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(12-06-2018 01:56 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  
(12-06-2018 01:43 PM)LeBeau Wrote:  Luvianka, are you sure this wasn't a Mossad false flag to set up Justin Trudeau?

Poor Justin is a Zionist fag -he ain't need to be set up, he knows his duties.

Hey LeBeau you're actually pretty damn close, Justin got by with a little help from his friends, the Bronfmans, Kolbers and other members of the Tribe.

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Here's Justin getting on with his chief financier, Stephen Bronfman.

The Bronfmans made their fortune as gangster bootleggers during the Prohibition, carrying on the legacy of their ancestors who leveraged alcohol and usury to prey on the goyim across eastern Europe... These families still carry to this day a deep-seated resentment towards Christian Russians, who fought back and pogromed them.





The relevant part about Russia in this video above starts here, at the 2:14:00 mark:
https://youtu.be/s6bqSf5ShCU?t=8086

I'd strongly recommend watching and recording this whole E. Michael Jones seminal work, as it is getting yanked it out aggressively from the internets.

This visceral tribal resentment is what drives the current wave of Russophobia across the conquered West, and the phobia towards Russia's allies in the Mideast, Iran and Assad's Syria, who together have successfully stifled zio-jihadi plans for the region. The sanctions on Iran, which resulted in the arrest of this Chinese CFO, are a symptom of this ancestral tribal hatred that has hijacked the entire US/NATO foreign policy agenda.


Actually don't get me wrong, I'm all for a national North American and western European industrial policy that will protect the middle class of our countries, and a more aggressive trade policy towards China will ultimately benefit America's heartland, and that of the Gilets Jaunes that are standing up for their dignity across France.

Guys like Jefferson up here have been sold on a century of neoliberal economic dogma of "free trade", ignoring the fact that the industrial might of countries like China, Japan and S. Korea has been built by national industrial policies that championed and protected local firms. It's like a sapling that you fence off to keep the deer away for the first few years, that grows into a mighty tree. You really have to hand it to these governments, China's in particular, for taking care of their people's welfare and building up their countries into mighty industrial powers. This is what my post above was all about.

Don't get sucked into dumbed-down nationalism though, China is a rival, not an enemy. Ultimately, there is a "win-win" path and room to grow for both Chinese and western economies, but there needs to be a radical change of course from the globalist programmed destruction of the West. This will translate into a bit of friction, but that friction needn't escalate into a hot war. The US needs to take some cues from China and scale back its military overreach and use those resources to promote strong industrial growth at home, we in North America are energy independent and completely impervious to foreign invasions, the main threats to our people are from within.

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I'm not ignoring the fact that countries, including the US btw, have in the past used protectionism. Perfectly legitimate for 'sapling' economies, when they're still infants. The US is no longer a 'sapling' or 'infant', it is the largest most developed, most powerful economy on earth, yet it is to be treated like a sapling?

Starting to look like old age, nappies for the baby and nappies for the old man.

Right now there is no justification for the protectionism of tariffs for US manufacturers.

Indeed there is a 'win-win' path where all economies can grow, and that is by free trade. Do you really think tariffs will benefit American manufacturers in the long term? They will not.

"Here’s the Trump administration’s theory. Import tariffs will raise the artificially low prices of Chinese goods and enable U.S. companies to produce those products domestically. This, they believe, will create jobs and make America great again.

Unfortunately, shifting production from China to the U.S. isn’t like flipping a switch. Businesses need to build facilities, hire and train workers, reorganize the supply chain, and so on. It takes time and, more important, money.

Why make that kind of multiyear investment when the tariffs that make it feasible might come down any time?

Business owners know this. More important, Xi Jinping knows it.

Long Stalemate

The most likely outcome of this trade war, in my view, is a long stalemate. Each government will wait for the other one to break.

That means the U.S. will see price inflation long before it sees outsourced manufacturing return from abroad.

Inflation plus higher interest rates will further strengthen the U.S. dollar. This will make our exports more expensive and encourage other countries to find alternative suppliers.

In other words, U.S. trade policy is unlikely to achieve the desired goals, but it will certainly inflict pain on Americans. The big unknown is how much pain we can take before the political process forces a change.

