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(12-26-2018 06:55 AM)Montrose Wrote:  
(12-25-2018 08:49 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  Don't act your age. If you're 47 or 52 and you genuinely feel more or less as you did when you were 35, then act like you're 35. Feeling younger than you are is the easy bit. Acting like it without feeling bad is something you need to learn to do without hangups.

What does it mean ‘acting like you’re 50 or 35 or 18’ ??? Do people really act differently at 35 and at 50? Can you give examples? I have no idea what you’re talking about. I think that behaviour is more idiosyncratic than age-based. I have acted exactly the same since I was 14.

Yes, people do tend to act a certain way based on their age. I don't know what to tell you. Just observe people.

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It’s a bit like saying ‘Aries act differently from Gemini, I can’t tell you how, just observe them’

This research from 2015 only finds minor difference between young and old behaviour (but more research is needed). I can’t find any evidence of behavioral changes with age in the literature. My feeling is that there isn’t.

https://www.behavioraleconomics.com/thre...eing-mind/
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(12-26-2018 08:13 AM)Montrose Wrote:  It’s a bit like saying ‘Aries act differently from Gemini, I can’t tell you how, just observe them’

This research from 2015 only finds minor difference between young and old behaviour (but more research is needed). I can’t find any evidence of behavioral changes with age in the literature. My feeling is that there isn’t.

https://www.behavioraleconomics.com/thre...eing-mind/

Ok well go and hang out with some 14 year olds. Let me know if you notice any differences between yourself and them.

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To answer the question asked, learn to play guitar and you'll always attract women. It takes a year (of self discipline and dedication) and a couple thousand dollars to learn to play good enough to get into a decent local rock band. Better still, if you learn to play guitar and sing well enough to put together a 50 minute set you will always have the following at any age and for the rest of your life: good looking young women, a free place to stay when/where needed, extra cash in your pocket, a great social life and an awesome group of friends. Any instrument can do, tenor sax is another good one, but a guitar is a big magnet.
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(12-25-2018 08:49 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  Don't act your age. If you're 47 or 52 and you genuinely feel more or less as you did when you were 35, then act like you're 35. Feeling younger than you are is the easy bit.

I disagree and this greatly conflicts with my experience.

Your age isn't something to be overcome or mitigated, it's your advantage; Lots of younger women are attracted to men in the 40-55 range and plenty of younger women are at least open to dating an older guy.

What they're looking for is someone more mature than the men they're dating - more confident and sophisticated. If you try to act like someone younger than yourself it will likely come off as unattractive. If you behave in a less-mature way you're simply evening the field with younger men, who will be physically be more attractive (all things being equal.)

So, no, embrace the older man thing - nice restaurants, sophisticated experiences and gentlemanly manners. At least in the outside world... In the bedroom act like you're 17.
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a middle aged guy acting like a twentysometihing would look ridiculous. Play the advantages of being older and make sure you don't look disgusting
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Already been said. Money first, women last.

Women like confidence, age is less of an issue if you have it.

There are many women 20+ that older guys than me have attracted away from me over the years.

Now that I'm older, and more confident, I also feel an overwhelming unfair advantage against the younger guys unless they are fit and dress well. There are NOT many young guys that can do both. So, I win.

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Live near a major university campus.

Be good at a social partner dance.

I have both in my life, and while my wife is still young (in her mid-20s), she gets mighty jelly when 18-20 year olds smile at me when we're out, or worse, ask me for a dance at a social. Helps her focus more on improving her wifely role.

My Game mentor (RIP) used to be a ballroom/latin dance instructor. He was in his 50s dancing with dressed-up slender 20-something year olds all the time.

Regarding acting "your age", women who like older men (that's nearly all of them) like our maturity because young guys their age have none of that. When in the bedroom, still act like the dominant silverback you are.

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Really it's just about connecting to any social circle that has a lot of hot young women in it. Build your value in the circle. That sounds vague, so to be a bit more specific.

