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RE: Data sheet: Losing virginity late and the effect it has on game/relationships
(01-09-2019 05:29 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  1. Stupid questions and comments by newbs go in the Newbie Section.

2. Yes, newbies have posted stupid questions and comments before, but please show me a newbie that has come in and nearly immediately posted a "data sheet" without any detailed, actionable advice/methods (aka DATA) that wasn't ridiculed and didn't become one of those banned or useless/low rep members? I'm serious. Find me one.

3. ANY newbies that was trying to post such a weak/ridiculous data sheet was laughed off back in the day the same as OP is being laughed off now. It's an insult to the membership.

The method he describes is not even remotely plausible because he left out really ANY relevant detail/actionable advice. He just spun a fanciful tale.

So to prove OP is telling the truth you point out a guy who is a complete natural and "not [SIC] the same scenario?"

There was a time when newbies, even those with significant accomplishments and knowledge took the time to acclimate themselves to the forum and learn the lay of the land and make sure they were making a smooth transition into the flow of traffic before hammering the throttle.

It was far better for them AND the forum. That's what you're missing. Many of the most well respected posters on this forum lurked for months and sometimes years before ever registering an account in order to add value. They put in the work before ever asking questions so as not to repeat things that had been covered a hundred times before.

I agree with everything you said and will make my posts clearer next time.

My thought was that attacking the idea of someone having insecurities/suicadal thoughts doesn't help? I understand that it was more to show that the whole thing is fake given that it's unlikely for someone to be having suicadal thoughts due to lack of girls in the past when they are currently swimming in pussy. However, this forum has helped so many people get more rational in their thinking which can help them completely turn their life around for the better, not just with girls.
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(01-09-2019 05:53 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  I am going to go with the crowd on this thread and say that OP is bullshitting us, likely writing out an erotic fantasy and trying to come off as a voice of authority.

While I did want to do a thread on this myself given the direction this thread here has gone, I want to say that there is one BIG setback to being a late bloomer which I have experienced myself and bothers me the most socially.

During your adolescence and college days, success typically requires some degree of social value assuming you are not going after warthogs. The social value also benefits you in terms of having a friend circle of some cool friends, great social experiences and those friendships just build up overtime. I have known guys who still go out to bars with wingmen that were their bros in high school and know people from their school days they can accumulate social capital and meet new people through, they grew up in your typical upper middle class lifestyle.

Well here is the issue if you were a late bloomer, you were probably not a socially successful guy either, they go hand in hand. You probably didn't have quality friends, didn't make cool guy friends who can benefit you socially without making you look like a loser in front of others and you don't have a social circle now to really be a part of.

You can always get the sex if you want, just look good and so many tools these days have made it easier.

You may as well also get an LTR you truly enjoy if you really put the time in.

The issue is that compared to the natural or the Chad, you're not going to have as much of a wow factor with your social life. You won't have the top tier bros as your friends who will attend your wedding and a lot of times, this will feel repulsive to higher quality women that are hot and in-demand because they care about your social value. You will have a tougher time getting the big crew you shared memories with because you bloomed late.

In other words, barring some miracle or serious effort, I feel like you are always going to be on the outside looking in which is so frustrating to deal with when you see the kids that peaked early and have higher quality friends.

Even though you think I'm bullshitting I agree what you said about some of the effects of having success later and these are some things I'm trying to figure out how to fix. I feel like I don't have a single person that I would really consider a friend and honestly I haven't been trying to make friends for a long time I just stopped caring about that. I'm still in my early 20s so this is really the last chance age wise I have to make deep bonds.

I feel like familiarity and shared experiences is important for friendship and making bonds with people and the last place this is really possible is probably college. In the "hustling" scene with entrepreneurs, successful and wealthy people I noticed friendship doesn't go to deep. I thought this is what I wanted after high school and to be honest to get were I was now it was a massive fucking grind and money wise I have only seen anything recently so most of the years were just a massive waste.

