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(05-12-2019 01:31 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Every time I end up with a dangerous bloody forest creature in my house that hitched a ride on my firewood I swear I'm just going to build a plant room out in the yard and pipe the heat in from here, then install a tv where the fireplace used to be and simulate the damn thing.

That reminds me I really need to put a screen on my chimney. Every once in a while in the summer I'll hear banging from my wood stove and open it to find a panicked squirrel.
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(05-09-2019 03:25 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  I bet you could get in trouble for a cricket bat in your van at this point.

Yeah, you can. However the saying goes best to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. On the roads here more and more people are being aggressive and confrontational so physical violence isn't so far away.

(05-10-2019 12:37 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  The point is that nobody knows you waved a gun at the bad men. You don't have to announce it on Twitter.

As for getting the license to get the permit to get the license, fuck the authorities. Tell any lie you have to in order to become armed. At this point the worst they can do is reject your application. Hardly the end of the world.

I dont mean on twitter but if a gang or a couple of career burglars take an interest in your home and you have a gun in their face the police will not see the good side of having said gun at hand.

You can get a shotgun license and the police cant deny you except for certain circumstances but you need to be on a register which anoys me.
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(01-10-2019 02:42 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  The example of Venezuela shows that the best tools for prepping are foreign assets, a second passport, and a plane ticket.

Once the SHTF, plane tickets, and money for that matter, will be good for tinder and little else

(I'm not talking about the app)

Vehicle fuels and banks will be amongst the first things to go.

One must anticipate the fallout and have either already migrated to a remote bugout site in advance of the crisis climax,

or else maintained a well-hidden bunker underground that can on a moment's notice be accessed from one's home within regular civilization.

Once all hell has broken loose, if it does, there will be no traveling, at least, not with a destination in mind.

Short of maintaining a well-armed, well-trained militia, and really good logistics, including the stockpiling of fuel,

people will be either marooned in a sea of chaos, or on the run, fleeing for their lives.

Good luck making it very far under those conditions.

That's if the economy totally collapses.

My sense is that the guy with the AK is more likely to die from an accidental discharge

Than he is to ever see civil unrest of the magnitude that this thread contemplates.

For the time being, I'm putting my money on the US government remaining intact to weather any crisis and provide the security for a civilized recovery...

There's something about Washington, DC, that inspires confidence.

Like, the world could really go to shit, but this city would be safer than most thanks to the massive security presence.

But I still think about pursuing residency status in a large country near the north pole with a lot of unused space.

Setting myself up with some livestock and a wood stove...

That would really be the place to hide out.

The US is going to have more floods, wild-fires, and refugees.

We'll see if the system founders, or if it could can handle all that stress.

But it would be pretty boring and lonely out there while you wait for the collapse.

I'll take my chances in society, and if it goes down, I hope my death isn't too painful.

But it's certainly a consideration against living overseas for any stretch of time

Just a thought: would it be safer to live in NATO countries? Then at least my passport is issued by an allied nation when I'm begging for assistance.
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Right now I'm reading about micro-farming, and it sounds like a good way to develop the farming skills you'd want after a collapse while actually making an income in the present. The idea is that you intensively cultivate your backyard (and possibly rent other folks' backyards in exchange for free produce) to grow high price point vegetables for stupid foodies and upscale restaurants.

I'm still suspicious of the income they're claiming though, upwards of 200k on an acre of land. Before I chop all my trees and sell them off as handcrafted artisanal organic firewood I'd like to figure out if this is just bullshit.
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$200 K on an acre sounds like a stretch, however there are a lot of ways to add value to simple products and do well at farmers markets. Carrots to pickled carrots, berries into jams & jellies & etc.

If / when SHTF, if you are far enough away from a city you should do well if you have protection, seeds and access to clean water.

It's important to have a reasonable relationship with your closest neighbors too, in the city I think that could actually be a detriment. When your neighbors know you have food and they are starving, they will come for you. In the country they should be more interested in trading food/goods than killing you for yours.

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I've been experimenting with steaming food for purely culinary reasons but during the process I realised that it's actually a really good cooking solution for survival reasons.

Minimal heat required (if you can boil water you can steam cook).
No smoke and minimum smell-carry.
Minimal water wasted washing cooking utensils.
Probably the highest ratio of sterilisation of germs/parasites vs retention of nutritional value.
Makes food taste nice.

Bamboo steamers start at ten bucks. Stainless Steel ones are not much more. I think it's definitely worth learning to cook via this method.

