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Many guys said that pickup would be criminalised and I thought it possible but not to this extent. Like Roissy said about modern feminism being about maximising female sexual access and restricting male sexual access, it's become true.

That's not exactly the quote but everyone gets the point - dating apps also serve this same purpose, perhaps opportunistically. Street Attraction was a brilliant channel, especially for younger guys.

Maybe it's a good thing, as people who know this stuff will now have an advantage over those who won't be able to in future. Man, this place predicted it would get so much worse and they were right. God help guys who only have fat 3s to talk to on dating apps when they're male 7s. That's what it has devolved to.

If Eddie and Richard are reading this... you helped many lonely guys get girlfriends etc, and you should be proud of yourselves. "We live in a patriarchy", what a joke. I know this sounds like keyboard posturing, but it would have been very satisfying if Eddie had just headbutted the soy boy infiltrator. At least it would be some payback for ruining a career.

I'm genuinely dismayed, particularly as this weekend I intended to teach a mate the London Daygame Model, and now I'm scared of being either arrested or girls running a mile because of this cultural propoganda. Yeah, that Adi guy or whoever went too far, but as predicted, even approaching is being criminalised.

The irony, as others have pointed to, is Rotherham.

Edit: they do indeed show it works, so it's free advertising in a sense.

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(10-08-2019 10:48 AM)Teedub Wrote:  At least it would be some payback for ruining a career.

I'm not the smartest guy when it comes to this stuff, so maybe someone can tell me as i'm just curious; assuming the channels of these guys get taken down, will they still be able to run a viable business? I know that some of the popular guys (vikingliifestyles, evolutiondaily, jameTusk etc) are making very handsome incomes from their coaching/bootcamps (as well as a side income from their youtube channels being popular - 'pay per view' kind of thing)

Add to that that some of them sell 'products' at maybe $500 per pop and they're doing OK!

A few of them even showed their earnings in their vids (showing their bootcamp sales on paypal, their products, their adsense etc) and they were making like 10k+ per month.

Hell, Kezia Noble charges like 4k for a single weekend and is never short of clients!

However, i'm assuming that surely all of their business come from youtube? How do we think they're gonna be able to carry on without youtube (or insta/FB etc)? they surely won't get anything like the same level of exposure? Arron from evolutionDaily made a somewhat 'panicked' video where he's asking all of his subscribers to give him their emails addresses - I guess a way to not lose his existing fanbase should he get shut down soon, but where would customers come from?

Would this move completely ruin their business? Just slow it down? Not effect it at all??!

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(10-08-2019 01:13 PM)subterfuge Wrote:  
(10-08-2019 10:48 AM)Teedub Wrote:  At least it would be some payback for ruining a career.

I'm not the smartest guy when it comes to this stuff, so maybe someone can tell me as i'm just curious; assuming the channels of these guys get taken down, will they still be able to run a viable business? I know that some of the popular guys (vikingliifestyles, evolutiondaily, jameTusk etc) are making very handsome incomes from their coaching/bootcamps (as well as a side income from their youtube channels being popular - 'pay per view' kind of thing)

Add to that that some of them sell 'products' at maybe $500 per pop and they're doing OK!

A few of them even showed their earnings in their vids (showing their bootcamp sales on paypal, their products, their adsense etc) and they were making like 10k+ per month.

Hell, Kezia Noble charges like 4k for a single weekend and is never short of clients!

However, i'm assuming that surely all of their business come from youtube? How do we think they're gonna be able to carry on without youtube (or insta/FB etc)? they surely won't get anything like the same level of exposure? Arron from evolutionDaily made a somewhat 'panicked' video where he's asking all of his subscribers to give him their emails addresses - I guess a way to not lose his existing fanbase should he get shut down soon, but where would customers come from?

Would this move completely ruin their business? Just slow it down? Not effect it at all??!

It will absolutely affect their business. YouTube I'm sure is an amazing way to market any business. Not to mention Instagram and Facebook (which they still have currently as far as I know, but will be gone soon no doubt). I'm sure they will still be able to survive, but it'll be harder. They're website is still up, and they can upload videos there, but not having YouTube will put a massive dent in their ability to get their branding and message out there and make money. It just shows how fucking precarious it is to put all your eggs in the social media basket these days.

