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Look dude, I can relate with your experience that night . I only think I can tell you is that don’t let the negatives thoughts put you down.
Let me break down for you .
1- If a guy with a lot of positive experiences encountered the same thing as you , he would see as failed attempt , maybe she was sick , maybe she was tire. Why ? Because he have a lot of positive experiences .
2- in your case, because you can’t believe you can pull this level girls so you are trying to prove to yourself . It will never happen and she pulled away from you because of your face .

In my case, I fucked up a lot with girls who were into me . But I never blamed myself . I always thought they were attention whore and they were not into me . Why I didn’t blame myself because I never believed they were into me ( limiting belief ) .

To reframe, your last experience you can see it through this frame . I pulled a hot girl , she was into , I could have gotten the bang if I pushed for the same night lay but I didn’t .

So next time, I’ll be able pull a hot girl , she will be into me , and I will push for the bang and I will get the bang .
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RE: Early 30s newbie
(04-20-2019 07:17 PM)cruzinV Wrote:  I was at the club last night sitting by the bar, saw this hot girl walk past me and go to the bathroom. She was wearing a tight black minidress, nice plump ass and very nice legs with normal sized tits. Face was average overall a solid 7. I knew she was gonna pass by me again so I stopped her and said where she was headed, she said she was going to her friends table [...]

This is the moment where I would not have offered the prospect an object of financial value within the first 10 seconds of introducing yourself. There has to be some minimal level of positive feedback before offering what is essentially money. If a girl is in a P2P mindset, then boom, there you go, it can be easy, but I am too broke to pay for sex when I can get it for free. And if a girl is not in such a mindset, it won't really help you more than any other string of words you could possibly improvise. Watching an episode of Seinfeld directly before going out is recommended as as an exercise in game--it helps put us in the mindset of casually chattering about anything and nothing ... shooting the breeze really. That's all it should take, if a girl is into you. Spending money on a girl is a very symbolic act, which indicates your approval of her conduct. It's a special treat, like you would give a dog when it's behaving. It's important that she understand that you are superior to her in some way, but giving out easy approval is a pathway to appearing low status.

During these special early moments, try to showcase something that lets the best parts of your personality shine. It doesn't have to even make sense, just say words that seem like you mean what you're saying, or anything to evoke an emotional reaction, whether it be humor, awkwardness, anything. You will find a woman sooner or later that bites at your bait. Talking is a way of connecting, and it includes body language and eye contact. But with a girl's mind buzzing with distractions, you have to talk about something so that you are giving her attention something to focus on, then it is up to her to decide if she like it or not. For the marginal cases, where a girl isn't already eye-fucking you, you have to put yourself out there for a girl to feel secure in taking the risk of appearing to be receptive.

Although it's best to start with words, I will even touch a woman if I can't think of something so say, and/or hold silent eye contact. That is why dance floor pickup is easy for people that cant think of anything to say in English. A lot of my pickups were just natural expressions of desire along the lines of

"I saw you blush when we made eye contact,"

"I hope it doesn't bother you if I try to hit on you."

"I was [doing something, watching the game, drinking my beer] and then I got distracted by a pretty girl"

And then saying any old thing that comes to mind, holding eye contact as much as possible, paying attention to the girl and being loose with your words, always with the assumption that she would enjoy hearing what I have to say, whether that is valid or not, because it quickly screens out the ones that are not all that interested. Say something (or if you're at a loss for words you can try to ask a question but that's a lower return on investment). Tell a story or an anecdote, or make an observation. Say something that you think would entertain or provoke her etc. Without appearing like you really care what she thinks, say something that you privately think she will react to, and then if and when she starts talking, grant her the privilege of hearing what she has to say and giving your spontaneous reply. Try to move the interaction to an intense conversation right from the get go. Stalling happens when things aren't moving forward quickly enough. If a girl issues the rejection, then quickly find a new prospect.

(04-20-2019 07:17 PM)cruzinV Wrote:  ...another dead end...

