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RE: Japan is probably what the west would be without open borders immigration
From my understanding, a Canadian living in Japan, who is not at all worried about the stereotypical concerns for Japan :

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I really admire how well the Japanese run their society and how fiercely they protect their own culture from toxic outside forces.

In Japan from what I understand, the government is paying people to move to the countryside, giving them houses for nothing, and even giving them money to have kids. They understand clearly that they need more solid family units and they need to spread people/economic activity out more. Sometimes when I day dream, I think about moving to some medium size town with great scenery in Japan and living the good life in a civilized society.

In the US by contrast, many state/local governments give illegals generous welfare benefits so they can have massive families with my tax dollars; tax dollars that could be used to support my own future family or fellow Americans. As a veteran who has dealt with the fucked up VA system and who has visited homeless shit covered infested San Francisco, we have PLENTY of things to worry about without illegals around as it is. But the US is filled with people who hate their own culture, hate traditional Americans, and hate themselves (ex: a lot liberal white people; who suffer from manufactured white guilt). Moving to many parts of the US countryside fills me with dread; seeing hollowed-out ghost towns and drug addicts everywhere. And the cities are liberal expensive shit holes; even in many conservative states.

I feel like a foreigner in my own country at times; so much so that I will drive further away from the city when completely un-necessary for shopping just to see Real America... to feel some sense of commonality and community again. But as the years pass, I'm having to drive further and further out; as the parasites breed like rats and move-in from their own fucked up states like California. One day, and I feel that day is coming sooner rather than later, I won't be able to drive further out to get that good feeling back. The road will simply end and that will be that.

I doubt the modern Japanese have ever experience that feeling. And they will never have to probably. I hope for the most part, they never change.
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RE: Japan is probably what the west would be without open borders immigration
Do they have Welfare there?

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(01-10-2019 07:26 AM)redbeard Wrote:  According to this data, Japan's birth rate is actually rebounding, while the US's is still declining.

Fertility rate, total (births per woman)

That's really interesting. Japan's birthrate was above 2.0 as recently as 2007? I'm surprised, but it reinforces the sexlessness of the country in the 2010s. These days, half of those 20-something beauties you see walking around the streets of Tokyo are getting NO sex, and many of them are even virgins. Yes, even many of the dolled up 7s and 8s. Bizarre.

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(01-10-2019 11:25 PM)Pride male Wrote:  Do they have Welfare there?

Very little, and certainly not for migrants. Single mothers and the elderly have some measures to keep them from homelessness, but it's not generous, and there is still stigma attached to getting it. Unemployment benefits are contingent on having had gainful employment for a sufficiently long stretch in the recent past, and cut off after a few months, no exceptions.

Yes it can be cheap to live in Japan outside of the favored zone of Tokyo. But as for migrating there and living frugally, you can't. Maybe if you make like the Nigerians and marry for residency.

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RE: Japan is probably what the west would be without open borders immigration
I don't believe all the shit I hear about Japan. Every expat I know there in large cities say you see lots of kids. They also tell me that on a saturday night the love hotels are booked full. That does not sound like a country full of betas who aren't fucking or having kids.

A little population shrinkage is a good thing for a tiny series of islands. Also, let's be real, the future wars are not gonna require millions of goons. It seems like special forces and intelligence operatives are already becoming the standard of warfare. This is not even to mention drones, computer viruses and all the other nasty shit that modern nations use to subvert eachother.

I'd say Japan is in a solid spot to go in whatever direction they like in the future. Do you guys really think that if the PM started agitating the populace and spreading propaganda that they needed a Japan with tons of young, virile, able-bodied men that we wouldn't see that Japan in 20 years? For every hikikomori loser, there are 20 normal Japanese dudes working and having living an actual life.

You guys can talk about feminism and this is that, but I'm just going to say that it's fundamentally incompatible with these nations like China and Japan where the foundation is uber conservative and masculine.

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RE: Japan is probably what the west would be without open borders immigration
Japan is also what the west would be like without empires.

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(01-11-2019 04:11 AM)Fortis Wrote:  I don't believe all the shit I hear about Japan. Every expat I know there in large cities say you see lots of kids. They also tell me that on a saturday night the love hotels are booked full. That does not sound like a country full of betas who aren't fucking or having kids.

I'd say Japan is in a solid spot to go in whatever direction they like in the future.

The birth rate stats are not fake, and nor are they out of the ordinary compared to other developed nations.

