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RE: Paris Yellow Vests
(12-08-2018 12:45 PM)Montrose Wrote:  A relatively quiet day in Paris. The morning was very quiet. I put on my yellow vest and went to the Champs Elysées. I was stopped and searched twice by police but they quickly recognized me as a bourgeois. The crowd were ´white trash’ from rural Picardy, Normandy and Artois, with a strong country accent, rather genial and cheerful.

Around noon the ´casseurs’ (breakers) from the ghetto got out of bed and went to Paris to wreak havoc and grab whatever they could grab. Things became more violent on the boulevards, with a few burning cars and some shattered glass. Around fifty lightly wounded in Paris altogether. The police adopted very successul mobile tactics (unlike last week where they remained static) and charged several times on foot and on horseback. It was a spectacular sight to behold. 1000 people were arrested.

Overall, a pretty good day. There were no violent incidents, the yellow vests have demonstrated discipline and restraint, but they have succeeded in maintaining a huge pressure on Macron. I don’t see how the macronists can get out of this mess. They cannot put 90,000 men on the street every Saturday.

This reads like a success story more so for the police state, rather than the Gilet Jaunes! No violent incidences? Police violence is no different from other groups violence. (A point many seem to miss.)

Kudos for being there though, but remember that the police get`s payed for doing this, most of the protestors are spending time and money etc. I don`t see todays events as a win for this movement. Granted I wasn`t there of course.

We will stomp to the top with the wind in our teeth.

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Long game.

There are 6.6 million unemployed in France, and another 10-20M working poor. 30% of the people can't afford heating expenses with energy taxes up to their gills.

This is just the beginning.


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(12-07-2018 09:59 AM)BaatumMania Wrote:  A lot Ukrainian police who made $150 a month had no problem shooting protesters for that money. Still outright civil war in most of Ukraine was avoided probably because none was willing to fight WW2 style battles for low pay (except for some Nazi and Communist volunteers in a small area).

French soldiers on the other hand make an average $67,000 a year (a gravy train job for sure) and I doubt they're going to refuse any orders like "gun down the protesters".

We do not know who was responsible for the Maidan shootings and just like with the Kennedy assassination, probably never will.

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As I have suspected, nothing to write home about today in Paris. French police is well trained and today wasn't hesistant to go on the offensive. If only they could use the same ingenuity against criminals and not their own people. The shock has passed and now they are adapting. I don't see how any future action could bring more impact.

Same story across most other cities. Lots of arrests, people injured but nothing that scream shit just got real. Well, realler than last Saturday that's it.

A lot will depend on what Macron says this Monday, but basing on what happened so far I d say the movement got blunted. Unless the gilet jaune is willing to play the attrition game ie doing the same march every week. It would have less and less effect but somewhere someone is gonna snap, that's just the arithmetic of war.

Or, Macron will make a speech with the same hatred and condescension that will just infuriate the people further. Pray he s that stupid but i think not. He will make a lot of promises like he always did to buy himself time and people will just go home for Christmas.

The only way forward now is for the people to go on mass strike and block the main ports/airport and railway to cripple the logistics. Paris would not last a week and with the economy seriously disrupted pressure would be heaped on Macron.

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A lot of riots in the city of Toulouse this evening.

The rioters use an effective tactic: regroup on a construction site and use all the material as weapon or flammable material.

My guess is that the rioters are far-left / communist in Toulouse.


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(12-08-2018 02:37 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  As I have suspected, nothing to write home about today in Paris. French police is well trained and today wasn't hesistant to go on the offensive. If only they could use the same ingenuity against criminals and not their own people. The shock has passed and now they are adapting. I don't see how any future action could bring more impact.

Same story across most other cities. Lots of arrests, people injured but nothing that scream shit just got real. Well, realler than last Saturday that's it.

A lot will depend on what Macron says this Monday, but basing on what happened so far I d say the movement got blunted. Unless the gilet jaune is willing to play the attrition game ie doing the same march every week. It would have less and less effect but somewhere someone is gonna snap, that's just the arithmetic of war.

Or, Macron will make a speech with the same hatred and condescension that will just infuriate the people further. Pray he s that stupid but i think not. He will make a lot of promises like he always did to buy himself time and people will just go home for Christmas.

