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(01-08-2019 07:50 AM)remarkable vigour Wrote:  And here perhaps we get to the crux of the matter. he is happy to spend money on things that benefit him. HIM not her.

I imagine he sold the idea of frugality to his wife as being we save and invest all this money so we don't have to work, can spend time together and look after our kid, yet still have plenty of money. Put it like that and she would be happy to get on board.

However, the end result was probably stuff like the family holiday being a camping trip by bike instead of a bog standard fortnights beach holiday. Adeney would see such a holiday as being beneath him, travelling by airplane to do nothing at a beach, how unenviromental.

Adeney really is a massive beta who clearly doesn't understand women.

This is exactly the sort of wild speculation I mean. In materiel terms, he lives better than average. In financial terms, he probably spends about average. If he in fact, made average money, people would be slapping him on the back saying good job at stretching your average salary to allow a nice home and trips to South America. But because he makes 10x that it's a problem? Why aren't people giving Buffet shit for being a grouchy old miser. Billions of dollars, and living in a 3 br home from the 50s and eating at McDonalds?! Pffft!

Everything I've read basically says work, save, live life on our terms and raise the kid is exactly how he spun it. Again, camping trips via bikes are things I can only presume you made up. You can browse his family budgets easily enough (http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2017/05/1...-spending/) and looks like he and his family took 3 trips requiring air travel in 2016 alone - basically the same as I took in the first 18 years of my life despite being solidly middle class.

I can't really believe that this has to do with money primarily. They have an above average life which has apparently been getting better (though not at pace with income), she has her own small business, etc. His wife only pops up occasionally on the blog, but how are you so sure she has zero access to cash aside from what he allows her like it's 1900?

It may be very well that he doesn't understand women - that would put him along side the vast majority of guys. I'm just amazed that on a primarily game forum - one which frowns upon buying girls drinks, appetizers or otherwise spending for their affections etc, that the guy is getting railroaded because he drops 100k/year helping less fortunate people instead of on fancy purses for his wife. I'll say it again. If you are providing multiple trips per year that require airplanes and have marital problems, those problems wont be solved by going from 3 to 6 trips.
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(01-08-2019 09:50 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 09:41 AM)captain_shane Wrote:  Would it be possible to donate say 500k to an offshore charity? And in the case of divorce, that charity hires you as a consultant at 100k per year for 5 years?

Not if you did that during your marriage and not before. The court will see that as you hiding your assets and if you are in America they will give you a bill for 250k. Failure to pay can result in jail time.

Even if you sent it to a legit charity the court will say you had no right to giving away 500k without your wife's consent (since it is her money too!) and you'll get raped.

What would be the best way to hide assets for a middle class man BEFORE he gets married? It seems increasingly difficult, other than stashing physical cash or gold in a safe.
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(01-08-2019 09:04 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 06:25 AM)DarkTriad Wrote:  
(01-06-2019 07:42 PM)RawGod Wrote:  How is putting yourself in a situation where you can lose half your assets "frugal"? The guy would have done better financially if he'd had been blowing money every weekend on a gambling habit but avoided divorce.

Losing half your assets is a myth in divorce. A lot of times it's closer to 25% of your assets for your lawyer, then you pay another 25% for her lawyers, half the rest going to her, leaving you with a quarter of your assets.

Can someone explain why lawyers are such a huge chunk of divorce costs? If you're willing to give the other party half without fighting them then there's no litigation, ergo no need for lawyers.

Surely you can't be charged $500/hr by someone whose services you never requested?

The Divorce Industrial Complex, some good documentaries on it and such.

