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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
(12-19-2018 05:37 AM)TheLegendofBentCock Wrote:  
(12-18-2018 02:31 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  Thanks for the responses. It does explain the pattern of behavior in the first place.

What I'm particularly curious about is why I've noticed this *increase* relative to a few months/years ago, when in a time ostensibly I'm more attractive(looks, style, vibe) and have better game/social skills than I ever did. Did something change? Maybe I noticed it more than I used to?

The other question is if they act like they don't want to meet guys, is do they not want guys to talk to them ever? I'm a reasonable person deep down, I'll give them what they want. But I've always thought if I talk to for example 30 Kiwi girls, and 10 or so(maybe higher) don't want to talk to me at all to varying degrees(and didn't want me approaching), while 1 is a viable option, I feel the 10 girls can just suck it up while I find that 1 girl. I will definitely leave/eject as soon as I can but I don't think it's fair that I cannot find that 1 girl. But the bad interactions make it difficult for me to learn- brutal rejections teach me I'm "doing something wrong" which is a real mindfuck if it doesn't seem like I am.

I am a daygame beginner and over here in England.

I can relate to much of what you are saying, especially about chicks just seeming to not want to talk to guys, like nothing good can come of it ever.

They only seem to associate negative things with "weird guys who talk to strangers" as one of my approach targets put it.

It's funny how you also mention the brutal rejections putting you off. I was out at the weekend in my local town and I had the same feeling. I wasn't afraid to approach and get rejected, but my non day game friend was with he and he said something along the lines of "Obviously, if you are approaching and getting brutally rejected every time, you are doing something wrong".

So that made me feel apathetic towards approaching for the last hour of daylight and I thought "well what is the point if they are just gonna get creeped out by me". A lot of day game interactions are so fleeting and brief that it's hard to get any sort of experience.

I am not sure how much of Bienvenuto's post is relevant, an interesting cultural insight, but I suspect since I can relate to you're problems so well from the other side of the world and a markedly less macho culture, that the problems are more fundamental basics than to do with culture.

I don't think so. The OP and others specifically said that Anglo girls respond more negatively to cold approaches than girls from other European, Asian and American cultures. New Zealand and England obviously both have Anglo cultures.
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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
OP's race is not an issue. He's in his early 20s, there are a lot of Asian guys dating white girls in these countries (AU and NZ) in the younger age groups, it's fairly common. I'm in my mid 30s now and I've been dating mostly white girls my whole life.

Younger Anglo white girls are socialised differently to girls from other groups. They usually have helicopter parents who only have 1 or at most 2 children, thus becoming super protective of them. They never get to socialise with people from a variety of age groups or outside of their immediate social circle, usually at school. If you ever see them at parties, you'll notice that they only talk to the same group they already know, they hardly socialise with those from other groups even if they share mutual friends. Girls like those generally don't respond well to more direct cold approaches. You need good timing and solid social proof before talking to them.

Having said that, those socially retarded girls are not that fun to be around. If OP is successful with European, NA and Asian girls, he should stick to them.

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(12-19-2018 06:36 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  OP's race is not an issue.

Yes it is.

It massively affects his attractiveness to Anglo girls. Asian guys are at the bottom of the dating pool for Anglo girls. Period.

Whether or not there are a "lot of Asian guys" dating white girls in AU in NZ is besides the point. It may be getting more common. Again, besides the point.

For us to have a frank discussion about what he needs to do, we need to be able to have a frank discussion about race and Game without putting on blue-pilled sugarcoated fantasies.

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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
Im not sure what anglo women means exactly but I’m assuming its white women with sharp features.

These women are the most coveted ones on the planet and they have the best of options to choose from.

Not meant to be offensive, but asians, especially non exceptional ones, don’t really have much of a shot with these women. Asians, just like indians, have to be exceptional, so much so that they beat out their majority (white) counterparts just to not get instantly rejected. Takes work.

Learning game (which is essentially low value men making the behaviors of high value men their habits) will only get you so far, at some point your other attributes come into play such as looks/money/status.

This applies to any minority who tries to go after top tier white women. I’m indian and even I had to understand this - I had to basically become chad-like just to stand a shot with hot white women. They will not be dragged down by being seen dating a minority who at face value other women wouldn’t want; their image matters too much.
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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
The other thing I’d like to add is that there’s a strong chance white women just aren’t attracted to asians. If I go back to india I’m not attracted to the vast majority of women there unless they have western features.

Its just like how most white women arent attracted to indians unless they have masculine western features and are pretty whitewashed.

