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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
(12-21-2018 01:34 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  I can't really explain/know the difference. My best guess is all the Kiwis who want to make new friends leave NZ. Or that if they are in a foreign country they're forced to be less cliquey. The vibe I get is they already have friends from school/work, so they are going to be superficially friendly at best because it's just too much hassle to deal with trying to make new friends. You could argue about whether that's good or bad, from their perspective, their actions make perfect sense. So I'm not going to impose on them. It's bad for me as someone who wants friends and is an outsider but I can't make people do things they don't want to do.

I'd imagine it was mainly my problem but I've had over half a dozen foreigners agree with me on this point. And it's uncomfortable to say/think about so I'd imagine more would agree if they were honest with themselves.

Auckland tends to get a reputation for being a bit social reserved for asians (mainly indians as most of em act like weirdos lol no offense). Kiwi girls tends to be a bit stuck-up for non Caucasians but not as much as Aussie ones lol BUT they will give you clear indications when they are interested in you, specially at the night times when they are DTF (around 1.30am ish).

Two local advance level rsd layer guys had left the country a year ago for Europe due to the small suburbia size of Auckland (Queen st and Quay st are the only busy spot in the whole AKL). European tourists are your best bet as compared to kiwi chicks.

I am a newbie in game but most of my lays had come from the social circle game apart from a couple day or night game ones (obviously drunk nights lol). Hit me up for the day-game if you like.
12-28-2018 01:29 AM
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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
God I'm glad I'm an extremely light skinned Indian, to the point where most people now think I look Greek.

Not because I think that's better or more attractive.

But because I don't have the obsession with Anglo women the way some Indian and Asian guys on here do.

I live in Australia. 10-15 years ago sure an Anglo girlfriend was a decent thing, as they were hot and decently behaved.

Now they're awful. And as others alluded to on here, they have the most options out of anyone.
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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
(12-21-2018 09:41 AM)corsega Wrote:  Is The Catalyst a native English speaker? By his posts, I thought he was born in Asia.

Yes and yes.

(12-28-2018 07:17 PM)Rorogue Wrote:  But because I don't have the obsession with Anglo women the way some Indian and Asian guys on here do.

In case you're talking about me, the reason this is is because I live in a country where 70% or so of the girls and 30-40% of the hot ones are Anglo. And where there aren't many hot girls so you'll want to act every single time.
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I live in Australia too.

There are plenty of good ethnic women.

Hell, Greek and Italian girls are far more pleasant.

The red pill is about choosing women who like you, and are decent to you.

This some of the most blue pilled shit I've seen. Up there with the Indian/Asian autist incels on the RSD forum.
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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
Haven't seen any Greek and Italian girls here in NZ and the Asian and Indian girls here are similar lookswise to the Anglo girls.
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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
Well best chance for an Indian guy is to be physically in very good shape, dress masculine, and pick off the women who have a particular preference for a man of that type. There are aways ones like that.
Exaggerate your swarthy masculinity, don't dilute it.

The guy a few pages ago though (not you) who said he only goes for women of any race with 'Caucasian features' because 'that's biology', needs a psychiatrist.

I have very Caucasian features and I like the opposite.
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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
I sort of wished I hadn't started this thread in the game forum. I wanted to know maybe if I was doing something wrong and practical advice for it. But now that it's established what it is everyone goes "why do you want to know why people are this way instead of getting your life in order?".

It's called abstract thinking. And honestly I brought it on myself because the game forum is very practical. But because once the thread topic itself has gotten the few practical tips/advice out of the way the only things left to discuss without derailing is abstract. So the way I see it is if you don't like abstract topics don't read the thread.

Edit: Actually, I'll go ahead and start a new thread in EE on this. I don't want the practical posters to get bogged down by abstract posts, yet I imagine this is a topic people would like to discuss. If it isn't I'll let it get buried.
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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
For some reason in hostels and backpacking the only Anglo women who sort of cold approach me tend to be Australian (although I don't like their manly appearances) and sometimes British. American and Canadian women abroad seem to have their heads stuck up to their butt, never seem to do anything alone (always in a group) and faces glued into smartphones a lot.

