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Data sheet: Losing virginity late and the effect it has on game/relationships
So I lost my virginity at 21 years old. I could have definitively lost it earlier but I guess you could say I was a weird kid, girls would approach me when I was in my early/mid teens but I would turn them down honestly I just hated everyone around me at that stage in my life and was depressed and wanted to die. Around when high school started I started getting less attention then before since I was super poor wearing the same outfit basically all of high school, still depressed, dealing with abusive family, fucked up teeth, living in the boonies just all my shit was fucked up. I'm actually very attractive face wise but there was to many things I was depressed about and to many things that were actually holding me back. But even at this stage some girls still approached me but more rarely then before yet I stilled turned down those that showed some interest.

I always felt like to be with a girl I needed to be perfect and not poor, fucked up teeth bad logistics etc. while these things definitely harmed me I just needed forget about my insecurities and at least go for it. I also wanted to find a girl that I actually cared about and lose my virginity to her which would be nice but you shouldn't wait forever for that. I just disliked most people in general including the girls I was around but I still wanted a relationship with someone I cared about. This resulted in me ending in a weird situation I was now 21 and a virgin if I get in a relationship with a girl and she knows that it would definitely be a big turn off for her to know I lost mine at 21 she would look down on me.

So first off I decided to finally just and have sex even if I don't care deeply for the girl or if my insecurities still haven't been fixed, I lost my virginity at 21. But I felt like I needed a very high body count to offset having lost my virginity at 21 so my future LTR wouldn't look down on me this was really my main motivation, I didn't want to have sex with a lot of girls well I did but my main motivation was so my LTR wouldn't look down on me.

I had sex with over 100 girls in less then a year. And I wasn't just fucking anyone I was fucking a lot of high quality girls (looks wise). I was around the insta model scene for a bit and hung out with some of those "aspiring models" I wasn't really around them in any real official capacity we just chilled since we were around the same age and it was all in good fun. I'd say all the girls I fucked were 7+ and the majority were 8+.

The main reason why I went down this path is because I didn't want my future LTR to look down on me for less experience. I felt like a big body count would offset the fact I lost my virginity at 21. Another thing I get depressed about is I never had any relationships or sex in my teen years and that gets me very depressed a lot of the time makes me almost want to kill myself if I'm honest. So I guess while I'm still young I want to experience as much as possible.

I saw Roosh talk about how he lost his virginity at 22 and how lately no that he's 39 he sees that he did a lot of this game because he missed out when he was younger and now he's looking for more of an LTR I think. I feel like this is a prevalent feeling in the community and even society in general now with the rise of incels. I don't want to dwell to much on missing out in my teens but sometimes that loss really fucks with me mentally and I want to know how to deal with it better? I think I could potentially enter into an LTR now since I have had a high number of girls and I wouldn't be inexperienced or looked down for losing my virginity late. I just felt like I couldn't even attempt that until I had a high body count, but I want to hear your guys thoughts on my line of thinking and if I'm right or if you have another take on things?
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(01-08-2019 01:06 PM)kadenz Wrote:  I had sex with over 100 girls in less then a year. And I wasn't just fucking anyone I was fucking a lot of high quality girls (looks wise). I was around the insta model scene for a bit and hung out with some of those "aspiring models" I wasn't really around them in any real official capacity we just chilled since we were around the same age and it was all in good fun. I'd say all the girls I fucked were 7+ and the majority were 8+.


Dude claims he's a virgin until age 21...then suddenly is able to bang 100 girls in less than a year.


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Explained my thought process and what I was going through if you think I'm lying good for you.
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(01-08-2019 01:18 PM)Caduceus Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 01:06 PM)kadenz Wrote:  I had sex with over 100 girls in less then a year. And I wasn't just fucking anyone I was fucking a lot of high quality girls (looks wise). I was around the insta model scene for a bit and hung out with some of those "aspiring models" I wasn't really around them in any real official capacity we just chilled since we were around the same age and it was all in good fun. I'd say all the girls I fucked were 7+ and the majority were 8+.


Dude claims he's a virgin until age 21...then suddenly is able to bang 100 girls in less than a year.


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Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit "bullshit detector".