As an aside, why are all the other daygamers followed to still have active accounts? If YouTube thinks Street Attraction is being evil and must go, then why don't they do a search of all the other daygamers on their platform and terminate their accounts too? Obviously I don't want this to happen, just a rhetorical question.
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''If YouTube thinks Street Attraction is being evil and must go, then why don't they do a search of all the other daygamers on their platform and terminate their accounts too?''



Yeah, I don't know. I'm assuming they're getting around too it, tbh. I'd be surprised if a good handful of other popular daygamers (tusk for example) didn't have their channels taken away in 2 weeks time or so, but we'll see! I don't want them gone, either! (i did see tonnes of twitter comments from women to @youtube saying things like ''I hope you're going to take action on the channels of the rest of these 'PUA' people!'' after teh program on bbc aired, so 'im guessing they're aware this isn't a few isolated channels but a whole category!)

Anthony hustle seems to be going underground/private - in fact, he was kind of heading that way before this even blow up. (paid for vids on his private site - youtube just for short blurred vids that he doesn't really care about apparently) - but as you say, without youtube etc I can't imagine his business model lasting that long, tbh!
Very few new customers coming in, and I imagine it's the kind of thing that existing customers soon stop paying for!? Either they give up and can't get laid and decide Anthony is just paying actresses in his infields (he does seem to be banging models at an alarming rate tbf! haha. Krauser thinks he's a farud) OR they get laid and decide they don't need Anthony's help anymore. I imagine it would just die out fairly fast

Am watching this space!

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And the media is circling.

Eddie could have phrased his point about 16 year old's better, admittedly, as it makes for a bad-sounding headline.

Don't read the comments. Basically women aren't just saying "if she says go away, go away", they're saying "just leave women alone. All women!" (literal high-rated comment) and not to talk to them at all. Guess it's a shit test, if you ignore these people and do it anyway then you're a boss (as long as you're socially intelligent).

As an aside, comments on BBCs videos preview of the show are overwhelmingly supportive of the PUAs and against the BBC. Twitter tends to attract lefty crazies and SJW types, youtube leans more right wing / centrist.

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Its a bit like a sales call centre I managed that got Exposed! in a British documentary.

"My last call. She said that she was depressed. Should I have terminated the call?"
"What she was medically depressed?"
"Just.. said she was feeling depressed.."
"Well that could mean anything - keep calling, keep closing.."

Unscrupulous Call-Centre Targets Mentally Ill!

"What if she's 16?"
"There's no law against just talking to 16 year olds"

Unscrupulous PUAs Target Vulnerable Young Girls!
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Here's the documentary:


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(10-08-2019 10:48 AM)Teedub Wrote:  Many guys said that pickup would be criminalised and I thought it possible but not to this extent. Like Roissy said about modern feminism being about maximising female sexual access and restricting male sexual access, it's become true.

That's not exactly the quote but everyone gets the point - dating apps also serve this same purpose, perhaps opportunistically. Street Attraction was a brilliant channel, especially for younger guys.

Maybe it's a good thing, as people who know this stuff will now have an advantage over those who won't be able to in future. Man, this place predicted it would get so much worse and they were right. God help guys who only have fat 3s to talk to on dating apps when they're male 7s. That's what it has devolved to.

If Eddie and Richard are reading this... you helped many lonely guys get girlfriends etc, and you should be proud of yourselves. "We live in a patriarchy", what a joke. I know this sounds like keyboard posturing, but it would have been very satisfying if Eddie had just headbutted the soy boy infiltrator. At least it would be some payback for ruining a career.

I'm genuinely dismayed, particularly as this weekend I intended to teach a mate the London Daygame Model, and now I'm scared of being either arrested or girls running a mile because of this cultural propoganda. Yeah, that Adi guy or whoever went too far, but as predicted, even approaching is being criminalised.

The irony, as others have pointed to, is Rotherham.

Edit: they do indeed show it works, so it's free advertising in a sense.