I’m not attracted to asian women at all, but occasionally I find ones that look a bit different than all other asians (westernized). I find them very attractive.

Its not really racism, its just biology. Cant defeat it..
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(12-19-2018 08:47 PM)corsega Wrote:  
(12-19-2018 06:36 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  OP's race is not an issue.

Yes it is.

It massively affects his attractiveness to Anglo girls. Asian guys are at the bottom of the dating pool for Anglo girls. Period.

Whether or not there are a "lot of Asian guys" dating white girls in AU in NZ is besides the point. It may be getting more common. Again, besides the point.

For us to have a frank discussion about what he needs to do, we need to be able to have a frank discussion about race and Game without putting on blue-pilled sugarcoated fantasies.

Are you an Asian guy who has tried gaming white women?

If not, please kindly shut up and listen to those who have that direct experience. You can nerd out on your blue pill red pill matrix fantasies in your own time.

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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
(12-20-2018 12:23 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  
(12-19-2018 08:47 PM)corsega Wrote:  
(12-19-2018 06:36 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  OP's race is not an issue.

Yes it is.

It massively affects his attractiveness to Anglo girls. Asian guys are at the bottom of the dating pool for Anglo girls. Period.

Whether or not there are a "lot of Asian guys" dating white girls in AU in NZ is besides the point. It may be getting more common. Again, besides the point.

For us to have a frank discussion about what he needs to do, we need to be able to have a frank discussion about race and Game without putting on blue-pilled sugarcoated fantasies.

Are you an Asian guy who has tried gaming white women?

If not, please kindly shut up and listen to those who have that direct experience. You can nerd out on your blue pill red pill matrix fantasies in your own time.

Hold on.

Are we talking at cross-purposes here?

I'm a white guy that knows the true realities of the dating market for Asian men. I have coached and mentored Asian men on how to get white women. Nothing that I'm saying is controversial. It is backed up by not only statistics (see my post above), but also thousands of reports from guys of all races.

White guy and Asian guy of equal looks, money, game, and status going after a white girl. The white guy is more likely to win.

Does this mean the white guy is always going to win? NO! Of course not! I'm talking about what happens the majority of the time.

Do you disagree with any of this, or am I just misunderstanding you?

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I don't disagree that you have your data and stats and they all support your reality. I'm just going to point out some common sense stuff, because your data is not very useful without the right context.

As you admitted, you are a white guy who has coached Asian guys on how to get white women. That very premise makes your data flawed. You are missing the obvious: you and your Asian friends should hear from Asian guys who are actually successful with dating white women. You are a white guy, you don't have first hand experience being an Asian man dating a white woman. You sound like you're in the PUA scene, and the kind of newbie Asian guys who get into it are the ones who struggle with women of all races, not just white ones. I guarantee you an Asian guy who can date attractive Asian girls will have absolutely no problem getting a white girl or whatever girl. Your newbie Asian guys would struggle horribly to get a half decent Asian girlfriend as well. For that matter, white guys with bad Game would struggle majorly with white girls too, else we wouldn't have the entire PUA movement and sites like this one.

What I'm telling you is that it is not race that is the issue, it is the man's Game and values.

When you go too "data driven", you tend to nerd out on stats too much and make this kind of nonsensical statement: "White guy and Asian guy of equal looks, money, game, and status going after a white girl. The white guy is more likely to win."

This scenario never ever happens in real life, and not only that, the very statement itself is horrible Game. Two guys of decent SMV should never ever compete with each other by going for the same girl. That is not how you game women, that is the very example of a scarcity mentality. Women love to be in that position (to choose between two high value guys) but men should never put themselves there. If some chick thinks I'd compete with another guy like a dancing monkey for her attention, I'd laugh at her face. She needs to earn my attention and time, not the other way around.

The reality is that when you have Game and high values (regardless of races), there are plenty of women available for you. It does not matter to me if a white guy (somehow of equal everything to me - that doesn't happen in real life, never met my white clone) attracts more women than me, if I also attract plenty of women already. My white clone doesn't "win", because that's not the competition, and there is never one. I'm out to find me an attractive woman (in this case a white one) and if I find one, that all that matters. I don't give a shit if some stats show that my white clone is more likely than me to attract a white woman, if I'm banging the brains out of a hot one. It should definitely be the case, by the way, that my white clone would attract more white women than me, and I would attract more Asian girls than him, but none of that matters if we both attract more than enough women for our needs.