That’s not an economic question anyone can answer. But it’s an important one."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickwwat...8135712ee7

I should point out that the author writing the above is an American who works not at a protected ivy league university, but at the frontline of economic research, Maudlin Partners, who advise hedge funds, investors and corporate institutions.
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(12-06-2018 03:38 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Speaking from personal experience, the quality of Huawei's phone blows the competition out of the water, including USA's own overpriced steaming pile of shit known as "Apple". Chinese manufacturing and trade practices aside, it's no wonder that dirty tactics have to be used to suppress its market share. It's one of the few Chinese products that genuinely provides great value.

Quote:Huawei has apparently been supplying major contracts in the West while building back doors into the hardware for the Chinese government to abuse. Colour me shocked.

And we're supposed to believe this coming from the same "intelligence" agencies who have long since been proven to spy on all of us through all forms of hardware, firmware, software and communications infrastructure? Monkey

I imagine one could still say "but it's fine for my own intelligence agencies to spy on me, the Chinese aren't allowed to though", but these intelligence agencies are not our own either - they're just lairs of globalist traitors - so who cares?

Agree with this. My Huawei phone has been great for two years. Excellent product in a free market.

So the market has to be rigged. I've read the stories about alleged Huawei hardware/software backdoors, and they never describe or explain any proof of such. Nobody can describe or prove that the backdoors are there, with millions of Huawei items around the world?

It's just as possible that this is a fake story to malign a commercial competitor of US businesses.

This is supposedly about Iran sanctions, which are increasingly pissing off the rest of the world and motivating them to do things like create a banking system not controlled by the US and establishing a reserve currency other than the dollar.

More trouble coming with China because Trump is cucked out to Israel and Saudi Arabia to have Americans fight a war on Iran for them. But ya I know 7D chess, Q.
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(12-06-2018 04:51 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  
(12-06-2018 03:38 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Speaking from personal experience, the quality of Huawei's phone blows the competition out of the water, including USA's own overpriced steaming pile of shit known as "Apple". Chinese manufacturing and trade practices aside, it's no wonder that dirty tactics have to be used to suppress its market share. It's one of the few Chinese products that genuinely provides great value.

Quote:Huawei has apparently been supplying major contracts in the West while building back doors into the hardware for the Chinese government to abuse. Colour me shocked.

And we're supposed to believe this coming from the same "intelligence" agencies who have long since been proven to spy on all of us through all forms of hardware, firmware, software and communications infrastructure? Monkey

I imagine one could still say "but it's fine for my own intelligence agencies to spy on me, the Chinese aren't allowed to though", but these intelligence agencies are not our own either - they're just lairs of globalist traitors - so who cares?

Agree with this. My Huawei phone has been great for two years. Excellent product in a free market.

So the market has to be rigged. I've read the stories about alleged Huawei hardware/software backdoors, and they never describe or explain any proof of such. Nobody can describe or prove that the backdoors are there, with millions of Huawei items around the world?

It's just as possible that this is a fake story to malign a commercial competitor of US businesses.

This is supposedly about Iran sanctions, which are increasingly pissing off the rest of the world and motivating them to do things like create a banking system not controlled by the US and establishing a reserve currency other than the dollar.

More trouble coming with China because Trump is cucked out to Israel and Saudi Arabia to have Americans fight a war on Iran for them. But ya I know 7D chess, Q.

Android by its very design is meant to spy on you. The feds are just mad that someone else is playing them at their own game and frankly i'd rather have an aspie Mormon in Utah knowing what my porn fetishes are than some Chicom.

As for the non-dollar banking systems, Russia and China have been blowing smoke for years about ditching the dollar.

China and to a lesser extent the Russians are too heavily invested in USTs . Selling them wholesale will cause the treasuries to lose value hurting the seller in the process.

This is by design.

The dollar isn't going anywhere. China's in a tight spot with this one and they know it.
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I love the phrase "cowardly tariffs", as if an economic concept were a living being that could somehow be bold, courageous, cowardly, emotional, sensitive...

It's just a tool. Get over it.

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(12-06-2018 04:00 PM)Jefferson Wrote:  The thing is Trump keeps saying he wants to "Level the playing field".

Just like Globalman above claimed the tariffs were about fairness.