I hate seeing valuable threads ruined by some idiot out of the woodwork calling bullshit on a post for no apparent reason.

kadenz, you might read my story of how I lost my virginity and got into Game. Like you, I lost my virginity late, but it was by choice. Like you, I was able to suddenly "switch it on" and bang a bunch of girls very fast.

Unlike you, I experience no self-hate and depression because of this. In fact, I'm glad that I waited until age 24.

Maybe you can take something away from this story.

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As someone who considers his game very good, and has quite a few notable notches to show for it, I find it slightly implausible that you'd go from 0-100 in the inside of a year.

Regardless, I'm going to extend you the benefit of the doubt. I believe radical change is possible if you're living and breathing game. I'm interested to know how you slept with so many "high quality" women so quickly? Speaking on behalf of myself, and the guys I know that have tight game, great logistics, and good looks, even meeting 100 8s in a year rarely happens.

If you want to avoid other guys calling you out, please detail your methods so other guys in your position can learn from you. Right now this just talks about your feelings, and lacks the data we'd need to call it a datasheet. Right now it just reeks of you trying to boost your own ego.

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I understand the questionability of 100 girls in 1 year, that's like a girl every 3 days. It's hard to believe unless you've literally dedicated your life to eat sleep fuck repeat which 99.99% of people can't afford to waste time on. Now on top of that 7s and 8s every 3 days, models out of a sudden, now that's when it gets questionable for me. 100+ is a number even some veterans haven't even hit yet, it's a small fraction % of men in the world with such body count. This is shit taken straight from a movie, going from the virgin loser to fucking half the high school. Funny read though.

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It's really rushing to judgement to call bullshit on a story like this. Many guys got into the game because they were late to get into success, or relationships with women. Too many manosphere/ PUA guys to name in fact. For many, they had a burning desire to overcome their obstacles and succeed with women. That is the exact reason, in fact, why they turn to game and go about methodically improving their circumstances. Once many dudes have success applying game (especially late bloomers) they're amazed it actually works, and make an effort to catch up with their peers (average age of virginity loss is like 18 in the US for men I think) who started in high school, or accumulated a lot of notches during the college years. When you live in a society that calls men out for low notch counts or late loss of virginity, oftentimes its not the women doing it, but the men doing it first. Ultimately that's counterproductive in an environment that's supposed to be conducive to men improving their lives and their game. Everyone starts at 0.

100 sounds a bit high for a year, but perhaps we're not getting the whole story.
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Lost my virginity at age 20. I don’t know if gave me more of a “hunger” or made me appreciate sex and the process of getting it more but I definitely racked up the notches after the fact. I guess since I felt like I was “behind” a lot of my peers sexually it made me analytical in getting laid which led me to the manoshere. I definitely pull more than most guys I know outside of my immediate friend group
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(01-08-2019 02:33 PM)corsega Wrote:  Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit "bullshit detector".

I hate seeing valuable threads ruined by some idiot out of the woodwork calling bullshit on a post for no apparent reason.

kadenz, you might read my story of how I lost my virginity and got into Game. Like you, I lost my virginity late, but it was by choice. Like you, I was able to suddenly "switch it on" and bang a bunch of girls very fast.

Unlike you, I experience no self-hate and depression because of this. In fact, I'm glad that I waited until age 24.

Maybe you can take something away from this story.

While the guy you're talking about calling bullshit is on my ignore list, did you look at some of the utter bullshit the OP has posted? Here's a prime example. Some guy supposedly having banged 100+ 8s and above in a year asking this kind of question stinks to high heaven:

(12-10-2018 03:21 PM)kadenz Wrote:  Do you guys consider a girl touching your hair as an ioi or kind of offensive and how do you play it? I used to find it more offensive when I was younger but now I don't really care as much just depends on how hot the girl is. I have a kind of fine line with stuff like this since I grew up in a more racist area but now I see it more as an easy in with certain girls.

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(01-08-2019 02:33 PM)corsega Wrote:  Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit "bullshit detector".

I hate seeing valuable threads ruined by some idiot out of the woodwork calling bullshit on a post for no apparent reason.

kadenz, you might read my story of how I lost my virginity and got into Game. Like you, I lost my virginity late, but it was by choice. Like you, I was able to suddenly "switch it on" and bang a bunch of girls very fast.

