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Solid data sheet. +1 OP

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So OP how many zebras did you have to buy and how much shit did you have to throw to pull these girls?

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RE: Data sheet: Losing virginity late and the effect it has on game/relationships
Ever thought about just lying to the anticipated LTR about when you lost your virginity? Seems like the obvious solution. One of my best friends tells chicks(and us) that he lost his virginity at 13... there's no way anyone can prove or disprove that years later.
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Guys, the 100 Instagram models are not the focus of the thread here. Let's focus on the virginity. This thread is not going in the direction OP hoped.
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RE: Data sheet: Losing virginity late and the effect it has on game/relationships
I will also call bullshit but maybe there can come some value from this thread anyway?

I was a late bloomer too and my notch count sky rocketed pretty soon after a drunk lay.
I had discovered game and a few pick up communities online at the same time and cold approach was like a new world had opened up.

I would go out 2-4 times per week and be obsessed with cold approach and new girls. I realised more and more that guys I had previously looked up to and think was so cool for banging chicks were actually pretty damn lame with girls and that this is actually not that much of a big deal.

The thing that bothered me afterwards wasn’t that I missed out on anything in my teens. In fact, it was the complete opposite, I would beat myself up for making it up to this huge deal and stressing myself out for years because society had told me that I need to have banged X amount of sluts before a certain age in order to not be a loser.

And now I can beat myself up sometimes for how much time I’ve wasted on chasing sluts instead of focusing on making money.

So to guys here who are late bloomers I would say don’t get too stressed up about it.
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Call it bs on this too. 100 is definitely above average and impressive but I dont think its that unreasonable.

I manage to bang 2 new girls per week when I game aggressively but that requires quite a bit of effort, I usually manage to do it for a few months and need a break afterward. My work pr other parts of my life usually get affected because I spent a lot of time chasing girls.
If I had the mental strength to do it consistently for one year I would break 100 I am pretty sure.

That being said no fucking way those 2 girls a week I bang are model quality. I have pretty high standard but 50% are probably average to cute and the rest hot, with 1 or 2 in 10 that could be considered model material.

An ex incel that used to be poor and goes from 0 to triple digit in a year? Give us some hard proof or get the fuck outta here. I am sure someone that old that never had sex before he would get so attached to the first hot girls he bangs that will creep her out and scary her. Let alone find another 99 of them.
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(01-08-2019 08:12 PM)wellrockthecity Wrote:  An ex incel that used to be poor and goes from 0 to triple digit in a year? Give us some hard proof or get the fuck outta here.

Yes 100 can’t be true but I think some guys can just have mental barriers that prevents them. Like that 4 minute mile in history where no one could do it at first and it seemed impossible but once one dude did it, suddenly everyone also could.

I went from being an incel to bang more girls in a year and half than the average guy does in a whole life time. And I think it’s a bit similair to seeing your first few sold things online. Ones you realise it’s possible and not a big deal, you can start growing.
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(01-08-2019 04:54 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 03:40 PM)corsega Wrote:  How is that utter bullshit?

Many black people find others touching their hair to be offensive. This is a very common trope in popular culture:
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I posted that example to show how the guy's claims are outlandish versus his social/game awareness. There are other examples I'm happy to dig up for you, but I'd rather the rest of you read his other posts and make up your own mind based on his posts, not based on any bias (you yourself said it's believable not based on his overall merit just because you experienced something similar and essentially that's why you think it's the truth).

As others have pointed out this is not a data sheet. Maybe he's real, but I doubt it and pointing out flaws in someone's posts or being reasonably skeptical does not equate to being a hater or whatever you think I am being.

Nowhere in my post did I say it was believable. What I was complaining about, is guys coming in and posting stupid GIFs and calling bullshit without presenting ANY evidence to the contrary. And not even providing an answer to his question.

Just come in, post GIFs, make a low-effort "bullshit" call. It's deplorable.

Polar's post I have no problem with. If you want to call bullshit, explain WHY.