In reality Trump is using tariffs as an excuse to impose even greater tariffs to protect US manufacturers. That's the whole point, to impose large US tariffs to protect US manufacturers, protectionism, not competition. Note how China has removed the 40% tariff on cars, but Trump has done nothing of the sort himself.

So nobody should buy the claim the tariffs are about levelling the playing field, the exact opposite is what the US doing.

Tell it like it is, the US is too scared of competition now and is merely restricting access to its markets for protectionist reasons.

A trade deficit is not 'concrete evidence of getting fucked', it can also simply mean you're not producing products the world wants at the same rate as others are.

Again, the reason why German cars are outselling American cars is not because of tariffs, it's because the world wants to buy German cars because they are better.

If the Americans want to impose protectionist, cowardly tariffs that distort competition, then say so. Don't say you're 'levelling the playing field' or some such bullshit.

I agree about German cars being better (see my av and handle, lol). What the US hasn't done though is (1) to properly leverage its market power by making sure German and other foreign automakers produce in the US, and (2) punish upstart industrial rivals in east Asia for their blatant protectionism.

Here is a picture of one of the biggest plants in the western hemisphere, the VW plant in Puebla, Mexico, producing cars like the Jetta and Tiguan that are mainly destined for the American market.This plant was slated to double in size and become the largest auto plant in the entire western hemisphere, at this point VW might want to reconsider sending some of these jobs north of the Rio Grande:

[Image: VW_Puebla_1.jpg]

There's that NAFTA "giant sucking sound" that Ross Perot mentioned in his presidential debate vs. George Herbert Walker Bush, the grandfather of globalism in America that many on this site are still fawning over:




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I'm trying desperately to understand how matching another nation's tariffs is "weak" and "not fair"

We're reaching cognitive dissonance levels previously thought impossible.

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The U.S. government's unprecedented crackdown on Huawei seems rather transparently motivated by fear of their smartphones gaining huge market share in the West. This is ostensibly due to concerns about Chinese government hardware backdoors in the phones. It looks very much like a case where the lady doth protest too much. In other words, the U.S. Deep State already has its own hardware backdoors in Apple and Samsung devices, but doesn't have them in Huawei phones. It's sad to say as an American, but I'd rather be spied on by China than my own government. The Chinese at least don't have the ability to kick my door in and throw me in prison any time they want.

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Not to mention that Chinese will leave you alone as long as you don't criticize Winnie Xi Jinping, whereas in USA you could get your doors kicked in for accidentally calling a tranny the wrong pronoun.

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(12-06-2018 05:59 PM)scorpion Wrote:  The U.S. government's unprecedented crackdown on Huawei seems rather transparently motivated by fear of their smartphones gaining huge market share in the West. This is ostensibly due to concerns about Chinese government hardware backdoors in the phones. It looks very much like a case where the lady doth protest too much. In other words, the U.S. Deep State already has its own hardware backdoors in Apple and Samsung devices, but doesn't have them in Huawei phones. It's sad to say as an American, but I'd rather be spied on by China than my own government. The Chinese at least don't have the ability to kick my door in and throw me in prison any time they want.

Exactly.

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(12-06-2018 04:51 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  
(12-06-2018 03:38 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Speaking from personal experience, the quality of Huawei's phone blows the competition out of the water, including USA's own overpriced steaming pile of shit known as "Apple". Chinese manufacturing and trade practices aside, it's no wonder that dirty tactics have to be used to suppress its market share. It's one of the few Chinese products that genuinely provides great value.

Quote:Huawei has apparently been supplying major contracts in the West while building back doors into the hardware for the Chinese government to abuse. Colour me shocked.

And we're supposed to believe this coming from the same "intelligence" agencies who have long since been proven to spy on all of us through all forms of hardware, firmware, software and communications infrastructure? Monkey

I imagine one could still say "but it's fine for my own intelligence agencies to spy on me, the Chinese aren't allowed to though", but these intelligence agencies are not our own either - they're just lairs of globalist traitors - so who cares?

Agree with this. My Huawei phone has been great for two years. Excellent product in a free market.

So the market has to be rigged. I've read the stories about alleged Huawei hardware/software backdoors, and they never describe or explain any proof of such. Nobody can describe or prove that the backdoors are there, with millions of Huawei items around the world?

