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What if you don't need orgasms? Thoughts on sexual transmutation.
I'm nearly 5-6 weeks into a NoFap cycle. It's been great, you've already heard all the benefits.

I feel completely different. It's like a deep fog has been lifted over my life, and I'm truly starting to believe the hype behind sexual transmutation.

I have made more money, been more productive, made great progress in the gym, and have been handling a pretty bad emotional situation much better than I ever would have otherwise.

The most odd side effect: I no longer sit around daydreaming about sex. I'm not crusing Tinder all day. I'm not looking at bitches' Instagram pages to try to holler at them. My desire to chase pussy has pretty much gone to 0. Yet, I'm still getting it. This is not a bad thing, really.

If I want sex, I'm getting it. I've been with plenty of girls, been running game about 3 years, and in my mid-20's. My T levels are pretty high, 705 ng/dl total and 36 pg/ml free, so I don't think it's that.

Here's my question: everytime I bust a load, I honestly feel pretty tired and drained afterwards. The best I felt was when I didn't ejaculate for 9 days. Now, it's been about once or twice a week.

I'd like to cut it out altogether for a while, and see what happens. I've managed to have sex without doing it a few times recently, which has been cool too. I usually end up going and doing something highly productive afterwards.

I'm asking, who has abstained from ejaculation altogether for a set period of time, and what was your experience?
02-23-2019 04:21 PM
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RE: What if you don't need orgasms? Thoughts on sexual transmutation.
Yeah,

The longest I've gone is around 25 days. The amount of energy I felt was crazy. Although I didn't use it in the best manner possible. I honestly cared less about what others thought. I remember going to a nightclub and dancing my ass off. By the end of the night there were multiple girls trying to grind up on me.

Semen has the power to create another life, that is powerful. I can't say for certain, but through my own experience the worst I feel is after ejaculating multiple times in a day and the best I have felt is after abstaining from all ejaculation for more than a week. Is it a placebo effect? Who knows.

There is a book on this, it's called the coiled serpent....you can find it on google. It has a lot of spiritual wooh wooh talk, but you get the basic jist of it in the first couple chapters. Only way to know for sure is to test!
02-23-2019 04:58 PM
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RE: What if you don't need orgasms? Thoughts on sexual transmutation.
Its called Tantric sex.

Its great.
More guys should practice it but its very very difficult to break the habit and the natural feeling that comes with ejaculation.

We are conditioned to behave a certain way sexually and its very tough to see things differently.

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RE: What if you don't need orgasms? Thoughts on sexual transmutation.
I personally believe it’s an evolutionary thing. The males that aren’t strong enough to breed don’t breed. so nature kinda made it to where if u don’t bust one, then u get a certain boost. That’s my beliefs anyway.
I like to think of it like this, a bull might want to mate but the alpha buck bull isn’t having anybody take his cows from him. So that weaker bull is going to have to get stronger and meaner in order to take on the alpha bull. He wouldn’t have the desire or strength to do so if bulls could masturbate so all he can do is hold it in until he can match the alpha.

I mean think of it like this, there are so many benefits of staying away from sex and fapping. More focus, more energy, willpower boost, higher drive, and I’m sure there are certain pheromones released not to mention the dopamine reset.
02-23-2019 07:43 PM
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RE: What if you don't need orgasms? Thoughts on sexual transmutation.
(02-23-2019 04:58 PM)Nolimitz Wrote:  Semen has the power to create another life, that is powerful.

That is too real, I love it!

So one of my best friends has been ahead of the curve for as long as I've known him, before I had heard or knew about the RP, game, Roosh, anything in this sphere he was going to mall to cold approach or doing it at the grocery store. He has turned me on to a lot of really good ideas and ways of doing things.

Anyway, his new thing is semen retention. He makes an excellent case for it: how nowadays we are bombarded with sexual imagery, fapping on the reg is commonplace, casual sex is commonplace, basically men are being sapped of their sexual energy (by their own free will, but as most will know it is very difficult to do no fap and keep your sexual urges in check in this super sexualized culture these days). He maintains that by jerking off or fucking girls you are sending signals to your brain that basically say "OK, I have fulfilled my biological imperative by fucking a girl and breeding, so I'm good, I can relax a little bit." This leads to comfort and complacency and not living up to our full potential. Kind of like how if you fap all the time your going to be was less driven to go out and approach, etc.

