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(01-11-2019 11:12 AM)joost Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 07:40 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I hired a female designer to create the cover.

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Typography is crap. Looks like it's written LACLY. Get an easier to read typeface. Both for the title and probably for author.

I think the book should have a subtitle to describe the book since your can't have an idea by looking at the cover. Something like "how to succeed", "how to find the man of your dreams", etc.

You should've hired a man to do the design. GAME cover was quite good. See if he can do this one.

The problem with this cover is that there's no tagline. It could easily be a romance novel, not a self-help book. I think you want something that clearly states the intended purpose of the book (even if subtly), as in don't scare the cat, but also don't confuse the cat.

I'm working through my review copy and will post thoughts soon.

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(01-10-2019 07:40 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I hired a female designer to create the cover.

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It's could be better design-wise IMHO. The title is smack centre which is aesthetically poor. Using the rule of thirds you could have the title across the top third line and a pictorial motif lower down.

The weighting of the informational area against the empty space is a bit off. The title and probably the motif could improve from enlargement and gaining impact

Stylistically moving away from Barbara Cartland romance towards Coco Chanel elegance might appeal more to young malleable women?

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The cover should spell out the purpose of the book using a short subtitle. 'Lady' on its own doesn't tell us anything. I'm no wordsmith but subtitles could be along the lines of 'Timeless success through tradition' or 'Become the most desired'. Heartiste may be good at this.

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When it comes to critiques on marketing the book and selling copies, please state the experience you've had selling books to men or women.

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Personally, I like the cover Roosh.

I have always loved more simplistic design.

I imagine the goal, for the cover, is to get their interest peaked to where they will read the synopsis. I can see it working very well.

Experience: A art degree and I do my own graphics for products I created and sell.
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The author who did this cover really needs to add a subtitle. I don't know what it's about. Bang could mean anything, and the font looks plain. He should have hired a professional designer. He won't ever sell books with this cover.

   

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Book covers are going to be different depending on the demographic. The Bang book cover reminds me of a heavy metal album. The stark cover, white on black, just the word BANG. The only thing it's missing are umlauts. It's aggressive. It's masculine. It's direct. Unapologetic. Focused. That's perfect for men.

It might help to stroll through what few physical bookstores are left and take a look at the self-help aisle to see what female-oriented self-help books look like. Remember that women are more verbal than visual. They are going to respond more to the words than the artwork.

Here is an example. Just bright yellow with a bunch of words.

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As a design I think the above cover sucks, but it might grab women since they react differently.

That being said, generic and/or male self-help books are also pretty wordy:

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The words are meant to sort of shout out at the passer-by so it's sort of obnoxious by design.

Here is a cheezy one that integrates a provocative photo in the background. Almost cliche'.

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But the pattern here is to sort of trigger a strong, almost shocking (even WTF) reaction on the bookstand that compels you to at least pick it up and read the blurb on the back-cover.
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^ All due respect to Roosh, I doubt we're going to see copies of this on the shelves of the local bookstore. It's gotta pop on the computer screen more than anything.

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I have to second a lot of things mentioned about the cover. Cursive fonts are bad for readability, especially online. I saw that as Lacly as well before reading the comments.

Show it to people who don't know that you're even writing a book and ask them about the cover and what they think the book is suppose to be about. Remember we already all know this.

And I work as a website developer, so I know about a bit about typography.
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How about some kind of 1950s style image of a girl in the kitchen, cooking a meal for her 3 children and husband at the table...but redone in a modern way ?

It's traditional and reinforces the best end goals for women, yet at the same time has that shock value that will trigger and outrage everyone, especially feminists, SJWs, male feminists and all the other weirdos of today.

Here's some examples...just redo them in a modern style.

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RE: Master thread for my book Lady
If you guys didn't notice, this thread isn't for cover or artwork suggestions.

I just finished reading the review copy of Lady. It was a pretty quick read; it took a few hours over a couple different sittings. My first impression is that Roosh toned down his writing a little bit. Not enough to change his voice, but soft enough to cater to a female reader. The book can be summed up as 'What would your grandma do?'. If someone living in pre-1950's era America could read it, their main response would be 'Well, no shit'.