1. Consider starting a meetup group for activities which young women in your area are interested in-- running any group gives you instant leader appeal. It's also fun, valuable, and expands your network.
2. Get involved on the board of directors or governing body of a local hosteling organization. Hot broads from all over the world will meet you, you can lead events etc. Added bonus: they will all leave the country and will jeopardize relationships less.
3. Dance classes, yoga classes. You're going to need to be fit and good at it, so practice somewhere you don't care about first before moving on.
4. Attend events and groups that have a large amount of hot women in them.
5. Network like crazy when you're out and connect with women you are not interested in sleeping with but who are attractive.

Avoid trying to do anything through work. This is not the 90s and that sort of stuff is going to get you obliterated in 2019. Do not shit where you eat. As long as you have no authority over them, it's fine.
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(12-28-2018 03:06 PM)Lance Blastoff Wrote:  
(12-25-2018 08:49 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  Don't act your age. If you're 47 or 52 and you genuinely feel more or less as you did when you were 35, then act like you're 35. Feeling younger than you are is the easy bit.

I disagree and this greatly conflicts with my experience.

Your age isn't something to be overcome or mitigated, it's your advantage; Lots of younger women are attracted to men in the 40-55 range and plenty of younger women are at least open to dating an older guy.

What they're looking for is someone more mature than the men they're dating - more confident and sophisticated. If you try to act like someone younger than yourself it will likely come off as unattractive. If you behave in a less-mature way you're simply evening the field with younger men, who will be physically be more attractive (all things being equal.)

So, no, embrace the older man thing - nice restaurants, sophisticated experiences and gentlemanly manners. At least in the outside world... In the bedroom act like you're 17.

I don't disagree with you, but what I meant was that if you're 47 or 52 and you feel like you're 35, then you should allow yourself to be as youthful as you were then. I didn't mean do the same things and be the same person, I meant don't start acting like an elderly person just because that's what others feel they have to do. A 52 year old guy can be both mature and youthful.

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Ok. What is "youthful" then?

Not umm-ing and ah-ming when bending down to pick up a piece of litter? Not referring to "the good old days" when "everything was so much cheaper/easier than today"?

Or using the jargon of the youth today, such as "hepcat" and "fly"?
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(12-28-2018 05:04 PM)Cobra Wrote:  Already been said. Money first, women last.

Women like confidence, age is less of an issue if you have it.

There are many women 20+ that older guys than me have attracted away from me over the years.

Now that I'm older, and more confident, I also feel an overwhelming unfair advantage against the younger guys unless they are fit and dress well. There are NOT many young guys that can do both. So, I win.

This....

I crush younger guys nowadays. There is no way they can compete with me. It's exactly like you've said--it's overwhelmingly unfair.

Kind of off topic, but I couldn't agree more.

I'm operating on another level now. Young dudes don't even understand how much they don't understand. It's like I'm playing chess and they're stuck on checkers.

I feel sorry for them. Not in a hateful/spiteful way--I feel sorry for them, like I want to help them and show them. Like I am really concerned about them and their well-being and development kinda way. I can see the whole battlefield now and they can't.... It sucks that human life span is so limited. It takes about 40 years for you to figure shit out, then you've got maybe 40 more to operate with, but you're operating at the end of the game with failing health... Beautiful irony.

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(01-01-2019 08:47 AM)Rushmore Wrote:  Ok. What is "youthful" then?

Not umm-ing and ah-ming when bending down to pick up a piece of litter? Not referring to "the good old days" when "everything was so much cheaper/easier than today"?

Or using the jargon of the youth today, such as "hepcat" and "fly"?

Well, youthful means...oh wait, they banned you.

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(01-01-2019 08:47 AM)Rushmore Wrote:  Ok. What is "youthful" then?

Not umm-ing and ah-ming when bending down to pick up a piece of litter? Not referring to "the good old days" when "everything was so much cheaper/easier than today"?

Or using the jargon of the youth today, such as "hepcat" and "fly"?

'Hepcat' and 'fly' is the jargon of the old, you're showing your age hehehe

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Get a membership at your local University gym. They often allow non-students to join. If not, then sign up for a course at the school so you can get a gym membership (and later drop the course before the deadline so you can get your money back but still access the gym).
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(01-01-2019 09:39 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  
(12-28-2018 05:04 PM)Cobra Wrote:  Already been said. Money first, women last.

Women like confidence, age is less of an issue if you have it.

There are many women 20+ that older guys than me have attracted away from me over the years.