Unlike you, I experience no self-hate and depression because of this. In fact, I'm glad that I waited until age 24.

Maybe you can take something away from this story.

While the guy you're talking about calling bullshit is on my ignore list, did you look at some of the utter bullshit the OP has posted? Here's a prime example. Some guy supposedly having banged 100+ 8s and above in a year asking this kind of question stinks to high heaven:

(12-10-2018 03:21 PM)kadenz Wrote:  Do you guys consider a girl touching your hair as an ioi or kind of offensive and how do you play it? I used to find it more offensive when I was younger but now I don't really care as much just depends on how hot the girl is. I have a kind of fine line with stuff like this since I grew up in a more racist area but now I see it more as an easy in with certain girls.

How is that utter bullshit?

Many black people find others touching their hair to be offensive. This is a very common trope in popular culture:
https://www.google.com/search?client=fir...ch+my+hair

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(01-08-2019 02:53 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  It's really rushing to judgement to call bullshit on a story like this. Many guys got into the game because they were late to get into success, or relationships with women. Too many manosphere/ PUA guys to name in fact. For many, they had a burning desire to overcome their obstacles and succeed with women. That is the exact reason, in fact, why they turn to game and go about methodically improving their circumstances. Once many dudes have success applying game (especially late bloomers) they're amazed it actually works, and make an effort to catch up with their peers (average age of virginity loss is like 18 in the US for men I think) who started in high school, or accumulated a lot of notches during the college years. When you live in a society that calls men out for low notch counts or late loss of virginity, oftentimes its not the women doing it, but the men doing it first. Ultimately that's counterproductive in an environment that's supposed to be conducive to men improving their lives and their game. Everyone starts at 0.

100 sounds a bit high for a year, but perhaps we're not getting the whole story.

A claim of 100 quality girls in a year would draw suspicion from just about anybody, regardless of circumstances.
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Camp bullshit here. I’ve had it with low post count newbies, their dumb questions and their humble brags recently.

OP is a humble brag, a whinge and dumb questions all in one. Hardly a data sheet.

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Corsega, the rule is simple...extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I know a few guys in triple digits. None of them get close to that in a year because that requires the trifecta of good looks, money, and spare time. In other words, having value to offer, while making game a full time job. (And on top of that, you'd likely need to drop your personal standards as well.)

Unless OP provides more detail into, I call bullshit as well. Why? The "fuck funnel" tells me so.

I'll use some back of the napkin examples. I'll try to keep them conservative to highlight the absurdity.

Let's get to work:

1. Given a standard "fuck funnel", it's safe to say you're getting at least five phone numbers for every bang, and not more than one girl in two will give you a number. How and where do you meet a thousand sevens and eights? I don't care if you're a towel boy in a LA swinger club, you're not converting that many leads in a single year without getting called out.

2. How does OP fund so many first dates, on top of second dates, etc. Standard numbers are 2-3 first dates for every bang, so 300 coffee dates is about $3k. A few drinks are another $2k at your local dive bar. That's low budget dating...you could easily drop 3-10x per bang. Remember, he went from being "super poor" and "living in the boonies" (direct quotes) to fucking a round hundred girls.

And OP isn't rich. I can tell because either he has no attention to detail, or can't afford a keyboard with functioning punctuation keys.

And not old enough to have a career with both sufficient discretionary income and free time.

3. Same thing, now with time. 100 bangs and 300+ first dates means at least 500 hours on dates, assuming your conversion is fantastic. Add to that going out to game (remember, you're talking to around 10 girls to get one bang due to attrition through the funnel). 1000 girls x 20 min each = another 300+ hours. Together with commuting time, etc...call it 1000 hours, which is 20 hours a week. Just being conservative again, that's a part time job.

You'd be lucky to average just 20 minutes per girl for a phone number even somewhere as dense as Manhattan. (between sets, online messaging if you're on Tinder, etc.) And dense areas mean you need to have a good job. See above.