Roosh takes the red pill and packages it in a way that a modern woman can understand. I especially liked the dichotomy of the angel and devil on your shoulder in explaining if something is going to help or hurt a woman's chances at settling down with a good man. I've been married for a little over a year now and tried to view the book through the lens of how my wife would interpret it. She's Brazilian and she and her family would view most points in the book as common sense.

A feminist or progressive female would not make it more than a couple pages before autistically screeching. But Roosh obviously isn't intending Lady to become the next bible of the You Go Gurl™ crowd. He offers practical advice to women such as waiting a long time before putting out, staying thin, growing long hair, and putting oneself in a situation where a man looking to settle down will cross paths. I'm shocked Roosh has any female readers at all, but the market for this book is going to be primarily limited to women who have already been introduced to the red pill/manosphere in some capacity. It will be most helpful for a woman approaching thirty with a least a few failed relationships, but not a major history of being slutty. Overall, Lady is a well written book providing actionable advice for a western woman seeking marriage and creating a family. I just hope it doesn't fall onto deaf ears.
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RE: Master thread for my book Lady
I really enjoyed this book, as I found it useful to society, and also because, even for a man, there are valuable things to take from it! Lady describes strategies to devise and life-lessons to learn, mostly for women but also, incidentally, for men.

For women, it is a very useful book, where Roosh has clearly explained and documented the ways intelligent women should behave, if they want to find happiness (well, the level of happiness and fulfillment that human beings should strive for, as opposed to gluttonous consumerism).

For men who want to settle, the book helps us understand the mentality of good women ready for commitment and starting a loving family, help us spot and seduce them, by understanding what they will be looking for, and where they'll be expecting to meet us.

In any case, Roosh has written an impressive, strongly honest book, full of reflections on modern life, feminism and capitalism, the pursuit of happiness... and women should value the fact that he offers them the same honesty that he's famous for among men.

To sum it up: Roosh wants (and it's a beautiful thing) to help women "bring to the forefront their qualities" and make the best of them to reach happiness and in the process, better our ailing society.
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I just finished it up.

In short, the book is full of timeless wisdom. Roosh writes to the restlessness that faces modern women (and also men), which is that in our digitally-soaked world, we appear to have unlimited options, thus encouraging us to not settle down with a person who is "good enough", instead of chasing "new and shiny". He makes the excellent case that the appearance of having more options doesn't mean that you can get a man to commit, just that he might sleep with you, which, is ultimately unfulfilling for a woman looking to lock a man down.

Lady is an interesting read, especially seeing the vast transformations that are happening in our modern culture which are putting pressures on both men and women that we've never faced before. I see it as a good turning point for encouraging women who have an open mind that knowing what are the right tools and strategies for finding and securing a man. That woman with an open mind will stand to benefit from understanding men, from a man's perspective. So much of dating advice is dispensed by women, for women. Lady is a departure from that stranglehold on the market.

Roosh even mentions that he's had his own multi-part saga of what he has chased to find happiness, or perhaps, the better word is contentment or fulfillment. Early on in his writings, it was about securing as many new sex partners as possible, a path that even for most men, ultimately isn't that fulfilling, or even tiresome, especially as men enter their 30's and beyond. There's been a logical progression in his writing, such that even if a woman were to read "Lady" without having read his other books, I'd argue that this is one of the more complete ones (along with "Game" for men) from a writer's perspective.

Roosh in one part of the book makes a strong case for attending church to find a good man, of which I agree is a good strategy. Faithlessness tends to lead to hedonism, and by attempting to seek a relationship with God, you're more likely to limit the most extreme temptations (even if you fall along the way), and hopefully find a man who shares your values. Churches, until the fairly modern era, have always formed social meeting grounds for singles to pair up, and the better pastors will make an effort to facilitate encouraging his singles to mingle and pair off.

The book also offers good advice to guard against a woman's natural desire to be very picky about 100-point checklists for "Mr. Perfect". To pair off requires humility, a grace that has not been encouraged by the modern feminist crowd. That being said, I don't see feminists buying this book, as they tend to spend time around soybois who they quietly loathe, or avoid men altogether. Rather, I see this book as being an interesting starting point for a woman of more moderate viewpoints and an open mind as to why so much of the woman-authored dating "advice" seems to be failing her in the objective of finding a mate.

In closing, I do recommend the book to any woman who has a genuine desire to buck the tired (and failed) conventions of feminism, and realizes that men are ultimately looking for a more balanced woman to pair off with. The book provides a simple, but deep enough gameplan for any woman to follow. If she does follow the advice contained in Lady, there's no doubt in my mind that her opportunities and odds for finding a quality man (who will commit) will increase.

