined by behavior.

Imagine it's 100,000 years ago. You're a man living in a hunter/gatherer tribe of about 100 people. It's easy for your brain to figure out which women will provide the best wombs and genetic quality for your children:

-smooth skin without wrinkles suggests a young body free of parasites;
-long, thick hair is a sign of proper nourishment
-a .7 waist-to-hip ratio indicates fertility and the ability to push a child through the birth canal;
-large breasts indicate the capacity to feed offspring
-facial symmetry confirms lack of DNA mutation or other genetic aberrations

All of this is analyzed by your hindbrain within seconds of looking at a woman. You don't consciously think any of these things; your brain simply detects them and then sends neurochemical signals that amplify arousal.

Easy enough when all that's required is a brief look at a woman. But in a world without wealth/physical possessions, job titles, and other status indicators, how is a woman to know which men are at the the top of the hierarchy?

It's simple: she watches how they behave.

Just like a man needs to see a woman's body outside a burka to know if she's attractive or not, a woman needs to see a man in action to know his place in the hierarchy (this explains the popularity of things like "let's you and him fight"). So how do you act if you're higher status than someone?

You act as if they're beneath you.

Confidence, dominance, aggression. Amused mastery. Indifference and aloofness. Taking up space, moving slowly, making strong eye contact. All mannerisms that signal a higher position than the person towards whom they're directed.

Men can do their best to fake high status (wealth suggests social dominance; tattoos mimic aggression; high friend and follower counts suggest popularity) but nothing withstands repeated failings in interpersonal behavior. See Zuckerberg the CEO billionaire and his HB4 wife, or Elon and his consistent failures to maintain a relationship. Watch an episode of "Millionaire Matchmaker" to see how many rich dorks get handed the ball just to fumble in the red zone. Or just ask your girl how many times she's seen a cute guy at the bar who then opened his mouth and suddenly turned her off.

Game is simply learning how to ape (heh) high-status behaviors. Negs, disqualifiers, soft nexts, "cocky funny" - all designed to subconsciously tell a woman you believe yourself to be above her. These actions (when performed correctly) bypass the conscious female mind and directly influence her hindbrain arousal system, just like makeup alters men's perception of female beauty.

The magic thing about game though is that you really can "fake it 'til you make it." From the female hindbrain's perspective, anyone acting like the boss IS the boss. Given enough time and practice, you can mold yourself into the kind of person that naturally behaves in a way women find attractive (what we mean by "inner game"). Whereas makeup can only do so much post-wall, a man can continually improve how he behaves (around men AND women), consistently raising his status in the process.
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