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Trump's ability to restore US demographics discussion
The election of Donald Trump as US president is quite astonishing for many reasons. His Presidency alone could very well reverse the demographic trend in America of the past decades. After many years of unchecked illegal immigration swamping the US, Trump's last 3 years has proven to be remarkably effective, despite a few Federal judges putting up temporary roadblocks,

I think with the election of Trump term 1, and the very real possibility of a 2nd term Trump can really restore the demographic direction of the country.

1. Already imposing stricter quotas on legal immigration
2, Reduced # of visas issued (travel, work, etc)
3. Largely restricted asylum seeker intake, by like 90%
4. Set deportation of 300k temporary status people
5. The ongoing mass deportation where 250k illegals are deported each year, according to ICE. This means Trump administration will have deported roughly 1 mill illegals from the interior of the country by end of his 1st term (if not mistakened)

AND if "The Wall" is built, we could very well restore American demographics.

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Chart 1
ICE. gov - removal statistics

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Chart 2
ICE - Data on Internal Deportations


The 2nd chart is very promising, it shows how effectively Trump has ramped up internal deportations--which is absolutely critical for this demographic trend to shift.


Links:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/14/us/po...-rise.html

https://www.ice.gov/removal-statistics/2017
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It's something of a lost cause, man. Even most people on the right think we should bring in immigrants if they're "good people" who "share our values".
No thought is given to how "good people" will be tested for, or whether their kids will "share our values", or any of those questions. And this is on the conservative side of the spectrum.

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ICE just set a new record in FY2018, 256,086 illegal aliens deported, an increase of 13% over FY2017. At this rate Trump's admin has deported approx. 750k illegal aliens in 3 years of his presidency. If the pace persist for his 4th year, he will be on track to exceed 1 million illegal aliens removed.

That is JUST illegal aliens, he is also deporting people here on temporary status, and restricting legal immigration.


Source: https://www.ice.gov/features/ERO-2018

Let's say he wins a 2nd term, assuming a 13% percent increase YoY.

2nd Term forecast:
2021: 289,280 deported
2022: 326,886 deported
2023: 369,381 deported
2024: 417,401 deported

Total: 1.4 Million


Total deportations of 1st Term + 2nd Term = 2.4 million total deported.
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So he only needs another ~18 terms to fully deport the 22 million illegals that are already in the US. Not adjusting for any of the kids that they might have or the fresh illegals that manage to get in.

Sounds doable!

In all seriousness, I don't see how the demographic change is fixable. Best case the US balkanizes. You can have the United States of Shitholistan and the United States of Flyover Country.
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If we simply stop giving benefits to illegals, that would stem the tide.

Or hell, if we let doctors and hospitals work with ice agents to ship out the illegals that could work too.

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Has he learned nothing from Reagan? I guess not. Guys, this is check mate.

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The hour is late, but there is always hope. I fear it would take a military dictatorship to achieve much of this though. Cutting legal immigration is unthinkable to 95% of politicians, and we let in 1.5m per year. It really is insanity. Also we need this V2

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You will not restore the US's demographics until you get women of your choice of ethnicity breeding again. It is as simple as that. This simple fact is the reason you have an immigration problem: because you've got too many morons -- predominantly female, but a large group male -- going to university rather than trying to do some hard work or start small businesses.

You want to restore demographics, ban the contraceptive Pill. But nobody's doing that, that gate couldn't be shut now even if you could coax the horse back in.

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(01-14-2019 02:09 AM)Malone Wrote:  ...
In all seriousness, I don't see how the demographic change is fixable. Best case the US balkanizes. You can have the United States of Shitholistan and the United States of Flyover Country.

This.

On top of blue-pill conservatives thinking they can get the "right kind" of immigrants they are, for the time being, incapable of even entertaining a debate that race actually matters. What happens when you talk to Ben Shapiro or any conservative minority on the Right about maintaining white demographic majority in the US.

"Lol! Who let the racist in?!"

Whites will wake up in workable numbers around about the time the boomers die out (another reason why minority majority is inevitable) but it will be irrelevant by that point. Myself and many others supported Trump because they thought he had the balls to do what was necessary but it's not happening.

You want to look a bit deeper into the soul of the USA?

In the end is it really a functional democracy if people are mostly voting along racial lines and being denied electoral relevance "for their own good"?