It's just as possible that this is a fake story to malign a commercial competitor of US businesses.

This is supposedly about Iran sanctions, which are increasingly pissing off the rest of the world and motivating them to do things like create a banking system not controlled by the US and establishing a reserve currency other than the dollar.

More trouble coming with China because Trump is cucked out to Israel and Saudi Arabia to have Americans fight a war on Iran for them. But ya I know 7D chess, Q.

Android by its very design is meant to spy on you. The feds are just mad that someone else is playing them at their own game and frankly i'd rather have an aspie Mormon in Utah knowing what my porn fetishes are than some Chicom.

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No "Chicom" is ever going to have you fired from your job, put you on a no-fly list, or ban you from owning a hunting rifle simply for using your First Amendment right and expressing your political opinions.

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This is a good thing. Trump is cutting the CCP down to size so they don't export their methods of social control over here via traitors like Dianne Feinstein and Andrew Yang. The Sino-U.S. dynamic is the one issue that Trump absolutely has to prevail in if he is to maintain American strength and garner the political capital to resist the globalists in the long term.

China is not an innocent downtrodden nationalist country that is just minding its own business. Its economy is based on Ponzi schemes that exploit its poorest 1 billion people, steal Western technology, and extend communist corruption via the One Belt One Road to second-rate countries whose dictators want an extra boost against their restive populations.

Like Trump, Xi Jinping's stated efforts at reform (I don't expect anyone here to read Chinese propaganda regularly but references to reform have been everywhere since Xi came on as Chairman) have been compromised by the Chinese equivalent of the Deep State, which is 10X worse than the American one since CCP doesn't even attempt to follow its own laws so everything is determined by factional interests. Trump's trade war is actually a blessing in disguise for Xi, since it will give him political leverage to break the back of the corrupt vested interests in Beijing.

If Trump can give Xi the opportunity he needs to open up the Chinese economy to use functioning market principles, it will be an actual win-win situation for both sides.
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(12-06-2018 02:55 PM)Jefferson Wrote:  Globalman claimed these tariffs were a good way to make China act 'fair'.
(12-06-2018 04:00 PM)Jefferson Wrote:  Just like Globalman above claimed the tariffs were about fairness.

I never mentioned the word "tariff" and was never referring to tariffs at all. My point had nothing to do with trade. Please don't use me to make your own (faulty) point.

But if you want to talk about these other things here you go:

Quote:here's an idea: Make cars that are as good as German cars. People buy German cars not because they love Germany or because the tariffs are what they are. They buy them because they are better than American cars.

German cars are among the least reliable cars with the lowest satisfaction, they don't even crack the top 10. Up until the late 90's they were great, sure, but these days a Hyundai made in Alabama is the the most reliable car. I guess if you want to be technical you could say a Hyundai is South Korean, but nevertheless a car made in America by American workers is indeed the most reliable. Not to mention the American made Toyotas etc. Even Chevy is more reliable than the Germans these days.

There is a reason people here only lease German cars now, and why their value is less than that of a Toyota Camry on the used market: They break a lot, and cost a shit ton to fix even minor problems. German cars are great- when they are working properly, and when someone else is paying to upkeep them.

Quote:American and German car manufacturers have the exact same obstacles in China. Why is Germany outselling US cars?

Pretty simple to anyone who knows the situation: Because the rich Chinese want bling bling Western "prestige" brands. That's it. They can't get enough of the perceived "luxury" brands. It is 100% to show off. In fact sometimes they initially don't even know what a specific brand is and have to be taught that it is a Luxury Western Good, then they buy. That's all that matters.

They aren't going to Jiffy Lube themselves, they don't care about reliability or cost or upkeep. They want our superior Western Bling Bling to show neighbor Ping they are big man now. There is no prestige in a simple but more reliable car.

Oh, and Cadillac is the #4 luxury brand in China btw, above Lexus and others. Why? They think it has "heritage and prestige". And Cadillac isn't great in reliability.

The Chinese aren't buying these luxury brands based on quality or informed decisions. They buy bling and prestige.

Quote:cowardly tariffs, ie to protect their own industries.

Quote:They are obviously cowardly, ineffective and passive aggressive ways to try and protect US interests

Quote:He wants to distort the playing field in the US favour. And the only way he can do it is by imposing massive tariffs. That's weak.