I was seeing this a lot because I was in a hostel during Chuseok so all the hostels in Taiwan were full of female Anglo teachers on vacation from Korea and the American ones were generally the worse ones (in terms of appearance - fat - and social skills).
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(12-19-2018 09:52 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  Learning game (which is essentially low value men making the behaviors of high value men their habits) will only get you so far, at some point your other attributes come into play such as looks/money/status.

I take exception to this statement: game isn't about arriviste Chads elevating themselves to the level of "born" Chads. You're growing into the characteristics and behaviour of a Chad, and the sum of all that growth and strengthening of character is you; it doesn't make you any less of one, or the alpha equivalent of nouveau-riche. Just because you weren't born one.

(12-19-2018 09:52 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  This applies to any minority who tries to go after top tier white women. I’m indian and even I had to understand this - I had to basically become chad-like just to stand a shot with hot white women. They will not be dragged down by being seen dating a minority who at face value other women wouldn’t want; their image matters too much.

Again, nonsense. I'm a believer in the Models school of game in that I believe in being as true to yourself by the practice of game. Even though I identify as Australian and not as Chinese, I'm not using that as an edge in game — that is what I truly see as my identity.

(12-19-2018 08:47 PM)corsega Wrote:  For us to have a frank discussion about what he needs to do, we need to be able to have a frank discussion about race and Game without putting on blue-pilled sugarcoated fantasies.

Frankly, Corsega, even though you're probably not one of them, this whole "blue-pilled sugarcoated fantasies" sounds exactly like what racial protectionists blurt out when trying to keep those damn ethnics off their wimminz. Interestingly, my Dad, though on the other side of the coin, actually once lectured me on that in expressing his disapproval at my night game forays.

Yes, women — I wouldn't agree that white ones are especially so — innately prefer their own kind. Is that a red pill tenet? Yes. Does this mean that (white) women are irrecoverably out of bounds beyond some bullshit glass (bamboo? Huh ) ceiling? No! Mating isn't determined by some binary pairing beyond a guy's control.

(12-20-2018 01:55 AM)corsega Wrote:  Classic example of confirmation bias. Of course you're never going to hear that — because you're going to attract white girls that don't have a problem with Asian guys.

Yes and no. Sure they aren't going to say that to your face — although it's happened to me once, with qualification — StrikeBack wasn't referring to attracting girls who don't have a problem with Asian guys insofar as — to my understanding — said birds either were on the fence, had no opinion towards being with Asian guys, or were open to the idea. Totally different to attracting girls who have an explicit attracting towards them.

(12-28-2018 09:02 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  I sort of wished I hadn't started this thread in the game forum. I wanted to know maybe if I was doing something wrong and practical advice for it. But now that it's established what it is everyone goes "why do you want to know why people are this way instead of getting your life in order?".

It's called abstract thinking. And honestly I brought it on myself because the game forum is very practical. But because once the thread topic itself has gotten the few practical tips/advice out of the way the only things left to discuss without derailing is abstract. So the way I see it is if you don't like abstract topics don't read the thread.

Edit: Actually, I'll go ahead and start a new thread in EE on this. I don't want the practical posters to get bogged down by abstract posts, yet I imagine this is a topic people would like to discuss. If it isn't I'll let it get buried.

Race might be an elephant in the room, but not to the extent that the other posters on this thread are making it out to be.

Almost as bad as the ethnic bloke carrying a persecution complex is the ones theorising "what else" as a deflection from his own betterment. Sticking around in NZ mightn't be the best long term solution, but in between navel-gazing about how atrocious Anglo birds are, or relocating, neither extreme is the magic wand that you can wave to vaporise your game qualms.

For the record, I actually went in reverse, going through a stage where I thought I did better with European girls. I've only ever fucked white girls, most are Aussie, and a disproportionate number have been American. In contrast, Asian girls from the Anglosphere have been complete rubbish, especially the ones I've come across in Berlin. Since moving to Europe, I've done better than ever with Anglo chicks for some reason. Two of my plates here have been American, as with most of my worthwhile approaches and dates, including girls from Toronto and NZ!

Everything else considered, I largely agree with what other guys in this thread have said about Anglo chicks. Even white Aussie/KW guys here in Europe, those to AFAIK don't outright follow the game, are 50/50 divided on this, those who believe that European/German girls are superior to Aussie girls....in fact, so many of the feedback I've heard makes me wonder whether they've perused game material such as this forum!
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(12-19-2018 06:36 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  OP's race is not an issue. He's in his early 20s, there are a lot of Asian guys dating white girls in these countries (AU and NZ) in the younger age groups, it's fairly common. I'm in my mid 30s now and I've been dating mostly white girls my whole life.