It makes sense to treat it that way, since investing time in a lukewarm prospect takes away from searching for potentially warmer prospects. I will delete a text message thread if a girl starts giving one word answers or doesn't reply. If a girl goes cold within the first day of meeting her, it's likely her gold is not at the end of the rainbow. You will find it elsewhere, I am sure.

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The LA girl has texted me twice since she canceled, i stalked her facebook and I saw that she went on vacation to florida the weekend that she canceled on me. I dont know why she lied and said she had to study, maybe she didnt want me to feel bad that she already had a vacation planned. She texted me this morning and asked how my weekend was, thats when she said she was in florida on vacation(which i already knew) with her family. I told her i was planning to go to LA this weekend and we should meet up she said ok. So yeah it seems she had a legit reason to cancel the trip and like i said shes initiating contact so i think i still have a chance to get her, hopefully she comes through this weekend. Always the possibility shes just an attention whore tho.
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^^^
Maybe I'm missing something.

But if she went on vacation to Florida with her family, that could not have been a last minute thing. Also, are you sure it was with her family, or could the vacation have been with another guy?

Either way, she lied by saying she had to study and likely just took what she perceived to be a better option.

I would not talk with her anymore if I was you.

Regarding the trip you were planning with her, I would also advise to not offer to pay for an expensive weekend with a girl before she's had sex with you. It comes across as premature and needy.

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Bigger picture, even if you are in fact objectively unattractive, there are plenty of actions you can take to consistently, or at least occasionally, sleep with attractive girls.

Create a cool life, have quality friends, and be an interesting person with good conversation skills.

Basically, create a life that women will want to be a part of. There's plenty of material on the forum about how to do that. It's not a quick fix, but it's the only way.

A quality social circle is your best bet to sleep with attractive women. That will provide the opportunity to show value over time, and move the focus away from your looks.

Even online dating / Instagram is something you can utilize. Before you say "I'm ugly", there's a thread on the forum about how even Steve Buscemi can look like someone that women would like to meet if he has top-notch pictures - https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-45167.html

Online dating / Instagram is not solely about looks, but lifestyle as well. Get the latter in order, and maximize the first with good clothes and pictures.
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Hmm got a text from the black minidress girl today.

Her: what's up ugly
Me: just goofing off at work
Me: and who you calling ugly! My mom tells me all the time I'm handsome.
Her: haha sure
Me: you headed to work yet?
Her: I'm barely gonna take a shower
Me: I'm about to get off, then hit the gym and have dinner. I live a healthy lifestyle.
Her: haha yeah I could tell *sarcasm*
Me: haha well good luck at work
Her: thanks same to you *kissey face*

Yeah kinda surprised she texted me and dont know what to make of the ugly remark but I just rolled with it. I still dont think ill ever meet up with her and dont plan on texting her, doesnt seem like shes taking me serious.
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(04-23-2019 08:47 PM)cruzinV Wrote:  Hmm got a text from the black minidress girl today.

Her: what's up ugly
Me: just goofing off at work
Me: and who you calling ugly! My mom tells me all the time I'm handsome.
Her: haha sure
Me: you headed to work yet?
Her: I'm barely gonna take a shower
Me: I'm about to get off, then hit the gym and have dinner. I live a healthy lifestyle.
Her: haha yeah I could tell *sarcasm*
Me: haha well good luck at work
Her: thanks same to you *kissey face*

Yeah kinda surprised she texted me and dont know what to make of the ugly remark but I just rolled with it. I still dont think ill ever meet up with her and dont plan on texting her, doesnt seem like shes taking me serious.

She wouldn't call you ugly if she didn't think you were cute....
Go for it.

You need to ask her out.
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(04-23-2019 08:47 PM)cruzinV Wrote:  Hmm got a text from the black minidress girl today.

Her: what's up ugly
Me: just goofing off at work
Me: and who you calling ugly! My mom tells me all the time I'm handsome.
Her: haha sure
Me: you headed to work yet?
Her: I'm barely gonna take a shower
Me: I'm about to get off, then hit the gym and have dinner. I live a healthy lifestyle.
Her: haha yeah I could tell *sarcasm*
Me: haha well good luck at work
Her: thanks same to you *kissey face*

Yeah kinda surprised she texted me and dont know what to make of the ugly remark but I just rolled with it. I still dont think ill ever meet up with her and dont plan on texting her, doesnt seem like shes taking me serious.