How are you going to front up to a sixth generation latino Texan who's voted D all his life and say "we need to keep a strong white majority so your people don't fuck everything up"?

He's rightly going to say "fuck you, white boy, it'll be a legitimate multi-racial democracy when we're all evenly represented" or he's going to say "hope you enjoyed holding the whip, wipe it down when you hand it over".

This is why multi-racial Western democracies are in essence white tyrannies "for the good of the coloured folk". You might rightfully suggest that what blacks or latinos or indians or chinese would create as a majority in their districts is inferior to what they're replacing but the bottom line is that if you're only using a racial demographic as a democratic cudgel (and pretty fucking ineffectively at this point) then you're kidding yourself if you think it's working out. It's working out for whitey, right up until it's not, then it's not working out for anyone except the elites.

When blacks complain about being oppressed by whites, shit, I get it. They're 10% of the US population. For them democracy is the punch-line to a bad joke. You might think that they'll create Mogadishu 2 if left to their own devices and in several places they virtually have, but that's what self determination is all about. The right for you and your people to set a course for your own destiny.

The balkanisation of the US will be ugly. Not everyone will be better off, but at least they will be free of the sense that they are an eternal underdog in their own nation with no relevance beyond casting a protest vote and throwing spanners in the machinery of society.

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(01-13-2019 09:59 PM)Design Engineer Wrote:  AND if "The Wall" is built, we could very well restore American demographics.

Restore US Demographics? Seriously... ? The US has never been a white ethnostate, it never will be... and we shouldn't want it.

European descended people living in the US will continue to shrink in population. A good portion of the female population are race fetishizers chasing black guys. Another chunk are insane feminists who will never have kids and who will eventually give up on men completely... settling into a life of obese lesbian love. You put those two groups together and then factor in the idea that most "white" girls don't have kids until their 30's AND that they only have 1 to 2.... and population decline becomes guaranteed.

Nothing... and I mean nothing is going to fix that. The real question to my mind is what happens when white folks are a minority in the US. Obviously socialism is going to explode and resources will become more scarce.
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You could make it easier for us Canucks, Common Wealthers and Euro-weenies to emigrate to the US but most of us are left leaning socialists who vote for abortion, legal ganja, maternity leave and fag weddings so maybe that's not such a great idea after all.

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(01-14-2019 07:08 AM)Thomas Jackson Wrote:  The hour is late, but there is always hope. I fear it would take a military dictatorship to achieve much of this though. Cutting legal immigration is unthinkable to 95% of politicians, and we let in 1.5m per year. It really is insanity. Also we need this V2

At this stage in the game... I would take a military dictatorship just to prevent mass oppression of conservative people.

What the US really needs is an Oliver Cromwell... Lord Protector of the States. It would have to originate in the military. Even if you look at Syria, and Libya... the most recent governments to fall to civilian unrest... it was military defections that created even the possibility of civil war.

There is no civilian force on the right that could organize or even put up a fight. Perhaps if everyone rallied around the Mormon church? The US Left is very well funded mostly by tax dollars, and very well organized. They would generally suck at fighting... but they are more willing to commit violence and have the funding for weapons if needed. THEY could create a civilian based civil war. None of that infrastructure or funding exists on the right.
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^^

The Wall is more of a psychological aspect to it all. It signals to everybody that America has borders and there are laws on this other side. It clearly is popular, contrary to the naysayers on the left. Once we get The Wall we theoretically could get demographic change.

With that being said what OP has stated might very well be a pipe dream. Sound in practice? YES. Will President Trump follow through on it? Probably not. He can't even get The Wall up in the first place. Throw in the fact that the left has essentially sterilized our women and you can see why it might only be a matter of time before the US balkanizes. If you even look around at the Canada threads you will see there's problems up there and it might only be a matter of time before we have to build a wall up there.

QAnon BS distracted everybody while criminals like the Awans run scotch free. Strozek and Comey are still sleeping in their comfy bed at night. Obama is mouthing off how he set up President Trump for success when he should be locked up for good. But HURR DURR TRUST THE PLAN GUYS! Yes, President Trump isn't at least Hillary but domestically he hasn't landed too many victories. A couple of President Trump's greatest accomplishments are getting people to wake up that democracy is a farce, buying us time, and the notable rise in populism worldwide (i.e. yellow vests). That is admirable and I will be voting for him come 2020.