Younger Anglo white girls are socialised differently to girls from other groups. They usually have helicopter parents who only have 1 or at most 2 children, thus becoming super protective of them. They never get to socialise with people from a variety of age groups or outside of their immediate social circle, usually at school. If you ever see them at parties, you'll notice that they only talk to the same group they already know, they hardly socialise with those from other groups even if they share mutual friends. Girls like those generally don't respond well to more direct cold approaches. You need good timing and solid social proof before talking to them.

Having said that, those socially retarded girls are not that fun to be around. If OP is successful with European, NA and Asian girls, he should stick to them.

Well it depends on what exactly we're talking about. OP's race definitely isn't a major factor if he's looking for a Quality LTR. But if he's looking for Flags & Strings of Pump & Dumps... then race is the unmovable obstacle in the way! I've always called this the Eminem rule: as a minority player; you'll get Half the results if you put in about twice as much work! And that's why, in my humble opinion, minority players shouldn't be so Gung Ho about the # flags that much... since it doesn't necessarily reflect the extent of your skillet! As long as your batting around .500 with your maybe girls you're doing alright.
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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
(12-30-2018 05:31 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  
(12-19-2018 06:36 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  OP's race is not an issue. He's in his early 20s, there are a lot of Asian guys dating white girls in these countries (AU and NZ) in the younger age groups, it's fairly common. I'm in my mid 30s now and I've been dating mostly white girls my whole life.

Younger Anglo white girls are socialised differently to girls from other groups. They usually have helicopter parents who only have 1 or at most 2 children, thus becoming super protective of them. They never get to socialise with people from a variety of age groups or outside of their immediate social circle, usually at school. If you ever see them at parties, you'll notice that they only talk to the same group they already know, they hardly socialise with those from other groups even if they share mutual friends. Girls like those generally don't respond well to more direct cold approaches. You need good timing and solid social proof before talking to them.

Having said that, those socially retarded girls are not that fun to be around. If OP is successful with European, NA and Asian girls, he should stick to them.

Well it depends on what exactly we're talking about. OP's race definitely isn't a major factor if he's looking for a Quality LTR. But if he's looking for Flags & Strings of Pump & Dumps... then race is the unmovable obstacle in the way! I've always called this the Eminem rule: as a minority player; you'll get Half the results if you put in about twice as much work! And that's why, in my humble opinion, minority players shouldn't be so Gung Ho about the # flags that much... since it doesn't necessarily reflect the extent of your skillet! As long as your batting around .500 with your maybe girls you're doing alright.

If one can portrait cool personality traits then the minority race case can become an advantage (not easy to do that as it takes some time to game n travel).

I had a flatmate few years back who was probably the best ethnic gamer i have ever seen (well traveled). He had a Latin gf at home, was banging one kiwi girl from his uni (was doing MBA) and on top of that he was doing lunch time pulls for casual purpose. Met him few months and he is still balling....

Anyway most of the ethnic guys i have met over the years really don't have a basic understanding of western society norms or routines so they can barely hold any relevant communication so that's the problem to start with for them. Now Guys who moved here at young age or born here tends to do better than others in my opinion.
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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
This is the problem that I have with this.

If you wanna get the quality women then you have to hang out with other Alphas.

OP says that Kiwis are not only insular and cliquey but that they have very few hobbies and interests.
They may have cliquey social circles but NZ is one of the most outdoors and sporty countries in the Western world, or just the world..

Two words.

For Winter word one: rugby.
Kiwis live breathe and die their rugby, it is their national religion, their communities still revolve around their rugby clubs.
Yeah its hard to learn the rules, but not that hard. Yes its a physical sport but how much does OP want to get with women?
Because once you get past the initial hurdles you have ready made friends, drinking partners and a social life if you want it. And all the people, playing and non-playing, know chicks to introduce him to.

For Summer word two: touch rugby.
Which is a mixed sport that has loads of people playing.
Bonus OP, you don't even have to tackle anyone.

I will accept that OP is so shit hot at rock climbing, parkour, solo sports like skate boarding that he doesn't have time in his day or schedule for doing 'normie sports' that don't involve doing somersaults or hanging in mid-air.