Haha just realized i accidentally butt dialed her, that explains her text.
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Hit up LA again last weekend. The 21 yr old was still in Florida, i guess she has family there. I hit up the other 25yr old LA girl whos a single mother and she said she didnt have money for a babysitter, pretty much blew me off. Fuck her. Friday night I hit up a club and stayed there until closing time. I talked to 3 girls and all rejected me. Just ended up getting drunk off my ass again.

Saturday pretty much the same shit, I hit up another club and approached 1 girl who was clearly not interested in me but was being polite and talked to me for a short while. She finally just walked off. I was feeling pretty shitty and ended up approaching a petite young looking girl, she was 21, pretty face, petite body but nice perky ass. Only knock was some ugly tattoos she had. I was drunk at this point and i grabbed her face and went for the kiss which she half heartedly responded to, i think she gave me a little tounge action though. Dont remember. It was a short kiss. The bar was closing, lights were coming on and she asked me to get her number but my fucking phone was dead!..so was hers!! and we were getting kicked out so I couldnt get her number and just bounced. Fuck could have been a good lead.

Also spent about $800, damn going out in socal is expensive.
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RE: Early 30s newbie
^ Few things:

1) Is the $800 spent including food/hotel or is that just on drinks/nightlife? If it is the latter, clearly you're doing something wrong. I almost never spend more than $150 in a night here and I party pretty hard. The exception is bottle service but even that usually isn't more than $500 unless you're solo at a high-end spot (not a good idea). If you're ordering 10+ drinks a night just pregame or bring a flask. Or, just avoid drinking that many drinks (more on this later).

2) Clubs are a numbers game more than any other type of venue. You make lots of approaches, and if she's talking with you for more than 5 mins she is interested, then you basically just escalate asap. You talked to 3 girls and that was it for the night? Bro, at clubs I usually open 3 girls in 5 minutes if I'm getting blown out each time. On a night that I don't pull, I consider it a failure if I don't make 10 approaches at minimum.

3) You really need to work on your inner game. You clearly have a negative dialogue with yourself where you believe that any rejection from a chick is just another piece of evidence that you're unattractive, which then leads you to curl into a cocoon (figuratively) and just get wasted. You really shouldn't think this way. Based on my reading of the thread, you are clearly able to get some initial attraction with girls much younger than you, including some physical escalation, but are struggling to close. This could be due to your logistics or even due to being hammered. When I'm wasted, it makes me better at opening girls but wrecks me with closing. 4-6 drinks over the course of the night is usually the sweet spot.

Otherwise, happy to see you putting yourself out there man. Feel free to ask me if you have questions about specific spots.
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(04-29-2019 05:29 PM)RDF Wrote:  ^ Few things:

1) Is the $800 spent including food/hotel or is that just on drinks/nightlife? If it is the latter, clearly you're doing something wrong. I almost never spend more than $150 in a night here and I party pretty hard. The exception is bottle service but even that usually isn't more than $500 unless you're solo at a high-end spot (not a good idea). If you're ordering 10+ drinks a night just pregame or bring a flask. Or, just avoid drinking that many drinks (more on this later).

2) Clubs are a numbers game more than any other type of venue. You make lots of approaches, and if she's talking with you for more than 5 mins she is interested, then you basically just escalate asap. You talked to 3 girls and that was it for the night? Bro, at clubs I usually open 3 girls in 5 minutes if I'm getting blown out each time. On a night that I don't pull, I consider it a failure if I don't make 10 approaches at minimum.

3) You really need to work on your inner game. You clearly have a negative dialogue with yourself where you believe that any rejection from a chick is just another piece of evidence that you're unattractive, which then leads you to curl into a cocoon (figuratively) and just get wasted. You really shouldn't think this way. Based on my reading of the thread, you are clearly able to get some initial attraction with girls much younger than you, including some physical escalation, but are struggling to close. This could be due to your logistics or even due to being hammered. When I'm wasted, it makes me better at opening girls but wrecks me with closing. 4-6 drinks over the course of the night is usually the sweet spot.