But still even if I get massively successful were will I end up? I see a lot of these wealthy people and they look miserable. the hustling/entrepreneur crowd is more about money and not that good for making friends even if you're the same age as the other people around you like early 20s everyone that is an entrepreneur at that age is trying to make it and they don't care to much about friendship. After everything that has transpired I want to take things more slow and actually enjoy life probably start college while I'm still in my early 20s and not to old and just enjoy things instead of trying to hustle so hard.
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(01-10-2019 01:24 PM)kadenz Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 05:53 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  I am going to go with the crowd on this thread and say that OP is bullshitting us, likely writing out an erotic fantasy and trying to come off as a voice of authority.

While I did want to do a thread on this myself given the direction this thread here has gone, I want to say that there is one BIG setback to being a late bloomer which I have experienced myself and bothers me the most socially.

During your adolescence and college days, success typically requires some degree of social value assuming you are not going after warthogs. The social value also benefits you in terms of having a friend circle of some cool friends, great social experiences and those friendships just build up overtime. I have known guys who still go out to bars with wingmen that were their bros in high school and know people from their school days they can accumulate social capital and meet new people through, they grew up in your typical upper middle class lifestyle.

Well here is the issue if you were a late bloomer, you were probably not a socially successful guy either, they go hand in hand. You probably didn't have quality friends, didn't make cool guy friends who can benefit you socially without making you look like a loser in front of others and you don't have a social circle now to really be a part of.

You can always get the sex if you want, just look good and so many tools these days have made it easier.

You may as well also get an LTR you truly enjoy if you really put the time in.

The issue is that compared to the natural or the Chad, you're not going to have as much of a wow factor with your social life. You won't have the top tier bros as your friends who will attend your wedding and a lot of times, this will feel repulsive to higher quality women that are hot and in-demand because they care about your social value. You will have a tougher time getting the big crew you shared memories with because you bloomed late.

In other words, barring some miracle or serious effort, I feel like you are always going to be on the outside looking in which is so frustrating to deal with when you see the kids that peaked early and have higher quality friends.

Even though you think I'm bullshitting I agree what you said about some of the effects of having success later and these are some things I'm trying to figure out how to fix. I feel like I don't have a single person that I would really consider a friend and honestly I haven't been trying to make friends for a long time I just stopped caring about that. I'm still in my early 20s so this is really the last chance age wise I have to make deep bonds.

I feel like familiarity and shared experiences is important for friendship and making bonds with people and the last place this is really possible is probably college. In the "hustling" scene with entrepreneurs, successful and wealthy people I noticed friendship doesn't go to deep. I thought this is what I wanted after high school and to be honest to get were I was now it was a massive fucking grind and money wise I have only seen anything recently so most of the years were just a massive waste.

But still even if I get massively successful were will I end up? I see a lot of these wealthy people and they look miserable. the hustling/entrepreneur crowd is more about money and not that good for making friends even if you're the same age as the other people around you like early 20s everyone that is an entrepreneur at that age is trying to make it and they don't care to much about friendship. After everything that has transpired I want to take things more slow and actually enjoy life probably start college while I'm still in my early 20s and not to old and just enjoy things instead of trying to hustle so hard.

You and beer should be great friends. You both can bond over your mutual appreciation for your respective glass-half-empty negativity.

Or maybe you already are "bonded"


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I don't know if OP is bullshiting or not, but this remark made me chuckle:

"If someone just flashed there money to you and bought you shit would you actually love them for that?"

If this was towards a girl, I wouldn't say they would 'love' you, but it's an effective way to ease into her panties. Some even only drop it that way.
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RE: Data sheet: Losing virginity late and the effect it has on game/relationships
(01-10-2019 02:15 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 01:24 PM)kadenz Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 05:53 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  I am going to go with the crowd on this thread and say that OP is bullshitting us, likely writing out an erotic fantasy and trying to come off as a voice of authority.

While I did want to do a thread on this myself given the direction this thread here has gone, I want to say that there is one BIG setback to being a late bloomer which I have experienced myself and bothers me the most socially.