You're obligated to pay $500 an hour for a service you never requested because you're obligated to pay for HER lawyer (who is out to destroy/pauper you). If you don't lawyer up in similar fashion, her lawyer will convince the judge you have much more assets/income than you do (there is an entire industry dedicated to this) and she'll end up with 90% of your assets and weekly transfer payments that may guarantee decades of grinding poverty intersped with occasional imprisonment when you fall behind.
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(01-08-2019 12:32 PM)Hypugamy Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 09:50 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 09:41 AM)captain_shane Wrote:  Would it be possible to donate say 500k to an offshore charity? And in the case of divorce, that charity hires you as a consultant at 100k per year for 5 years?

Not if you did that during your marriage and not before. The court will see that as you hiding your assets and if you are in America they will give you a bill for 250k. Failure to pay can result in jail time.

Even if you sent it to a legit charity the court will say you had no right to giving away 500k without your wife's consent (since it is her money too!) and you'll get raped.

What would be the best way to hide assets for a middle class man BEFORE he gets married? It seems increasingly difficult, other than stashing physical cash or gold in a safe.

Generally from what I've read on it here (Canada - know nothing of US but generally fucked), everything you bring into the marriage stays yours unless you co-mingle it (put it in joint accounts). Prenups can protect certain assets like a family cottage from being liquidated but more deal with the particulars. If you are the bigger income earner, prenup merely controls the degree you get screwed.

If its generated after, then there is no legal way to do it, merely mitigated as above.

Judges are generally very smart people. If you have or had any assets worth mentioning, It's easy to determine how much you made in the past from taxes. Generate (rough) spending habits from lifestyle cues such as address, vehicles, boats registered to you. Hell I bet they can even find travel records, visa/debit bills showing what you spent on food and restaurants, or even "fun money" if most of that just got withdrawn as cash.

I'm honestly surprised Higgins hasn't been banned yet, because his suggestions, even in a regular court would be retarded and make the situation degrees worse. He says people lie in courts all the time and I'm sure that's true. His assumption that judges don't know this, and that people aren't motivated by a host of bad reasons such as greed, revenge, or jealousy to do so is asinine. Reasonable doubt =/= come up with some scenario, no matter how unlikely, but as long as it's within the realm of physics, they have to buy it. That's judges (or jury's) whole entire job. Take the various conflicting stories which are massaged by selective memory, inherent bias, or just straight up lies and constitute a narrative that makes sense. "I didn't rape and kill that girl. I know you found my semen on her, but are you saying it's not possible that a girl I consensually fucked last week didn't take the condom, kill this other girl for kicks, then put the semen on her?"

How many people in the history or the world have taken 90% of their assets on a whim and put them into something super liquid and untraceable, and then just happened to lose it and said 'Ah well. Way she goes'? While at the same time if everything but the 'losing it' part was true would be wildly convenient and a huge mockery of the court system. While I'm sure it has happened a handful of times, I think most reasonably intelligent judges and people as a whole would call bullshit and conclude that the far more realistic scenario is that the transaction - especially when dealing with 500k, fell into the 99.98% of transactions that don't go off the rails.
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(01-08-2019 02:36 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  The Divorce Industrial Complex, some good documentaries on it and such.

Check out our thread on Divorce Corp, by far the best/most horrifying documentary I've seen concerning the DIC. I provide a summary of the film here.
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(01-08-2019 11:06 AM)doc holliday Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 09:04 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 06:25 AM)DarkTriad Wrote:  
(01-06-2019 07:42 PM)RawGod Wrote:  How is putting yourself in a situation where you can lose half your assets "frugal"? The guy would have done better financially if he'd had been blowing money every weekend on a gambling habit but avoided divorce.

Losing half your assets is a myth in divorce. A lot of times it's closer to 25% of your assets for your lawyer, then you pay another 25% for her lawyers, half the rest going to her, leaving you with a quarter of your assets.

Can someone explain why lawyers are such a huge chunk of divorce costs? If you're willing to give the other party half without fighting them then there's no litigation, ergo no need for lawyers.

Surely you can't be charged $500/hr by someone whose services you never requested?