The only way forward now is for the people to go on mass strike and block the main ports/airport and railway to cripple the logistics. Paris would not last a week and with the economy seriously disrupted pressure would be heaped on Macron.

The police will just use massive force if anyone tries that. I keep saying it, we have to stop the police interference. They have to be met head on by well organized protest groups in large numbers.

We will stomp to the top with the wind in our teeth.

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(12-08-2018 02:37 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Or, Macron will make a speech with the same hatred and condescension that will just infuriate the people further. Pray he s that stupid but i think not. He will make a lot of promises like he always did to buy himself time and people will just go home for Christmas.

Do not underestimate the intelligence behind brand Macron. He's got some of the best minds and social manipulators in the European project helping him keep France in with the plan.

Besides, he is a replaceable cog. When Hollande became too unpopular, none of the rage passed to his Economy minister Macron.

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(12-08-2018 02:37 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  As I have suspected, nothing to write home about today in Paris. French police is well trained and today wasn't hesistant to go on the offensive. If only they could use the same ingenuity against criminals and not their own people. The shock has passed and now they are adapting. I don't see how any future action could bring more impact.

Same story across most other cities. Lots of arrests, people injured but nothing that scream shit just got real. Well, realler than last Saturday that's it.

A lot will depend on what Macron says this Monday, but basing on what happened so far I d say the movement got blunted. Unless the gilet jaune is willing to play the attrition game ie doing the same march every week. It would have less and less effect but somewhere someone is gonna snap, that's just the arithmetic of war.

Or, Macron will make a speech with the same hatred and condescension that will just infuriate the people further. Pray he s that stupid but i think not. He will make a lot of promises like he always did to buy himself time and people will just go home for Christmas.

The only way forward now is for the people to go on mass strike and block the main ports/airport and railway to cripple the logistics. Paris would not last a week and with the economy seriously disrupted pressure would be heaped on Macron.

Are there any attempts to make barricades and permanently occupy or hold street blocks/squares like there was in Kiev during EuroMaidan 2013-2014? I would guess no as most protesters have jobs

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Protesters have jobs, and more importantly they are not from Paris. The logistics are just not there to supply insurgents in Paris over more than a couple of days. Paris is overwhelmingly globalist and pro-Macron. It would be extremely easy to lock the yellow vests out of Paris if there was a political will.

(Historical Note: during the French Revolution, the countryside was mostly royalist but the Revolution won because the population of Paris was for the Revolution. Paris crushed revolts in other cities)

Therefore, the Yellow Vests have zero military value and no hope of achieving anything by force. At most they could control a few second tier cities like Bordeaux or Lille.

That’s why I contend that today was a success. If you think that you can do things by force you are mistaken and will be disappointed. It will take time. Things will change only by maintaining political pressure and gaining hearts and mind, and this has worked well today.

Additionally, if they try to use force, there is the risk that Macron will take it as an excuse to take all powers for himself (state of emergency, Article 16 of the Constitution)
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Pretty sure Paris has lost multi millions from all of this and that doesn't include the damage caused. Perceptions in Asia and the US means everything.
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Holly shit this picture proves that the Russian are behind the Gilets Jaunes insurrection Exclamation

Fucking commies!!

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(12-08-2018 03:38 PM)Montrose Wrote:  Protesters have jobs, and more importantly they are not from Paris. The logistics are just not there to supply insurgents in Paris over more than a couple of days. Paris is overwhelmingly globalist and pro-Macron. It would be extremely easy to lock the yellow vests out of Paris if there was a political will.

(Historical Note: during the French Revolution, the countryside was mostly royalist but the Revolution won because the population of Paris was for the Revolution. Paris crushed revolts in other cities)

Therefore, the Yellow Vests have zero military value and no hope of achieving anything by force. At most they could control a few second tier cities like Bordeaux or Lille.

That’s why I contend that today was a success. If you think that you can do things by force you are mistaken and will be disappointed. It will take time. Things will change only by maintaining political pressure and gaining hearts and mind, and this has worked well today.

Additionally, if they try to use force, there is the risk that Macron will take it as an excuse to take all powers for himself (state of emergency, Article 16 of the Constitution)

All Western States and Governments are held together by a monopoly of force, which is just violence. Violence is the ultimate and only authority. I don`t like it, but that seems to be the case.

If they can do things by force all the time, then why can`t we once in a while? The French revolution and the "upstream" American revolution are both good examples. At least they brought about change.