Otherwise, happy to see you putting yourself out there man. Feel free to ask me if you have questions about specific spots.

1. Yeah its including hotel and food. I spend about $200 per night on drinks. I cant drink less, once I'm out in a club I get triggered to drink non-stop.

2 & 3. You nailed it man. I shutdown when i get rejected, i just cant keep going since the rejections pretty much validate all the negative thoughts i have about myself, which are NOT unfounded. Let me remind you Ive legit had girls tell me to my face im ugly. I'm trying to overcome that.

Ive still been texting the 21yr old LA girl, she sent me a message last week telling me shes back in LA. I just said cool and asked about her vacation. I got another text from her again today,

Her: When are you coming to LA?
Her: *waiting emoji*
Me: Im going this weekend. Your going to be there right?
Her: Yeah
Me: Good and what are we gonna do?
Me: I want to hit up the exchange(club in LA)
Her: Yeah i heard its good
Me: Will you be free this weekend, so we can go.
Her: Yeah
Her: Honestly i do miss you. And im not just saying that, but i had fun hanging out with you.
Me: Yeah I really enjoyed hanging out with you too. Its been a while since i met a girl i liked. *smiley emoji*
Her: good! *smiley emoji*

So shes been the one initiating most of the contact and Im taken aback by her saying she "misses me" since we only hung out 1 weekend. Im pretty sure she does like me but you never know with girls. She could be running some type of game on me since she knows I make good money. I do know from stalking her Instagram and Facebook that she doesn't talk to guys, it seems like its mostly family and female friends. Probably has something to do with her strict dad. Anyway I guess I'll find out more about her intentions this weekend, i just hope they're as pure as mine.
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Man fuck that bitch!..I got to LA Friday and, she was down to go out so we hit up a bar which was whack, then we went to another place which was better but still kinda dead. Then She started saying she was tired at like 10pm and then that she was going home in an hour. I got agitated cuz she was being boring and i just said well let's leave now. She parked her car in my hotel so we went back and she went in my room, we started talking and again she starts talking about her problems, how her dad abandoned her and her mom hates her, she said her dad beat her once and put her in the hospital, that her brother is a loser..she was about to cry again but stopped short. I felt bad for her but shit man I thought I was gonna get laid, I escalated but she wasnt having it and said she had to leave. Man I'm just a toy to this bitch, she dont give a fuck about me, probably doesnt even like me. Probably wont hit her up next time. Thing that sucks is shes my ONLY lead I have so starting again from zero. Sad
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(05-11-2019 04:20 PM)cruzinV Wrote:  Man fuck that bitch!..I got to LA Friday and, she was down to go out so we hit up a bar which was whack, then we went to another place which was better but still kinda dead. Then She started saying she was tired at like 10pm and then that she was going home in an hour. I got agitated cuz she was being boring and i just said well let's leave now. She parked her car in my hotel so we went back and she went in my room, we started talking and again she starts talking about her problems, how her dad abandoned her and her mom hates her, she said her dad beat her once and put her in the hospital, that her brother is a loser..she was about to cry again but stopped short. I felt bad for her but shit man I thought I was gonna get laid, I escalated but she wasnt having it and said she had to leave. Man I'm just a toy to this bitch, she dont give a fuck abt me, probably doesnt even like me. Probably wont hit her up next time. Thing that sucks is shes my ONLY lead I have so starting again from zero. Sad

