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Is Neanderthal DNA the reason why Europeans rule the world?
Slightly trolly (yet true) title. But I've been reading up on Neanderthals lately, and it's an interesting topic.

Europeans have the highest Neanderthal admixture. It's also present in Asia to a lesser extent. And sub-saharan Africa has none.

I had always had a conception of Neanderthals as rather dunce creatures, who were evolutionary unfit and killed off by the more intelligent homo sapien.

But upon looking into to it, that wasn't so. They had larger cranial capacities than modern humans, so were likely smarter. They were also stronger and had sturdier frames.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal#Anatomy

Turns out they weren't killed off in homo wars. They were just out-bred by the more populous/fertile homo sapiens. (Sound familiar?)

Connecting the dots here, this is a conceptualized Neanderthal:

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And this is Norwegian chess grandmaster, Magnus Carlsen who has the highest Elo chess rating in history. Basically a biological super computer.

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This is an interesting topic. The origin of our species is fascinating, but natural selection is not a politically correct process. Before anybody jumps on the bandwagon to accuse the op of race trolling, remember that he's looking for a discussion of the facts. He might be completely wrong and you might be able to prove this. But telling him to shut up because what he's saying doesn't feel nice to you can only lead to the suspicion that he's completely correct.
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RE: Is Neanderthal DNA the reason why Europeans rule the world?
All joking aside (and there will be jokes! which I'm looking forward to), there might well be some truth in this.

Apart from the cerebral stuff, which I'm not so sure about, I've often wondered why the Worlds Strongest Man contestants/finalists are nearly all Scandinavian. I can only think of two black guys over the years; Mark Felix (unlucky with injuries) and 'Grizzy' Brown. Olympic weightlifting, shot-put, javelin, discus all seem to be the same, though things might be changing, I don't follow it much.

Could it be that residual Neanderthal dna gives northern Europeans the edge in Strength? But they lose out in speed? The Olympics has done a pretty good job of giving us a lot of data on this over the decades.

It's a tricky topic, but I'm sure the grown-ups on here can handle it. (don't prove me wrong!)

As an aside, I remember reading in 'Sapiens' (Yuval Noah Harari) how as well as bringing back the Woolly Mammoth (just a matter of time! Unlike Dinosaurs - won't happen), we are on the cusp of 'bringing back' Neanderthals if we so desire. Bringing them back might be the least we can do, considering we finished them off in the first place.

(By the way, while we discuss bringing back Neanderthals over various ethical committees etc, the Chinese will have already done it without asking anyone! Honestly, they will, and that's how science should be done in my opinion; by the seat of your pants! good for them).

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Also, I know it's a tongue-in-cheek title, and while I'm confident of the incredible impact Europeans have had on the World (something I'm proud of, not ashamed of), there were undoubtedly times where much of the world considered us largely irrelevant. Genghis Khan didn't give two fucks about us for starters! Ancient China, much the same.

Apart from that, the game hasn't finished yet, and Islam (for example) might have the last word yet. It's all still to play for.

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Makes sense. When you're hunting in an area where you're bogged down with snow and ice, I'd imagine that strength would be more important than speed. While the fellas on the savannahs would need either short busts of speed for ambush hunting or endurance for persistance hunting. (Olympic sprinters all have west African origins while the best marathon runners come from east Africa - perhaps this is a result of their ancestors hunting strategies)?
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(11-30-2018 08:33 AM)Richard Turpin Wrote:  Also, I know it's a tongue-in-cheek title, and while I'm confident of the incredible impact Europeans have had on the World (something I'm proud of, not ashamed of), there were undoubtedly times where much of the world considered us largely irrelevant. Genghis Khan didn't give two fucks about us for starters! Ancient China, much the same.

Apart from that, the game hasn't finished yet, and Islam (for example) might have the last word yet. It's all still to play for.

On Ghenghis Khan, he likely had strong Neanderthal/European admixture as he had red hair and blue eyes.

But I'd disagree that he didn't care about Europe. He was very keen to invade Europe, and the Mongol horde was on the outskirts of Vienna before he died.

Ancient China was never more than a regional power. In contrast, even tiny Euro nations like Portugal and the Netherlands had global empires.

I don't see any reason to be sheepish or modest about it. Europeans seem to have a unique predilection for ruling vast territories. No other people have come close, with the exception of the Mongols (who obviously had a heavy European admixture).
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NE asians also have a lot of neanderthal admixture FYI. It definitely gives certain benefits.
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The Chinese are smart motherfuckers, and you can only look at their historical achievements with awe. I look at China's rise with despair, knowing that even though they don't have moral supremacy, they are intellectually superior and there is nothing anyone can do about it. This is a biological truth. If they had chosen to do so, they could have been a global superpower at the same time the Spanish and Portuguese asserted themselves in the world. Instead they chose to close themselves to the outside world towards the end of the Ming dynasty. But in the 21st century with their soft loans, Silk Road project and the eventual colonization of Africa, they will enjoy global supremacy that Britain and America could only dream about during their heydays. This is survival of the fittest, and with the progress we've made after 6000 years of civilisation its the guys with the biggest brains, not the biggest muscles, that will come out on top.
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RE: Is Neanderthal DNA the reason why Europeans rule the world?
(11-30-2018 09:11 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  
(11-30-2018 08:33 AM)Richard Turpin Wrote:  Also, I know it's a tongue-in-cheek title, and while I'm confident of the incredible impact Europeans have had on the World (something I'm proud of, not ashamed of), there were undoubtedly times where much of the world considered us largely irrelevant. Genghis Khan didn't give two fucks about us for starters! Ancient China, much the same.