Now that I'm older, and more confident, I also feel an overwhelming unfair advantage against the younger guys unless they are fit and dress well. There are NOT many young guys that can do both. So, I win.

This....

I crush younger guys nowadays. There is no way they can compete with me. It's exactly like you've said--it's overwhelmingly unfair.

Kind of off topic, but I couldn't agree more.

I'm operating on another level now. Young dudes don't even understand how much they don't understand. It's like I'm playing chess and they're stuck on checkers.

I feel sorry for them. Not in a hateful/spiteful way--I feel sorry for them, like I want to help them and show them. Like I am really concerned about them and their well-being and development kinda way. I can see the whole battlefield now and they can't.... It sucks that human life span is so limited. It takes about 40 years for you to figure shit out, then you've got maybe 40 more to operate with, but you're operating at the end of the game with failing health... Beautiful irony.

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Experience & Exposure helps.. I see that. But in a Dense Metro like NYC or HK where one mingles in Elite circles even plenty of younger fellows have seen quite a many continents on rich daddies dime(s) and are part of fancy cliques.

So, I'd like to heat the specifics, details, data & CONTEXT of your "views".
Because, context is everything to FRAME a scenario.

So you are 30/ 40/ 50? and you are running circles around 20/ 25/ 30 year olds? ... Pick some specifics & add some details, colors & context so that I can visualize what you SEE/ PERCEIVE etc.

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(01-01-2019 09:39 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  
(12-28-2018 05:04 PM)Cobra Wrote:  Already been said. Money first, women last.

Women like confidence, age is less of an issue if you have it.

There are many women 20+ that older guys than me have attracted away from me over the years.

Now that I'm older, and more confident, I also feel an overwhelming unfair advantage against the younger guys unless they are fit and dress well. There are NOT many young guys that can do both. So, I win.

This....

I crush younger guys nowadays. There is no way they can compete with me. It's exactly like you've said--it's overwhelmingly unfair.

Kind of off topic, but I couldn't agree more.

I'm operating on another level now. Young dudes don't even understand how much they don't understand. It's like I'm playing chess and they're stuck on checkers.

I feel sorry for them. Not in a hateful/spiteful way--I feel sorry for them, like I want to help them and show them. Like I am really concerned about them and their well-being and development kinda way. I can see the whole battlefield now and they can't....

Thing is, I KNEW in my early and mid 20s that the deck was stacked against me. True, I dated a couple models, and some other pretty women, but it was an uphill battle nonetheless. I had an 8-month dry spell at one point after moving to LA.

I felt that there existed a cheat code that would make getting women much, much easier. And it wasn't money.

That cheat code turned out to be life experience. And finding the right sexual market to play in (for me, Latin America). And earning a ZFG attitude. And getting some bigger muscles. And telling better stories.

I had none of those things when I was 25. None of them. Which is as it should be.

Nowadays many of my friends are in their 20s, and I tell them - just work on yourself. The dividends (hot women) will really start to arrive in your 30s.
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(01-28-2019 04:13 PM)xmlenigma Wrote:  
(01-01-2019 09:39 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  
(12-28-2018 05:04 PM)Cobra Wrote:  Already been said. Money first, women last.

Women like confidence, age is less of an issue if you have it.

There are many women 20+ that older guys than me have attracted away from me over the years.

Now that I'm older, and more confident, I also feel an overwhelming unfair advantage against the younger guys unless they are fit and dress well. There are NOT many young guys that can do both. So, I win.

This....

I crush younger guys nowadays. There is no way they can compete with me. It's exactly like you've said--it's overwhelmingly unfair.

Kind of off topic, but I couldn't agree more.

I'm operating on another level now. Young dudes don't even understand how much they don't understand. It's like I'm playing chess and they're stuck on checkers.

I feel sorry for them. Not in a hateful/spiteful way--I feel sorry for them, like I want to help them and show them. Like I am really concerned about them and their well-being and development kinda way. I can see the whole battlefield now and they can't.... It sucks that human life span is so limited. It takes about 40 years for you to figure shit out, then you've got maybe 40 more to operate with, but you're operating at the end of the game with failing health... Beautiful irony.

Details Details Data Sheet..