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You have to be crazy to think any government in the US would deport tens of millions of people to preserve a heritage which is mostly white and European. You're talking martial law levels of social unrest across most, if not all towns and cities.
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There is no "fixing" of the demographics of the US. The US was a country created by Anglo settlers who created the foundation of the republic. Then easily integrating Euro-stock came in working along the same lines. It was never a country of immigrants. That would be the definition of one if the Westerners had begun to hunt the buffalo and started living exactly like the Sioux.

The demographics are utterly unstoppable even if you closed the borders and deported all the illegals. Even then the demographics would be wiping out the founding people. Becoming Brazil is the future of the US. A balkanization is illusory. They fought a war against that 150 years ago when they had much less power, what makes you think that they would allow you to secede now?

You will become Brazil. That is a foregone conclusion. It is what it is.

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The Demographics war has already been lost, they are here and they are multiplying faster then the whites. The only real chance the country has at long term survival is for the white liberals to get their heads out of their asses and realize whats going on and stop voting for radical leftists. To some extent, that is what happened in 2016 when MI, WI, PA, and OH voted for Trump. If that continues, you perhaps pick up a few black votes and some Hispanics, you can stem the tide for a little while but I think 10-20 years out its almost impossible. The immigrants who come here will vote for the same shitty policies they voted in the countries they left behind, similar to how the stupid Californians move to TX, AZ, and NV to escape the shitty consequences of their liberal left wing high taxing state and local governments, then vote for liberals in their new states.
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The US does not have to deport every single illegal, many are leaving the country on their own as they are afraid of getting arrested and their stuff confiscated. If we can pass a mandatory Federal e-verify law then we can cut off all jobs to illegals. Already many employers are participating in the program. As for the mass reproduction argument, Yes the Parents have many kids, but their kids do not multiply at the same rate, their fertility rate is similar to the natives (according to one study I read).

Also many Democrats also voted for Trump, as BMan mentioned he won MI, WI, and PA and almost won MN, states that typically vote blue. That political shift will help him win in 2020, and can help the GOP win in 2024.
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(01-14-2019 01:25 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  You have to be crazy to think any government in the US would deport tens of millions of people to preserve a heritage which is mostly white and European. You're talking martial law levels of social unrest across most, if not all towns and cities.

People thought it was crazy Trump would ever become President given all the heated rhetoric and the pussy-grabbing audio. The future of a nation can always change, if not by government then by the people.

Besides, Trump is already deporting them in mass numbers, averaging 250k a year. If ICE was a larger organization we could deport 500k a year or more. ICE is working on partnering with local police departments to speed up deportations.
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(01-14-2019 12:11 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 02:09 AM)Malone Wrote:  ...
In all seriousness, I don't see how the demographic change is fixable. Best case the US balkanizes. You can have the United States of Shitholistan and the United States of Flyover Country.

This.

On top of blue-pill conservatives thinking they can get the "right kind" of immigrants they are, for the time being, incapable of even entertaining a debate that race actually matters. What happens when you talk to Ben Shapiro or any conservative minority on the Right about maintaining white demographic majority in the US.

"Lol! Who let the racist in?!"

Whites will wake up in workable numbers around about the time the boomers die out (another reason why minority majority is inevitable) but it will be irrelevant by that point. Myself and many others supported Trump because they thought he had the balls to do what was necessary but it's not happening.

You want to look a bit deeper into the soul of the USA?

In the end is it really a functional democracy if people are mostly voting along racial lines and being denied electoral relevance "for their own good"?

How are you going to front up to a sixth generation latino Texan who's voted D all his life and say "we need to keep a strong white majority so your people don't fuck everything up"?

He's rightly going to say "fuck you, white boy, it'll be a legitimate multi-racial democracy when we're all evenly represented" or he's going to say "hope you enjoyed holding the whip, wipe it down when you hand it over".

This is why multi-racial Western democracies are in essence white tyrannies "for the good of the coloured folk". You might rightfully suggest that what blacks or latinos or indians or chinese would create as a majority in their districts is inferior to what they're replacing but the bottom line is that if you're only using a racial demographic as a democratic cudgel (and pretty fucking ineffectively at this point) then you're kidding yourself if you think it's working out. It's working out for whitey, right up until it's not, then it's not working out for anyone except the elites.

When blacks complain about being oppressed by whites, shit, I get it. They're 10% of the US population. For them democracy is the punch-line to a bad joke. You might think that they'll create Mogadishu 2 if left to their own devices and in several places they virtually have, but that's what self determination is all about. The right for you and your people to set a course for your own destiny.