My Man since you're living in the UK... thread carefully by approaching... especially with the London DayGame model. Til the storm dies down... stay away from The Hot Ones giving you that rough around the hedges type of vibe, and the Hot Yoga chicks unless you've got a vibe they go crazy for. And for your mate... it might be a good idea to get him started with some indirect. Him looking like "a guy trying to Pick Up" might not be the best now
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...ction.html

only approach in the UK if you are handsome as hell, and get a hella strong IOI! (only kidding, but not really. This story sounds like a shy kid who read about 'kino' on a pua site. Opened a girl and tried to touch her arm, she cries 'sexual harrassment!'' and now he's looking at jail lol)

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(10-10-2019 07:11 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...ction.html

only approach in the UK if you are handsome as hell, and get a hella strong IOI! (only kidding, but not really. This story sounds like a shy kid who read about 'kino' on a pua site. Opened a girl and tried to touch her arm, she cries 'sexual harrassment!'' and now he's looking at jail lol)

Game over!
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(10-09-2019 10:11 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Here's the documentary:


I just watched it - I can't say I agree with the PUAs recording their encounters and putting them online, but apart from that they're doing nothing wrong.

The faggot BBC guy was twisting the PUA's words - he made it sound like the PUAs are promoting rape, instead how to get past LMR by persuasion.

They also make it look like a bad thing that they're approaching younger girls. One guy slept with an 18 year old, but they try to make him look like an arsehole for doing something that's totally legal. The age of consent in UK is 16.

Fuck the BBC!
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Richard handled it like a boss at the end, pretty funny. You could tell Eddie on the other hand wanted to knock the guy out if the camera wasn't there.

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(10-13-2019 12:08 AM)WalterBlack Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 10:11 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Here's the documentary:


I just watched it - I can't say I agree with the PUAs recording their encounters and putting them online, but apart from that they're doing nothing wrong.

The faggot BBC guy was twisting the PUA's words - he made it sound like the PUAs are promoting rape, instead how to get past LMR by persuasion.

They also make it look like a bad thing that they're approaching younger girls. One guy slept with an 18 year old, but they try to make him look like an arsehole for doing something that's totally legal. The age of consent in UK is 16.

Fuck the BBC!

The BBC is desperately defending the "equality" narrative. They essentially argue that women are unable to consent. In certain cultures this is considered true. And even in the West not very long ago a man had to get consent from the father, who then handed the bride over to the husband. By a transaction called "marriage".

So the only way keep that narrative of female agency up is to fight anything which could disprove it. And "game" is a pretty powerful method to disprove for example "consent". And once you disproved "consent", you disproved "rape" as well. Rape used to be a crime related to the father's or husband's property.

In the end it's all the same old communism: And we all know that the only way to keep communism "working" is to kill everyone who does anything disproving that. It's the same with "equality".
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(10-09-2019 05:48 AM)Teedub Wrote:  And the media is circling.

Eddie could have phrased his point about 16 year old's better, admittedly, as it makes for a bad-sounding headline.

Don't read the comments. Basically women aren't just saying "if she says go away, go away", they're saying "just leave women alone. All women!" (literal high-rated comment) and not to talk to them at all. Guess it's a shit test, if you ignore these people and do it anyway then you're a boss (as long as you're socially intelligent).

As an aside, comments on BBCs videos preview of the show are overwhelmingly supportive of the PUAs and against the BBC. Twitter tends to attract lefty crazies and SJW types, youtube leans more right wing / centrist.

It's kind of interesting to read the comments, actually. This is the supposedly conservative audience. In fact it's just hyper-conformism whether dressed up in leftist or right-wing garb. Give the post-wall conservative ladies their gossip and their hate figures and they'll believe everything you tell them. Oh yes, and give them the latest news about the royal family, can't forget about that.

Funny thing about the teenage shit is that in fact the guys are absolutely correct, it's not illegal (last time I checked) to talk to a 16-year-old. She might refuse to engage you, or her friends or family could step in if you're being too sleazy about it. If they throw a punch in this process, I doubt anyone would sympathise. But it's not illegal.

Look at the BBC reporter guy. Hobbit-looking midget who grows a little beard. Look at him long and hard, because that's what they want to turn all men into. Soft and non-threatening, unless someone challenges their brittle worldview, then this happens:

(01-10-2019 06:12 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Reddit is clutching their pearls:

Quote:Don’t share their videos, but educate your mothers, daughters, sisters, female cousins and friends about these absolute reprobates.

We Glaswegians chased the last cunt that popped up, Roosh or whatever his name was, right out of the country.

Don’t let this toxic culture breed on our own doorstep.