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RE: Master thread for my book Lady
"Roosh wants a 1950s housewife who literally has a cartoon Angel and Devil on her shoulders, and women should forget having such high expectations like finding a partner we're, you know,actually attracted to."

That's what they'll say.

The ones who get about one third of the way through the book, and that's all they have in the bank. Failing to find anything actually sexist or misogynist in a book for women by the world's #1 Misogynist and Rape Advocate™, they'll be forced to make fun of it's deliberately simple recurring analogy.

It's going to be really interesting to see the reactions to this book, which far from being provocative, just lays out a bunch of simple truths and traditional wisdom, which more girls than you might think are starting to notice.
There's a few surprises in there for RVF members, but none more than the "Two-Ninths"
Date 9!
This really stunned me. If a new member started a thread that he'd been on 9 dates without getting the bang and therefore must've found a good woman, odds are he'd be laughed off the forum. If it happened to me I'd likely have given up knowing that forum wisdom says I am friendzoned and a meal ticket, that I failed to escalate. I'd never mention it for fear of becoming a meme, yet there it is from the pen of Roosh himself that a girl should wait until date 9(!) to have sex.

Page 116 "Besides, if a man is putting intense pressure on you for sex, it may be a warning sign that he's in his fun stage" This again contradicts Bang and RVF wisdom to always be escalating, so a good man may be doing not what is natural, but what he has been taught is necessary, and lose out here. I honestly can't imagine many RVF members waiting 9 dates without concern.
These examples prove if a lady has read Lady, you can be sure she is one.

A few little things...

Page 41 "far more superior" would make more sense as just "far superior" since you're talking about something that's shit anyway.

Page 63 "because of 2 reasons" is a little clunky, I had to read it twice because the first reason has an either/or, making it seem like 2 reasons but then there's another one.
Page 64 "extraversion" is technically correct, but very uncommon, I'd be inclined to go with "extroversion" unless I was writing directly to a group of Jungians who would nitpick. You may have done this deliberately just to be a bastard

Most importantly, I've already promised a copy of this book to my little sister when it comes out. She's 24 (and if her picture turned up on this forum, would be rated a unanimous WB I'm sure) She's in an LTR with the most RVF guy non-RVF guy I've ever met. I expect to welcome him aboard when he gets back to an internet connection.
The problems they have from time to time all stem from the dissonance between what she sees and feels, and what she has always been told she deserves. I truly believe this book will change their lives.

Roosh, when I saw the dedication on the second page "To My Sister" I teared up, and I am again now. This book will probably be the single most important thing I ever pass on to my little sister, and it's from you Bro.

Cheers.

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RE: Master thread for my book Lady
Thanks Tex, John, and wi30 for the reviews.

Quote:Page 116 "Besides, if a man is putting intense pressure on you for sex, it may be a warning sign that he's in his fun stage" This again contradicts Bang and RVF wisdom to always be escalating, so a good man may be doing not what is natural, but what he has been taught is necessary, and lose out here. I honestly can't imagine many RVF members waiting 9 dates without concern.

Men want sex quickly because it feels good and because we don't want to be played. Many women will string us along for attention and give us nothing in the end.

A good woman wants a man who will commit and not hurt her, and the only way to ensure that is to delay sex.

Therein lies the conflict! There is a gulf between the two, but if a man is in his settle down stage, which 80% of RVFers are not, he'll wait until date 9. The type of man that Lady advises women to date is not your typical RVFer for sure. The guys here predominately want casual sex, not relationships. When they are ready for a relationship from a good woman, they may wait or they may not. It's an individual decision, but a good woman should not reward the man who can't wait.

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Haha, I felt the same about the 2 & 9 rule. I thought Roosh had betrayed us! (Even though chaste behaviour was the norm thru most of history)

At first glance, it can look like Lady is providing an excuse to play men for resources and attention, but we have to remember that the book spends a lot of time teaching women what men are looking for and how to make our lives easier.

I think there's a huge difference between a woman who strings you along on dates while she plays with her smartphone

vs. a woman who puts effort into her appearance, is pleasant to talk to, cooks for you / shows her homemaking skills, seems honest, and otherwise puts her fair share of effort into each date.