I have seen the stats on this, trust me, I've heard them all. Oh the media portrays Asian men poorly... guess what, no white girl has ever said this to me "Oh StrikeBack, I can't go out with you because your kind is not on TV." They usually say something like "you're the first Asian man I've ever dated!" or "I didn't even know that Asian men like white girls because they never seem to ask us out". Shows you how many Asian bros miss out not because of race, but because of their lack of confidence. By the way that's something Asian men who have dated white women hear all the time.

Then there's that dumb freakonomics (or was it OKStupid) report from online dating showing that an Asian man needs to make $250K more than a white man to have the same dating chance. Well that's complete BS because I know so many Asian guys, myself included, who date white girls and none of us makes that much money.

Bottom line is this: you tell your Asian newbie guys that a white guy has (pulling numbers out of my arse here) 4 times the chance of landing an attractive white woman than them. A newbie with no Game sees that as an insurmountable challenge, it makes them think that their race is a liability. Someone like me thinks this way: well out of 1000 attractive white women, that white guy will attract 800, and I will attract 200. That's more than enough for one man, and happy hunting too, my white clone brother!

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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
(12-20-2018 01:43 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  <stuff>

Sounds like you agree that race is a factor, then. So in that case, I'm not really understanding your point.

If your point is "don't tell Asian guys that they have a hard time getting white women because it will demotivate them", I'd argue that you're just distorting reality to make people feel good, and setting them up for disappointment when they fail.

The guy asked why he's having bad interactions with Anglo girls. He listed factors. Race was brought up. I said it was a factor. You said it wasn't (but then now agree that it is, but we shouldn't tell guys these things because it could *gasp* demotivate them!)

(12-20-2018 01:43 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  no white girl has ever said this to me "Oh StrikeBack, I can't go out with you because your kind is not on TV." They usually say something like "you're the first Asian man I've ever dated!" or "I didn't even know that Asian men like white girls because they never seem to ask us out".

Classic example of confirmation bias. Of course you're never going to hear that — because you're going to attract white girls that don't have a problem with Asian guys.

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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
I think the problem lies more with the Aussie women specifically rather than the blanket Anglosphere in general.

In this other thread there's lots of replies ripping on them but I don't disagree with most of them since they're in line with my experiences:
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-39157-page-21.html

My story is similar to this thread:
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-34968.html
If it's a TV show where that thread is season one then I'm experiencing season two so nothing too spectacularly new.
I'm in a similar situation but I'm lacking the social circle to fall back on so I spend more time at least cold approaching at night hitting up different bars and nightclubs. I don't hit up the same ones as what can be promising one night can be shocking on a different night.

During the daytime at least it's as though the typical local Aussie women don't understand cold approach.

(12-19-2018 12:47 AM)corsega Wrote:  Do you currently look like more like this?

[Image: RvMYuP0.jpg]

It doesn't help that fucks like him (not that dude specifically since he made an effort) make the rest of us look like shit since he don't bother putting in some effort to his appearance.

When I'm out to look for girls normally I end up going after European chicks, the occasional curvy Latinas or women with massive fucking tits.

If going for Aussie women maybe go for the rare ones who are looking for your type in the first place.
On the other hand don't be surprised if Aussie women take leave to go to say New York to get pumped and dumped by 10 black dudes.
Just don't be that typical dumb Yank who puts them further up on a pedestal:
"Ahhhhhhhhh shit yer fraahm Ahhhstreyliah?"
Lolwtf

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(12-19-2018 04:19 PM)bodychariot Wrote:  Daygame = a gourmet home cooked meal
Nightgame = Meal at a Diner
Onlinegame = Greasy Delivery food

Online game is one method but it is a feeding frenzy of dudes so all the reason to diversify to approaching day and night.
Did someone mentioned looking for damaged goods online?
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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
I'm not really thinking clearly, so I'll bullet point the details that I want to say.