Anything along the lines that OP just doesn't do that much of these things, can't be bothered, is physically sleight, can't run that much, can't catch that well and I will begin to smell a rat.

Also, whilst that transformation in style a few pages back showed that an Asian 3 has room to manoeuvre the guy still looks like an ugly hipster with noodle arms who would only get laid in Montreal or Portland or La Rive Gauche in Paris (and the last one would be a pity fuck).
OPs response that he doesn't look as bad as the incel photo but hasn't got the jaw-line of the ugly motherfucker in the 'transformed' picture does not inspire confidence.

Neither does the fact that OP posted in the drawing thread that he looks quite 'arty' and could maybe use 'hey, let me draw your picture..' as an approach.

It sounds very much like OP wants to get the responses that a Chad would get, without doing the work to transform himself into something more chad-like.

In which case - what does OP expect?

We had an Indian guy in the Scandi-Lady-Decapitation thread confidently going on about the Weakness of The White Men he saw around him in Australia.

In fricking Australia?
Oh no.. in Melbourne to be precise
Phaggotsville, hipster, soy-boy, Latte, Melbourne.

But the real answer was that that guy wasn't hitting the proper gyms, playing sports to a good level or hitting up the big clubs where the quality women were to see that even in Melbourne there were many Chad McChads that he just couldn't (wouldn't) compete with.

He was bitching out the guys, OP is bitching out the women (and many have already accepted the role of social trends here) but my suspicion is that OP is not putting himself any where near the level he needs to be to get different responses he wants from these women.
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(12-30-2018 07:07 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  I will accept that OP is so shit hot at rock climbing, parkour, solo sports like skate boarding that he doesn't have time in his day or schedule for doing 'normie sports' that don't involve doing somersaults or hanging in mid-air.

Anything along the lines that OP just doesn't do that much of these things, can't be bothered, is physically sleight, can't run that much, can't catch that well and I will begin to smell a rat.

Also, whilst that transformation in style a few pages back showed that an Asian 3 has room to manoeuvre the guy still looks like an ugly hipster with noodle arms who would only get laid in Montreal or Portland or La Rive Gauche in Paris (and the last one would be a pity fuck).
OPs response that he doesn't look as bad as the incel photo but hasn't got the jaw-line of the ugly motherfucker in the 'transformed' picture does not inspire confidence.

Neither does the fact that OP posted in the drawing thread that he looks quite 'arty' and could maybe use 'hey, let me draw your picture..' as an approach.

It sounds very much like OP wants to get the responses that a Chad would get, without doing the work to transform himself into something more chad-like.

In which case - what does OP expect?

We had an Indian guy in the Scandi-Lady-Decapitation thread confidently going on about the Weakness of The White Men he saw around him in Australia.

In fricking Australia?
Oh no.. in Melbourne to be precise
Phaggotsville, hipster, soy-boy, Latte, Melbourne.

But the real answer was that that guy wasn't hitting the proper gyms, playing sports to a good level or hitting up the big clubs where the quality women were to see that even in Melbourne there were many Chad McChads that he just couldn't (wouldn't) compete with.

He was bitching out the guys, OP is bitching out the women (and many have already accepted the role of social trends here) but my suspicion is that OP is not putting himself any where near the level he needs to be to get different responses he wants from these women.

I don't know what you mean exactly.

Roughly speaking I am similar in thought to someone like Nick Krauser and all I want is to get good at the London Daygame Model and get similar results to any typical intermediate who would be good at that model.

Never said I was hot shit at my sports.

Where did I bitch out at the women? I re-read what I said, I don't see any bitching. I feel you're the one seeing the bitching in your head.

As far as I know Nick Krauser doesn't play rugby or is super jacked, so why are you trying so hard to make yourself feel better vs me because I'm not? Huh

Edit: Also for the record most Kiwis don't even play rugby so(from people I know in uni/middle class background anyway)... my point still stands about few hobbies/interests.