On the plus side you got by to zero by cutting a bad lead. Headcases happen.
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(05-11-2019 04:20 PM)cruzinV Wrote:  Man fuck that bitch!..I got to LA Friday and, she was down to go out so we hit up a bar which was whack, then we went to another place which was better but still kinda dead. Then She started saying she was tired at like 10pm and then that she was going home in an hour. I got agitated cuz she was being boring and i just said well let's leave now. She parked her car in my hotel so we went back and she went in my room, we started talking and again she starts talking about her problems, how her dad abandoned her and her mom hates her, she said her dad beat her once and put her in the hospital, that her brother is a loser..she was about to cry again but stopped short. I felt bad for her but shit man I thought I was gonna get laid, I escalated but she wasnt having it and said she had to leave. Man I'm just a toy to this bitch, she dont give a fuck about me, probably doesnt even like me. Probably wont hit her up next time. Thing that sucks is shes my ONLY lead I have so starting again from zero. Sad

One thing is to look inside. Have you considered the possibility that you fucked up ?
Instead of labelling the girl a bitch, it would be more constructive to say there is 50 % chance she is bitch and 50% chance you fucked up.

I am saying this from my experience . I labelled so many girls as attention whores and accused them of toying with them. But when I gained more experience and looked back , I found that I am the one who fucked up due to lack of knowledge. Don't get me wrong, attention whore exists , but as a newbie you will mistakenly label some girls as attention whore because you think you are doing everything right. And this would be the only explanation that make sense to you.

I'll give you example from my real life. I met with a tinder girl ( 19 yo, 5' 10" at least ). I was 28 at the time and I am 5'6". I met her in the cafe spent an hour or so. Then we went to a club she didn't like it. While leaving the club, I offered to go home with me she said "No." I didn't react at all. I drove her back to her car at the cafe .While dropping her off my car, we made out and then we went home we fucked.

Lesson: I didn't get agitated when she said" no" to my invitation .

Have you ever considered that when you agitated she thought of you as a weak person ?
Have you considered that she might have needed more comfort ?
Have you considered she might have thought of as a needy person because you traveled to see her ?
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(05-08-2019 05:09 PM)cruzinV Wrote:  Her: When are you coming to LA?
Her: *waiting emoji*
Me: Im going this weekend. Your going to be there right?
Her: Yeah
Me: Good and what are we gonna do?
Me: I want to hit up the exchange(club in LA)
Her: Yeah i heard its good
Me: Will you be free this weekend, so we can go. (1)
Her: Yeah
Her: Honestly i do miss you. And im not just saying that, but i had fun hanging out with you.
Me: Yeah I really enjoyed hanging out with you too. Its been a while since i met a girl i liked. *smiley emoji* (2)
Her: good! *smiley emoji*

I am not putting you down, man. The way I see it, it is more beneficial to assume there was attraction and you fucked it up than to assume she was playing games. Why ! because if you went down with "playing games" mentality, you will never learn . It is going to " it is her fault " I hope you see where I am heading with this.

Now, lets have a look at your text game .

1- Assume she is free for you. Ask and demand. I would do it like this " Hey, I am going to club exchange , let's go together " . You can go bolder " Hey btw, I and you are going to club exchange on Saturday "

2- Too needy . "It has been a while" statement is putting her on pedestal . The reply should be " I enjoyed hanging out with you out "

As for the part did she like you or not ?
Girls and ppl can lie in text messages and lie with their mouths but they can't lie with their body language . She doesn't have to say it . You have to able to read in her eyes and in her face.
Read some books on body language to get an idea how to detect attraction in girls.
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(05-11-2019 04:20 PM)cruzinV Wrote:  Man fuck that bitch!..I got to LA Friday and, she was down to go out so we hit up a bar which was whack, then we went to another place which was better but still kinda dead. Then She started saying she was tired at like 10pm and then that she was going home in an hour. I got agitated cuz she was being boring and i just said well let's leave now. She parked her car in my hotel so we went back and she went in my room, we started talking and again she starts talking about her problems, how her dad abandoned her and her mom hates her, she said her dad beat her once and put her in the hospital, that her brother is a loser..she was about to cry again but stopped short. I felt bad for her but shit man I thought I was gonna get laid, I escalated but she wasnt having it and said she had to leave. Man I'm just a toy to this bitch, she dont give a fuck about me, probably doesnt even like me. Probably wont hit her up next time. Thing that sucks is shes my ONLY lead I have so starting again from zero. Sad


https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-14257...pid1891236

See what Giovenny did to get the bang when the girl complaint about her boss. He comforted her .
Have you tried to so the same ?