During your adolescence and college days, success typically requires some degree of social value assuming you are not going after warthogs. The social value also benefits you in terms of having a friend circle of some cool friends, great social experiences and those friendships just build up overtime. I have known guys who still go out to bars with wingmen that were their bros in high school and know people from their school days they can accumulate social capital and meet new people through, they grew up in your typical upper middle class lifestyle.

Well here is the issue if you were a late bloomer, you were probably not a socially successful guy either, they go hand in hand. You probably didn't have quality friends, didn't make cool guy friends who can benefit you socially without making you look like a loser in front of others and you don't have a social circle now to really be a part of.

You can always get the sex if you want, just look good and so many tools these days have made it easier.

You may as well also get an LTR you truly enjoy if you really put the time in.

The issue is that compared to the natural or the Chad, you're not going to have as much of a wow factor with your social life. You won't have the top tier bros as your friends who will attend your wedding and a lot of times, this will feel repulsive to higher quality women that are hot and in-demand because they care about your social value. You will have a tougher time getting the big crew you shared memories with because you bloomed late.

In other words, barring some miracle or serious effort, I feel like you are always going to be on the outside looking in which is so frustrating to deal with when you see the kids that peaked early and have higher quality friends.

Even though you think I'm bullshitting I agree what you said about some of the effects of having success later and these are some things I'm trying to figure out how to fix. I feel like I don't have a single person that I would really consider a friend and honestly I haven't been trying to make friends for a long time I just stopped caring about that. I'm still in my early 20s so this is really the last chance age wise I have to make deep bonds.

I feel like familiarity and shared experiences is important for friendship and making bonds with people and the last place this is really possible is probably college. In the "hustling" scene with entrepreneurs, successful and wealthy people I noticed friendship doesn't go to deep. I thought this is what I wanted after high school and to be honest to get were I was now it was a massive fucking grind and money wise I have only seen anything recently so most of the years were just a massive waste.

But still even if I get massively successful were will I end up? I see a lot of these wealthy people and they look miserable. the hustling/entrepreneur crowd is more about money and not that good for making friends even if you're the same age as the other people around you like early 20s everyone that is an entrepreneur at that age is trying to make it and they don't care to much about friendship. After everything that has transpired I want to take things more slow and actually enjoy life probably start college while I'm still in my early 20s and not to old and just enjoy things instead of trying to hustle so hard.

You and beer should be great friends. You both can bond over your mutual appreciation for your respective glass-half-empty negativity.

Or maybe you already are "bonded"


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How does this help him, or anyone for that matter? Regardless of your thoughts about his bullshit-or-not-bullshit story, this is a real human being at the end of the internet cable.

Someone who is struggling.
Someone who has admitted that they don't have a single friend.

Let's put aside the veteran internet smarm and actually try to help.

To kadenz: how is your health insurance? You should call and see about seeing a professional counselor/therapist. Talking to someone that is trained in issues like this CAN be extremely helpful if you are open and honest with them.

You are not going to get sympathy from an internet forum, especially this one.

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Trying to help someone who isnt genuine is a fools errand.
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This has already kinda been done to death here. You go from socially awkward virgin to slaying high quality women at an absurd rate. And your explanation is that you basically became a promoter in the high end club scene. This all requires a whole lot of charisma and social skill, which I'm not seeing in your posts. You're basically saying you went from crawling to running marathons. I myself am a good looking late bloomer who was socially awkward as a teenager. Improving myself and my results has been a long steady process. Yes, I did get a boost in confidence when I lost my virginity, but my social/women skills didn't go to the stratosphere overnight. It just doesn't work that way. If you gave a believable explanation for getting into the club scene, people might be inclined to believe you.

Barring that though: bullshit.

If you are bullshitting, for attention, validation, or whatever, then you are not just wasting the forum's time and energy, you're wasting your own. RVF is an incredible resource for improving yourself. The people here actually want to help. They've spent their time, energy, and expertise helping beginners. And they do it FOR FREE.