We will stomp to the top with the wind in our teeth.

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What matters is that ordinary white french people organized in large numbers.

All you concern trolls are trying to turn it into a failure. It is a massive success to get 100.000 normal white people out in the streets in a protest like this.

People got experience, next time will be easier, how do you think Antifa succeeded?
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http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/12/seeki...kings.html

Vox says yellow jacket movement may be spreading to Sweden.

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An inspiration to men who work for a living everywhere.

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(12-08-2018 02:18 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  
(12-08-2018 12:45 PM)Montrose Wrote:  A relatively quiet day in Paris. The morning was very quiet. I put on my yellow vest and went to the Champs Elysées. I was stopped and searched twice by police but they quickly recognized me as a bourgeois. The crowd were ´white trash’ from rural Picardy, Normandy and Artois, with a strong country accent, rather genial and cheerful.

Around noon the ´casseurs’ (breakers) from the ghetto got out of bed and went to Paris to wreak havoc and grab whatever they could grab. Things became more violent on the boulevards, with a few burning cars and some shattered glass. Around fifty lightly wounded in Paris altogether. The police adopted very successul mobile tactics (unlike last week where they remained static) and charged several times on foot and on horseback. It was a spectacular sight to behold. 1000 people were arrested.

Overall, a pretty good day. There were no violent incidents, the yellow vests have demonstrated discipline and restraint, but they have succeeded in maintaining a huge pressure on Macron. I don’t see how the macronists can get out of this mess. They cannot put 90,000 men on the street every Saturday.

This reads like a success story more so for the police state, rather than the Gilet Jaunes! No violent incidences? Police violence is no different from other groups violence. (A point many seem to miss.)

Kudos for being there though, but remember that the police get`s payed for doing this, most of the protestors are spending time and money etc. I don`t see todays events as a win for this movement. Granted I wasn`t there of course.

Wrong. Violence means yellow vests loose public support. The big money can't afford more closed weekends on Paris. If these peaceful protest continue for 3-4 more weekends, it is the rich that will outset macron to calm things down.
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Yes violence can lose you support but once things pass a certain point a simple vote or upset feelings with banners every saturday isn't going to cut it.

Eventually violence is to be used to get what you want.
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(12-08-2018 06:01 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  All Western States and Governments are held together by a monopoly of force, which is just violence. Violence is the ultimate and only authority. I don`t like it, but that seems to be the case.

Good to see another Heinlein fan.

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violence did not stop the (((pro-globalist))) Euro maiden from gaining support. While the yellow jackets will get demonized no doubt, they should not be discouraged as the (((globalists))) are scared.

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The most important aspects here are two things:

1-The movement is large, and has the potential to further snowball and reach a critical mass of several million active members.

2-The movement has a very broad national support, up to 80% of the country is behind the Gilets Jaunes.


Violence isn't important, because at a certain point these two factors alone will be enough to bring down the regime. If anything, overreacting could be counterproductive by jeopardizing item #2. The deep state is going to try to provoke it, or fake a large-scale violent event in a false flag operation.

Good vid below by French dissident Boris Le Lay, who touches on this subject, saying that the GJs are calm but are also taking note of excess CRS brutality, and won't tolerate it much longer... He also reaches out to good cops.

Le Lay is wanted by the French govt, having been sentenced to 18 months of jailtime for doxing illegal "passeurs" (leftie activists who are running migrant traffic into France). I believe he is exiled in Japan, where his wife is from. He is a legit nationalist.




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Shying away from violence is a losing strategy. I'm not saying it's necessarily time to be violent right now, but the time will come in our (men of fighting age) lifetimes.

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Who cares if France is being destroyed economically, politically and culturally?

The important thing was that World Cup victory. razz

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(12-08-2018 08:29 PM)RIslander Wrote:  
(12-08-2018 06:01 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  All Western States and Governments are held together by a monopoly of force, which is just violence. Violence is the ultimate and only authority. I don`t like it, but that seems to be the case.

Good to see another Heinlein fan.

Governments lose that monopoly of force once it loses its legitimacy. In France we're about halfway there right now.

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Would be nice if there was a demand to kick a certain bomb happy group out.


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Scenes from yesterday, just the tip of the iceberg:

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On a lighter note, from one of the main highways, in the Southwest:


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