4. Next, how does OP lay 100 Instagram model 7s and 8s if he's starting with fucked up teeth, etc? He mentions being "facially attractive", but speaks to fucked up social skills earlier on, psychological issues galore, and a history of being a loner. No talk of having a social circle or being a bodybuilder, promoter, millionaire, or coke dealer. To lay 7s and 8s by the dozen, you need value.

5. Is OP traveling abroad and taking advantage of the White God Factor? Still, even our greatest guys like Fisto and THC take more than a month of travel to SEA to net 50 bangs, going out full time, doing online game, the works, with maximized SMV. And travel means having money. See above.

6. Can we get some representative pictures of sevens and eights from the OP? Similar to the girls you've fucked but not anyone you actually know. I'm assuming he's more lax with handing out 8s than the average guy here.

7. Online only, in SEA, with exceptional looks, fucking mediocre girls? Possible. Still doesn't address the money question. And that's not considering pay for play.

8. The highest number I'm aware of in a single year that I believe is a popular manosphere blogger in the NYC area, who went from 0 to about 60 in a year. He also started out value that let him cash in his chips overnight. A couple of other forum members I personally know hit as high as 60 per year. They also have lots of value, are pros at online dating with extremely high conversions, and do a few first dates a week.

The only guys who claim triple digit numbers in a single year are oddballs like JMULV, and Krauser has done a thorough takedown of him.

There are no "overnight sensations" that don't start out with having plenty of value beneath the surface. Based on his post, doesn't seem to be the case.

9. Finally...fucking 100 girls in a year, even if true, would mean you're not seeing any of these girls more than once or twice. Even though they're hot, at least some of them are smart, are great in the sack, make great LTR material, rich enough to buy you dinner, the works.

Which is a sign of deeper psychological issues.

10. I've said enough.

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(01-08-2019 03:57 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 02:53 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  It's really rushing to judgement to call bullshit on a story like this. Many guys got into the game because they were late to get into success, or relationships with women. Too many manosphere/ PUA guys to name in fact. For many, they had a burning desire to overcome their obstacles and succeed with women. That is the exact reason, in fact, why they turn to game and go about methodically improving their circumstances. Once many dudes have success applying game (especially late bloomers) they're amazed it actually works, and make an effort to catch up with their peers (average age of virginity loss is like 18 in the US for men I think) who started in high school, or accumulated a lot of notches during the college years. When you live in a society that calls men out for low notch counts or late loss of virginity, oftentimes its not the women doing it, but the men doing it first. Ultimately that's counterproductive in an environment that's supposed to be conducive to men improving their lives and their game. Everyone starts at 0.

100 sounds a bit high for a year, but perhaps we're not getting the whole story.

A claim of 100 quality girls in a year would draw suspicion from just about anybody, regardless of circumstances.

I understand that. But if you don't believe him, the thread probably isn't gonna do much for you anyway...

If the dude got himself into nightlife/ table service, and instagram game, the results multiply because of perceived high status and access to loose women in these environments. When you start talking about nightlife, it's not just alcohol involved... Who knows what's possible if you have the right connections. I'd wager it's a hell of a lot easier than daygame or Tinder.
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(01-08-2019 03:40 PM)corsega Wrote:  How is that utter bullshit?

Many black people find others touching their hair to be offensive. This is a very common trope in popular culture:
https://www.google.com/search?client=fir...ch+my+hair

You're the one making it a black people thing. Yes, it's posted in the black man game thread, but that doesn't immediately make it irrelevant as an example. If you read further in the thread (which is an awesome thread for game regardless of your race) people ask him if it is only when styled a certain way and the OP says that no it doesn't matter whether it's cut short, or any other style. Leads me to believe it's less about his race/hair and more about his lack of awareness that in nearly ALL situations touching someone's hair (even if they're black/have unique hair texture) is seen as an indicator of interest, or at worst neutral.

I posted that example to show how the guy's claims are outlandish versus his social/game awareness. There are other examples I'm happy to dig up for you, but I'd rather the rest of you read his other posts and make up your own mind based on his posts, not based on any bias (you yourself said it's believable not based on his overall merit just because you experienced something similar and essentially that's why you think it's the truth).

As others have pointed out this is not a data sheet. Maybe he's real, but I doubt it and pointing out flaws in someone's posts or being reasonably skeptical does not equate to being a hater or whatever you think I am being.