Quote:I swear to fuck, something has gone deeply wrong if this cunt isn't chased out of the city centre any time he's spotted roaming about there. Honestly, let's just agree to find him and follow him around counter-harassing the shit out him. Please.

https://www.reddit.com/r/glasgow/comment..._women_in/

Obviously these are big, tough, manly Glaswegians, you can tell by how tough they talk on the internet. I actually think this is the real toxic masculinity: empty posturing, wannabe violent masculinity deployed in defence of their fat hag women. All this beta chivalry dressed up with some kind of alpha posturing. I don't doubt that there are big violent guys in Glasgow who could put down some pain, but I doubt it's these guys. Even if they are, they are nothing but attack dogs to their women. Nothing admirable about that.

I especially have to laugh at the whole "Educate your daughters/sisters/cousins/nieces", "Imagine if some sleaze bag approached your niece like these guys do" replies. That's designed to get men to respond emotionally and violently. I can't speak for others, but I have no interest in who talks to my female cousins or my teenage nieces. If I had a daughter it would be different, but all the more distant female relatives? I really don't care. My nieces have parents, they can educate them. They seem to be doing well so far: none of them have become transgenders, climate protesters or anything like that. I'm sure they can survive some guy trying to chat them up.
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Well...

Here’s the thing. I WANT high quality men to approach my daughter as she grows up. How on earth do they think people find spouses?

Oh wait you’re not suppose to do that. Just have a rotating arrangement of sterile hookups with people whose names you don’t even know.
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All I can see in my head out of all this is the infamous bit in the Gillette ad where the black savior holds back the white dude from approaching a woman and saying "Not cool".

There are only two reasons why women want to outlaw cold-approach:

1) the inconvenience of rejecting unsuitable guys (and that's all it really is, an inconvenience, not harassment)
2) to force all courtship to pass through the sterile swiper meat-market

The other thing that comes to mind is that magazines like Cosmo have been dishing out the female equivalent of PUA for many decades. All those articles are oriented around some form of manipulation of men to do women's bidding. Society has chosen to demonize men for trying to optimize their mating strategy while giving a free pass for women to do likewise.
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(10-13-2019 10:10 AM)Harem Scarem Wrote:  
(10-09-2019 05:48 AM)Teedub Wrote:  [url=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7538763/BBC-Panorama-Secrets-Seduction-Bootcamp-encourages-men-approach-teenage-girl.html]

Quote:Don’t share their videos, but educate your mothers, daughters, sisters, female cousins and friends about these absolute reprobates.

Don’t let this toxic culture breed on our own doorstep.

Quote:I swear to fuck, something has gone deeply wrong if this cunt isn't chased out of the city centre any time he's spotted roaming about there. Honestly, let's just agree to find him and follow him around counter-harassing the shit out him. Please.

https://www.reddit.com/r/glasgow/comment..._women_in/

Obviously these are big, tough, manly Glaswegians,

Yeah, you're right Harem: they're faggots.

Same thing happened when I defended Julien leBlanc's right to travel or Roosh's rape article on Facebook. --- All the people attacking me and getting their knickers in a twist were spiteful little soy-boys.

The 16 year old thing is interesting.
I know a magistrate in London and, in passing, his friend who is a successful criminal barrister.

He's pretty red pilled on PC bullshit and the war on men.
He knows when I was teaching PUA stuff in London in my 30's I dated 16 year olds on occasion (they all dumped me).

I asked him a while back how his barrister friend was getting on.
"Very well".
How come?
"Serious Sex" Cases.
What are they?

Turns out that there's a whole cottage industry of criminal cases in London where a girl between 16 and 18 dates a guy who is considerably older than her.
Now, those relationships are legal (with the exception of when someone in a position of responsibility - teacher, headmaster, coach, doctor etc.- has a relationship with a girl over the legal age but under the age of 18 - then it becomes criminally illegal.)

So, the growth industry in recent years is to take relationships where both parties thought it was legal - and to then turn the courtroom into a vast debating club full of legal arguments in the hope that the legal status of the relationship can be flipped to criminal and with a resulting conviction.

They thrive on grey areas of the law and specifically arguing that the older man was in some way in a 'supervisory role' 'avuncular role' 'made her feel small' 'had some kind of power in the relationship' and then they can use the law targeting guardian figures to convict the here-to-fore innocent male party.

Its all cutting edge stuff. Its all the kind of grievance-victimhood-industry bullshit that the legal trade loves (see Asylum seekers).

He concluded the conversation by saying to me (with a weary, fuck-this-gay-earth tone):
"My advice to men over the age of 18 in the Uk... is to steer clear of girls 16 - 18 entirely, because otherwise they could end up in jail."