I don't know what you think you're reading. If you think I'm having a go at them, think whatever you want. I just want to be clear to foreigners who may want to do things that NZ is not the place for them. Cultural differences. Yet (a lot of)Kiwis will insist that they do cool stuff and if other people don't like it that the problem is with them.
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(12-30-2018 02:13 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  As far as I know Nick Krauser doesn't play rugby or is super jacked, so why are you trying so hard to make yourself feel better vs me because I'm not? Huh

Krauser doesn't need to work on social circle
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(12-30-2018 04:43 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  
(12-30-2018 02:13 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  As far as I know Nick Krauser doesn't play rugby or is super jacked, so why are you trying so hard to make yourself feel better vs me because I'm not? Huh

Krauser doesn't need to work on social circle

I guess the implied question is whether or not I do(more than average).

I have non-Kiwi(non-Anglo) friends. So the question is if I need Kiwi friends while I continue to live in NZ or not.
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(12-29-2018 09:09 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  
(12-20-2018 01:55 AM)corsega Wrote:  Classic example of confirmation bias. Of course you're never going to hear that — because you're going to attract white girls that don't have a problem with Asian guys.

Yes and no. Sure they aren't going to say that to your face — although it's happened to me once, with qualification — StrikeBack wasn't referring to attracting girls who don't have a problem with Asian guys insofar as — to my understanding — said birds either were on the fence, had no opinion towards being with Asian guys, or were open to the idea. Totally different to attracting girls who have an explicit attracting towards them.

I've dated one white girl who prefers Asian guys before meeting me, as she's spent some time in Japan and Korea prior to that. Most of the rest have no opinion either way because they have never even thought about dating one. Some of those, after we went our separate ways, started dating other Asian guys, and they even dressed up their new BFs suspiciously like me. A minority didn't even like Asian guys at all and thought it would never work due to cultural differences or they simply didn't like how skinny, weak and young Asian guys typically look. Those girls tend to come from small towns, rural areas i.e "redneck" background. My wife is in this last group, used to reject Asian guys trying to ask her out at church or uni left right and center, yet she fell for me head over heels on the first night we met!

For 18 years since I dated the first white girl, I have never actually got a rejection along the line of "sorry I don't date Asians" (I know girls do that to other guys). My identity is so much stronger than my ethnicity, people interacting with me have many other ways to identify me than that. People don't think about race when you're cool and interesting to talk to.

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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
Going out of my way to ignore Anglo girls really pays off dividends. Every girl I interacted with who wasn't Anglo was warm and friendly and I actually have a chance to work my magic. The fact that Anglo girls keep blowing me out was really fucking with my head and preventing me from actually being calm and having a great vibe.
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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
(01-03-2019 01:58 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  Going out of my way to ignore Anglo girls really pays off dividends. Every girl I interacted with who wasn't Anglo was warm and friendly and I actually have a chance to work my magic. The fact that Anglo girls keep blowing me out was really fucking with my head and preventing me from actually being calm and having a great vibe.

Probably its your vibe that's giving you away, i have a friend here in Auckland who's into milf's (like 40ish ones lol) and he rarely gets any since he tends to come of needy at some point of every set.
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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
One thing I'll say that'll contrast slightly with what my good friend corsega and some others are saying is that it isn't just Asians who get hostility when cold approaching Anglo girls, but white guys too. Even attractive white guys.

Yes, looks and race are factors, but the core issue here is that you're a stranger going up to talk to them. And there is a particular way many girls raised in Anglo culture are going to react to that.

My advice to OP and others like him is to learn to reframe it as a challenge, or to just focus on the kinds of girls who are friendly. I'd go with the former. I view these girls as wild horses that just need to be tamed by the right kind of man. I recall back when I first started in 2014, that I resented having to learn game in NYC because of all the women like this, rather than the seemingly friendly ones I'd see in infields done in SoCal from the likes of Simple Pickup. Built character and learned to grow thick skin as a result.

I could go into more detail, but that's the gist of it.
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(01-03-2019 07:53 AM)MathGuy Wrote:  One thing I'll say that'll contrast slightly with what my good friend corsega and some others are saying is that it isn't just Asians who get hostility when cold approaching Anglo girls, but white guys too. Even attractive white guys.

Yes, looks and race are factors, but the core issue here is that you're a stranger going up to talk to them. And there is a particular way many girls raised in Anglo culture are going to react to that.