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Steam also really preserves nutrients well. Although in a pure survival situation if food is scarce it might be best to stick with the one pot never ending soup. Pretty much 100% efficient, although would get extremely boring after a couple weeks. And you need a cinstant source of heat.

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(05-18-2019 07:11 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Minimal heat required (if you can boil water you can steam cook).
No smoke and minimum smell-carry.
Minimal water wasted washing cooking utensils.
Probably the highest ratio of sterilisation of germs/parasites vs retention of nutritional value.
Makes food taste nice.

You can probably add to that list the fact that nobody is going to risk his life to steal your boiled vegetables Wink
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I live in the middle of nowhere, out in the country, and only work in various cities occasionally. I'll be fine. I've got enough ammunition, guns and supplies and well water to treat me decent.

If you live in an urban environment when SHTF you're fukt. No ifs,ands,or asses about it.

The local police in big urban areas will likely enforce curfew and shoot anything that moves afterward.
Idk how you people live in a city around thousands of other people. I like being able to step out on my porch and take a piss without getting the cops called on me.

My nearest neighbor is ~3 miles from me. Banana
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Anyone else following the Grand Solar Minimum? It is affecting our weather and food supplies already and its only just starting.

If you ignore the product placement at the start he gets into the important stuff straight away. This is just one channel I've been following.









Another good channel is Suspicious Observer.

On finances I follow several other channels but this guy Gerald Celente, a NJ wise guy if I ever saw one Laugh is on point with many things.









I wouldn't post these videos in the Trump thread as you might get some of the blind followers calling you a doomer or a cuck. Laugh Cant make a horse drink if you lead it to water.
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I've long since stopped listening to analysts since there's always someone with a convincing data set telling you the world/econony is cooked in 6 months to a year. This creates a real danger of preparing for one thing and getting another.

To my mind it's rather simple. Either the wheels fall off of this shitshow and we're all left in the dark fending for ourselves or the elites maintain control and anyone who's a regular visitor to this forum gets to play partisan or cashes in their voucher for a free trip to camp dissident.

There's a lot of parallels in planning for either so there's no real need to sweat the details. Just get cracking.

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One author surmised humanity has four rational strategies for dealing with eco(nomic/logical) collapse:

Quote:Last One Standing: the path of competition for remaining resources;
Powerdown: the path of cooperation, conservation and sharing;
Waiting for a Magic Elixir: wishful thinking, false hopes, and denial;
Building Lifeboats: the path of community solidarity and preservation.

Powerdown: Options and Actions for a Post-Carbon World
(2004) by Richard Heinberg

"Last One Standing" is the private corporate security strategy: amass as much cash as possible, by whatever means, in order to purchase a massive security service within a corporate fiefdom. The people who find themselves unaffiliated with any of the corporate fiefs will not be protected by their security forces, and so will be extremely vulnerable in a state of civil unrest or political collapse.

"Magic Elixr" is the idea that technology can carry civilization through the crisis (e.g., automation, desalination, hydroponics, fusion power).

"Building lifeboats" is when citizens perform subsistence agriculture in a small-scale, communal format.

"Powerdown" is the author's preferred strategy, which involves mitigating ecological or political collapse using a public policy approach or even just a collective movement to, among other things, reduce the human birth rate.


If I had to pick one, I would go for Magic Elixr.

They say humanity will level out at 9 billion.

That seems to leave enough physical space for us all.

And if technology can water and feed us all, which seems like not a huge stretch

Then civilization can do this.

But if it did go down... there would be a lot of fighting.

It would be better to fight well.

In that case, let's hope that I can weasel my way onto the bottom rung of one of those corporate fiefs.
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(05-18-2019 11:15 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I've long since stopped listening to analysts since there's always someone with a convincing data set telling you the world/econony is cooked in 6 months to a year. This creates a real danger of preparing for one thing and getting another.

To my mind it's rather simple. Either the wheels fall off of this shitshow and we're all left in the dark fending for ourselves or the elites maintain control and anyone who's a regular visitor to this forum gets to play partisan or cashes in their voucher for a free trip to camp dissident.

There's a lot of parallels in planning for either so there's no real need to sweat the details. Just get cracking.

Gerald Celente is and has been on point with many things. He is no messiah and doesn't pretend to be.

No collapse happens without major war or some massive food production downturn. This financial problem is going to make it harder and harder and that is very real and coming to us.

Why do you think so many problems in the economy is being brushed off? Why is Trump so desperate to keep the rates low? Why are people struggling to make ends meet when the economy is said to be roaring?

They said that shit before the big crash in 08 and now the same shit sandwich is being fed to us but to make matters worse the people at the top are lying about it.
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(05-19-2019 07:57 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Why are people struggling to make ends meet when the economy is said to be roaring?