-Yes, NZ is really horrible. I don't plan on sticking around. I wouldn't even if the girls were decently hot and liked me.
-With regards to the original post/thread title, this problem is only Anglo girls. By that I mean NZ/Aus/UK. Non-Anglo Western girls don't do this.
-I can imagine white girls liking me less than if I was white but again this doesn't seem to sufficiently explain things.
-Afaik Kiwi girls would be uncomfortable with any guy they don't know approaching them. Unless they are 3-4 points hotter. But even then, I don't seem to notice Kiwis caring all that much about attractiveness. I guess only controlled trials would really work to find out for certain. I don't have a Kiwi friend(or a foreign friend dumb enough to come here) to test this.
-I can't see how the asian guy/white girl couples where the girl is actually worth a damn is "irrelevant".
-Talked to some of my foreign friends, it seems if they have their head screwed on straight they seem to agree Anglo girls have issues and are rude to them, guy or girl.
-Social circles in NZ are both difficult to break in and ridiculously boring. Kiwis really don't like putting in the effort to keep friendships, so the only ones that exist are those that are forced to by the environment(school/work/flatting). Suits says this about China but I believe it's significantly worse here.
-There are very few girls available to approach in NZ, which makes this whole situation feel much worse than it should. Not even hyperbole. If you have reasonable standards I'm guessing unless you go to bars/clubs you probably won't even hit 15 girls/week unless you make walking around your job.
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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
(12-19-2018 09:52 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  Im not sure what anglo women means exactly but I’m assuming its white women with sharp features.

These women are the most coveted ones on the planet and they have the best of options to choose from.

Not meant to be offensive, but asians, especially non exceptional ones, don’t really have much of a shot with these women. Asians, just like indians, have to be exceptional, so much so that they beat out their majority (white) counterparts just to not get instantly rejected. Takes work.

Learning game (which is essentially low value men making the behaviors of high value men their habits) will only get you so far, at some point your other attributes come into play such as looks/money/status.

This applies to any minority who tries to go after top tier white women. I’m indian and even I had to understand this - I had to basically become chad-like just to stand a shot with hot white women. They will not be dragged down by being seen dating a minority who at face value other women wouldn’t want; their image matters too much.

From a U.K. ethnic.

I concur with your assessments.

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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
Something to consider: There are Asians and there are Asians just like there are White guys and White guys.

FOB Asians (for example students from mainland China) are ALWAYS at a disadvantage to white chicks, especially in groups! Westernized Asians are more adapted to western ways. I'm putting you in the Westernized category Strikeback so I don't think what Corsega is on about 100% applies to you but more to FOB guys. The same would go for certain FOB White guys, they can also struggle. It's lack of local knowledge/customs and game that trips them up more than race... but race is an obvious physical signifier of differences or possible cultural incompatibility, especially if chicks are looking for in-group action. However if you are in the same in-group socially then race can be ignored, it seems more of a cold approach problem.

You're both right, but there are levels to it. It's not black and white... (hehe)

...and then there are chicks who have fetishes for foreign men. Playing up foreignness can sometimes help, like speaking to them in a different language and knowing stuff about far away places. They LOVE travelling and yapping on about it so using that angle is a great advantage over "boring" local guys...

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BTW we're getting slightly off topic. Anglo girls are currently more cunty than usual, that's the topic right?

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(12-20-2018 04:55 AM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  BTW we're getting slightly off topic. Anglo girls are currently more cunty than usual, that's the topic right?

Now that it's established I'm not imagining things nor is it my problem, the question/topic becomes WHY do Anglo girls not want to talk to strangers ever, and why they get so scared about it. And why the trend happened so fast here, and not elsewhere. If I cared about Anglo society, I could even go on to ask if I could do something about it, etc etc. Or if I was raising children here what are some good preventative solutions(ie, knowing what exactly causes this)

Sure there's smartphones and social media but why does it hit Anglos so hard? And why aren't guys doing something about it when the girls degrade so badly? And(well, I only know NZ) why are Anglo guys affected by this also?
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(12-20-2018 05:00 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  
(12-20-2018 04:55 AM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  BTW we're getting slightly off topic. Anglo girls are currently more cunty than usual, that's the topic right?

Now that it's established I'm not imagining things nor is it my problem, the question/topic becomes WHY do Anglo girls not want to talk to strangers ever, and why they get so scared about it. And why the trend happened so fast here, and not elsewhere. If I cared about Anglo society, I could even go on to ask if I could do something about it, etc etc. Or if I was raising children here what are some good preventative solutions(ie, knowing what exactly causes this)

Sure there's smartphones and social media but why does it hit Anglos so hard? And why aren't guys doing something about it when the girls degrade so badly? And(well, I only know NZ) why are Anglo guys affected by this also?

Do you have community guys you could go out and compare notes with? It sounds like the problem is mostly that you're in lone wolf mentality and you're suffering in silence.

Is there a local RSD branch or something like that?

http://shanghaibobby.com/ - This guy is originally from New Zealand, has a similar profile to you (Asian), and also constantly complained about New Zealand. You might contact him to see if he could give you some tips.

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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
(12-20-2018 05:00 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  
(12-20-2018 04:55 AM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  BTW we're getting slightly off topic. Anglo girls are currently more cunty than usual, that's the topic right?