(01-08-2019 05:42 PM)kadenz Wrote:  For questions 1,2 and 3.

You're looking at this all wrong don't think in terms of dates and approaching women individually in high numbers and grinding. I mainly stick to areas were girls are in abundance sometimes in groups and were I can provide things other men can't.

So there is a group of 5 girls trying to break into modeling/acting. A lot of guys try to show off with their money and basically try to buy sex from these girls. Even though these guys have money the girls look at these guys as lame at the end of the day these guys don't elicit any real feeling of love or fun from the girls. If someone just flashed there money to you and bought you shit would you actually love them for that?

So basically what I do is more so show the girls how to play on these guys weakness. Get the girls to invite the guys and all the guys friends to the club and make these guys think they are going to have some crazy orgy at the end. A couple thousand can easily be spent in one night by these guys on things like VIP and bottle service and sometimes much much more. The club gets a cut, I get a cut and so do the girls. There is a never ending amount of thirsty men so there is always money to be made. even when these guys get ignored at the end of the night and they get no pussy it's just regular for a lot of them. So many retarded men spend thousands of dollars clubbing and I never understood it, they instagram themselves in the club like they're having the best time and like they are getting pussy how many guys do you know like this?

A lot of girls are very hot but some of them sometimes have to do a lot of demeaning things to try and make it in the world. Once I show them how to kind of "finesse" things and not have to do anything they regret that is something that sets me apart. I'm not someone rich older guy they see as predatory, we're around the same age and kind of see each other as partners in business and also friends if that makes sense.

So after we're done at the club we go home together and ignore the other guys we made money off of. Instead of those other p4p guys getting anything I have sex with 4 of the 5 girls because my angle is completely different from them. I never try to buy anybody. I more so chase a fun time/money and I look at girls as friends/business partners not people I try to buy or impress with bullshit.

This isn't the only way I get girls and it's not the only kind of girls I fuck but it's an example of how I can fuck a lot of hot girls in a short amount of time.

And on your 3rd point about the money in these instances I'm not really spending anything we're actually making money so it's a couple birds in one stone.

4. Yeah I have fucked up teeth, some of the first girls I fucked were before I got them fixed because I realized I needed to stop focusing on my insecurities. But once I started getting my teeth fixed it did give me much more confidence and the ability to go for situations I wouldn't have otherwise and resulted in me picking up a lot of speed. And I guess I talked about about my value above.

5. I'm black and I do travel a bit.

6. I'd say the girl is maybe an 8.5
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9. This is one point of yours that I will agree with, I should focus more on some individual girls that I've met but honestly I just felt insecure losing my virginity at 21 like I had to no matter what get a high body count to offset losing my virginity at 21. And now that and almost got a comically high body count in a certain period of time I feel like now I might get into an LTR and I same "safe" to do so.

Great.

So that everyone in this thread can stop their self-righteousness, what was your ACTUAL laycount, if you had to think long and hard about it?

50? 25?

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(01-08-2019 08:28 PM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 08:12 PM)wellrockthecity Wrote:  An ex incel that used to be poor and goes from 0 to triple digit in a year? Give us some hard proof or get the fuck outta here.

Yes 100 can’t be true but I think some guys can just have mental barriers that prevents them. Like that 4 minute mile in history where no one could do it at first and it seemed impossible but once one dude did it, suddenly everyone also could.

What OP is describing its more like running that 4 minute mile with a broken leg and clutches. It probably can be done but I am not gona fucking believe it until I see it.

Anyone that can read a bell curve understand why models are so hard to get by. And why they are so sought after.

Think how many options one of these girls have. Now add the hardship to meet her, have her attracted to you, set up a date, sort out logistics, make her like you enough to have sex with you etc. Now multiply this by 100. Also manage to do that while (supposedly) working or studying full time. Now do that in less than one year.
On top of that add the fact that the the closest thing to a pussy you have seen in the first 25 years of your life was your mothers one when she gave you birth.