Apart from that, the game hasn't finished yet, and Islam (for example) might have the last word yet. It's all still to play for.

On Ghenghis Khan, he likely had strong Neanderthal/European admixture as he had red hair and blue eyes.

But I'd disagree that he didn't care about Europe. He was very keen to invade Europe, and the Mongol horde was on the outskirts of Vienna before he died.

Ancient China was never more than a regional power. In contrast, even tiny Euro nations like Portugal and the Netherlands had global empires.

I don't see any reason to be sheepish or modest about it. Europeans seem to have a unique predilection for ruling vast territories. No other people have come close, with the exception of the Mongols (who obviously had a heavy European admixture).

Trumpian, those are all good points. Ruling an empire is one thing, but holding onto it is something else entirely.

I'm not widely read enough to come down yet on the importance and influence of Neanderthal dna in Europe's historical success, but if there is any truth to it, we will need every supposed advantage we have in the next few decades. Our history is glorious, but the real test is coming now! If we die out, it's because nature decreed it. If we contract and harden like a diamond and re-expand with a vengeance, it will also be because nature decreed it.

One important point regarding our ability to rule and work together etc; this was regarded as something specifically that Neanderthals didn't do! This is predominantly a Sapiens trait, and is the main reason we eliminated the 'loner' Neanderthals;

Quote:For starters, Neanderthals were loners. As Yuval Noah Harari has memorably pointed out, a human is absolutely no match for a chimp, but 1,000 humans could easily beat 1,000 chimps. This is because chimps don’t instinctively form large, organized groups and humans do. Neanderthals gave off more of a chimp social vibe, forming small, usually familial groups. Humans formed villages. This allowed humans to engage in specialized labor on a much larger scale than Neanderthals. Some humans tended crops, some humans raised children, some humans formed raiding parties, and some humans hunted. Neanderthals just neandered around. And they were in danger when they did. There is fossil evidence of humans killing and eating Neanderthals like animals.
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^^ The Persian Empire was a superpower since as early as the 6th century BC until at least the 18th century.

And that heavy European admixture of the Mongols is heavily dispytable. Never saw evidence of it anywhere. I would say the opposite, some Eastern Europeans have Mkngol admixture.

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Hold on.....

...so we've established that Neanderthals were stronger, smarter, and ...... loners.

Were they the first autists?! (Retard strength rather than gym strength obviously)

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This thread will be extremely interesting. Natural selection is a bitch, and there are some biological truths many guys will never be ready for.
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(11-30-2018 09:35 AM)Rocha Wrote:  ^^ The Persian Empire was a superpower since as early as the 6th century BC until at least the 18th century.

And that heavy European admixture of the Mongols is heavily dispytable. Never saw evidence of it anywhere. I would say the opposite, some Eastern Europeans have Mkngol admixture.

Ancient Persians (pre-Arab invasion) were essential a European people in the same vein as the Greeks. Also significant Neanderthal admixture in Central Asia so it just makes my point.

Many Mongols, including the great Khan, were described as having European - not asiatic features. There were Indo European speaking "white" tribes as east as China. Tocharians for example.
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(11-30-2018 09:44 AM)Richard Turpin Wrote:  Hold on.....

...so we've established that Neanderthals were stronger, smarter, and ...... loners.

Were they the first autists?! (Retard strength rather than gym strength obviously)

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(11-30-2018 09:53 AM)Horus Wrote:  This thread will be extremely interesting. Natural selection is a bitch, and there are some biological truths many guys will never be ready for.

Chief among those biological truths, being the fact that having lots and lots of children is rather bloody important! Past races, past species of human (at least seven species of them) could have had all the wonderful genetic leg-ups they could wish for, but if they didn't pass those genes on, who cares, it was all for nought.

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All peoples have some neanderthal admixture besides subsaharan africans
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(11-30-2018 09:34 AM)Horus Wrote:  The Chinese are smart motherfuckers, and you can only look at their historical achievements with awe. I look at China's rise with despair, knowing that even though they don't have moral supremacy, they are intellectually superior and there is nothing anyone can do about it. This is a biological truth. If they had chosen to do so, they could have been a global superpower at the same time the Spanish and Portuguese asserted themselves in the world. Instead they chose to close themselves to the outside world towards the end of the Ming dynasty. But in the 21st century with their soft loans, Silk Road project and the eventual colonization of Africa, they will enjoy global supremacy that Britain and America could only dream about during their heydays. This is survival of the fittest, and with the progress we've made after 6000 years of civilisation its the guys with the biggest brains, not the biggest muscles, that will come out on top.