Very few of us would wait 9 dates with a girl who expects us to put in all the effort, but 9 dates with a woman who's actively trying to please you outside of just sex can be fairly pleasant, or at least bearable.
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RE: Master thread for my book Lady
Alright, review time:

I really enjoyed going through Lady, however, it's a bit hard to review comprehensively because it's absolutely PACKED with good info. No flattery intended, but there were so many little gems tucked away in here that it would be hard to cover them all. I think Roosh or any copywriter will have a lot of fun writing the bullets for this book, e.g. "The two best ways to boost your attractiveness."

With that said, I'll cover a few of the topics and points that stuck out to me:

♦ The book starts out with some ideas about how to be a high value woman and live a respectable and attractive life. As mentioned by other posters before, I really like the "What would your grandmother do?" test. It's really simple and I think this sets the tone for the book in that the rest of the concepts and ideas are pretty down-to-earth and easy to remember.

♦ One idea that especially stuck with me is that if you don't 'feed your devil,' he will eventually weaken and it'll be easier to listen to your angel. This concept is applicable to a multitude of bad habits. If we want to break a habit, we can be mindful of its existence and allow the negative feelings to fade instead of making them stronger by giving in to them. Roosh lays out a bunch of negative devil feeding behaviours and traps presented by our modern world. The explanations are clear and have memorable names so it's easy for readers to recognize when they come up. I think a woman would learn a lot about herself by being exposed to these concepts, and a woman who avoided these traps would be a sweet catch, especially if she was good looking.

♦ Roosh gives some great examples to show that men & women have very different roles and are attracted to very different things. He goes to the extent of pointing out that a man would ultimately kill other human beings to protect his family! This is a message people need to hear because people are often acting like the opposite sex that they are attracted to, and then becoming frustrated and confused when it doesn't work out. Roosh emphasizes that men provide and protect, while women can be awesome at supporting and nurturing.

♦ Building on this, there are some great points about not going to university. Modern women think everyone should go to college, but few have stopped to weigh the pros and cons. There's some serious value in this section. Roosh doesn't completely slam university, but instead suggests having children when you're at your most fertile, and then if you still want to go to university, there's plenty of time to do that when you're in your 40s and your children have grown into adults. This is an alternate angle that puts you way ahead of your peers when it comes to having a family. ... Not to mention there's a ton of degeneracy that happens in uni.

♦ The university section was immediately applicable to me as, coincidentally, just a few days after reading it I used a bunch of the points there to talk a girl out of blowing $100,000+ USD of her/her parent's money on some stupid art school in California. Considering Roosh shot me this book for free, this is a pretty damn good return on investment (for her, anyway)!!!

♥ Around this point, Lady segues into talking about how to get love & commitment from a good man, how to make it all last in a loving and meaningful relationship, and how to avoid get taken for a ride. Roosh gives some rules that will be extremely effective at screening out players. Like, nuclear effective. I know if I didn't have much interest in a girl beyond sex, I wouldn't put up with the nonsense! This is a very good thing as there are plenty of sluts in the world, and the supply of marriageable women is sorely lacking. I know I'd be ecstatic if the future mother of my children conducted herself this way!

♥ A concept that women really need to understand is that for every 100 men that are interested in you, probably 90 want a one-night or friends with benefits arrangement, only about 7 would like to be in a monogamous relationship, and maybe only 3 actually want to get married with you.

♥ Roosh lays out the big differences in sex vs commitment. I'm sure we've met a lot of women who brag about how they went on a date with this or that rich or famous or athletic guy or had an amazing ex-boyfriend, but in these cases I always think to myself, "Yeah, but where is he now?" A huge source of female pain & unhappiness is trying to lock down someone way out of her league. Props to her for trying, but at least go into it knowing how to act accordingly (which Lady lays out how to do). Most girls are totally clueless.

♥ Somewhere in here was a line that really stuck with me. "Understand that if a man says he's not ready, what he's really saying is that he's not ready for you, EVER, because a man is always ready for his ideal girl, even if sex has yet to take place." This line startled me because I've caught myself saying this to women I don't see myself having a future with. Roosh, stop giving away our secrets!

♥ A little nugget I like is where Roosh says to try not to view men's needs as a chore, but, ideally, as something a girl wants to do to express her femininity. I think this is a really useful mindset in that feeling love & taking pride in what you do is only going to make your life easier. Even though it's idealistic, being happy to please your partner is a much healthier mindset than doing things for them begrudgingly!