Also the part where he makes the other guys pays for the girls and he bangs them. Why would a hot girl bang him when she knows he would be more useful to have as business partner for making more money off these other suckers he knows?

So yeah OP is full of shit.
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Yeah let's wait to hear more from the latest troll. We've never had one of these before.

Even if this were true, why would you want to take advice from some guy who thinks it's in his best interest to "bang over 100 girls in less than a year" to prepare himself for an LTR?

Even taking it at face value, the dude just coasted on looks and logistics while probably picking up some game and STDs along the way. At best it's a cautionary tale, not a path I'd recommend anyone follow.

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100 girls in a year just sounds fishy, sorry. Even linux was posting up somewhere around 70 or something (correct me if i'm wrong) and he was cruising in Colombia and has confirmed and vetted good game.

If you're talking about one-hundred 4s in the Phils, I might believe it, but 100 eights in a year? Sorry, that sounds off.
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(01-08-2019 09:17 PM)corsega Wrote:  Just come in, post GIFs, make a low-effort "bullshit" call. It's deplorable.




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The only way I could see this insane achievement possible is if:

1: You're a 9 or 10 in the face
2: You were partying everyday almost with social circles full of hot girls. Probably highschool/college crowds. And usually banging drunk/high girls. And the parties had favorable logistics where a private space or bed was always a few steps away from the party.
3: You just had a natural personality for this.
4: maybe run an online dating profile on top of it
5: tons of free time.

You msut have never been getting rejected lol...

It would be basically have to be that the girls are approaching you first, and bringing you into bed. They're the ones doing the seducing, not the other way around. Usually girls who do this behavior are not 8+s, but actually 4-6s ....

Banging 100 girls in one year in somewhat believable, but banging 100 7+s and you just lost your virginity that same year dude explain yourself or seriously stop lying. Sounds like a dream to me. Ive yet to even bang 1 8/10.
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^^What would you have to be rated for girls to try and do the seducing?
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(01-08-2019 05:10 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  Only an incel would give thought to what some future hypothetical LTR would think of his lack of experience.

I know some of us newbs post stupid questions and comments, but I think some people are forgetting what it's like starting. A lot of people were bad with girls because they needed to sort out their life in other ways before being able to contemplate game.

Even after reality continuously hits me in the face with the good advice that is repeated in these forums, removing some limiting beliefs or habits that I have had for over a decade takes time.

I also lost my virginity at 21 and was worried what lack of experience would cost me in potential relationships. So fucking what.

(01-08-2019 05:10 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  And what kind of neuroses does it take to get suicidal about the pussy you didn't used to get now that youre swimming in vaginas?

Because the fear that you've missed out can be painful and is all relative. Why do some rich people who seem to have it all suicide?

Anyway, OP may be bullshiting but if he is not, the method he has described is somewhat plausible. A person I know got ridiculous amount of bangs after being featured in some tabloids as a model in an EE country and then toured clubs around the country. Girls went after him... He was already a natural so not necessarily the same scenario but if OP has the looks, he may not need a lot of game to achieve what he said he has.
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I just find it funny these low rep nobodies come out to shit on the expertise of forum vets who for a fact know this is completely implausible.

It’s either OP’s “8s” were 3s ands 4s or he’s bullshitting.

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(01-09-2019 11:56 AM)Comte De St. Germain Wrote:  I just find it funny these low rep nobodies come out to shit on the expertise of forum vets who for a fact know this is completely implausible.

It’s either OP’s “8s” were dudes or he’s bullshitting.

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Kidding aside I remember a conversation I was having with Rhyme Or Reason about "why" guys come in to the forum and drop BS. He said he'd quit trying to understand the "why" because people are just fucking weird and do weird shit for weird reasons. I thought its actually great advice....Its the internet... who knows why. They just do

(01-08-2019 05:42 PM)kadenz Wrote:  For questions 1,2 and 3.
So after we're done at the club we go home together and ignore the other guys we made money off of. Instead of those other p4p guys getting anything I have sex with 4 of the 5 girls because my angle is completely different from them. I never try to buy anybody. I more so chase a fun time/money and I look at girls as friends/business partners not people I try to buy or impress with bullshit.