This. A million times this lol.
I've touched on this in my own journal. It's something that is barely spoken about in the community and i'm not sure i've got the energy to start the topic!
Now that i've since had the time to game with various people over a decent time frame, it's safe to say that it's somewhat common, at least in certain areas, to get fairly hostile reactions to cold approach, even if you have 'game' and come over as friendly and cool and not creepy etc. It's just the whole 'stranger' element. Depending on the culture (and even sub culture) it can really be a rough ride to try to get more than a 'hi' out of a hot girl, even in a bar! Don't know whether it's to do with social media, but girls will really only speak to people who are at least linked to their social circle at least where I live. (I have much better luck with Forreign girls who are living here though. I guess they were raised to not be so fearful of strangers)

I'm talking about South East UK, OUTSIDE of London, for what it's worth. And in a somewhat 'chavvy' area. When I went to the US (multiple states) it was about 85 times easier for me to 'hook' a set. I don't think I got one hostile reaction there. Accent would have helped, but it was more the culture of Americans being way more receptive to talking to strangers compared to Brits. (obviously still state dependent to some extent. New York will be a rougher ride than California for example)

My journal : https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-57783.html
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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
(01-03-2019 07:53 AM)MathGuy Wrote:  One thing I'll say that'll contrast slightly with what my good friend corsega and some others are saying is that it isn't just Asians who get hostility when cold approaching Anglo girls, but white guys too. Even attractive white guys.

Yes, looks and race are factors, but the core issue here is that you're a stranger going up to talk to them. And there is a particular way many girls raised in Anglo culture are going to react to that.

My advice to OP and others like him is to learn to reframe it as a challenge, or to just focus on the kinds of girls who are friendly. I'd go with the former. I view these girls as wild horses that just need to be tamed by the right kind of man. I recall back when I first started in 2014, that I resented having to learn game in NYC because of all the women like this, rather than the seemingly friendly ones I'd see in infields done in SoCal from the likes of Simple Pickup. Built character and learned to grow thick skin as a result.

I could go into more detail, but that's the gist of it.

Yes I do suspect Kiwi girls in particular will dislike anyone at all approaching them.

Here the country is so small and culture so insular that it's not even on their radar stranger guys will like them.

I'm keen to try to crack them but I'm not even sure it's viable. Plus I don't feel that good about myself if I have to make 10-15 girls feel bad to find one girl to crack.