Experience & Exposure helps.. I see that. But in a Dense Metro like NYC or HK where one mingles in Elite circles even plenty of younger fellows have seen quite a many continents on rich daddies dime(s) and are part of fancy cliques.

So, I'd like to heat the specifics, details, data & CONTEXT of your "views".
Because, context is everything to FRAME a scenario.

So you are 30/ 40/ 50? and you are running circles around 20/ 25/ 30 year olds? ... Pick some specifics & add some details, colors & context so that I can visualize what you SEE/ PERCEIVE etc.

Plenty, I don't think so friend. There are younger guys who are rich, there are younger guys, who are handsome, there are younger guys who are experienced, and there are younger guys who are jacked; but those younger men possessing all those traits are even rarer than older men. I'm 40 years old and in the best shape of my life and have always been the best dressed man of any woman i've ever dated casually or seriously. The older Quaker absolutely shits on the Younger Frat Boy Quaker.
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(01-05-2019 04:51 AM)TorontoRocks Wrote:  Get a membership at your local University gym. They often allow non-students to join. If not, then sign up for a course at the school so you can get a gym membership (and later drop the course before the deadline so you can get your money back but still access the gym).

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(01-28-2019 04:13 PM)xmlenigma Wrote:  
(01-01-2019 09:39 AM)Dulceácido Wrote:  This....

I crush younger guys nowadays. There is no way they can compete with me. It's exactly like you've said--it's overwhelmingly unfair.

Kind of off topic, but I couldn't agree more.

I'm operating on another level now. Young dudes don't even understand how much they don't understand. It's like I'm playing chess and they're stuck on checkers.

I feel sorry for them. Not in a hateful/spiteful way--I feel sorry for them, like I want to help them and show them. Like I am really concerned about them and their well-being and development kinda way. I can see the whole battlefield now and they can't.... It sucks that human life span is so limited. It takes about 40 years for you to figure shit out, then you've got maybe 40 more to operate with, but you're operating at the end of the game with failing health... Beautiful irony.

Details Details Data Sheet..

Experience & Exposure helps.. I see that. But in a Dense Metro like NYC or HK where one mingles in Elite circles even plenty of younger fellows have seen quite a many continents on rich daddies dime(s) and are part of fancy cliques.

So, I'd like to heat the specifics, details, data & CONTEXT of your "views".
Because, context is everything to FRAME a scenario.

So you are 30/ 40/ 50? and you are running circles around 20/ 25/ 30 year olds? ... Pick some specifics & add some details, colors & context so that I can visualize what you SEE/ PERCEIVE etc.

So, I can tell you by your demand/need/thirst for details and "data" that you're probably going to fall squarely into the category of "you just won't get it." I don't mean that condescendingly. I just mean, it's not simple like that. Everyone wants it to be simple. "I need details! Just give me the data!"

Here are your details (as personal as I care to divulge here): I'm in my forties. I don't need to work because I worked my ass off for many years, never married, so I was never divorce raped. I don't have kids that have ripped away my life savings so that they may have Beats Headphones, an iPhone X, and all the other luxuries life has to offer and still call me a piece of shit and say they weren't raised properly and I was a horrible father. Instead, I invested my money and invested in myself. I'm horribly addicted to health and fitness and I take care of my body and my soul. I'm not an alcoholic. I'm not a drug addict. I don't have any enemies in my life. I don't hold any grudges. I try to never tell a lie. I go out of my way not to hurt others. I've travelled all over the world and I've lived in riches and in poverty--best of times/worst of times scenario. I've fought in combat more times than I'd like to have, but sometimes, I wish I had one more battle to fight. I am one of the most disciplined guys you will ever meet. My mind is in the right place. I try to see everything from a "cosmic viewpoint" instead being a selfish prick who can't observe the big picture. I don't ask anybody for anything and I, generally, try to help others. I don't need "things." They are not important to me at all. I don't collect "shit." I am minimalistic--but I'm also a little snobby in that the few things I tend to have are usually very nice or unique. I live like a Spartan. I'm my own worst critic. I'm very hard on myself and in a constant state of seeking improvement. I'm comfortable with myself and the fact that I will never be perfect, but I will try my hardest to do so--not just once, but every day. I, literally, say to myself every morning, "today you are going to become better than you were yesterday." I prefer my own company to the company of most other people. I've select group of friends who I can trust with my life. I don't owe anyone anything and no one can say I ever fucked them over intentionally or for my own gain. I'm in a pretty good place in life--I had to suffer to get here, but I wouldn't change a thing because if I had to break down my life in years, I'd say any 2 years of my adult life would equate to an average person's entire life experience. So, that's it. That's the "secret hack" you're looking for. Go do to the things I've done and you'll understand. It's not something I've the capability to package nicely and neatly into an internet forum post and Voila! you'll know exactly what I've explained. It takes time, blood, sweat, heartache, triumph, jubilance, tragedy, happiness, depression, uncertainty, victories, losses, and so on, and so on. And, in that way, I have an incredibly unfair advantage over your average dude in his 20's.