That conversation was 4 years ago.
I'd not heard of that legal jeopardy either before or since.

But then.. the phenomenon/trap might not get reported that much.
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(10-13-2019 12:14 PM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  Same thing happened when I defended Julien leBlanc's right to travel or Roosh's rape article on Facebook. --- All the people attacking me and getting their knickers in a twist were spiteful little soy-boys.

Fascinating. In my case it was bogan meatheads.
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(10-13-2019 12:18 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  
(10-13-2019 12:14 PM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  Same thing happened when I defended Julien leBlanc's right to travel or Roosh's rape article on Facebook. --- All the people attacking me and getting their knickers in a twist were spiteful little soy-boys.

Fascinating. In my case it was bogan meatheads.

Yeah, Rorogue (before he got banned) said that Melbourne was full of empty-headed but big and jacked blue pilled guys who would attack (in different ways) anyone the MSM deemed as 'toxic' 'wrong-think' etc.

Cant imagine real Bogans doing that.. real Bogans go pigging with dogs and knives and have no time to give a shit about bullshit 'controversies' because when they get back home they have to go back to working on the engine that is scattered in pieces all over their driveway.
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(10-13-2019 10:24 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  Here’s the thing. I WANT high quality men to approach my daughter as she grows up. How on earth do they think people find spouses?


You want your future children to be lumbered with family and a husband??? What are you, some sort of Fascist?!

This weekend's Guardian comment piece...


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...ying-alone

You don't have to settle': the joy of living (and dying) alone
Keli Goff

Data confirms more women have realized there are far worse things than dying alone, which is bad news for the patriarchy

Not long ago I had a discussion with a friend about why she married, and ultimately divorced, someone she knew wasn’t right for her. She said she bought into society’s deafening message that being with a man – any man – is better than being alone, and certainly better than dying alone, which is allegedly the worst fate anyone, especially any woman, can suffer.

When I told her that I’ve never feared dying alone, and in fact have sometimes feared the opposite, she told me I was incredibly lucky. Because this meant I wouldn’t end up settling for a life that doesn’t actually make me happy, even if society tells me it’s supposed to.

Apparently I’m not alone. (Pun intended!) Data confirms that more women have begun to realize that there are far worse things than dying alone, which is great news for women but bad news for the patriarchy.

“Broke men are hurting women’s marriage prospects,” the NY Post recently declared, citing a study from the Journal of Family and Marriage. The article claimed that “most American women hope to marry” but there is a shortage of men with stable incomes and lives, making it tough for women to do so.

CNN reports that there “are more single working women than ever,” and by 2030, according to the CDC, “45% of working women ages 25 to 44 in the United States will be single”. This inspired this spirited Twitter exchange:

That Twitter clash perfectly captures a growing cultural divide. There are those who still believe that traditional marriage is the natural order of things – and that those not participating in this institution are failing society, and must be desperately unhappy and lonely.

Then there are the rest of us, who believe that traditional marriage is great for some, but not for everybody, and we certainly don’t feel like lonely failures for choosing to opt-out. (And yes, for many of us it is an active choice, not just an economic outcome.)

Contrary to decades of prevailing wisdom that those who marry are better off, a 2017 study published in the Journal of Women’s Health found that women who stay single or who divorce are actually healthier than those who stay married. By contrast, married men are healthier than men who are not. Why the discrepancy?

For starters, men are less likely to go to the doctor than women, unless of course women – ie wives – nudge them. Women are also traditionally better at maintaining social networks than men. When a man divorces, he may see his physical and emotional health slide. He loses the person concerned with keeping him healthy and much of his social network. By contrast, women who divorce just see their relationships evolve from investing in a man to investing more heavily in other social or community connections.

Marriage, unless to an exceptional man, is often a 'bad bargain' for women
For years, the feminist writer Linda Hirshman courted controversy by advising that marriage, unless to an exceptional man, is often a “bad bargain” for women. With every child a woman has, she sees her pay and long-term professional opportunities decline, particularly if she leaves the workforce for a significant period of time.

Furthermore, marriage has historically presented women with two options, neither good: marry a man and sacrifice your autonomy and career goals to become financially dependent on him. Or marry a man and maintain your own career but be prepared to have a “second shift” career taking care of him and the home. Even among more open-minded millennial men, the female spouse still ends up doing the majority of caregiving and housekeeping.