You can do a low cost divorce via mediation and you'd avoid dealing with lawyers for the most part. If most people went this route then divorce wouldn't be so painful. Problem is though that most folks can't come to any sort of agreement on how to split things up, divide up time with the kids and so on. So lawyers swoop in like vultures to pick at the carcass and sow as much discord as possible to bleed their clients of all their money. I think the divorce system should be based on mediation only with no need for lawyers but the lawyer lobby is too strong and will never allow for that.

I agree with everyone here saying that this Moustache guy is a cheap bastard who ended up losing more by getting divorced than he would have by spending a bit more to keep his wife happy.

To further develop on this, the vast majority of divorces are initiated by women, chances are she lawyered up before you even got a chance to discuss an equitable settlement (or even realized a divorce was imminent). You walk in there offering half as your opening negotiating position without lawyering up yourself, her attorney is rather obligated to tell her "This poor sap is offering half freely, I bet I could get 80% out of him without much squealing, and regular payments to make the rest of your life a lot easier. Besides you deserve it after what you told me you've been through".

You're at an incredibly vulnerable point emotionally, and the experts are EXTREMELY good at taking advantage of that, and whatever sense of fair play you've got in you. The could double talk you with stuff you don't even understand the value of if you don't have a similar legal expert on your side.
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(01-08-2019 03:05 PM)Seadog Wrote:  If its generated after, then there is no legal way to do it, merely mitigated as above.

Judges are generally very smart people. If you have or had any assets worth mentioning, It's easy to determine how much you made in the past from taxes. Generate (rough) spending habits from lifestyle cues such as address, vehicles, boats registered to you. Hell I bet they can even find travel records, visa/debit bills showing what you spent on food and restaurants, or even "fun money" if most of that just got withdrawn as cash.

You'd be surprised to know how much can be hidden, deferred, transferred, or fudged. Yes, they can find travel records, visa bills, cash withdrawals etc and they will ask. The fact however that you say "I bet" tells me you don't have any clue about the whole process. Also, a court at least in bankruptcy can only demand records going so far back. Also, the records demanded by the court are provided as is by the defendant(you/us/we). Apparently family is much more aggressive.

But feel free to keep talking about things you know nothing about.

(01-08-2019 03:05 PM)Seadog Wrote:  I'm honestly surprised Higgins hasn't been banned yet, because his suggestions, even in a regular court would be retarded and make the situation degrees worse. He says people lie in courts all the time and I'm sure that's true. His assumption that judges don't know this, and that people aren't motivated by a host of bad reasons such as greed, revenge, or jealousy to do so is asinine. Reasonable doubt =/= come up with some scenario, no matter how unlikely, but as long as it's within the realm of physics, they have to buy it. That's judges (or jury's) whole entire job. Take the various conflicting stories which are massaged by selective memory, inherent bias, or just straight up lies and constitute a narrative that makes sense. "I didn't rape and kill that girl. I know you found my semen on her, but are you saying it's not possible that a girl I consensually fucked last week didn't take the condom, kill this other girl for kicks, then put the semen on her?"

Judges absolutely know this but there this little thing called presumption of innocence. Try googling it. You have the IQ to google yes?

I never said they have to buy it, simply that there needs to be proof beyond a reasonable doubt in my experience at least in bankruptcy court that the scenario did or did not happen. I have no experience in family.

(01-08-2019 03:05 PM)Seadog Wrote:  How many people in the history or the world have taken 90% of their assets on a whim and put them into something super liquid and untraceable, and then just happened to lose it and said 'Ah well. Way she goes'? While at the same time if everything but the 'losing it' part was true would be wildly convenient and a huge mockery of the court system. While I'm sure it has happened a handful of times, I think most reasonably intelligent judges and people as a whole would call bullshit and conclude that the far more realistic scenario is that the transaction - especially when dealing with 500k, fell into the 99.98% of transactions that don't go off the rails.

I'll take DarkTriad's word that family court is just biased against the males, and apologies to those in this thread that have tried to tell me so in really shitty explanations.