-All what I am saying here I have been in the same boat like you before and I was annoyed and saying girls play with me . While I was the one who doesn't know how to play.


- Bold part: zero calibration. She got emotional and about to cry and you escalated !! What did you expect ? You should have comforted her, tried to connect a little bit on the emotional level and then took it from there. I am not saying being her gay best friend I am saying connect emotionally. Actually most probable she will be more valunberable after a little bit of comfort , she will think both of you are connected .
I can go on and on into details where you fucked up , but let you look at in retrospect and find the mistakes
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It seems you are giving off a desperate, needy vibe. That's understandable based on your struggles, but it makes it extremely hard to succeed with women.

Your text game is definitely saying that you need her. It has to instead say that you simply want her.

You need to adjust your frame with women - from "I need you in order to be happy/validated" to "I already have a cool life, I would like you to join it. I'll be fine either way."

Next time you invite a girl to go clubbing say something along the lines of "I'm going to club x on Friday, I want you to join me."

Body language is key. Look and feel confident. Cliche, but let's go deeper... Confidence isn't about being certain. Certainly is impossible in this world. Confidence is the belief that you can handle anything that comes your way and be totally fine. That you can handle the uncertain, future outcomes. Project this.

Anchor Man is right - you should not have escalated while she was talking about her problems (which do sound legitimate). I'm sure you realize it was a mistake, but you just got frustrated and made a last ditch effort.

This girl seems unsalvageable based on your cumulative experiences with her, so best to move on and do better with the next one.

You will need to fake it till you make it a bit, but you have to try to maintain a positive, idgaf attitude in order to end your struggles and attain lasting success.

Start doing day approaches, if you haven't already, and report back.

Good luck.
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@Anchorman, I dont think I came off as needy, if anything she was being needy since she asked me when I was returning to LA and saying she missed me. Also she text me on friday asking if I was still planning to go. And This is the second time she unloads her emotional problems on me and I did comfort her and gave her advice etc. I only tried to escalate once she was over it.

This is the third time ive hung out with her and to be honest I only had fun the first time, shes just a boring ass emotional girl. I playfully called her out the next day and she admitted shes not a fun person and apologized for getting emotional. We are in good terms but I dont think I'll call her again, mainly because shes just no fun plain and simple.
05-12-2019 04:40 PM
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(05-12-2019 04:40 PM)cruzinV Wrote:  @Anchorman, I dont think I came off as needy, if anything she was being needy since she asked me when I was returning to LA and saying she missed me. Also she text me on friday asking if I was still planning to go. And This is the second time she unloads her emotional problems on me and I did comfort her and gave her advice etc. I only tried to escalate once she was over it.

This is the third time ive hung out with her and to be honest I only had fun the first time, shes just a boring ass emotional girl. I playfully called her out the next day and she admitted shes not a fun person and apologized for getting emotional. We are in good terms but I dont think I'll call her again, mainly because shes just no fun plain and simple.

You are missing the point. If she acts needy once and twice , it is not an excuse for you to act so. Girls are supposed to needy and submissive.

I wasn't there with you guys to judge, but based on the text message you sent you sounded like a needy one.

How many guys in this forum would text message a girl he hasn't fucked "Its been a while since i met a girl I liked " ?
Does this communicate you have a lot of good options ?

Actually, it is easier to fake "nonneediness" in text message than in a real life.

For the comfort part, I will give you that.

Dude, still she could be crazy bitch. You could have done everything right and still couldn't bang her. I hear bro.

But think about it, she texted you twice, she went out with you, and she bounced back to your hotel room.
Chances are she is/was into you. I said chances because no one will know for sure.
I am telling you I was newbie one day, putting the blame only on girls will not do you any good in the long term
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@anchorman you could be right, and I admit my text game is pretty weak.