♥ There are some smart tips on where to run into successful men who will want to commit to you. It would be pretty pointless to be the ideal girl if no one had the chance to actually meet you! However, this book is actionable steps all the way through.

♥ Lastly, to balance the harsh player-screening rules, Roosh spends a lot of time on how to keep a man interested in ways other than just sex. There's a lot of great points about the qualities men are looking for that will make or break a relationship. I found myself smiling back on past LTRs where my girl did some of these things for me, just as I found myself wishing she hadn't neglected some of the others. Again, it's all actionable steps that women can apply right now in their hunt for a husband or to make their current man fall more in love with them.

All in all, I give this book a 9/10 WB (would buy), with the -1 point because any girl who reads this is going to be way harder for anyone to have fast sex with. This is a much needed book as the current culture is absolutely screaming at women to destroy their marriageability. Cheers and I hope to see Lady in the bookstores.
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(01-25-2019 08:47 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Many women will string us along for attention and give us nothing in the end.

+1000000000000000000. That describes women's behavior on Facebook and Instagram to a T.

This is why women love social media so much...free attention.
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I had an unexpected amount of work to do and was not able to read the whole book during Janury. I am very sorry for this. I am now only about halfway trough the book. It's pathetic considering it's short and intresting, but still thats how thing went for me.

Anyway I would not be able to say anything much that has not been said by other reviewers. The book holds many truths and pearls of wisdom that could change a woman's (and even man's) life if applied. However it is all written too directly and too bluntly for a woman to desire to pick this book up. Roosh however is himself aware of that and mentions that in his book, that he would not compromize and state the truth in the direct method, where it doesn't lose any valuable message for sugar couted indirect platitudes.

Still something that Roosh could have donw would be involve anecdotical evidence. He could have mentioned examples of some women he knew, with changed names and how bad choices ruined their lives or good choices made their lives better in long term. Women would like such anecdotical stories and it would ease up the digestion of abstract truths.


The main thing I took for myself from this book is that Happiness is fleeting and a person should search for a fulfillment instead. And fulfillment is different for men and women to each according to their nature. This truth applies to both sexes.


To summarize, this is probably not a book any woman (both traditionally oriented or a slut) would buy on her own, unless she is a hater of Roosh. But as a gift from a man to a woman, either a sister, a daughter, a wife or potential wife, this could be a very good thing. Buy this book for a woman you would like to save from the feminist modern life and discuss it with her later.
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RE: Master thread for my book Lady
Where can I buy it now?

EDIT: Never mind! Found it and bought it to my main chick. Smile
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RE: Master thread for my book Lady
Lady is now out. Click here for the announcement.

Launch is going well. It's the first time ever I've done a launch with direct paperback sales. I learned my lesson now to count on online bookstores with Game.

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RE: Master thread for my book Lady
(02-14-2019 03:10 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Lady is now out. Click here for the announcement.

Launch is going well. It's the first time ever I've done a launch with direct paperback sales. I learned my lesson now to count on online bookstores with Game.

Roosh I've been watching the Roosh hour streams and man, what's going on? Hit some chest man. Get that thing nice and juicy. Afterwards maybe due some arms and then bounce. Can't be doing too much cardio. I'm seeing a little too much cardio going on.

Fuck cardio fuck legs fuck bitches get juicy
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RE: Master thread for my book Lady
Lady out on valentines day?

Awww how sweet of you Roosh, ya' big softie!
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RE: Master thread for my book Lady
Picked up a copy of the paperback.

The more I think about it, Lady is super useful to men who want to mold their women and hold them to a higher standard.

Shipping to Canada was just a few bucks.

Pretty good deal considering that it's a frozen wasteland up here.

I look forward to future books on beekeeping and pug ranching.
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(02-14-2019 08:40 PM)Tactician Wrote:  Picked up a copy of the paperback.

The more I think about it, Lady is super useful to men who want to mold their women and hold them to a higher standard.

Shipping to Canada was just a few bucks.

Pretty good deal considering that it's a frozen wasteland up here.

I look forward to future books on beekeeping and pug ranching.

Thanks for the support and also the review! I posted it on my blog on Wednesday and it got a good response along with my excerpts.

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