But if we are going to be realistic, your assumptions here are just as retarded. 90% of assets? MMM has what a few millions, I said throw 500K which is probably 10-20% into something untraceable. Now family court being what it is, that isn't going to work. However that happens more often than you think elsewhere.

Of course, if your idea of money/wealth is a paycheck I can see why that's lost upon you. Try hanging out with people in a more affluent circle.
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(01-08-2019 11:42 AM)Seadog Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 07:50 AM)remarkable vigour Wrote:  And here perhaps we get to the crux of the matter. he is happy to spend money on things that benefit him. HIM not her.

I imagine he sold the idea of frugality to his wife as being we save and invest all this money so we don't have to work, can spend time together and look after our kid, yet still have plenty of money. Put it like that and she would be happy to get on board.

However, the end result was probably stuff like the family holiday being a camping trip by bike instead of a bog standard fortnights beach holiday. Adeney would see such a holiday as being beneath him, travelling by airplane to do nothing at a beach, how unenviromental.

Adeney really is a massive beta who clearly doesn't understand women.

This is exactly the sort of wild speculation I mean. In materiel terms, he lives better than average. In financial terms, he probably spends about average. If he in fact, made average money, people would be slapping him on the back saying good job at stretching your average salary to allow a nice home and trips to South America. But because he makes 10x that it's a problem? Why aren't people giving Buffet shit for being a grouchy old miser. Billions of dollars, and living in a 3 br home from the 50s and eating at McDonalds?! Pffft!

Everything I've read basically says work, save, live life on our terms and raise the kid is exactly how he spun it. Again, camping trips via bikes are things I can only presume you made up. You can browse his family budgets easily enough (http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2017/05/1...-spending/) and looks like he and his family took 3 trips requiring air travel in 2016 alone - basically the same as I took in the first 18 years of my life despite being solidly middle class.

I can't really believe that this has to do with money primarily. They have an above average life which has apparently been getting better (though not at pace with income), she has her own small business, etc. His wife only pops up occasionally on the blog, but how are you so sure she has zero access to cash aside from what he allows her like it's 1900?

It may be very well that he doesn't understand women - that would put him along side the vast majority of guys. I'm just amazed that on a primarily game forum - one which frowns upon buying girls drinks, appetizers or otherwise spending for their affections etc, that the guy is getting railroaded because he drops 100k/year helping less fortunate people instead of on fancy purses for his wife. I'll say it again. If you are providing multiple trips per year that require airplanes and have marital problems, those problems wont be solved by going from 3 to 6 trips.

No, you are wrong.

1. You state he spends the average. The average income is about $60,000, less about 10 for taxes leaves about 50,000. Yet Adeney spends 25,000 on the household and tens of thousands on HIS (he went alone) holiday to central america and his business base in Longmont. He COULD spend on average and give his wife a bog standard beach holiday and a few dresses, purses and shoes and take her out a few times a year without breaking the bank but he doesn't believe in that sort of thing.

2. Buffet gets no shit for being a grouchy miser because he actually isn't. I suggest you find out where his first wife lived in California and where the holiday homes in California and Hawaii are. Whilst most of Buffets worth is stock in BKH he also has several hundred million in his own name and his wives have never gone short.

3. The camping trip via bike is detailed in his blog.

4. Money was the catalyst for his wife leaving him. It is clear that he simply would not sanction anything that disagreed with his environmentalist stance. He would view a new dress and purse as being totally unnecessary frippery.

5. His wife was not even getting an average level of spending. Adeney did not even attempt to do the bare minimum. No doubt she felt that Adeney was more emotionally invested in environmental concerns that the marriage and over the years it simply wore her down.

6. Nobody cares if he gave 100,000 to charity or if that money will actually make any difference to anyone. we are laughing at a beta chump who doesn't even know how much of a beta chump he actually is.
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^^ the haterade is strong with you. Why do you know so much about this "beta chump"'s life? Almost sounds like you're a jelly stalker neighbour rubbing your hands with glee over his misfortunes.