Any man who's actually had sex with more than one club hootchie in IRL (VR doesn't count) knows the the above is fiction....poorly written fiction

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(01-08-2019 05:42 PM)kadenz Wrote:  So there is a group of 5 girls trying to break into modeling/acting. A lot of guys try to show off with their money and basically try to buy sex from these girls. Even though these guys have money the girls look at these guys as lame at the end of the day these guys don't elicit any real feeling of love or fun from the girls. If someone just flashed there money to you and bought you shit would you actually love them for that?

So basically what I do is more so show the girls how to play on these guys weakness. Get the girls to invite the guys and all the guys friends to the club and make these guys think they are going to have some crazy orgy at the end. A couple thousand can easily be spent in one night by these guys on things like VIP and bottle service and sometimes much much more. The club gets a cut, I get a cut and so do the girls. There is a never ending amount of thirsty men so there is always money to be made. even when these guys get ignored at the end of the night and they get no pussy it's just regular for a lot of them. So many retarded men spend thousands of dollars clubbing and I never understood it, they instagram themselves in the club like they're having the best time and like they are getting pussy how many guys do you know like this?

A lot of girls are very hot but some of them sometimes have to do a lot of demeaning things to try and make it in the world. Once I show them how to kind of "finesse" things and not have to do anything they regret that is something that sets me apart. I'm not someone rich older guy they see as predatory, we're around the same age and kind of see each other as partners in business and also friends if that makes sense.

So after we're done at the club we go home together and ignore the other guys we made money off of. Instead of those other p4p guys getting anything I have sex with 4 of the 5 girls because my angle is completely different from them. I never try to buy anybody. I more so chase a fun time/money and I look at girls as friends/business partners not people I try to buy or impress with bullshit.

This isn't the only way I get girls and it's not the only kind of girls I fuck but it's an example of how I can fuck a lot of hot girls in a short amount of time.
I've never smelt such bad manure, this is a badly written Incel wank piece of trolling, fucking 4 out of 5 girls after a night of pimping them out? Sure thing buddy.

Bore off.
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As a former incel till the age of 25 and one who has put more effort into improving myself and getting girls that most can fathom, suffice to say I don't buy the op's post at all. Not gonna call him a liar, but to me it just doesn't seem possible.

Even after 3 years of crazy hard effort (essentially a part-full time job during the first!), over 1.5k approaches, dates with over 120 girls from both tinder and daygame combined, I only banged 34 girls and a large portion were in South America where it was much easier. To this very day I bust my ass for minimal results though I never cease trying to improve my smv any way I can. Posts like this are just plain insulting to real incels who against all odds managed to blast out of the heart of darkness and actually achieve something. As I said, I don't want to 100% call the op a liar as it isn't my style but there is no denying the overwhelming trollishness...
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(01-09-2019 11:07 AM)coffeedrinker Wrote:  I know some of us newbs post stupid questions and comments, but I think some people are forgetting what it's like starting. A lot of people were bad with girls because they needed to sort out their life in other ways before being able to contemplate game.

Even after reality continuously hits me in the face with the good advice that is repeated in these forums, removing some limiting beliefs or habits that I have had for over a decade takes time.

I also lost my virginity at 21 and was worried what lack of experience would cost me in potential relationships. So fucking what.

1. Stupid questions and comments by newbs go in the Newbie Section.

2. Yes, newbies have posted stupid questions and comments before, but please show me a newbie that has come in and nearly immediately posted a "data sheet" without any detailed, actionable advice/methods (aka DATA) that wasn't ridiculed and didn't become one of those banned or useless/low rep members? I'm serious. Find me one.

3. ANY newbies that was trying to post such a weak/ridiculous data sheet was laughed off back in the day the same as OP is being laughed off now. It's an insult to the membership.