He tells me his new quest is to be able to orgasm without blowing a load, of which there are apparently tantric teachings and info on the internet to achieve this. He also says that by not busting your load with a girl, you never get that massive chemical dump in your brain, and thus you won't used to the pleasure chemicals and thus get over having sex with her (I'm a little doubtful on this myself.)

I think there is a lot to be said for semen retention. I'm pretty good about not jerking off but I lose plenty of jizz and sexual energy when I hang with my girl once or twice a week. In my experience when I didn't have an LTR or and easy release for sex I was hustling way harder.
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RE: What if you don't need orgasms? Thoughts on sexual transmutation.
I feel way more alive and full of energy when I'm fucking and busting nuts. Just having sex has a stimulating effect on me and makes me feel like a damn animal. That's why I get no fap/no orgasm in theory but not in practice.
02-25-2019 09:31 PM
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RE: What if you don't need orgasms? Thoughts on sexual transmutation.
When I was 17-18 I went over a year.... several times since them I have gone over a month.

If you loose a lot of energy you might have post orgasmic illness syndrome...

Anyways. I have heard and researched the tantric methods... it seems the current consensus is it’s can be unhealthy to hold in your ejaculation.
02-25-2019 09:49 PM
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RE: What if you don't need orgasms? Thoughts on sexual transmutation.
I have recently started practicing semen retention. Ive gone for a few times of obky about a week. Im going to go for 90 days. Nalolean Hill s book think and grow rich touches on how important sexual transmutation is.

My research indicates that prolonged semen retention results in one of three outcomes.

1. You fail and bust a nut

2. You become extremely frustrated and channel the energy in a negative way or look for pussy to find a release.
3. You learn to transmute the energy to productive endeavors like business, physical fitness etc.

I am launching a business and in the midst of transforming myself physically. I look forward to learning and practicing more about this concept of semen retention and sexual energy transmutation.
05-06-2019 03:58 PM
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RE: What if you don't need orgasms? Thoughts on sexual transmutation.
Listen to General Ripper. You must deny women your vital bodily fluids and your life essence.



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RE: What if you don't need orgasms? Thoughts on sexual transmutation.
This whole nofap stuff is way over hyped. I never jerked off until I was 21, and now do it regularly. There is barely a difference, maybe a bit less energy and motivation
05-08-2019 01:02 AM
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RE: What if you don't need orgasms? Thoughts on sexual transmutation.
A mans life.

How do you know its overhyped if you never practiced semen retention since being an adult for extended periods and freely admit to a loss of energy and motivation? Sounds like bro science.
05-08-2019 02:25 AM
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RE: What if you don't need orgasms? Thoughts on sexual transmutation.
(05-06-2019 03:58 PM)Iconoclast007 Wrote:  I have recently started practicing semen retention. Ive gone for a few times of obky about a week. Im going to go for 90 days. Nalolean Hill s book think and grow rich touches on how important sexual transmutation is.

My research indicates that prolonged semen retention results in one of three outcomes.

1. You fail and bust a nut

2. You become extremely frustrated and channel the energy in a negative way or look for pussy to find a release.
3. You learn to transmute the energy to productive endeavors like business, physical fitness etc.

I am launching a business and in the midst of transforming myself physically. I look forward to learning and practicing more about this concept of semen retention and sexual energy transmutation.

Timely post. I concur 100% with the above. I am all ears for tips upon how to channel this energy into business or fitness rather than cruising dating sites as a soft alternative to watching porn.

Tantric is definately a thing. I can feel an amazing, buzzing feeling when my girl and I are lying on top of each other but with no penetration, and so can she. You can kind of 'summon' it up and intensify it. With penetration, but no stimulation (and soft junk), we've achieved some kind of alternative orgasm. Fuck, now I sound like some hippy douchebag. Like Kinjutsu says though, it's really hard not to just start thrusting and bust a nut.

Anyone who just dismisses it, says they watch porn and fuck bitches and anything else is bullshit- I feel sorry for you. There's so much more out there.

Has anybody here experimented with tantric kind of shit and mushrooms or weed with a girl?

