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(01-11-2019 11:12 AM)joost Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 07:40 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I hired a female designer to create the cover.

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Typography is crap. Looks like it's written LACLY. Get an easier to read typeface. Both for the title and probably for author.

I think the book should have a subtitle to describe the book since your can't have an idea by looking at the cover. Something like "how to succeed", "how to find the man of your dreams", etc.

You should've hired a man to do the design. GAME cover was quite good. See if he can do this one.

The problem with this cover is that there's no tagline. It could easily be a romance novel, not a self-help book. I think you want something that clearly states the intended purpose of the book (even if subtly), as in don't scare the cat, but also don't confuse the cat.

I'm working through my review copy and will post thoughts soon.

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RE: Master thread for my book Lady
(01-10-2019 07:40 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I hired a female designer to create the cover.

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It's could be better design-wise IMHO. The title is smack centre which is aesthetically poor. Using the rule of thirds you could have the title across the top third line and a pictorial motif lower down.

The weighting of the informational area against the empty space is a bit off. The title and probably the motif could improve from enlargement and gaining impact

Stylistically moving away from Barbara Cartland romance towards Coco Chanel elegance might appeal more to young malleable women?

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The cover should spell out the purpose of the book using a short subtitle. 'Lady' on its own doesn't tell us anything. I'm no wordsmith but subtitles could be along the lines of 'Timeless success through tradition' or 'Become the most desired'. Heartiste may be good at this.

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01-11-2019 04:55 PM
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When it comes to critiques on marketing the book and selling copies, please state the experience you've had selling books to men or women.

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01-11-2019 05:28 PM
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Personally, I like the cover Roosh.

I have always loved more simplistic design.

I imagine the goal, for the cover, is to get their interest peaked to where they will read the synopsis. I can see it working very well.

Experience: A art degree and I do my own graphics for products I created and sell.
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The author who did this cover really needs to add a subtitle. I don't know what it's about. Bang could mean anything, and the font looks plain. He should have hired a professional designer. He won't ever sell books with this cover.

   

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01-11-2019 06:59 PM
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Book covers are going to be different depending on the demographic. The Bang book cover reminds me of a heavy metal album. The stark cover, white on black, just the word BANG. The only thing it's missing are umlauts. It's aggressive. It's masculine. It's direct. Unapologetic. Focused. That's perfect for men.

It might help to stroll through what few physical bookstores are left and take a look at the self-help aisle to see what female-oriented self-help books look like. Remember that women are more verbal than visual. They are going to respond more to the words than the artwork.

Here is an example. Just bright yellow with a bunch of words.

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As a design I think the above cover sucks, but it might grab women since they react differently.

That being said, generic and/or male self-help books are also pretty wordy:

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The words are meant to sort of shout out at the passer-by so it's sort of obnoxious by design.

Here is a cheezy one that integrates a provocative photo in the background. Almost cliche'.

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But the pattern here is to sort of trigger a strong, almost shocking (even WTF) reaction on the bookstand that compels you to at least pick it up and read the blurb on the back-cover.
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^ All due respect to Roosh, I doubt we're going to see copies of this on the shelves of the local bookstore. It's gotta pop on the computer screen more than anything.

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I have to second a lot of things mentioned about the cover. Cursive fonts are bad for readability, especially online. I saw that as Lacly as well before reading the comments.

Show it to people who don't know that you're even writing a book and ask them about the cover and what they think the book is suppose to be about. Remember we already all know this.

And I work as a website developer, so I know about a bit about typography.
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How about some kind of 1950s style image of a girl in the kitchen, cooking a meal for her 3 children and husband at the table...but redone in a modern way ?

It's traditional and reinforces the best end goals for women, yet at the same time has that shock value that will trigger and outrage everyone, especially feminists, SJWs, male feminists and all the other weirdos of today.

Here's some examples...just redo them in a modern style.

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If you guys didn't notice, this thread isn't for cover or artwork suggestions.

I just finished reading the review copy of Lady. It was a pretty quick read; it took a few hours over a couple different sittings. My first impression is that Roosh toned down his writing a little bit. Not enough to change his voice, but soft enough to cater to a female reader. The book can be summed up as 'What would your grandma do?'. If someone living in pre-1950's era America could read it, their main response would be 'Well, no shit'.

Roosh takes the red pill and packages it in a way that a modern woman can understand. I especially liked the dichotomy of the angel and devil on your shoulder in explaining if something is going to help or hurt a woman's chances at settling down with a good man. I've been married for a little over a year now and tried to view the book through the lens of how my wife would interpret it. She's Brazilian and she and her family would view most points in the book as common sense.