The balkanisation of the US will be ugly. Not everyone will be better off, but at least they will be free of the sense that they are an eternal underdog in their own nation with no relevance beyond casting a protest vote and throwing spanners in the machinery of society.

Unlike Australia and the Balkans, the US has a well-armed population and most gun-owners in this country are white, right-wing, conservative, and nationalist people. The US also has well organized militias. I don't see any Latinos or minorities groups as taking over land and creating their own smaller countries (that's what balkanization means).
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(01-14-2019 11:24 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  You will not restore the US's demographics until you get women of your choice of ethnicity breeding again. It is as simple as that. This simple fact is the reason you have an immigration problem: because you've got too many morons -- predominantly female, but a large group male -- going to university rather than trying to do some hard work or start small businesses.

You want to restore demographics, ban the contraceptive Pill. But nobody's doing that, that gate couldn't be shut now even if you could coax the horse back in.

I think this sums it up quite nicely! Somebody got to pay them taxes at the end of the day! Restoring the demographics would be harder than putting the toothpaste back in the tube!
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(01-14-2019 07:39 PM)Design Engineer Wrote:  Unlike Australia and the Balkans, the US has a well-armed population and most gun-owners in this country are white, right-wing, conservative, and nationalist people. The US also has well organized militias. I don't see any Latinos or minorities groups as taking over land and creating their own smaller countries (that's what balkanization means).

Mind you, the Establishment is quite seriously considering dropping nuclear bombs Confused onto any and all "well organized", right-wing, armed group of people who would dare try to create some kind of autonomous land for themselves.

Because the Western-world Establishment has one major fear: that good Conservative people would create a land for themselves and live happily in it, armed and prosperous. Therefore the Globalists are fighting with all their weapons to prevent the creation of good homogeneous lands, even to the point of denying land-swaps, like currently between Kosovo-Serbia. No homogeneous land, even a small one, shall be created, or their whole construction will crumble.

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They want complete control over the people. This is the reason why the 2nd amendment was implemented to avoid government's monopoly of force trampling the rights of citizen with every election. That tweet from Swalwell is just other meme or ad that Trump can use for 2020.
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Big news, RGB could be retiring soon. Trump White House planning to nominate a 3rd judge to SCOTUS. This would cement a solid 6-3 conservative majority.

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One thing that hasn't been mentioned and something that could easily be done: make English the official language. Ban Spanish from all the helplines and adverts.

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(01-14-2019 10:44 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  One thing that hasn't been mentioned and something that could easily be done: make English the official language. Ban Spanish from all the helplines and adverts.
Agreed, the US doesn't have any official language, only English de facto. Federal law can easily change that by making it the official language.

Ban Spanish in anything government related (including services and schools), can easily stomp out a huge chunk of it and force English speaking assimilation by using the same tactics used on German speakers circa WWI, or another smaller example is Cajun french effectively dying out due to forced English education efforts in Louisiana.

1. English only – 229.7 million
2. Spanish – 40.5 million
3. Chinese (including Mandarin and Cantonese) – 3.4 million
4. Tagalog (including Filipino) – 1.7 million

Look at that gap, between 1, 2 & 3

And why is national origin (language) in Title VI a thing, results in too much coddling and makes it easier to not assimilate, and this extends to EVERY thing touched by federal funding, thus more costs for translators/translating in offering government services in non-English.

They are already pushing to have trials conducted in Spanish

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RE: Trump's ability to restore US demographics discussion
(01-14-2019 07:34 PM)Design Engineer Wrote:  
(01-14-2019 01:25 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  You have to be crazy to think any government in the US would deport tens of millions of people to preserve a heritage which is mostly white and European. You're talking martial law levels of social unrest across most, if not all towns and cities.

People thought it was crazy Trump would ever become President given all the heated rhetoric and the pussy-grabbing audio. The future of a nation can always change, if not by government then by the people.

Besides, Trump is already deporting them in mass numbers, averaging 250k a year. If ICE was a larger organization we could deport 500k a year or more. ICE is working on partnering with local police departments to speed up deportations.

You must have some good shit flying around that head of yours to believe electing a man to office = deporting millions of people who aren't white or black.

Good to know American bravado is still going hand in hand with ignorance.
01-15-2019 07:33 AM
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