It's also made me pick up some bad habits. I tried to calibrate my game to the girls' reactions. In the past 5 months or so I've been somewhat running hot with good reactions from girls. So using roughly the same game I had a brutal hostility streak from Anglo girls. Looking back the move was to double down on the game that worked with normal girls and be confident about it but I couldn't really have known for certain at the time. If there was something about me that was a universal turnoff or I was making a major mistake I needed to know, and I was scrambling to find out what it was exactly and that gave me a lot of hesitation I didn't need.
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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
@Catalyst.
Don’t think too much about it. You seem very cool, respectful, confident and relatable.
Everything you wrote is the same in Sweden. It’s such a pathetic situation when you live in a place where people rely solely on alcohol and sporting activities to make new friends or become more socially open. The things Scandinavians do when they are drunk will make you cringe, but try to do just 5% of that on a normal day and you would become an outcast immediately.
I am a black African guy and one thing that bothers me so much is seeing a white Swede who moved 2 cities away from his place of birth either for study or work finding it difficult to integrate and make friends in his new abode and eventually being forced to move back to his original local government (Kommun) of birth.
The reasons below are what I feel the problems are
1. They lack basic social skills. I know this because I lived with one many years. They may claim they have too many friends and no room for new friends, but trust me that’s total bullock. I raised this issue with a friend asking him about his very attractive Swedish girlfriend social life (the debate started with my curiosity why one attractive girl living in my building doesn’t have any friends coming over) and I was shocked when he told me they usually have just one friend from kindergarten who they seldom meet or visit but talk online and when they do meet, it’s not a home visit but maybe meeting at a coffee shop, movie theater etc.
my final conclusion on this is that they are hiding something they don’t want you to see about them and no home invite since they can’t be bothered to clean. The problem is from their insecurities and nothing about you or your race since they do it to people of their own race.
2. They all hide behind the availability of internet speed trying to make casual friends and find love online that doesn’t lead anywhere...I would say they are so disconnected.
3. From my personal experience many are sufferers of one social handicap disorder or the other. 3 of my ex’s were so I know this on a more deeper level.
4. They feel threatened and intimidated easily, they have a big need to be 100% perfect, so that 9/10 may have a crooked feet she is hiding and that alone can make her feel inadequate. At one time I presented myself as a guy with zero finance/very very bad outfit during daygame and was shocked to get 2 dates, unfortunately for me I forgot what I pulled and after the date I tried to pull the girls back to mine and once they saw my car the insecurities kicked and all the good vibe died down. Moral of the story you must never come across as too “posh”.
5. Social repercussions of the tribe rejecting them if they choose to be different and become too socially opened. I have one girl practically begging to be my friend because the whole group systematically pulled out on her for dating outside her race. I feel so much pity for her. When I asked her to tell me honestly why her friends have all deserted her, she came with an excuse (not what I was trying to hear) that once a Swedish girl finds a boyfriend, she shuts everyone out and if you call she tells you I’m very busy with my BF and according to her that’s why relationships don’t last here.
6. Girls have unbelievable standards. I saw a chubby 4 swiping left to all guys within 6-8 when I was on a train ride and then she suddenly stops on one particular profile and patiently spent like 1-2 mins reading his bio and checking his other pixs, and eventually swiped right to this model looking guy that I consider a 9.5. Women have zero tolerance for mistakes in real life because they are rushing home to see the 9’s and 10’s tinder has got to offer.
7. Some of the words the ethnic people themselves have used to describe themselves are (selfish, mean, egoistic, not compassionate, judgemental, highly sensitive etc), so OP do you really want to be around people like that. I don’t know how it is where you live, but try and surround yourself with positive minded people, still make sure you go out and make friends and if doesn’t happen don’t even let it bother you. Wish they were more socially open and not stuck up. They know what they are doing because when they travel abroad they don’t want the local people there to treat them exactly the same way they treat strangers back home.
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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
(01-06-2019 12:20 PM)Davido Wrote:  @Catalyst.
Don’t think too much about it. You seem very cool, respectful, confident and relatable.
Everything you wrote is the same in Sweden. It’s such a pathetic situation when you live in a place where people rely solely on alcohol and sporting activities to make new friends or become more socially open. The things Scandinavians do when they are drunk will make you cringe, but try to do just 5% of that on a normal day and you would become an outcast immediately.
I am a black African guy and one thing that bothers me so much is seeing a white Swede who moved 2 cities away from his place of birth either for study or work finding it difficult to integrate and make friends in his new abode and eventually being forced to move back to his original local government (Kommun) of birth.
The reasons below are what I feel the problems are
1. They lack basic social skills. I know this because I lived with one many years. They may claim they have too many friends and no room for new friends, but trust me that’s total bullock. I raised this issue with a friend asking him about his very attractive Swedish girlfriend social life (the debate started with my curiosity why one attractive girl living in my building doesn’t have any friends coming over) and I was shocked when he told me they usually have just one friend from kindergarten who they seldom meet or visit but talk online and when they do meet, it’s not a home visit but maybe meeting at a coffee shop, movie theater etc.
my final conclusion on this is that they are hiding something they don’t want you to see about them and no home invite since they can’t be bothered to clean. The problem is from their insecurities and nothing about you or your race since they do it to people of their own race.
2. They all hide behind the availability of internet speed trying to make casual friends and find love online that doesn’t lead anywhere...I would say they are so disconnected.
3. From my personal experience many are sufferers of one social handicap disorder or the other. 3 of my ex’s were so I know this on a more deeper level.
4. They feel threatened and intimidated easily, they have a big need to be 100% perfect, so that 9/10 may have a crooked feet she is hiding and that alone can make her feel inadequate. At one time I presented myself as a guy with zero finance/very very bad outfit during daygame and was shocked to get 2 dates, unfortunately for me I forgot what I pulled and after the date I tried to pull the girls back to mine and once they saw my car the insecurities kicked and all the good vibe died down. Moral of the story you must never come across as too “posh”.
5. Social repercussions of the tribe rejecting them if they choose to be different and become too socially opened. I have one girl practically begging to be my friend because the whole group systematically pulled out on her for dating outside her race. I feel so much pity for her. When I asked her to tell me honestly why her friends have all deserted her, she came with an excuse (not what I was trying to hear) that once a Swedish girl finds a boyfriend, she shuts everyone out and if you call she tells you I’m very busy with my BF and according to her that’s why relationships don’t last here.
6. Girls have unbelievable standards. I saw a chubby 4 swiping left to all guys within 6-8 when I was on a train ride and then she suddenly stops on one particular profile and patiently spent like 1-2 mins reading his bio and checking his other pixs, and eventually swiped right to this model looking guy that I consider a 9.5. Women have zero tolerance for mistakes in real life because they are rushing home to see the 9’s and 10’s tinder has got to offer.
7. Some of the words the ethnic people themselves have used to describe themselves are (selfish, mean, egoistic, not compassionate, judgemental, highly sensitive etc), so OP do you really want to be around people like that. I don’t know how it is where you live, but try and surround yourself with positive minded people, still make sure you go out and make friends and if doesn’t happen don’t even let it bother you. Wish they were more socially open and not stuck up. They know what they are doing because when they travel abroad they don’t want the local people there to treat them exactly the same way they treat strangers back home.