A feminist or progressive female would not make it more than a couple pages before autistically screeching. But Roosh obviously isn't intending Lady to become the next bible of the You Go Gurl™ crowd. He offers practical advice to women such as waiting a long time before putting out, staying thin, growing long hair, and putting oneself in a situation where a man looking to settle down will cross paths. I'm shocked Roosh has any female readers at all, but the market for this book is going to be primarily limited to women who have already been introduced to the red pill/manosphere in some capacity. It will be most helpful for a woman approaching thirty with a least a few failed relationships, but not a major history of being slutty. Overall, Lady is a well written book providing actionable advice for a western woman seeking marriage and creating a family. I just hope it doesn't fall onto deaf ears.
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I really enjoyed this book, as I found it useful to society, and also because, even for a man, there are valuable things to take from it! Lady describes strategies to devise and life-lessons to learn, mostly for women but also, incidentally, for men.

For women, it is a very useful book, where Roosh has clearly explained and documented the ways intelligent women should behave, if they want to find happiness (well, the level of happiness and fulfillment that human beings should strive for, as opposed to gluttonous consumerism).

For men who want to settle, the book helps us understand the mentality of good women ready for commitment and starting a loving family, help us spot and seduce them, by understanding what they will be looking for, and where they'll be expecting to meet us.

In any case, Roosh has written an impressive, strongly honest book, full of reflections on modern life, feminism and capitalism, the pursuit of happiness... and women should value the fact that he offers them the same honesty that he's famous for among men.

To sum it up: Roosh wants (and it's a beautiful thing) to help women "bring to the forefront their qualities" and make the best of them to reach happiness and in the process, better our ailing society.
01-12-2019 08:17 PM
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I just finished it up.

In short, the book is full of timeless wisdom. Roosh writes to the restlessness that faces modern women (and also men), which is that in our digitally-soaked world, we appear to have unlimited options, thus encouraging us to not settle down with a person who is "good enough", instead of chasing "new and shiny". He makes the excellent case that the appearance of having more options doesn't mean that you can get a man to commit, just that he might sleep with you, which, is ultimately unfulfilling for a woman looking to lock a man down.

Lady is an interesting read, especially seeing the vast transformations that are happening in our modern culture which are putting pressures on both men and women that we've never faced before. I see it as a good turning point for encouraging women who have an open mind that knowing what are the right tools and strategies for finding and securing a man. That woman with an open mind will stand to benefit from understanding men, from a man's perspective. So much of dating advice is dispensed by women, for women. Lady is a departure from that stranglehold on the market.

Roosh even mentions that he's had his own multi-part saga of what he has chased to find happiness, or perhaps, the better word is contentment or fulfillment. Early on in his writings, it was about securing as many new sex partners as possible, a path that even for most men, ultimately isn't that fulfilling, or even tiresome, especially as men enter their 30's and beyond. There's been a logical progression in his writing, such that even if a woman were to read "Lady" without having read his other books, I'd argue that this is one of the more complete ones (along with "Game" for men) from a writer's perspective.

Roosh in one part of the book makes a strong case for attending church to find a good man, of which I agree is a good strategy. Faithlessness tends to lead to hedonism, and by attempting to seek a relationship with God, you're more likely to limit the most extreme temptations (even if you fall along the way), and hopefully find a man who shares your values. Churches, until the fairly modern era, have always formed social meeting grounds for singles to pair up, and the better pastors will make an effort to facilitate encouraging his singles to mingle and pair off.

The book also offers good advice to guard against a woman's natural desire to be very picky about 100-point checklists for "Mr. Perfect". To pair off requires humility, a grace that has not been encouraged by the modern feminist crowd. That being said, I don't see feminists buying this book, as they tend to spend time around soybois who they quietly loathe, or avoid men altogether. Rather, I see this book as being an interesting starting point for a woman of more moderate viewpoints and an open mind as to why so much of the woman-authored dating "advice" seems to be failing her in the objective of finding a mate.

In closing, I do recommend the book to any woman who has a genuine desire to buck the tired (and failed) conventions of feminism, and realizes that men are ultimately looking for a more balanced woman to pair off with. The book provides a simple, but deep enough gameplan for any woman to follow. If she does follow the advice contained in Lady, there's no doubt in my mind that her opportunities and odds for finding a quality man (who will commit) will increase.

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