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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...oters.html

Here comes the 'Kent State' moment.
03-22-2019 10:20 AM
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RE: Paris Yellow Vests
(03-21-2019 10:57 AM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  
(03-19-2019 03:55 PM)LeBaron Wrote:  
(03-19-2019 03:23 PM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  Why would they rebel indeed ?
More cops busy at the champs elysees means less cops interfering with drug trafficking or arms smuggling.
Guns and gold for the caliphate !

Also some muslim countries finance some parts of the french dissident right.
Anything which destabilizes the country is welcome by its enemies, that's part of the game.

Are you referring to Soral?

Maybe.

The problem is not really who, though.
The french far-right is basically split between the pro-zionists and the pro-islamists.
Now fuck both these groups, they should all be kicked out of here anyway - but where the fuck are the people who are pro-french at all ?
You never hear about any of them, how come ?

well the only one that I could think of is Jean Marie Le Pen
03-22-2019 11:36 AM
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RE: Paris Yellow Vests
The Gilets Jaunes are not making super spectacular actions now, they are playing a (low level) war of attrition, waiting for some policemen to be so demoralized that they decide to stop making their jobs against the insurrectionists.

Will it work? I don't know.

Other questions are: Will the Gilets Jaunes have a stronger leadership in the future? And will loony leftists take control of the movement?

For the moment the Gilets Jaunes are refusing to have strong leaders, considering that as a point of weakness (the leaders can be manipulated or arrested), but in the future the movement can change its shape, in order to adapt to new circumstances.
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(03-22-2019 11:36 AM)LeBaron Wrote:  well the only one that I could think of is Jean Marie Le Pen

I used to think that, but his memoirs made me think otherwise (personal opinion).
In any case he was demoralized back in the days and is now too old to do anything.

(03-24-2019 04:26 AM)balybary Wrote:  Other questions are: Will the Gilets Jaunes have a stronger leadership in the future? And will loony leftists take control of the movement?

Some tried to put françois ruffin at their head.
I watched him on thinkerview, which I think is a good channel despite being sometimes pretty left-wing.
I was not able to watch the whole thing, I have no idea how anyone can take this guy seriously.
03-24-2019 06:14 AM
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RE: Paris Yellow Vests
Just turning up on the streets every saturday isn't going to do shit to the French government or the EU except to paint a big target on your back.

We are seeing in real time why those throughout history have stated peaceful protest only gets you so far. Unless more people turn up and start attacking the institutions then it will just be water under a bridge.

Macron will not leave and neither will the police when they get annoyed every Saturday.
03-24-2019 07:46 AM
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On the contrary it's the thorn in the lion's paw that drives it mad over time.

A big attack will provide justification for a big crackdown.

This is the death by a thousand cuts or more accurately the death by a thousand days. Cripple Paris and you cripple the French state. Cripple the French state and you cripple the EU.

Patience and steady escalation is everything. Escalate steadily and the state is never justified in any one crackdown.

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03-24-2019 07:59 AM
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It’s brilliant. Paris currently exists as a (paraphrasing what an LV higher up said) as “Disneyland for rich Arabs”. The slow, steady, unrest is devastating to the various elite-run consumption industries that insulate them from working class interests but simultaneously prevents there from being any single major event that triggers a crackdown. If they do crackdown they can’t do it without destroying the destination image Paris has.
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(03-24-2019 07:59 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  On the contrary it's the thorn in the lion's paw that drives it mad over time.

A big attack will provide justification for a big crackdown.

This is the death by a thousand cuts or more accurately the death by a thousand days. Cripple Paris and you cripple the French state. Cripple the French state and you cripple the EU.

Patience and steady escalation is everything. Escalate steadily and the state is never justified in any one crackdown.

I didnt mean to go all out and siege the towns and cities in a single day. What I meant is the peaceful part of a protest only gets you so far and doing it once a week on the weekend isn't going to be the 'thing' that makes the machine come after you and then fails as it destroys itself.

Unplanned action nationwide where the police and military cannot control the masses save for dishing out violence and mass arrests is whats needed. To push them into that mode you need to push the envelope.

Do you honestly believe the institutions would be so bold as to fuck a people over if it knew full well the mob would drag it kicking and screaming to some form of social justice arena?

We've gotten lazy and weak and the barbarians aren't just our our borders, they are at our front doors and getting free shit to boot. Peaceful protests and whining about injuries over twitter wont make millions more people take up the cause.
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(03-24-2019 07:59 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Cripple Paris and you cripple the French state.

Paris gets its food via trucks.
Block the roads and it would get interesting quickly.

You have millions of people there, 90+% of them who voted for Macron.
Maybe that would be enough to get them to reconsider their position ?
03-24-2019 03:01 PM
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RE: Paris Yellow Vests
(03-24-2019 06:14 AM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  
(03-22-2019 11:36 AM)LeBaron Wrote:  well the only one that I could think of is Jean Marie Le Pen

I used to think that, but his memoirs made me think otherwise (personal opinion).
In any case he was demoralized back in the days and is now too old to do anything.

(03-24-2019 04:26 AM)balybary Wrote:  Other questions are: Will the Gilets Jaunes have a stronger leadership in the future? And will loony leftists take control of the movement?

Some tried to put françois ruffin at their head.
I watched him on thinkerview, which I think is a good channel despite being sometimes pretty left-wing.
I was not able to watch the whole thing, I have no idea how anyone can take this guy seriously.

Would you recomend reading his memoir? I've seen that he annouced a second volume
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(03-24-2019 03:01 PM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  
(03-24-2019 07:59 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Cripple Paris and you cripple the French state.

Paris gets its food via trucks.
Block the roads and it would get interesting quickly.

You have millions of people there, 90+% of them who voted for Macron.
Maybe that would be enough to get them to reconsider their position ?

That seems like a great way to turn everyone against you and justify being mowed down by the military with full public approval. What have all those millions of people in Paris done to you? Voting for Macron may be stupid, but it's not evil and it's not a crime either.

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(03-24-2019 08:37 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  It’s brilliant. Paris currently exists as a (paraphrasing what an LV higher up said) as “Disneyland for rich Arabs”. The slow, steady, unrest is devastating to the various elite-run consumption industries that insulate them from working class interests but simultaneously prevents there from being any single major event that triggers a crackdown. If they do crackdown they can’t do it without destroying the destination image Paris has.

Some of the wealthy Arabs here in Vancouver are pretty pissed that Europe has let in so many low class muslims. They seem to think that Europe and other expensive elite cities were going to be playgrounds for them outside of the shithole countries they come from.
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This old woman, a "Gilet Jaune" protester, is still in hospital after a police charge


Quote:Macron suggested Legay didn’t behave “responsibly,” saying that “fragile” people shouldn’t attend “places that are defined as prohibited.”

The next one will probably be (sarcasm):

Quote:Macron suggested that a raped women didn’t behave “responsibly,” saying that “fragile” people shouldn’t live in "a dangerous place like Paris"
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Old lady is bleeding quite heavily from her nose and mouth. At her age the injuries she sustained could mean death.
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Macron really has a talent for saying things that drive decent people into a murderous rage. He couldn't have possibly said anything more stupid and tone-deaf even if he had a team of 20 public relations "experts" working on it.

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