See below thread for a great example.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-36769.html

Again, barring a convincing explanation, here is what you should do. Apologize for wasting everyone's time, be honest about yourself, and ask for help. Or just use the forum the way its intended. Yeah, getting attention on the internet stimulates your dopamine receptors. You know what's better? Getting steady, decent quality pussy. You have an unbelievable FREE resource here to help you achieve that. Use it.
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(01-10-2019 04:30 PM)corsega Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 02:15 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(01-10-2019 01:24 PM)kadenz Wrote:  
(01-09-2019 05:53 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  I am going to go with the crowd on this thread and say that OP is bullshitting us, likely writing out an erotic fantasy and trying to come off as a voice of authority.

While I did want to do a thread on this myself given the direction this thread here has gone, I want to say that there is one BIG setback to being a late bloomer which I have experienced myself and bothers me the most socially.

During your adolescence and college days, success typically requires some degree of social value assuming you are not going after warthogs. The social value also benefits you in terms of having a friend circle of some cool friends, great social experiences and those friendships just build up overtime. I have known guys who still go out to bars with wingmen that were their bros in high school and know people from their school days they can accumulate social capital and meet new people through, they grew up in your typical upper middle class lifestyle.

Well here is the issue if you were a late bloomer, you were probably not a socially successful guy either, they go hand in hand. You probably didn't have quality friends, didn't make cool guy friends who can benefit you socially without making you look like a loser in front of others and you don't have a social circle now to really be a part of.

You can always get the sex if you want, just look good and so many tools these days have made it easier.

You may as well also get an LTR you truly enjoy if you really put the time in.

The issue is that compared to the natural or the Chad, you're not going to have as much of a wow factor with your social life. You won't have the top tier bros as your friends who will attend your wedding and a lot of times, this will feel repulsive to higher quality women that are hot and in-demand because they care about your social value. You will have a tougher time getting the big crew you shared memories with because you bloomed late.

In other words, barring some miracle or serious effort, I feel like you are always going to be on the outside looking in which is so frustrating to deal with when you see the kids that peaked early and have higher quality friends.

Even though you think I'm bullshitting I agree what you said about some of the effects of having success later and these are some things I'm trying to figure out how to fix. I feel like I don't have a single person that I would really consider a friend and honestly I haven't been trying to make friends for a long time I just stopped caring about that. I'm still in my early 20s so this is really the last chance age wise I have to make deep bonds.

I feel like familiarity and shared experiences is important for friendship and making bonds with people and the last place this is really possible is probably college. In the "hustling" scene with entrepreneurs, successful and wealthy people I noticed friendship doesn't go to deep. I thought this is what I wanted after high school and to be honest to get were I was now it was a massive fucking grind and money wise I have only seen anything recently so most of the years were just a massive waste.

But still even if I get massively successful were will I end up? I see a lot of these wealthy people and they look miserable. the hustling/entrepreneur crowd is more about money and not that good for making friends even if you're the same age as the other people around you like early 20s everyone that is an entrepreneur at that age is trying to make it and they don't care to much about friendship. After everything that has transpired I want to take things more slow and actually enjoy life probably start college while I'm still in my early 20s and not to old and just enjoy things instead of trying to hustle so hard.

You and beer should be great friends. You both can bond over your mutual appreciation for your respective glass-half-empty negativity.

Or maybe you already are "bonded"


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How does this help him, or anyone for that matter? Regardless of your thoughts about his bullshit-or-not-bullshit story, this is a real human being at the end of the internet cable.

Someone who is struggling.
Someone who has admitted that they don't have a single friend.

Let's put aside the veteran internet smarm and actually try to help.

To kadenz: how is your health insurance? You should call and see about seeing a professional counselor/therapist. Talking to someone that is trained in issues like this CAN be extremely helpful if you are open and honest with them.

You are not going to get sympathy from an internet forum, especially this one.

In the nearly 5 years since I joined this forum I have spent countless hours dishing out advice to countless noobs who've posted sincere questions. Its the fakester chodes like this guy that make it hard on other real newbies to get passed the RVF BS detectors.

This guy "kadenz" is full of shit and very likely "a beer is enough"'s sock puppet account (created so he ,ABIE, doesn't ripped for starting another negative BS thread). The writing styles even match

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RE: Data sheet: Losing virginity late and the effect it has on game/relationships
If nothing else, this thread has provided immense value already in pointing me towards the zebra thread and the shit throwing thread. Amazing.