(01-08-2019 04:52 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  I understand that. But if you don't believe him, the thread probably isn't gonna do much for you anyway...

If the dude got himself into nightlife/ table service, and instagram game, the results multiply because of perceived high status and access to loose women in these environments. When you start talking about nightlife, it's not just alcohol involved... Who knows what's possible if you have the right connections. I'd wager it's a hell of a lot easier than daygame or Tinder.

And you. He mentioned instagram models. He said zero about nightlife, table service, etc...

Could that be part of it? Sure. Did he mention it? No.

You're making assumptions based on your bias.

It's a lofty claim requiring far more than "oh I got into the instagram model scene" to be credible or even likely.

If the dudes legit, GREAT. We can all learn a lot, but you're not going to learn jack shit from his "data sheet" which doesn't lay out how to accomplish what he did really at all.

Many of you have gone soft on newbies since Tuthmosis left. Roosh is too busy to deal with all of these trolls so calling them out when there's big gaping holes in their posts is important for the signal to noise ratio of the forum.

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Why is it so many people on this forum who just joined have 100 plus notches and earn 6 figures?
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RE: Data sheet: Losing virginity late and the effect it has on game/relationships
In addition to the numbers being DiCaprio-esque there's this:


(01-08-2019 01:06 PM)kadenz Wrote:  The main reason why I went down this path is because I didn't want my future LTR to look down on me for less experience. I felt like a big body count would offset the fact I lost my virginity at 21. Another thing I get depressed about is I never had any relationships or sex in my teen years and that gets me very depressed a lot of the time makes me almost want to kill myself if I'm honest. So I guess while I'm still young I want to experience as much as possible.



Only an incel would give thought to what some future hypothetical LTR would think of his lack of experience.

And what kind of neuroses does it take to get suicidal about the pussy you didn't used to get now that youre swimming in vaginas?


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RE: Data sheet: Losing virginity late and the effect it has on game/relationships
The simple troll tell for me is just that he writes like an autist
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RE: Data sheet: Losing virginity late and the effect it has on game/relationships
(01-08-2019 04:30 PM)polar Wrote:  Corsega, the rule is simple...extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I know a few guys in triple digits. None of them get close to that in a year because that requires the trifecta of good looks, money, and spare time. In other words, having value to offer. (And on top of that, you'd likely need to drop your personal standards as well.)

Unless OP provides more detail into, I call bullshit as well. Why? The "fuck funnel" tells me so.

I'll use some back of the napkin examples. I'll try to keep them conservative to highlight the absurdity.

Let's get to work:

1. Given a standard "fuck funnel", it's safe to say you're getting at least five phone numbers for every bang, and not more than one girl in two will give you a number. How and where do you meet a thousand sevens and eights? I don't care if you're a towel boy in a LA swinger club, you're not converting that many leads in a single year without getting called out.

2. How does OP fund so many first dates, on top of second dates, etc. Standard numbers are 2-3 first dates for every bang, so 300 coffee dates is about $3k. A few drinks are another $2k at your local dive bar. That's low budget dating...you could easily drop 3-10x per bang. Remember, he went from being "super poor" and "living in the boonies" (direct quotes) to fucking a round hundred girls.

And OP isn't rich. I can tell because either he has no attention to detail, or can't afford a keyboard with functioning punctuation keys.

And not old enough to have a career with both sufficient discretionary income and free time.

3. Same thing, now with time. 100 bangs and 300+ first dates means at least 500 hours on dates, assuming your conversion is fantastic. Add to that going out to game (remember, you're talking to around 10 girls to get one bang due to attrition through the funnel). 1000 girls x 20 min each = another 300+ hours. Together with commuting time, etc...call it 1000 hours, which is 20 hours a week. Just being conservative again, that's a part time job.

You'd be lucky to average just 20 minutes per girl even somewhere as dense as Manhattan. And dense areas mean you need to have a good job. See above.

4. Next, how does OP lay 100 Instagram model 7s and 8s if he's starting with fucked up teeth, etc? He mentions being "facially attractive", but speaks to fucked up social skills earlier on, psychological issues galore, and a history of being a loner. No talk of having a social circle or being a bodybuilder, promoter, millionaire, or coke dealer. To lay 7s and 8s by the dozen, you need value.

