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RE: What is morality? Who decides?
Here is a video from "Philosophy Bites" discussing Nietzsche on the Origin of Good and Evil. It gives a digestible discussion, only 14 minutes long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzxo0Ds6lA8

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(02-10-2019 10:29 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  In 10 years every one of these will be ruthlessly suppressed. You will be a zealous muslim, wearing a black clothing, and women will be wearing bonnets or veils. Anyone who doesn't adhere to this will be hanged publicly.

there, ftfy.
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(02-11-2019 04:02 AM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  
(02-10-2019 10:29 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  In 10 years every one of these will be ruthlessly suppressed. You will be a zealous muslim, wearing a black clothing, and women will be wearing bonnets or veils. Anyone who doesn't adhere to this will be hanged publicly.

there, ftfy.

I think this would be a best-case scenario. Worst case would be an integration of a moderated form of Islam, with the outward appearance of it, but subservient to globohomo social liberalism. Like trannies in burkas. If any culture can destroy traditional morality wherever it comes from is the modern globohomo cosmopolitan one.
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I'm digging Buddhist Roosh here. I think you guys will enjoy what he has to say as well. Many points are relevant to things we discuss and struggle with on this forum. I like his distinction between institutional religion, religion, and a spiritual path. His thoughts on wants vs. needs hit the mark.




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RE: What is morality? Who decides?
(02-10-2019 11:55 PM)Sherman Wrote:  Here is a video from "Philosophy Bites" discussing Nietzsche on the Origin of Good and Evil. It gives a digestible discussion, only 14 minutes long.




Admittedly, I'm not too familiar with Nietzsche's thoughts and works, like "On the Genealogy of Morality" and his idea of a self-invented slave morality, but it's apparent he's gone down the same path and questioned why we have the morals that we do, how they originated, and what's possible if we are unshackled from them. Fascinating stuff. Thank you for sharing.

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It's really quite amazing how people who set themselves on the path of enlightenment often traverse the same roads. My two topics of interest the past couple years have been Stoicism and Buddhism. I too see an overlap in their way of thinking, morals, and values. Living in Thailand for a while now I've also noticed how these ideas influence the people and culture. Try imagining a culture influenced by Stoicism. What's been fascinating is seeing it in action on occasion. There have been times when I've dealt with Thai people (young and old) in a business setting and I hear them say certain phrases or express certain sentiments to me that resonate with me philosophically. I can immediately tell they're true Buddhists in their thinking and intentions. It's so foreign to what a Westerner who's chasing status and wealth might say. I guess it's something you would have to experience first-hand to understand and have an appreciation for. Nonetheless, it's very cool.




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RE: What is morality? Who decides?
Morality is Some Beliefs, Etiquette, Behavior, Respect, Way of Living Life in the Right Direction which you get from your Parents, teachers & atmosphere around you.

Your Environment Defines Morality.
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I just had my aha moment on the Globalist thread.

(02-12-2019 11:44 AM)Avoy Wrote:  I think it's fair to say at this point that the US will continue to morph into whatever it wants to become for competitive advantage on the world stage under the guise of the economy and national security. As you know... being #1 is of "paramount importance." USA! USA! USA!

So if you're a nationalist who's concerned about silly things like culture and quality of life, what matters to you doesn't line up with what the goals of the leadership and elite are. Any effort to improve (or save) society for a greater good is for nothing, really, because the course has already been set and you're just a passenger. As long you perform your duties without putting too much strain on the system ("Sir, please go back to your seat."), they're happy. So enjoy your netflix, hook-ups, fast food, credit lines, etc. because you deserve it. Values and morals are whatever our entertainment overlords have pre-selected for us ("Click the 'Home' icon for a menu of options on the screen in front of you.").

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This probably applies to all countries who have grand aspirations of competing on a global stage or are being micro-managed by a large organization like the EU.

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Now I see why Buddhism never caught on in the West. It's a thinking man's religion / philosophy of life. "Critical Thinking" isn't a trait valued or practiced in modern society. Also, people questioning authority and inquiring why things are the way they are in ancient times probably wasn't something the rulers would have liked or encourage.

Quote:The Way Of Inquiry
[...] Buddha pointed out the danger in fashioning one's beliefs merely on the following grounds: on hearsay, on tradition, because many others say it is so, on the authority of ancient scriptures, on the word of a supernatural being, or out of trust in one's teachers, elders, or priests. Instead one maintains an open mind and thoroughly investigates one's own experience of life. When one sees for oneself that a particular view agrees with both experience and reason, and leads to the happiness of one and all, then one should accept that view and live up to it!