(01-09-2019 11:07 AM)coffeedrinker Wrote:  Because the fear that you've missed out can be painful and is all relative. Why do some rich people who seem to have it all suicide?

Anyway, OP may be bullshiting but if he is not, the method he has described is somewhat plausible. A person I know got ridiculous amount of bangs after being featured in some tabloids as a model in an EE country and then toured clubs around the country. Girls went after him... He was already a natural so not necessarily the same scenario but if OP has the looks, he may not need a lot of game to achieve what he said he has.

The method he describes is not even remotely plausible because he left out really ANY relevant detail/actionable advice. He just spun a fanciful tale.

So to prove OP is telling the truth you point out a guy who is a complete natural and "not [SIC] the same scenario?"

There was a time when newbies, even those with significant accomplishments and knowledge took the time to acclimate themselves to the forum and learn the lay of the land and make sure they were making a smooth transition into the flow of traffic before hammering the throttle.

It was far better for them AND the forum. That's what you're missing. Many of the most well respected posters on this forum lurked for months and sometimes years before ever registering an account in order to add value. They put in the work before ever asking questions so as not to repeat things that had been covered a hundred times before.

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RE: Data sheet: Losing virginity late and the effect it has on game/relationships
I am going to go with the crowd on this thread and say that OP is bullshitting us, likely writing out an erotic fantasy and trying to come off as a voice of authority.

While I did want to do a thread on this myself given the direction this thread here has gone, I want to say that there is one BIG setback to being a late bloomer which I have experienced myself and bothers me the most socially.

During your adolescence and college days, success typically requires some degree of social value assuming you are not going after warthogs. The social value also benefits you in terms of having a friend circle of some cool friends, great social experiences and those friendships just build up overtime. I have known guys who still go out to bars with wingmen that were their bros in high school and know people from their school days they can accumulate social capital and meet new people through, they grew up in your typical upper middle class lifestyle.

Well here is the issue if you were a late bloomer, you were probably not a socially successful guy either, they go hand in hand. You probably didn't have quality friends, didn't make cool guy friends who can benefit you socially without making you look like a loser in front of others and you don't have a social circle now to really be a part of.

You can always get the sex if you want, just look good and so many tools these days have made it easier.

You may as well also get an LTR you truly enjoy if you really put the time in.

The issue is that compared to the natural or the Chad, you're not going to have as much of a wow factor with your social life. You won't have the top tier bros as your friends who will attend your wedding and a lot of times, this will feel repulsive to higher quality women that are hot and in-demand because they care about your social value. You will have a tougher time getting the big crew you shared memories with because you bloomed late.

In other words, barring some miracle or serious effort, I feel like you are always going to be on the outside looking in which is so frustrating to deal with when you see the kids that peaked early and have higher quality friends.
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RE: Data sheet: Losing virginity late and the effect it has on game/relationships
^^If you’re a top tier dude, women do not give a fuk about how many friends you have.

My buddy in college was as high value as you can get - master of all trades. He was what you would call a sigma male - he had no allegiance to any one group but he bedded the baddest women out there. Granted he had the social propf too, but he never used that to get women. They didn’t know how popular he was.
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(01-09-2019 05:53 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  In other words, barring some miracle or serious effort, I feel like you are always going to be on the outside looking in which is so frustrating to deal with when you see the kids that peaked early and have higher quality friends.

Networking is the most powerful thing in the world. Learn to network, many game concepts/techniques apply, but you'll need to show actual value to people in order to get value in return. There's a lot written here about networking and it's a huge boon to your social and professional life. It doesn't take a miracle, it takes putting yourself out there to successful people and meeting their friends and then from their expanding your network.

By FAR the biggest component of my game is networking. Social/professional proof is incredibly powerful for gaming women as well as gaming life.

There's zero reason a late bloomer shouldn't be able to leverage their knowledge of game/social skills to significantly improve their entire life and we're talking months and years, not decades.

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