This guy has given a lot of values to many people. Now he and his young son are suffering because of this selfish wife, and this fucked up society that ruins families. That is not a cause for cheers and laughter of any kind.

What you are doing is totally uncalled for and is very uncool.

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So in the end he lived a frugal life so that she could take half. Been better off enjoying the money all those years.
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(01-08-2019 05:33 PM)Higgins Wrote:  But feel free to keep talking about things you know nothing about.

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Judges absolutely know this but there this little thing called presumption of innocence. Try googling it. You have the IQ to google yes?

I never said they have to buy it, simply that there needs to be proof beyond a reasonable doubt in my experience at least in bankruptcy court that the scenario did or did not happen. I have no experience in family.

<SNIP>

Of course, if your idea of money/wealth is a paycheck I can see why that's lost upon you. Try hanging out with people in a more affluent circle.

I am going to laugh when you get banned for the personal attacks and general trolling but the hypocrisy of telling others to not talk about things they know nothing about and in the same post saying you have no experience and are only assuming things about family court is a riot. Thanks for the laugh.

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(01-08-2019 05:33 PM)Higgins Wrote:  Judges absolutely know this but there this little thing called presumption of innocence. Try googling it. You have the IQ to google yes?

I never said they have to buy it, simply that there needs to be proof beyond a reasonable doubt in my experience at least in bankruptcy court that the scenario did or did not happen. I have no experience in family.

There's no presumption of innocence in a family law proceeding. The presumption of innocence exists in criminal law only.

Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is the burden only in criminal law. Not in bankruptcy (civil law) or family law.

You should stop telling people how the courts work when you don't know what you're talking about.
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Likely soon to be Mr. Alimony Mustache. It sucks that he has to go through the system now. I never watched or read his stuff but he seemed pretty alright.
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(01-08-2019 06:58 PM)remarkable vigour Wrote:  No, you are wrong.

1. You state he spends the average. The average income is about $60,000, less about 10 for taxes leaves about 50,000. Yet Adeney spends 25,000 on the household and tens of thousands on HIS (he went alone) holiday to central america and his business base in Longmont. He COULD spend on average and give his wife a bog standard beach holiday and a few dresses, purses and shoes and take her out a few times a year without breaking the bank but he doesn't believe in that sort of thing.

2. Buffet gets no shit for being a grouchy miser because he actually isn't. I suggest you find out where his first wife lived in California and where the holiday homes in California and Hawaii are. Whilst most of Buffets worth is stock in BKH he also has several hundred million in his own name and his wives have never gone short.

3. The camping trip via bike is detailed in his blog.

4. Money was the catalyst for his wife leaving him. It is clear that he simply would not sanction anything that disagreed with his environmentalist stance. He would view a new dress and purse as being totally unnecessary frippery.

5. His wife was not even getting an average level of spending. Adeney did not even attempt to do the bare minimum. No doubt she felt that Adeney was more emotionally invested in environmental concerns that the marriage and over the years it simply wore her down.

6. Nobody cares if he gave 100,000 to charity or if that money will actually make any difference to anyone. we are laughing at a beta chump who doesn't even know how much of a beta chump he actually is.

Like I mentioned about these articles somehow generating such hatred...

Me pet theory is that people cannot stand to have their world view challenged with irrefutable evidence. "Everyone is struggling" "It's impossible to get ahead" etc etc. Then when you're faced with prima facie evidence that it is possible to thrive and get ahead, you're forced to truly reflect on short term poor decisions that you made with money. A friend has a hot wife, and she was telling me how her chubbier friends are always trying to get her to eat more etc. If everyone at the table is gorging themselves, well you have every excuse you need to be a glutton as well, but if the hot girl isn't bothering with dessert, and you're contemplating seconds, well maybe you're just fat and have no self control vs you're the same as everyone else and fine. Like many other's who've been there will attest, attempting to find happiness with food, booze, drugs, or meaningless spending is at best a fleeting panacea.