Meh. The Chinese have been subjugated by virtually every people that's come through there. Mongols, Manchus, Europeans, Japanese,etc. Intellectually superior people don't find themselves in that position repeatedly.
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(11-30-2018 10:00 AM)Richard Turpin Wrote:  
(11-30-2018 09:53 AM)Horus Wrote:  This thread will be extremely interesting. Natural selection is a bitch, and there are some biological truths many guys will never be ready for.

Chief among those biological truths, being the fact that having lots and lots of children is rather bloody important! Past races, past species of human (seven species of them) could have had all the wonderful genetic leg-ups they could wish for, but if they didn't pass those genes on, it was all for nought.

Survival of the fittests requires different traits in different environments. Sometimes fittest means strongest and sometimes it means smartest. And in some environments it simply means the most fertile.
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(11-30-2018 10:04 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  
(11-30-2018 09:34 AM)Horus Wrote:  The Chinese are smart motherfuckers, and you can only look at their historical achievements with awe. I look at China's rise with despair, knowing that even though they don't have moral supremacy, they are intellectually superior and there is nothing anyone can do about it. This is a biological truth. If they had chosen to do so, they could have been a global superpower at the same time the Spanish and Portuguese asserted themselves in the world. Instead they chose to close themselves to the outside world towards the end of the Ming dynasty. But in the 21st century with their soft loans, Silk Road project and the eventual colonization of Africa, they will enjoy global supremacy that Britain and America could only dream about during their heydays. This is survival of the fittest, and with the progress we've made after 6000 years of civilisation its the guys with the biggest brains, not the biggest muscles, that will come out on top.

Meh. The Chinese have been subjugated by virtually every people that's come through there. Mongols, Manchus, Europeans, Japanese,etc. Intellectually superior people don't find themselves in that position repeatedly.

Yep, but if you added up the years in their 5000 years of history when they were technologically and economically on top of the world, they would win. Like it or not the Chinese are the master race.
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Isn’t this supposed to be a red pill forum?

Jews rule the world, buddy.
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Here we go.
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(11-30-2018 10:25 AM)Kish Wrote:  Here we go.

Care to back up your argument with some facts?
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Maybe the Neanderthal DNA is what's made Europeans the most susceptible to soy.

Perhaps it's the Mongoloid admixture in both Eastern Europeans/Russians and Latin Americans that has given those two groups their current, much stronger resistance to soy.

And it would seem Africans are virtually impervious.


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(11-30-2018 10:09 AM)Horus Wrote:  
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(11-30-2018 09:34 AM)Horus Wrote:  The Chinese are smart motherfuckers, and you can only look at their historical achievements with awe. I look at China's rise with despair, knowing that even though they don't have moral supremacy, they are intellectually superior and there is nothing anyone can do about it. This is a biological truth. If they had chosen to do so, they could have been a global superpower at the same time the Spanish and Portuguese asserted themselves in the world. Instead they chose to close themselves to the outside world towards the end of the Ming dynasty. But in the 21st century with their soft loans, Silk Road project and the eventual colonization of Africa, they will enjoy global supremacy that Britain and America could only dream about during their heydays. This is survival of the fittest, and with the progress we've made after 6000 years of civilisation its the guys with the biggest brains, not the biggest muscles, that will come out on top.

Meh. The Chinese have been subjugated by virtually every people that's come through there. Mongols, Manchus, Europeans, Japanese,etc. Intellectually superior people don't find themselves in that position repeatedly.

Yep, but if you added up the years in their 5000 years of history when they were technologically and economically on top of the world, they would win. Like it or not the Chinese are the master race.

Ha, trying to up your social credit score Horus?

China's "dynasties" and region of influence has changed for thousands of years. Trying to claim that China has been the same all that time is disingenuous especially with their dynastic cycles. A new dynasty means a new China.

And if China was well on its way to worldwide empire status, it's elites and citizens wouldn't be so desperate to get their money out of China and into freer North American and European markets.

Frankly, not worried. I expect war in the next 2-3 years started by them.

They'll do something stupid that will cost the Chicoms' their mandate of heaven. I'd be more concerned if China decided to shed this silly social credit system, stopped harassing religious groups, and became a more open society. Until then, it's a country of bureaucratic tyrants and a thousand Jeff Bezo's all doing their own thing.
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(11-30-2018 10:04 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  Meh. The Chinese have been subjugated by virtually every people that's come through there. Mongols, Manchus, Europeans, Japanese,etc. Intellectually superior people don't find themselves in that position repeatedly.

Everyone's been invaded by their neighbors. Pretty much. Repeatedly. It's kind of a thing, neighboring countries invading each other. Even the recent "top dogs," England and Spain, have been repeatedly invaded throughout history and are a hodge podge of ethnicities due to their history of being invaded.

History fail.
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Yes I hope there will be war for the good of the world. But the Chinese are patient and crafty motherfuckers.
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