5. Is OP traveling abroad and taking advantage of the White God Factor? Still, even our greatest guys like Fisto and THC take more than a month of travel to SEA to net 50 bangs, going out full time, doing online game, the works, with maximized SMV. And travel means having money. See above.

6. Can we get some representative pictures of sevens and eights from the OP? Similar to the girls you've fucked but not anyone you actually know. I'm assuming he's more lax with handing out 8s than the average guy here.

7. Online only, in SEA, with exceptional looks, fucking mediocre girls? Possible. Still doesn't address the money question. And that's not considering pay for play.

8. The highest number I'm aware of in a single year that I believe is a popular manosphere blogger in the NYC area, who went from 0 to about 60 in a year. HE also started out value that let him cash in his chips overnight. The only guys who claim triple digit numbers in a single year are oddballs like JMULV, and Krauser has done a thorough takedown of him.

There are no "overnight sensations" that don't start out with having plenty of value beneath the surface. Based on his post, doesn't seem to be the case.

9. Finally...fucking 100 girls in a year, even if true, would mean you're not seeing any of these girls more than once or twice. Even though they're hot, at least some of them are smart, are great in the sack, make great LTR material, rich enough to buy you dinner, the works.

Which is a sign of deeper psychological issues.

10. I've said enough.

VERDICT: grade A fertilizer, barring extraordinary evidence.

For questions 1,2 and 3.

You're looking at this all wrong don't think in terms of dates and approaching women individually in high numbers and grinding. I mainly stick to areas were girls are in abundance sometimes in groups and were I can provide things other men can't.

So there is a group of 5 girls trying to break into modeling/acting. A lot of guys try to show off with their money and basically try to buy sex from these girls. Even though these guys have money the girls look at these guys as lame at the end of the day these guys don't elicit any real feeling of love or fun from the girls. If someone just flashed there money to you and bought you shit would you actually love them for that?

So basically what I do is more so show the girls how to play on these guys weakness. Get the girls to invite the guys and all the guys friends to the club and make these guys think they are going to have some crazy orgy at the end. A couple thousand can easily be spent in one night by these guys on things like VIP and bottle service and sometimes much much more. The club gets a cut, I get a cut and so do the girls. There is a never ending amount of thirsty men so there is always money to be made. even when these guys get ignored at the end of the night and they get no pussy it's just regular for a lot of them. So many retarded men spend thousands of dollars clubbing and I never understood it, they instagram themselves in the club like they're having the best time and like they are getting pussy how many guys do you know like this?

A lot of girls are very hot but some of them sometimes have to do a lot of demeaning things to try and make it in the world. Once I show them how to kind of "finesse" things and not have to do anything they regret that is something that sets me apart. I'm not someone rich older guy they see as predatory, we're around the same age and kind of see each other as partners in business and also friends if that makes sense.

So after we're done at the club we go home together and ignore the other guys we made money off of. Instead of those other p4p guys getting anything I have sex with 4 of the 5 girls because my angle is completely different from them. I never try to buy anybody. I more so chase a fun time/money and I look at girls as friends/business partners not people I try to buy or impress with bullshit.

This isn't the only way I get girls and it's not the only kind of girls I fuck but it's an example of how I can fuck a lot of hot girls in a short amount of time.

And on your 3rd point about the money in these instances I'm not really spending anything we're actually making money so it's a couple birds in one stone.

4. Yeah I have fucked up teeth, some of the first girls I fucked were before I got them fixed because I realized I needed to stop focusing on my insecurities. But once I started getting my teeth fixed it did give me much more confidence and the ability to go for situations I wouldn't have otherwise and resulted in me picking up a lot of speed. And I guess I talked about about my value above.

5. I'm black and I do travel a bit.

6. I'd say the girl is maybe an 8.5
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqmCGVGFILd/...hare_sheet

9. This is one point of yours that I will agree with, I should focus more on some individual girls that I've met but honestly I just felt insecure losing my virginity at 21 like I had to no matter what get a high body count to offset losing my virginity at 21. And now that and almost got a comically high body count in a certain period of time I feel like now I might get into an LTR and I same "safe" to do so.
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RE: Data sheet: Losing virginity late and the effect it has on game/relationships
Ive been accused of trolling a few times on this forum and have offered to verify my claims at least twice. As someone who’s been victimized by the troll police even I have to admit this extremely farfetched.