This principle, of course, applies to the Buddha's own Teachings. They should be considered and inquired into using the clarity of mind born of meditation. Only when one sees these Teachings for oneself in the experience of insight, do these Teachings become one's Truth and give blissful liberation.

The traveller on the way of inquiry needs the practice of tolerance. Tolerance does not mean that one embraces every idea or view but means one doesn't get angry at what one can't accept.

Further along the journey, what one once disagreed with might later be seen to be true. So in the spirit of tolerant inquiry, here are some more of the basic Teachings as the Buddha gave them.

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RE: What is morality? Who decides?
(02-11-2019 04:02 AM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  
(02-10-2019 10:29 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  In 10 years every one of these will be ruthlessly suppressed. You will be a zealous muslim, wearing a black clothing, and women will be wearing bonnets or veils. Anyone who doesn't adhere to this will be hanged publicly.

there, ftfy.

Actually this is a key point. I could easily see an alliance between Christians and Muslims to destroy gays and Feminism.
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(01-31-2019 05:51 PM)Waqqle Wrote:  If there are no gods, then asking what/who defines morality is as meaningless as asking which color is the best color.

Great in theory, but it falls over when no actual gods turn up to tell us the rules directly, and instead we get illiterate shepherds being the intermediary and thus we get morally justified divine approved pedofillia and genital mutilation and beheadings, as it is god's will, alla akaba.

"morality is as meaningless" doesn't hold up as true, if you think so consider the difference between Saudi arabia and western civilisation.

Different cultures definition of morality is very meaningful and leads to a great life, so has a very high value and meaning.
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Just sharing as I'm learning. This will be my last post on Morality as it relates to Buddhism for a while as I take a deeper dive on my own.

Buddhists' spiritual path of enlightenment: Virtue > Meditation > Wisdom

Virtue is of particular importance because you can't meditate on things and find wisdom without it. To achieve this, Buddhists follow a Noble Eightfold Path.

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Of these 8 items, Right Speech, Right Action, and Right Livelihood are directly related to Virtue and Morality. In addition, and similar to the 10 Commandments, Buddhists have 5 Precepts, which they refrain from:

1. [Murder] Deliberately causing the death of any living being;
2. [Stealing] Intentionally taking for one's own the property of another;
3. [Adultery] Sexual misconduct, in particular adultery;
4. [Lying] Lying and breaking promises;
5. [Intoxication] Drinking alcohol or taking stupefying drugs which lead to lack of mindfulness.

The cool thing here is that from the beginning Buddhist teaching focuses on getting your mind right first in order to have the right view of reality so you can better control your thoughts and your reactions to things (think: Stoicism).

I can also see how the concept of Karma is a powerful guiding force and a benefit to people and society in general:

Quote:Kamma means 'action'. The Law of Kamma means that there are inescapable results of our actions. There are deeds of body, speech or mind that lead to others' harm, one's own harm, or to the harm of both. Such deeds are called bad (or 'unwholesome') kamma. They are usually motivated by greed, hatred or delusion. Because they bring painful results, they should not be done.

There are also deeds of body, speech or mind that lead to others' well being, one's own well being, or to the well being of both. Such deeds are called good (or 'wholesome') kamma. They are usually motivated by generosity, compassion or wisdom. Because they bring happy results, they should be done as often as possible.

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The best take I've ever seen on this is Stefan Molyneux's concept of Universally Preferable Behavior.

Here's a 15 min summary video about it he made (but it obviously requires one to go deeper than that to understand):





Whole book:



http://cdn.media.freedomainradio.com/fee...ux_PDF.pdf


The people who tends to think moral is relative are usually the ones that will have no problem to steal, lie, cheat etc. from you if it helps them in some way.

I think deep questions like this is very important to have with a potential wife. If she can't understand simple laws of logic and think it's all relative, then that is a big issue.
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Good on Carl Carl Benjamin (Sargon of Akkad) for being part of the UKIP reformation and stating what needs to change and be protected in the UK. If only the Republican Party would do the same and actually stand for something that could influence the culture in a positive way and fight back against the progressive agenda/morality.




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If you guys think politicians can't do anything to help, then you're overlooking the fact that their policies and stance on social issues are primarily responsible for changing our culture and standard of living.

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