More women, however, are foregoing marriage and motherhood. In doing so, they trade in their “second shift” and instead begin taking care of themselves. To use Hirshman’s language, they are rejecting a “bad bargain”. This new status quo frustrates men who feel entitled to female companionship, such as angry male “incels”.

While trying to explain the danger of incels (“involuntary celibates”) to my mother, I was surprised to hear her say, “Well, they’re not entirely wrong.” Realizing my horror, she went on to explain that women used to need a man to survive. That led to a lot of bad marriages and deterred divorces. She loves that, thanks to modern feminism, she gets to see women like me make decisions that are not predicated on needing a man to keep a roof over my head. “You don’t have to settle,” she said.

Women have more economic power and freedom to set standards regarding the men they will be with, and what they will put up with from those men, than at any time in history. More women are deciding that being in a bad marriage, or trying to co-parent with an irresponsible man, is much worse than dying alone.

Once dying alone is no longer scary to women, men lose power. So it shouldn’t be surprising that some incels are outraged. It’s no different than those who mourn the days when they didn’t have to compete for jobs against women and racial minorities. It must be frustrating to lose power you once had but didn’t necessarily deserve.

Which is why I owe a big thank you to my mom. Despite being married for nearly 50 years, she’s never pressured me to get married (even when she’s been a fan of the man I’m dating). But the main reason I owe her thanks is because she’s never minded going to dinner by herself. Until I grew older I didn’t realize such a small act was actually strangely politically subversive. Countless adults are terrified of simply going to the movies by themselves. I increasingly think Chris Rock was right when, years ago, he joked that a lot of people marry just to have someone to go to dinner and the movies with. Funny, but sadly, probably true.

It made me wonder how many people have endured unhappy relationships just so they wouldn’t be perceived as lonely. For so long, society has perpetuated the stigma that you need someone by your side to be seen as whole.

But more women are dismantling this stigma and eschewing the “bad bargain”. They are finally deciding that being alone isn’t the same as being lonely. They’ve realized that they can channel the energy that for so long went into uplifting men into instead lifting themselves. That means more women staying in the workplace, more women running for office and more women grabbing their rightful seats at tables of power.

That’s not to say women shouldn’t marry and have children. It is to say women should feel empowered to do so, only if they truly want to and with partners who are worthy of them, who champion and nurture their success, not hold them back or drag them down. More women are embracing that message, and that could ultimately do more for women’s equality than any government policy ever will.
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(10-13-2019 12:29 PM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  
(10-13-2019 12:18 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  
(10-13-2019 12:14 PM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  Same thing happened when I defended Julien leBlanc's right to travel or Roosh's rape article on Facebook. --- All the people attacking me and getting their knickers in a twist were spiteful little soy-boys.

Fascinating. In my case it was bogan meatheads.

Yeah, Rorogue (before he got banned) said that Melbourne was full of empty-headed but big and jacked blue pilled guys who would attack (in different ways) anyone the MSM deemed as 'toxic' 'wrong-think' etc.

Cant imagine real Bogans doing that.. real Bogans go pigging with dogs and knives and have no time to give a shit about bullshit 'controversies' because when they get back home they have to go back to working on the engine that is scattered in pieces all over their driveway.


No true Bogans wouldn't be into that. That'll be just white knighting college kids, maybe the types that made college through sports or something.
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(10-13-2019 01:07 PM)Elmore Wrote:  
(10-13-2019 10:24 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  Here’s the thing. I WANT high quality men to approach my daughter as she grows up. How on earth do they think people find spouses?


You want your future children to be lumbered with family and a husband??? What are you, some sort of Fascist?!

This weekend's Guardian comment piece...


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...ying-alone

You don't have to settle': the joy of living (and dying) alone
Keli Goff

Data confirms more women have realized there are far worse things than dying alone, which is bad news for the patriarchy

"Data confirms" - At some point you realize it's just bullshit and blatant lies to steer females off marriage into corporations.
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(10-13-2019 10:10 AM)Harem Scarem Wrote:  Look at the BBC reporter guy. Hobbit-looking midget who grows a little beard. Look at him long and hard, because that's what they want to turn all men into. Soft and non-threatening, unless someone challenges their brittle worldview, then this happens:

I honestly thought that he was a female-to-male tranny the first time I saw him.
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