You say you "fixed your teeth". I'm no orthodontist, but unless OP had some new procedure I'm not hip to that means you had braces. Braces usually stay on for at least two years. Did all this happen before or after the first lay? Maybe you were plowing the poons of all these IG 8s with a mouth full of metal. I don't know. Maybe you had Invisalign?

Seriously though, I was a late bloomer too and I remember thinking about how to handle it when I first had sex. What did I do?

Nothing. It never came up. It was the end of college and we dated for some months after during which time she told me she'd had two prior boyfriends. It was implicit in these conversations that she liked the first guy a bit, the second guy a bit more, and me much more. And we kept having sex. The issue of my past was never discussed and she never found out I hadn't had sex before. I'd seen more than enough videotape porn to know how it sorta works.

Girls love to talk about themselves. It's good to to listen sometimes. You don't need to talk too much.

Now here's the kicker for any hopeful newb reading this who actually wants something useful out of this thread:

Your penis doesn't have a stamp on it that says "virgin" that stays there and then magically disappears upon insertion into a vagina. And if a girl is about to fuck you she's generally assuming you're higher value than her, which means in her mind you've probably fucked before. There's nothing to worry about in this scenario. Play it cool. Just stay quiet and keep going. She's probably nervous about queefing anyway.

If you have trouble finding the hole and getting it in, fret not. She'll probably guide it in herself. If not, she's probably just tense and needs to relax a bit more, or has a tight vagina opening. It happens. Use your fingers and/or lube.
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Weak testament to the Game forum quality, not only has this been posted, but sadly it's also the most active thread.
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OP, what city are you in? Maybe there is a forum member willing to meet you for a drink and we can at least see if you're legit.

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^ Good idea

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RE: Data sheet: Losing virginity late and the effect it has on game/relationships
I lost my virginity at 20, to an LTR, had a massive inferiority complex prior to that. I still feel the vestiges of it, but at least now I have a healthy attitude towards sex. I think all people need to have this healthy attitude, of course it is bad for women to be promiscuous, but they desire sex too, albeit at a lesser level than men.

I grew up in a heavily religious christian environment, and it stunted my development a lot. Honestly I don't care if the girl has been with 10 guys or whatever, but when I end up in another LTR, I will in fact care, and very much so. Men can be very impulsive or risk taking at times, but with women it's even worse. They dedicate themselves 110 percent to being sluts or doing shittons of drugs, but maybe that's a function of some sort of Pareto Distribution for women.

If OP is in fact being genuine, I'd just tell him to work out, and try to get out of his head.
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Between 100 bangs in a year and 30 white knights in a club, I'm wondering if I should check out some industrial shithole and find out for myself where all these experiences are coming from.
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(01-10-2019 04:30 PM)corsega Wrote:  How does this help him, or anyone for that matter? Regardless of your thoughts about his bullshit-or-not-bullshit story, this is a real human being at the end of the internet cable.

Someone who is struggling.
Someone who has admitted that they don't have a single friend.

Let's put aside the veteran internet smarm and actually try to help.

To kadenz: how is your health insurance? You should call and see about seeing a professional counselor/therapist. Talking to someone that is trained in issues like this CAN be extremely helpful if you are open and honest with them.

You are not going to get sympathy from an internet forum, especially this one.

I'll answer your question. There's a right way to ask questions and a wrong way. Then there's trolling. Sincere noobs see this thread and immediately know to not come in guns blazing or with outlandish claims. No one's gonna dog you for having slept with only a few girls or no girls at all.

This guy's post has a lot of indicators of being a clear troll, whether he's trolling intentionally or delusional doesn't matter. The best trolling is where it straddles the line between plausible and not plausible enough where anyone who wants to give the guy the benefit of the doubt can and will. But enough guys on here have been no-game, socially mal-adjusted nerds long enough before they started getting pussy that it's easy to recognize thoughts people just wouldn't have at that stage.

Why are you choosing this hill to die on man?

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