Now that it's established I'm not imagining things nor is it my problem, the question/topic becomes WHY do Anglo girls not want to talk to strangers ever, and why they get so scared about it. And why the trend happened so fast here, and not elsewhere. If I cared about Anglo society, I could even go on to ask if I could do something about it, etc etc. Or if I was raising children here what are some good preventative solutions(ie, knowing what exactly causes this)

Sure there's smartphones and social media but why does it hit Anglos so hard? And why aren't guys doing something about it when the girls degrade so badly? And(well, I only know NZ) why are Anglo guys affected by this also?
I don't really spend time thinking about it because the majority of Anglo girls aren't attractive or feminine to me. Try East Asia or Eastern Europe if you're into feminine women who are up for being approached by men.
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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
The dating coaches at 'theattractiveforums' who travel the world to game made a post about the difference between UK girls and US girls when it comes to cold approach years ago. Long story short was that they all agree that you are much more likely to get a non-responsive, rude reply from a girl in the UK than in the US. They said that a UK '6' will have the bitchshield' of a 'US 9' or so lol

I was pleased when I read this, because I felt like I was going mad. Everyone in the comminuty always seems to dismiss logistical and cultural factors etc and just parrots ''Game, bro!!!'' although I noticed this difference in receptiveness to cold approach years ago when I spent some time in the US. And I don't think it was JUST my Brit accent which heled (although it probably did somewhat) because I noticed it with strangers interacting aswell etc, just making small talk. They are just way more polite and talkative. Brits can be really off when talking to strangers, and hot girls being approached in bars in particular can feel legit impossible

I don't know about New Zealand girls to be honest.

I really wanna go to Eastern Europe too experiment. Hopefully in 2019; I think i'd feel like I was in heaven if I was able to get more girls to simple talk back/ask ME a question etc!

Most approaches (unless she thinks you are really handsome) are like talking too a brick wall despite how much 'game' you have in my experience.

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Sure I'll leave the race topic for another thread another time Smile Just want to say that the issue here is really with Anglo girls, which everyone has a problem with, including Anglo guys, not just one race.

(12-20-2018 05:00 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  
(12-20-2018 04:55 AM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  BTW we're getting slightly off topic. Anglo girls are currently more cunty than usual, that's the topic right?

Now that it's established I'm not imagining things nor is it my problem, the question/topic becomes WHY do Anglo girls not want to talk to strangers ever, and why they get so scared about it. And why the trend happened so fast here, and not elsewhere. If I cared about Anglo society, I could even go on to ask if I could do something about it, etc etc. Or if I was raising children here what are some good preventative solutions(ie, knowing what exactly causes this)

Sure there's smartphones and social media but why does it hit Anglos so hard? And why aren't guys doing something about it when the girls degrade so badly? And(well, I only know NZ) why are Anglo guys affected by this also?

Anglo is the mainstream culture in ANZ, of course they are going to be affected more. If they are from a typical white ANZ suburban background, they would have smaller families, 1 or no sibling, hardly any cousin, never interact with neighbours or local communities, never talk to strangers (meaning anyone who's not in their immediate class group at school or uni)... Those girls are not going to respond well to your approaches. But it's not just you. Everyone else - other girls, children, the elderly, other adults, their professors, their bosses etc. - has the same problem with them. They were poorly socialised as children, and they develop into adults with retarded social skills. It's not that complicated. You guys need to be more observant of the environment and the society around you.

Down in NZ you have it even worse: white NZ women tend to come from the ugliest peasant Anglo-Saxon stock. Even if they don't get fat or become feminists, they are still unfortunate looking. I'm not entirely sure why you would bother with them if other girls including Europeans respond well to your approaches.

As for social circles, it's really not that hard. Do you have hobbies that you are passionate about, where there's a good mix of men and women in it? If you haven't got one, get into one or a few.

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(12-20-2018 06:43 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  Anglo is the mainstream culture in ANZ, of course they are going to be affected more. If they are from a typical white ANZ suburban background, they would have smaller families, 1 or no sibling, hardly any cousin, never interact with neighbours or local communities, never talk to strangers (meaning anyone who's not in their immediate class group at school or uni)... Those girls are not going to respond well to your approaches. But it's not just you. Everyone else - other girls, children, the elderly, other adults, their professors, their bosses etc. - has the same problem with them. They were poorly socialised as children, and they develop into adults with retarded social skills. It's not that complicated. You guys need to be more observant of the environment and the society around you.