Quote:So the only thing the US can do is to introduce cowardly tariffs to protect itself. It's really weak.

My god I don't want to weak! We better be strong and have unfettered "free" trade and see who comes out on top! I wonder if totalitarian China with slave labor and manipulated currency and massive pollution has any advantage though? Who cares, it's weak to resist this, we have to play "fair"!

If you are strong you will let that bull fuck your wife! Prove your strength! Don't be weak!

Quote:A trade deficit is not 'concrete evidence of getting fucked', it can also simply mean you're not producing products the world wants at the same rate as others are.

No one can compete with China on price or volume. The west doesn't have unlimited 3rd world priced labor. Having that as the standard and implying that if you can't compete directly with that then you're "weak and cowardly" is asinine.

Quote:Reason why German cars are outselling American cars is not because of tariffs, it's because the world wants to buy German cars because they are better.

Again, no, it's not because of quality. Are you German? You've mentioned Germany like 15 times.


Quote:Now even the tiniest coal mine in the US is of crucial importance to the US economy apparently.

In one moment you are arguing for Bill Kristol no borders no restriction "free" (lol) trade, but then you are also stating that the U.S. economy has been damaged greatly (true) and how even the smallest things are important.

It sure seems like an economy that needs to "protect" itself then, dosen't it?

Quote:hamper what is in the best interest of the consumer, greater competition in smartphones by handicapping an upcoming new producer

The best interest of the consumer (when he is consuming) is to buy things for pennies made in a different place that does all the dirty work you don't want to be a part of, yes that's true.

But what you - and that consumer - don't realize or seem to care about is that you're buying yourself out of a job and a country. Artificially cheap stuff is great, right up until there are 100 million American citizens who are permanently without employment, businesses and communities gone, misery and suicide. But at least we played "fair" with China and weren't "weak".

We can plant our Strong Not Weak Free Trade victory flag on the rubble and pat ourselves on the back.

It absolute blind ignorance and insanity to suggest that China simply is or wants to play "fair" and that any resistance to outright direct unfettered "free" trade competition with them is "weak". Trade and manufacturing is so distorted in favor of China there could be tariffs imposed on China until the end of time and we may still never reach a level playing field.

I urge all of those who have this fairytale view of China to PM Suits- he'll help get you set up in Beijing. You can then see how amazingly free and fair things are.

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Jefferson yes the president should do anything and everything that makes America stronger, "fair" or not.

Life isn't fair, the world is not fair.

You are basically advocating (((libertarian))) globalism.
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Quote:No one can compete with China on price or volume. The west doesn't have unlimited 3rd world priced labor. Having that as the standard and implying that if you can't compete directly with that then you're "weak and cowardly" is asinine.

Not only are Chinese labour standards horrendous, it is actively known that China also outsources cheap labour to North Korea. All of this while massively polluting the environment.

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What you are is mentally retarded. How fucking stupid can you be to put China and fair in the same sentence? Not only you are mentally retarded but your extreme level of stupidity could at least grasp that China is sucking the west dry. Chinese are Jews on steroids. Our solely goal in West is to fuck and rip off chinese. Every time you can fuck a yellow bastard you’ve won your wings. This is the sole purpose of a chinese. To be ripped off. I would rather clean toilets with ny tongue than to live with chinese. Actually some bankers told me not long ago all this investment made by the yellows will be seized by government with some made up charge.
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Chardonnay, those extreme environmental problem are similar to the ones faced by Japan in the 1950s-60s. Things actually got so out of hand with pollution there that giant lizards spewing death rays from their mouth and wreaking havoc on Tokyo emerged every year from the ocean throughout the 60s. Icon_biggrin

(12-06-2018 06:36 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  This is a good thing. Trump is cutting the CCP down to size so they don't export their methods of social control over here via traitors like Dianne Feinstein and Andrew Yang. The Sino-U.S. dynamic is the one issue that Trump absolutely has to prevail in if he is to maintain American strength and garner the political capital to resist the globalists in the long term.

China is not an innocent downtrodden nationalist country that is just minding its own business. Its economy is based on Ponzi schemes that exploit its poorest 1 billion people, steal Western technology, and extend communist corruption via the One Belt One Road to second-rate countries whose dictators want an extra boost against their restive populations.