The article I linked to said median income was around low 30s in the states. Keep in mind those numbers are further skewed because he owns his house and has no rent/mortgage. So his real "spending" is also omitting the utility of free housing resulting from owning a home. What do the numbers look like when you add in 1.5-2k/month for rent/mortgage?

His point about the bike vacation is that fun trips *can* be had for cheap. I've done similar trips. That doesn't make them superior or inferior to spending a month in Asia diving for a much larger sum. I can't be bothered to comb through every article like you apparently have the time to do to gleefully indulge in your schadenfreude, but what do you think flying to FL for a vacation would be if not a beach one? Then a few trips to Canada on top, and whatever cheapo bike trips he wants to take.

(01-08-2019 07:57 PM)Fen Wrote:  So in the end he lived a frugal life so that she could take half. Been better off enjoying the money all those years.

You are missing the whole point. Most people spend money like it's toxic to their health to have it sitting around. Then they complain they have no money because they bought stupid shit, and they aren't happy either because they spent all their life stuck in traffic on a way to a job they hate to get the money to buy that stupid shit. He lived a frugal life because he looked at what made him the happiest, somehow that didn't involve sitting in a cubicle 70 hours a week. Then from there figured out how much money he needed to do that.

How many steak dinners can you really enjoy in a night? If you can afford two does it make sense in any capacity to make 2 dinners per night? How many cars can you really enjoy? How many rooms in a home can you really use? Same thing. Diminishing utility and all that. Further, would you really sacrifice limited time on earth doing something you don't like doing, just so that you can afford two dinners every night?

Look at really young kids or pets. They have no concept of money. People spend huge sums on elaborate toys, only to see them absolutely ecstatic with a stick or the plastic bag whatever came in. Time and time again people refuse to accept that more spending doesn't always lead to more happiness, and more work to generate it almost certainly doesn't.

Financially this divorce is a non event for him. Peak happiness for him apparently comes from doing small projects, biking, hiking, and blogging. I've spent a ton of time over in Indonesia, and it's reported one of the happiest, albeit poorest countries on earth. Happier, 1/3rd the suicide rates, but only 1/5th the GDP? How can that be reconciled? That's his shtick. Do things that make you happy. And maybe for most people things that make them happy are fulfilling projects, a sense of being useful/accomplishing stuff, and having good relationships.

I've worked the 1%er jobs, and by virtue of being similarly thrifty and never having the opportunity to spend have set myself up in a almost similar fashion to him albeit not quite to the degree of set for life. I can tell you that the time and scheduling of these sorts of jobs mean that absolutely everything else in life is on hold, and second to work. Good friend getting married? Maybe I can make the wedding. I'll let you know 2 days before if the job finishes and can get on a last minute 10,000 mile flight. For me it literally got to a point where the money was meaningless in any capacity beyond when I no longer had that sort of job. The money is great, it set me up amazingly, but seeing friends and family 1-2x a year, going months without having a conversation in fluent native english, and having your 4 yo Goddaughter who you've only seen half a dozen times in your life not recognize you and be afraid of the strange guy trying to hug her sucks.
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RE: Mr Money Mustache Divorce
(01-08-2019 10:05 PM)Seadog Wrote:  Financially this divorce is a non event for him. Peak happiness for him apparently comes from doing small projects, biking, hiking, and blogging.

You know, that can be true at the same time as these things:

(01-08-2019 06:58 PM)remarkable vigour Wrote:  4. Money was the catalyst for his wife leaving him. It is clear that he simply would not sanction anything that disagreed with his environmentalist stance. He would view a new dress and purse as being totally unnecessary frippery.

5. His wife was not even getting an average level of spending. Adeney did not even attempt to do the bare minimum. No doubt she felt that Adeney was more emotionally invested in environmental concerns that the marriage and over the years it simply wore her down.