Anyway on saturday I went out with more motivation to game since I knew the 21yr old was a lost cause. I pregamed at a asian fusion bar in the evening, there was some decent talent. After a couple beers I scoped out two girls eating at the bar, the one i liked was mexican, tan skin, face was pretty like a solid 7, nice butt and tits. I go order another beer to get closer and I asked her how the food was, she was responsive but didnt seem too interested. I asked her what she was doing later and she said shes going to see the avengers movie with her friend. I told her I was going clubbing later that they should join me, she wasnt sure if she was going out or not so I just asked for her number and told her to hit me up if she decides to go out. I knew it was a long shot, and maybe kinda forced because of the failure with the 21yr old. This girl was 21 also btw. So I bounced and hit up a club at like 11pm, I was just scoping out any targets, some guys saw that I was alone a tried to talk to me but I blew them off I wanted to game. I go order a beer and I notice a petite girl next to me, very pretty face, and perfect little body, solid 7.5 maybe soft 8. I tapped her on the shoulder and she turns around and I just say hi remember me?. Shes like no, but smiles. I then said oh I think I confused you, and she says well I have bad memory anyway. I tell her if she smokes a lot of weed then she lifts up her shirt and shows me a weed tattoo on her ribcage. We start laughing and I buy her a drink, I was getting good vibes so I say let's find a place to sit. She agrees and we just start talking, shes actually kinda chatty and were exchanging stories and what not. She said she got kicked out of a bar 2 weeks ago for fighting a girl and her toe got fractured. She seemed pretty wild but in a fun way. We start touching each others hands and I go in for the makeout which she responds to pretty well, there was decent tounge action. Her face was so pretty and I go in for a handful of her perfectly round ass, she had no issues with me grabbing on her. I feel my phone vibrate and see i get a text from the mexican girl saying what I'm doing. I ignore it since I'm already busy with the girl. We hang out for like 1.5 hours having a few makeout sessions and i ask for her number since it was nearing last call. I say bye to her and i get an uber back to my hotel. I get a text from her asking if I got home safe and we text for a while before going to sleep. I hit up the mexican girl this morning and told her i went to a club and didnt see her text. She said she went out clubbing too. I said something else but she hasn't responded. I also sent some texts to the wild girl but she hasnt responded to my last one. The wild girl might be a good lead, i could tell she liked me, the other girl I got a feeling shes gonna ghost. Anyway pretty good rebound night after my boring ass friday.
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RE: Early 30s newbie
it all comes down to being JUST THERE and not thinking about who likes you and who doesn't.

the YOU doesn't even exist so why does the brain think about it?

the body can dance to the music. the hand can pour a beer into the mouth. this can be all done without the YOU.

done correctly giving a fuck or not giving a fuck doesn't exist because the YOU doesn't exist in the first place.
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^ humours though he is the pseudo Buddhist peptalker should be on the fast track to ban town
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Damn wild girl never replied to my last text, I thought she might be a good lead but I know not replying is a bad sign. Should i text her again or just say fuck it? I dont know if plowing thru and forcing something with a girl is a good investment, seems like your better off just letting the girls weed themselves out.

On a better note, the mexican girl did reply albeit 24 hours later, she said we should hang out next time im in LA. I dont know if she means it or not since she doesnt seem keen to text, but we shall see.

Man i should really be focusing on my city though, LA is over 2 hour drive and its expensive there. Need to find some local prospects.

So far since Ive started my renewed game journey, ive gotten 11 numbers but only managed 1 date and 0 lays. so im 1/11 for dates, and 0/11 for lays. I know i should be collecting more numbers and approaching more, etc. but im still getting over my bad approach anxiety, ive been lessening it with drugs but I know thats not a sensible solution.
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(05-16-2019 02:34 PM)cruzinV Wrote:  Damn wild girl never replied to my last text, I thought she might be a good lead but I know not replying is a bad sign. Should i text her again or just say fuck it? I dont know if plowing thru and forcing something with a girl is a good investment, seems like your better off just letting the girls weed themselves out.

On a better note, the mexican girl did reply albeit 24 hours later, she said we should hang out next time im in LA. I dont know if she means it or not since she doesnt seem keen to text, but we shall see.