What is happening in Japan is that demographic decline is focused on the countryside and regional areas. Tokyo is still thriving and will be for some time, as it sucks up the last available drops of blood from the rest of the country. I saw projections that Tokyo's population is in the very last years of increase, and will start to decline in the early 2020s. Even then, that decline will be most evident in the outer areas. Of course Shinjuku and Shibuya will still be buzzing in 2040.
But right now Osaka/Kansai is barely holding its own, I think the same for Fukuoka, but most of the country is visibly in a decline which is actually quite depressing in many areas.

So yes obviously if you go to many areas and happen to pass a school or a park there will be loads of kids. Doesn't invalidate the reality though.

It is a tough transition but they will be OK. In the middle of this century I expect Japan to be a place of wonder with a more manageable population size, automation and robotic workforce, low crime and fiercely proud people as they watch the western world in chaos and feel sorry for us poor tourists as we come to gawk at what they have.

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Is there any chance Japan will try to conquer the world like they did in the last century? God help us if they do. They would Nanking the whole world.

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RE: Japan is probably what the west would be without open borders immigration
There is zero chance Japan will try to conquer the world as they have no army, no navy and no military at all as per the conditions of their surrender terms of world war 2. The USA keeps military bases in Japan to protect them.

Ditto for Germany

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(01-12-2019 02:49 AM)eradicator Wrote:  There is zero chance Japan will try to conquer the world as they have no army, no navy and no military at all as per the conditions of their surrender terms of world war 2. The USA keeps military bases in Japan to protect them.

Ditto for Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Self-Defense_Forces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izumo-clas..._destroyer

What you said is more propaganda / fiction than truth.

They now have Aircraft carriers bigger than the ones they had in WW2 and can laucnh F-35s.

Their standing army is also bigger than Ukraine and most countries - even though Japan isn't in a middle of a war nor can anyone threaten them with an invasion.

Japanese are slowly bidding their time until they create another Empire.
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RE: Japan is probably what the west would be without open borders immigration
I watched Lost in Translation, and I think the Japs are harmless people-- it's cute shit, them being diplomatic as fuck, looking nice for the camera, apologetic, bowing, etc... Maybe they are nice people, maybe they aren't...

But, to the topic at hand: Japan is unlike the West, in the sense that they won't let in foreigners... But they're letting in foreigners as of this year... They say (media) that it's the result of poor birthrates, but that's bullshit-- they want young, virile chads from the 2nd/3rd world.
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(01-12-2019 04:08 AM)dharma initiative Wrote:  I watched Lost in Translation, and I think

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(01-12-2019 04:20 AM)RawGod Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 04:08 AM)dharma initiative Wrote:  I watched Lost in Translation, and I think

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My contribution starts in the second paragraph.
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It's no major mystery why Japan is able to protect their culture...

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RE: Japan is probably what the west would be without open borders immigration
Tokyo has ONE immigration office for the whole city of 38 million people. It consists of essentially a single floor, with maybe 8 windows at the busiest counter.

I think it'll be a while before the diversity hordes overcome the country.

(By the way, demographically the people at the immigration office seem to number something like 30% North Asian, 30% South Asian, 25% Black, 20% Arab, and 5% or less white. Very few white people want to go to Japan except for a trip.)

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Very few want to immigrate to Japan because a) it's a difficult language to learn and b) it's a workaholic culture. In the US, many immigrants don't even bother learning English. In fact, they're actively encouraged to continue speaking their language and practice their customs. The other day I was at a Chinese take-out place and the dude started to get an attitude with me because he couldn't understand me. Motherfucker, it's your job to learn the language of this country. You would think it would be easier for them what with the "high IQ" and all.

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(01-12-2019 12:37 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  Very few want to immigrate to Japan because a) it's a difficult language to learn and b) it's a workaholic culture. In the US, many immigrants don't even bother learning English. In fact, they're actively encouraged to continue speaking their language and practice their customs. The other day I was at a Chinese take-out place and the dude started to get an attitude with me because he couldn't understand me. Motherfucker, it's your job to learn the language of this country. You would think it would be easier for them what with the "high IQ" and all.

Their "high IQ" is telling them that there's no point in learning English. What do they care if the natives get mad? It's not like you're gonna do anything about it.

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(01-12-2019 03:42 AM)BaatumMania Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 02:49 AM)eradicator Wrote:  There is zero chance Japan will try to conquer the world as they have no army, no navy and no military at all as per the conditions of their surrender terms of world war 2. The USA keeps military bases in Japan to protect them.