Maybe she did leave him for above reasons, AND maybe he just doesn't give a shit. He knows he's set for the rest of his life, even with his net worth getting chopped in half, so he gives 2 shits about his wife practicing Crossfit with Tyrone in his former bedroom in his former house. Or perhaps he's just reached that fabled "self actualization" tier on Maslow's hierarchy of needs and sees things like familial relationships as unnecessary to his true calling, which is spreading the good word of the MMM cult to as many minds as possible.

So here's the question: If a chump doesn't care that he's a chump, is he still a chump? The answer is yes, but it doesn't matter.

By the way, I've done some digging (other forums, blogs, reddit, etc.) into the dirty details of what actually went down in the MMM household regarding the divorce. I have found nothing concrete so far, but in my search I've come across a lot of posts from people who have met MMM in real life through events, fan meetups, running into him in places, etc. and a common theme in a lot of posts is that he has a "my way or the highway" attitude regarding the MMM life philosophy. It lends credence to the whole "split because of money" theory regarding the divorce.

Anyways, MMM's place in internet history is set. He has inspired countless people to become better in many ways, and he can die knowing that he has made his mark, and it was a good one. But it's also true that his marriage to the mother of his only child was a failure.

Just a shitposter.
01-09-2019 12:16 AM
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RE: Mr Money Mustache Divorce
(01-08-2019 07:29 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  ^^ the haterade is strong with you. Why do you know so much about this "beta chump"'s life? Almost sounds like you're a jelly stalker neighbour rubbing your hands with glee over his misfortunes.

This guy has given a lot of values to many people. Now he and his young son are suffering because of this selfish wife, and this fucked up society that ruins families. That is not a cause for cheers and laughter of any kind.

What you are doing is totally uncalled for and is very uncool.

No hate from me just 6 facts that are inconvenient to your point of view.

In actual fact he hasn't given value to people. He may have a very popular blog but it is not actionable for most people,

Now let me tell you why.

He used to earn four times the average (and his wife twice) which when coupled with them living frugally allowed them to save enough to invest so they didn't have to work. He also has a very much higher than average intelligence and intelligence has a causal link to earning ability.

He is also a very good writer.

Unfortunately he writes a load of feel good over optimistic pablum as most people will never be able to make four times the average and/or have the intelligence to do so.

IOW, he is a snake oil salesman selling a dream.

As this is primarily a game site we focus on mens rights. This has lead to people rightly pointing out divorce rape happens, however, in this case it is not about the wife being selfish. It is very much the case of Adeney being selfish with his 'my way or the highway' attitude and not being a proper leader in the marriage.

Btw, i'm not stalking him, I simply don't want people to be taken in by his bollocks and posted such to this very site about two or three years ago.

As for having glee over his (obvious outcome of his actions) misfortune, I have never met him and have no intention of doing so. However, it is beneficial to live in a society where ones actions have real and proper consequences so as to provide feedback for the best course of action to take.

In this case Adeney probably won't suffer much personally and therefore will not learn and grow as a person. I doubt the loss of a million bucks will cause much anguish as he is much more interested in environmental matters and he may well feel the departure of his wife as casting off deadwood and now he is free to go full retard in tree hugging.

Other people, OTOH, can learn from his mistakes.
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RE: Mr Money Mustache Divorce
Broadly, you can use money for 3 things;

1) Buy stuff
2) Buy time (i.e freedom)
3) Raise little humans - which consumes both 1 & 2

Most people have to compromise between these things. MMM got to a point where he found he no longer needed to. Which kinda rendered his life a bit pointless and his frugality unnecessary.

Regardless he still focused on 2.

His wife likely wanted a bit more of 1.

If they had taken option 3 he could have squared the circle and they likely would still be a family unit and a bigger one at that.

He sealed his fate when he had the snip.
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