Sounds like English. middle class, young women.

Underlined part is true.

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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
I wonder if this is the unofficial "Catalyst gaming in NZ" thread.

I realised why the city was so empty of foreigners. Out on a lark I decided to go into one of those travel package places. They thought I was a backpacker, I went along with it.

Apparently no one in their right mind would stay in Auckland, because the city is just so much worse than other international cities. Everyone agrees and it's pretty well established. They did try to sell me on their bus tours around NZ, which is where everyone's at. So people come for the nature and outdoorsy stuff and then travel around NZ, they might only come to Auckland for a few days as a tourist destination. I'll go one step further and say no one in their right mind would stay in NZ period because Auckland is just so much foreigner friendly(maybe Wellington/Queenstown aside), and Kiwis just don't want to know foreigners at all, and it's so dysfunctional that a lot of the techniques normal people use to get by or be social or be functional just don't work here. I do believe the bus tours seem pretty great, they do a great job hiding just how bad NZ is.

It's kind of interesting because in many countries I'd imagine you'd stay in the big cities.
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RE: Pattern of bad interactions with Anglo girls- wondering the reasons?
After reading all the posts here I think I'll give my two cents.

Asian Australian here, 5'7 and I grew up in a major urban city in Australia and am now living in Toronto.
I have witnessed the anglo culture of girls in both cities, and I can conclude that both are terrible places for dating. I've outsourced dating from so many men and women especially in Toronto this year to get their opinions. Men think that women are stuck up and bitchy, women think men are not worthy and are creepy in Toronto. There are even memes on a famous Toronto meme Instagram page about how "Toronto men are trash" and "Toronto women are trash" which goes to show the double edged sword of dating here. I even asked a group of girls in LTR or engaged at a party how they met their spouses and half said from online game. They said that they thought the idea of being cold approached was completely creepy and "totally not asked for". I had the opposite response when I asked girls I had met from Europe this same question. They said it takes balls for a guy to cold approach on the street.

It is evident that in the anglosphere and especially cities like Toronto, Vancouver, Sydney and Melbourne and from what OP has said in NZ that they are all cliquey cities where people are highly dependent on social circle. Heck I was going out every single night in the summer when I moved to Toronto to make friends and it was extremely difficult until I found genuine people willing to give me time and hang out and they weren't even from Toronto.

I've given up dating in the West. I've done university exchange programs in various countries in Europe and once you swallow the red pill and meet amazing girls outside of the Western world it is so soul crushing to go back to the West and try again. I would rather just keep in contact with the girls I've already met in Europe.
All women care about in the Anglosphere is photos for their Instagram. If you compare the average European woman's Instagram and the average Anglo woman's Instagram you'll see many differences. Of course all women in the world love photos of themselves, but an Anglo woman will be filled with mainly selfies or generic photos of them and their friends on a night out. European women on the other hand have selfies too but alot more scenic, nature or picturesque photos. They don't seem the need to upload a photo every weekend of their dumb night out with their friends.

OP its a social circle game, it's not necessarily a race thing because alot of my close Asian Australian friends are dating attractive white women. Living in Toronto I see ALOT of ATTRACTIVE AMWF couples and when I say alot I mean more than WMAF. However in Australia it is rarer to see AMWF.

Since you're in your early 20's still, my advice is if you're still in university I would suggest going on exchange in Europe. You won't regret it.
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