For your "data," I'll offer that out of sheer curiosity, a break of monotony, and self improvement, I decided to seek a doctorate degree, which put me directly in the midst of an entire institution of 20-somethings. And that is where I have made these observations. I am treated with a level of respect from the men and I still get hit on by the girls. I'm always invited out with them and I'm usually the first person they come to for advice/guidance. I don't speak down to them and I don't try to persuade them. I'm very Socratic when I offer them advice--that means, they ask me questions and instead of answering them directly, I ask them questions, instead, in regards to what they've asked me and talk them down a path where they figure it out for themselves.

And, if that's not detailed enough, or not enough data, you'll have to forgive me. I've actually thought about trying to write it all up--and I could, but I'd have to divulge large parts of my personal life in a public forum, which I am not willing to do, AND, it would be a fucking 1600 page novel. So, if you're looking for answers and I've failed in that respect, then I'll recommend that you go seek it for yourself and on your own. Take risks. Get injured. Ride the bike without the helmet. Go skateboarding without kneepads. Stay out after dark. Get into a fistfight. Kick someone ass. Have your ass kicked. Have your heart broken. Break someone's heart. Experience that girlfriend that slashed her wrists in your bathtub. Watch your mom slowly die of cancer. Get blown up by an IED and spend months in the hospital re-learning to feed yourself and tie your shoes. Date a model. Date a porn star. Learn a foreign language or two. Live in a foreign land where 'Merica ain't gonna come save you when you fuck up. Learn to build something. Learn how to fix your fucking car for Christ's sake. Go hunting. Jump out of an airplane. Stop being so fucking lazy! Stop procrastinating! Open your eyes and look around and then realize, this is it. Whatever "this" is--whatever you are doing right now--is "it." That's it. That's all you've got. Because the past is gone and you've no idea what's going to happen even one second from now. Look at what you are doing right now in this moment and accept it for what it is. Pay attention!

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RE: How can a married, middle aged man stay surrounded by young, beautiful women?
(12-24-2018 02:41 AM)the-dream Wrote:  I prefer being surrounded by young, beautiful women for two reasons:

a) to have the option of sleeping with them
b) I just generally feel happier and have more vitality and more of a lust for life (maybe due to higher testosterone?).

Possible ideas:

- Hiring young women to work for you
- Lecturing/working at a University
- Working in the modelling industry
- Working as a recruiter for jobs young girls typically do (waitressing, shop work etc... stripping, porn if you want to take it to the next level)
- Creating a company that's target audience is young women (eg. clothing, makeup, beauty pills) then using Instagram girls to promote it
- Being a photographer/video director
- Mentoring young men and joining their social circle of young women
- Owning a nightclub

I would not recommend sleeping with women you work with/for or teach. You could get accused of something and there goes your business or job.

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RE: How can a married, middle aged man stay surrounded by young, beautiful women?
One clear answer is nightlife, although quality is another matter.

Personal training is also something that is going to get you around a lot of younger women. I also have to wonder what the success rate of being a male yoga instructor is.

Another less obvious answer is art. You can have a gallery or be an artist and hire muses (not making this up), model types for painting sessions, etc. When they see you have even a basic amount of charisma, artistic talent, and bohemian vibes they will be hooked. From there, having them as muses (i'm sure they're flattered about it), it's very easy to progress to a bang provided you possess what I listed.
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