Like Trump, Xi Jinping's stated efforts at reform (I don't expect anyone here to read Chinese propaganda regularly but references to reform have been everywhere since Xi came on as Chairman) have been compromised by the Chinese equivalent of the Deep State, which is 10X worse than the American one since CCP doesn't even attempt to follow its own laws so everything is determined by factional interests. Trump's trade war is actually a blessing in disguise for Xi, since it will give him political leverage to break the back of the corrupt vested interests in Beijing.

If Trump can give Xi the opportunity he needs to open up the Chinese economy to use functioning market principles, it will be an actual win-win situation for both sides.

No offense Lunos, but that bolded statement there is delusional. By nearly every measure, China has has already caught up with the US as the world's greatest economic power. China produces nearly three times the number of cars made in the US annually, more than the annual output of the US, Japan and Germany combined. Its wealth is largely based on its industrial output, as opposed to ponzi schemes, or capital schemes like the Petrodollar, or the Fed running up US debt. Chinese wealth is based on Chinese labor, while US wealth is based on capital and capital markets, stripping domestic assets and shipping US jobs overseas.

And China "exploits its poorest billion people"? They do that by making them a hell of a lot richer, those ruthless commies are just so damn cruel.

They do steal technology, but most of their tech progress has been gained by leveraging their domestic market (which is now the world's largest, and that gap is growing), forcing foreign companies to transfer technology and produce domestically in exchange for access to their market. I'd be stoked about this if I were Chinese.

They also produce nearly 10 times as many STEM graduates as the US, and they don't lower their academic standards to accommodate for baizuo stuff like affirmative action or Title IX, or hamper their young graduates with crippling debt.

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I think you're probably too young to understand how far along that country has gotten since it shifted gears. Back in the 1980s, China wasn't much different from North Korea today.

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Fuck you traitorous cunt. Go to China. Leave the west . The West was becoming the whore of the world.
China don’t create nothing. They copy. And will always copy. To create they would have to be a democracy. But as a democracy they would be unmanageable. So they are doomed to copy the West. Great knock off. The Chinese are filth. Sure there’s exceptions. But on average. If a nuclear bomb would wipe out China the world would become a better Place. btw the US instructed the European countries not to do business with China. Direct calls. You think I’m making this up. I’m not.
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Chill out dude...

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China has never played fair, since the time of the Roman emperors.

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(12-06-2018 05:31 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  I love the phrase "cowardly tariffs", as if an economic concept were a living being that could somehow be bold, courageous, cowardly, emotional, sensitive...

It's just a tool. Get over it.

Tariffs are not just 'an economic concept'. They are policies implemented by men. Men who are afraid of competition. Men who like a little comfort blanket in the face of the big bad world. Men, who are cowardly hiding.

If you think it's not obvious that tariffs are the economic equivalent of cowardly hiding behind mama's skirt you're wrong.
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(12-06-2018 05:32 PM)911 Wrote:  I agree about German cars being better (see my av and handle, lol). What the US hasn't done though is (1) to properly leverage its market power by making sure German and other foreign automakers produce in the US, and (2) punish upstart industrial rivals in east Asia for their blatant protectionism.

Here is a picture of one of the biggest plants in the western hemisphere, the VW plant in Puebla, Mexico, producing cars like the Jetta and Tiguan that are mainly destined for the American market.This plant was slated to double in size and become the largest auto plant in the entire western hemisphere, at this point VW might want to reconsider sending some of these jobs north of the Rio Grande:

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There's that NAFTA "giant sucking sound" that Ross Perot mentioned in his presidential debate vs. George Herbert Walker Bush, the grandfather of globalism in America that many on this site are still fawning over:




This has of course been tried. Trump has been very good in trying to direct companies to produce in the US. However, this is where Trump's power ends, even he can't force companies to do what they do not want to do on the macro level.

Ultimately the US, if it really is so upset about taking a backseat in exports, simply has to produce better cars, cameras, and other export times herself. Produce things that the world actually wants. You can do it with the Apple products. If you can do it there, why not with cars and other consumer products? The US has a wealth of genius. Why hide behind tariffs?
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