Who are these people struggling to make ends meet? Are they disabled or something?

There are "help wanted" signs like all over the place, man.

The US labor market is really tight right now because there's a shortage of labor with the right skills and education to perform the needed tasks.

So it's more of a workforce competency problem than an economic depression.

How many of these former steel mill workers are going to want to log in to Khan Academy and learn SEO and Wordpress?

Who is really going to make an effort to improve himself?

They could make a decent wage, like all the rest of us do.

But, so it is said, you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

So what are these old dogs supposed to do?

There needs to be a re-animation of that youthful, can-do spirit, like the pioneers had, who went into a dangerous unknown to find opportunity.
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(05-19-2019 07:57 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  ...
They said that shit before the big crash in 08 and now the same shit sandwich is being fed to us but to make matters worse the people at the top are lying about it.

But '08 came and went, and here we still are.

Ten-plus years of "6 months 'til collapse, 12 tops" has given me a healthy disrespect for assuming timelines.

I absolutely believe worse time are ahead, one way or another. But even in a downfall the various governments could hold on for a painfully long time and inflict untold amounts of damage on their way towards total dissolution. They may not collapse at all and instead manage to keep hold of the reins while liquidating their ideological enemies.

I'll say it again. These days prepping is not just for a collapse of the old order. It's also for a continuation of it.

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(05-19-2019 10:15 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
(05-19-2019 07:57 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  ...
They said that shit before the big crash in 08 and now the same shit sandwich is being fed to us but to make matters worse the people at the top are lying about it.

But '08 came and went, and here we still are.

Ten-plus years of "6 months 'til collapse, 12 tops" has given me a healthy disrespect for assuming timelines.

I absolutely believe worse time are ahead, one way or another. But even in a downfall the various governments could hold on for a painfully long time and inflict untold amounts of damage on their way towards total dissolution. They may not collapse at all and instead manage to keep hold of the reins while liquidating their ideological enemies.

I'll say it again. These days prepping is not just for a collapse of the old order. It's also for a continuation of it.

Ofc we're still here. The 08 problem was just to rescue those gamblers at the top who faced no repercussions for their actions and the majority of people were left worse off but hey, those house prices though!

Again you're talking collapse. I am talking major recession as pointed out by the above.

Services in the UK for people who are hard up or require public transport and healthcare have suffered and are still facing more cuts due to this financial destruction on top of the national debt which nobody seems to talk about anymore here.

Inch by inch it is a creeping death. The only answer so far by the likes of Labour? More public spending (debt) to prop up those services. So when the ball gets dropped harder - thanks to compounding interest, its even worse later on.

This is leading to an all powerful state who will find ever more ways to make criminals of innocent people. Prepare all you want but if you get targeted by the government you're toast.
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I wonder where the best spots would be country wise?
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To some extent that depends on both the level of collapse you're anticipating and your own ethnicity. You want to be in an area that's homogenous with people like you to the greatest extent possible. During any time of adversity outsiders are the first to be targeted (even with us. Nobody gave a shit about immigration until jobs started vanishing).

Are you looking at something regional? If so there's no reason you can't be fine camping out in any generic EE/Asia country. Are we talking a World War 3 scenario? EE/Asia doesn't look anywhere near as good and you'd want to be in a stable, neutral country well removed from the US/Russia (of which there are very few at the moment).

Mad Max scenario? Again it's a very different equation and in that situation your best bet is probably going to be in Alaska/Utah/Northern Rockies within the US because those areas have a lot of communities that are more or less self sufficient and cultures that will enable them to thrive, as well as ones that where it will be advantageous to be a white English speaker.
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(05-19-2019 05:21 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  ...
This is leading to an all powerful state who will find ever more ways to make criminals of innocent people. Prepare all you want but if you get targeted by the government you're toast.

It's not always so cut-and-dried.

You keep your ear to the ground by finding out who they're going after and figuring out how close you are on the list.

As times get harder and the elites attempt to siphon off more and more wealth to keep the slavery-machine running black markets will become far more common and the ability to live in the shadows will grow to some extent.

Virtually all of us have had ancestors who had to live through worse, more dangerous times. Still, the sooner you accept what's coming down the line and start making preparation the better your odds and the softer the landing will be. The government is a fuckfest which day by day is being overrun by fat, feckless women and diversity hires. If they send the goons to my place tomorrow, then sure, I'm fucked. But better regimes than this one have tried and failed to crush dissent before.

Just harden up and keep trucking. Make peace with God and make peace with living a life sans luxury and safety.

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