I lost my virginity relatively late too and consider myself pretty successful with women, but the degree to which you turned your life around is unrealistically remarkable. I mean you are talking the kinda numbers only Trevor Lawrence can probably do and he’s a god damn national championship starting quarterback
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RE: Data sheet: Losing virginity late and the effect it has on game/relationships
(01-08-2019 03:14 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  
(01-08-2019 02:33 PM)corsega Wrote:  Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit "bullshit detector".

I hate seeing valuable threads ruined by some idiot out of the woodwork calling bullshit on a post for no apparent reason.

kadenz, you might read my story of how I lost my virginity and got into Game. Like you, I lost my virginity late, but it was by choice. Like you, I was able to suddenly "switch it on" and bang a bunch of girls very fast.

Unlike you, I experience no self-hate and depression because of this. In fact, I'm glad that I waited until age 24.

Maybe you can take something away from this story.

While the guy you're talking about calling bullshit is on my ignore list, did you look at some of the utter bullshit the OP has posted? Here's a prime example. Some guy supposedly having banged 100+ 8s and above in a year asking this kind of question stinks to high heaven:

(12-10-2018 03:21 PM)kadenz Wrote:  Do you guys consider a girl touching your hair as an ioi or kind of offensive and how do you play it? I used to find it more offensive when I was younger but now I don't really care as much just depends on how hot the girl is. I have a kind of fine line with stuff like this since I grew up in a more racist area but now I see it more as an easy in with certain girls.

Don't want to make any assumptions but are you black? If you're not then it might be hard for you to understand how people touching my hair can kind of be seen as racist and make me uncomfortable sometimes especially since I grew up in a racist area. But like I said sometimes I can see it as a positive if the girl is hot enough and it leads to other things. But if it's just some person coming up to me touching my hair like I'm some strange specimen that is what can annoy me.
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RE: Data sheet: Losing virginity late and the effect it has on game/relationships
(01-08-2019 02:33 PM)corsega Wrote:  Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit "bullshit detector".

I hate seeing valuable threads ruined by some idiot out of the woodwork calling bullshit on a post for no apparent reason.

kadenz, you might read my story of how I lost my virginity and got into Game. Like you, I lost my virginity late, but it was by choice. Like you, I was able to suddenly "switch it on" and bang a bunch of girls very fast.

Unlike you, I experience no self-hate and depression because of this. In fact, I'm glad that I waited until age 24.

Maybe you can take something away from this story.

Interesting story we do seem very different but also similar in some ways. I do get depressed over what I missed but in time I guess it just turns into apathy since I can basically get anything now. What I do now is try to live in the present I start to realize memories might not be worth much and it's much better just to have the best time as possible now while I'm still young. And it was my choice to lose it at 21 in a way, since like I said I had some options earlier but not following through might have been my fault. But are you really happy you waited until 24 to lose yours? You don't have any negative thoughts at all on the matter? If so I'm happy that you're happy with how things turned out.
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RE: Data sheet: Losing virginity late and the effect it has on game/relationships
(01-08-2019 05:48 PM)kadenz Wrote:  Don't want to make any assumptions but are you black? If you're not then it might be hard for you to understand how people touching my hair can kind of be seen as racist and make me uncomfortable sometimes especially since I grew up in a racist area.

I would love to know how someone touching your hair is racist.
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RE: Data sheet: Losing virginity late and the effect it has on game/relationships
So:

-OP Loses Virginity at 21
-Bangs 100 girls in said 21 year
-Said 100 girls are 7 & 8 IG Models
-Teaches girls how to play his fellow brother
-Uses said girls to exploit and drain brothers of money.
-Leaves club with said girls and bangs 4 of the 5.
-Plays Captain Save A hoe by not letting them do something "demeaning" or "something they'll regret"
-Touching hair is racist

OP is running IG Bottle Rat Pimp Game and making sure noone touches his hair.

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