Down in NZ you have it even worse: white NZ women tend to come from the ugliest peasant Anglo-Saxon stock. Even if they don't get fat or become feminists, they are still unfortunate looking. I'm not entirely sure why you would bother with them if other girls including Europeans respond well to your approaches.

As for social circles, it's really not that hard. Do you have hobbies that you are passionate about, where there's a good mix of men and women in it? If you haven't got one, get into one or a few.

In NZ we actually have big families for a Western country, which is interesting. So everyone I see on facebook who used to go to school with me has a couple siblings or so and a lot of them have cousins. However Kiwi culture itself is a little cliquey. Kiwis don't see a reason to make friends with or talk to anyone new.

>I'm not entirely sure why you would bother with them if other girls including Europeans respond well to your approaches.

As I said before, there just isn't enough girls here to approach. If I could approach 30 Euro girls a week comfortably then I would. But it just flat out isn't possible, no one in their right mind would come here and everything's all spread out.

Social circle: I've done a few hobbies and dabbled with a few things(gymnastics, trampolining, rock climbing, barre). The overwhelming conclusion is they "already know people" so they don't really want to know anyone else. Not to mention Kiwis themselves don't actually like doing hobbies, so there's virtually none available to begin with. Their high boredom tolerance and low quality standards also means that any event that comes up is often ridiculously bad, I don't actually like sitting at home on the computer(I know nerd types- especially online- and I'm different to them) but it's better than what's available here.

(12-20-2018 08:33 AM)corsega Wrote:  Do you have community guys you could go out and compare notes with? It sounds like the problem is mostly that you're in lone wolf mentality and you're suffering in silence.

Is there a local RSD branch or something like that?

There's an Auckland/NZ RSD facebook group I joined a while back to check out, at the advice of a Scandinavian friend(doesn't live here).

Given that Kiwis are not interested in hobbies/self improvement/game at all, the guys in that group are even more twisted and "off" than I believe they are in other countries. I wouldn't trust them, and I'm normally pretty trusting.
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Kiwis surely aren't that bad in NZ? I make a lot of Kiwi friends here in Aus through work, sports (powerlifting, MMA, even soccer) and dancing, the last one is all girls living in Auckland and Christchurch. I'm not trying to invalidate your experiences but I have never found it hard to make friends with Kiwis, they're among the funniest and friendliest I've met. I tend to make friends fairly easily, so maybe it's just me.

The lack of attractive girls I can definitely sympathise with though, that's my general impression too.

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I can't really explain/know the difference. My best guess is all the Kiwis who want to make new friends leave NZ. Or that if they are in a foreign country they're forced to be less cliquey. The vibe I get is they already have friends from school/work, so they are going to be superficially friendly at best because it's just too much hassle to deal with trying to make new friends. You could argue about whether that's good or bad, from their perspective, their actions make perfect sense. So I'm not going to impose on them. It's bad for me as someone who wants friends and is an outsider but I can't make people do things they don't want to do.

I'd imagine it was mainly my problem but I've had over half a dozen foreigners agree with me on this point. And it's uncomfortable to say/think about so I'd imagine more would agree if they were honest with themselves.
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I can't say I get the hype for Anglo women. I mean, I understand in Anglo countries they are the standard and thus more sought after, but IMHO they're far from being the most attractive white ethnicity. French girls, Southern European girls, Eastern European girls, white latinas, they all rank higher in my list.
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(12-21-2018 06:27 AM)Super Average Man Wrote:  I can't say I get the hype for Anglo women. I mean, I understand in Anglo countries they are the standard and thus more sought after, but IMHO they're far from being the most attractive white ethnicity. French girls, Southern European girls, Eastern European girls, white latinas, they all rank higher in my list.

Why would you be surprised by all these native English speakers who exhibit an in-group preference? Is that not the most sane and normal thing that anybody could do? At least it used to be.
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(12-21-2018 07:25 AM)RespectivePerspective Wrote:  
(12-21-2018 06:27 AM)Super Average Man Wrote:  I can't say I get the hype for Anglo women. I mean, I understand in Anglo countries they are the standard and thus more sought after, but IMHO they're far from being the most attractive white ethnicity. French girls, Southern European girls, Eastern European girls, white latinas, they all rank higher in my list.

Why would you be surprised by all these native English speakers who exhibit an in-group preference? Is that not the most sane and normal thing that anybody could do? At least it used to be.

Is The Catalyst a native English speaker? By his posts, I thought he was born in Asia.

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