Man i should really be focusing on my city though, LA is over 2 hour drive and its expensive there. Need to find some local prospects.

So far since Ive started my renewed game journey, ive gotten 11 numbers but only managed 1 date and 0 lays. so im 1/11 for dates, and 0/11 for lays. I know i should be collecting more numbers and approaching more, etc. but im still getting over my bad approach anxiety, ive been lessening it with drugs but I know thats not a sensible solution.

I wouldn't text again, work the mexican lead for sure. It's always nice to have some girls on the back burner while the more receptive girls get priority.

I just wanted to chime in on the looks thing - what kind of style do you have? You're tall, workout, and have an amazing ability to get over approach anxiety and hit up all kinds of girls. From what I've noticed, if a guy is a little rough looking, he might be better off playing into that. IE: go for a more rugged look, maybe some stubble/facial hair, grow out your hair, give off a wild man vibe or something haha There's an actor named Michael Shannon, not conventionally good looking. But he's tall, intense, and when he has a patchy beard and greasy hair, he looks like a badass. (One of the best actors working today too).

Also, as far as your close rate goes. I remember reading a post a long long time ago from the legendary G, and he said with about 220 approaches, he only closed 10%. This is a guy with fly style, large bank roll, good looks, etc. Granted, he was probably chatting up fly models..but still.
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(05-16-2019 06:17 PM)?Kick Wrote:  I wouldn't text again, work the mexican lead for sure. It's always nice to have some girls on the back burner while the more receptive girls get priority.

I just wanted to chime in on the looks thing - what kind of style do you have? You're tall, workout, and have an amazing ability to get over approach anxiety and hit up all kinds of girls. From what I've noticed, if a guy is a little rough looking, he might be better off playing into that. IE: go for a more rugged look, maybe some stubble/facial hair, grow out your hair, give off a wild man vibe or something haha There's an actor named Michael Shannon, not conventionally good looking. But he's tall, intense, and when he has a patchy beard and greasy hair, he looks like a badass. (One of the best actors working today too).

Also, as far as your close rate goes. I remember reading a post a long long time ago from the legendary G, and he said with about 220 approaches, he only closed 10%. This is a guy with fly style, large bank roll, good looks, etc. Granted, he was probably chatting up fly models..but still.

My style is good but neutral, meaning no custom suits or nice fitted blazers. My face is too ugly to pull that off and I will just look tryhard. This is my typical style i go out with, jeans, button-down or t-shirt/polo and some boots or sneakers. I would grow facial hair if i could, but sadly dont have the genetics.

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(05-16-2019 08:28 PM)cruzinV Wrote:  
(05-16-2019 06:17 PM)?Kick Wrote:  I wouldn't text again, work the mexican lead for sure. It's always nice to have some girls on the back burner while the more receptive girls get priority.

I just wanted to chime in on the looks thing - what kind of style do you have? You're tall, workout, and have an amazing ability to get over approach anxiety and hit up all kinds of girls. From what I've noticed, if a guy is a little rough looking, he might be better off playing into that. IE: go for a more rugged look, maybe some stubble/facial hair, grow out your hair, give off a wild man vibe or something haha There's an actor named Michael Shannon, not conventionally good looking. But he's tall, intense, and when he has a patchy beard and greasy hair, he looks like a badass. (One of the best actors working today too).

Also, as far as your close rate goes. I remember reading a post a long long time ago from the legendary G, and he said with about 220 approaches, he only closed 10%. This is a guy with fly style, large bank roll, good looks, etc. Granted, he was probably chatting up fly models..but still.

My style is good but neutral, meaning no custom suits or nice fitted blazers. My face is too ugly to pull that off and I will just look tryhard. This is my typical style i go out with, jeans, button-down or t-shirt/polo and some boots or sneakers. I would grow facial hair if i could, but sadly dont have the genetics.

You might want to give a fitted jacket of some sort a try. If you go for an offbeat fabric like seersucker it will clearly not be a formal garment, but it can up your look thrown over a t-shirt.
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