Ditto for Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Self-Defense_Forces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izumo-clas..._destroyer

What you said is more propaganda / fiction than truth.

They now have Aircraft carriers bigger than the ones they had in WW2 and can laucnh F-35s.

Their standing army is also bigger than Ukraine and most countries - even though Japan isn't in a middle of a war nor can anyone threaten them with an invasion.

Japanese are slowly bidding their time until they create another Empire.

No nukes. Japan's militia is sizable, and they are trying to rework their constitution so that they can have a military once again
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphjennin...36e4553c75

They have more of a military than I had thought
https://www.globalfirepower.com/country-...n#airpower

But aren't pursuing a nuclear program. It might take them a week or so if they did.

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(01-12-2019 12:41 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 12:37 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  Very few want to immigrate to Japan because a) it's a difficult language to learn and b) it's a workaholic culture. In the US, many immigrants don't even bother learning English. In fact, they're actively encouraged to continue speaking their language and practice their customs. The other day I was at a Chinese take-out place and the dude started to get an attitude with me because he couldn't understand me. Motherfucker, it's your job to learn the language of this country. You would think it would be easier for them what with the "high IQ" and all.

Their "high IQ" is telling them that there's no point in learning English. What do they care if the natives get mad? It's not like you're gonna do anything about it.

Weird for me to defend it but the wage breakdown doesn't necessarily favor learning English.

A lot of these people can do hardcore blue collar work and make $35,000 a year. If you got connections then they might even squeeze their way into a company like UPS or Fedex with substandard English and make more than that.

Whereas very few jobs in USA pay more than $90,000 except oil field work or high level executive gigs.


BTW the same processes are also at work in Korea (1+ million immigrants and mainly all based out of Incheon, Seoul and Busan). And Japan is kind of following Korea too or so the rumor goes (but they have decades before their real estate market reflects this?).
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(01-12-2019 03:42 AM)BaatumMania Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 02:49 AM)eradicator Wrote:  There is zero chance Japan will try to conquer the world as they have no army, no navy and no military at all as per the conditions of their surrender terms of world war 2. The USA keeps military bases in Japan to protect them.

Ditto for Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Self-Defense_Forces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izumo-clas..._destroyer

What you said is more propaganda / fiction than truth.

They now have Aircraft carriers bigger than the ones they had in WW2 and can laucnh F-35s.

Their standing army is also bigger than Ukraine and most countries - even though Japan isn't in a middle of a war nor can anyone threaten them with an invasion.

Japanese are slowly bidding their time until they create another Empire.


Why. And how do you know?
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(01-13-2019 07:18 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 03:42 AM)BaatumMania Wrote:  
(01-12-2019 02:49 AM)eradicator Wrote:  There is zero chance Japan will try to conquer the world as they have no army, no navy and no military at all as per the conditions of their surrender terms of world war 2. The USA keeps military bases in Japan to protect them.

Ditto for Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Self-Defense_Forces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izumo-clas..._destroyer

What you said is more propaganda / fiction than truth.

They now have Aircraft carriers bigger than the ones they had in WW2 and can laucnh F-35s.

Their standing army is also bigger than Ukraine and most countries - even though Japan isn't in a middle of a war nor can anyone threaten them with an invasion.

Japanese are slowly bidding their time until they create another Empire.


Why. And how do you know?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_w...e_in_Japan

Especially read the 2nd link. Japan committed huge war crimes but has barely talked or even addressed them. Most young people in Japan today are growing without hearing any of it. This seems to be providing an ignorant public who would later accept a Neo Japanese Empire.

https://www.ft.com/content/b598f570-d34c...74db66bcd5


Countries like South Korea are actually building up their navy and it arguably isn't for North Korea (which mainly has antiquated boats) nor China (which is still struggling to figure out aircraft carriers). So at least the South Korean military recognizes that Japan is a bit of a threat to them. Australia and Canada if they had any sense should try to increase their own naval forces in anticipation of Japan's rebuilding.
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What I want to know is how do so many immigrants in the US get papers without speaking a word of English? Is the language requirement totally ignored?

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(01-13-2019 10:16 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  What I want to know is how do so many immigrants in the US get papers without speaking a word of English? Is the language requirement totally ignored?

Wouldn't the vast majority had gotten it through amnesty? At least within the past 40 years.. At least I could see this being true among Hispanic Americans..
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I'm not necessarily talking about illegals. There are a ton of Asians and EE people.

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