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RE: What if you don't need orgasms? Thoughts on sexual transmutation.
I am new to this but I will share wjat I am doing.

When I start getting blue balls I sit in a quiet space and start meditating. I squeeze my ass muscles and envision condensing the energy in my balls and slowly pushing it up my spinal cord to my brain. I then focus on the energy that has moved to my brain being focused on productive endeavors.

I have paired this practice with Autosuggestion. I have written down affirmations of my goals by the emd of the year physically and with Business. I read and internize these goals every morning and every night before bed.

When you hit about 7 days your testosterone will spike and you will get really horny. This is the time to really focus as by day 10 or so things stabilize and you start cruising
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RE: What if you don't need orgasms? Thoughts on sexual transmutation.
Yeah it does make a difference in terms of more energy and motivation. I just think it is hyped to be this life changing thing. Sometimes it helps to jerk off, like right before a job interview.
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RE: What if you don't need orgasms? Thoughts on sexual transmutation.
A Mans Life:

How in the hell does it help to jerk off before a job interview?

Is more energy and motivation not life changing?

Your comments are contradictory and lack intrinsic value.Your brain is likely confused and cloudy from too much ejaculation. You are a posterCHILD for the benefits of semen retention and sexual transmutation.

After reading your other posts...
You are a fucking troll and should be banned.
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RE: What if you don't need orgasms? Thoughts on sexual transmutation.
Jerking off is fine in moderation but I’ve found that it’s smart to limit it...because you never know when you are going to need a nut
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RE: What if you don't need orgasms? Thoughts on sexual transmutation.
personally, I've noticed a huge difference. Even Just a couple days in.
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RE: What if you don't need orgasms? Thoughts on sexual transmutation.
I have just started experimenting with this stuff.
I have been having sex with my girlfriend and intentionally not cumming.
How to do it is I stop thrusting well before the point of no return, and when doing this I will rub my fingers cross her body and do a similiar breathing exercise that lconoclast007 has suggested.
I haven’t made it any longer than 4 days yet (we have sex morning and night, weekends sometimes during the day) but the orgasms I have been having on the 4th day have been super intense.
On top of this I have noticed more energy, but not sure if it is the placebo (if it is I’ll take it).
Now, my gf is to totally on board with what I’m doing here, I don’t think she quite knows why, but I think she knows a man with a loaded gun is dangerous. Since starting semen retention she is much more enthusiastic in sex (using her nails for stimulation), and blows me without having to ask. As this is my first LTR I was still struggling with generating dread (everyone sus that’s harder to do), but without rooting my horn and getting excited too early, I think I may have stumbled upon a new technique that could be effective at implementing dread.
I would be interested to hear back from any of the veterans about this.
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RE: What if you don't need orgasms? Thoughts on sexual transmutation.
I have just started experimenting with this stuff.
I have been having sex with my girlfriend and intentionally not cumming.
How to do it is I stop thrusting well before the point of no return, and when doing this I will rub my fingers cross her body and do a similiar breathing exercise that lconoclast007 has suggested.
I haven’t made it any longer than 4 days yet (we have sex morning and night, weekends sometimes during the day) but the orgasms I have been having on the 4th day have been super intense.
On top of this I have noticed more energy, but not sure if it is the placebo (if it is I’ll take it).
Now, my gf is to totally on board with what I’m doing here, I don’t think she quite knows why, but I think she knows a man with a loaded gun is dangerous. Since starting semen retention she is much more enthusiastic in sex (using her nails for stimulation), and blows me without having to ask. As this is my first LTR I was still struggling with generating dread (everyone sus that’s harder to do), but without rooting my horn and getting excited too early, I think I may have stumbled upon a new technique that could be effective at implementing dread.
I would be interested to hear back from any of the veterans about this.
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RE: What if you don't need orgasms? Thoughts on sexual transmutation.
Its True. If you maintain frame and bring in your main girl onboard with semen retention and dictate that she will not be getting your nut... Women react very positively to the concept. This hinges on your ability to hold your nut. If your fail she will judge you as weak. Over time it will become something she craves. Deny her your essense! A mans nut is sacred.

The key is to RELAX. Tension causes orgasm. We are acustomed to seeking orgasm and tension seems natural. Instead strive to seek pleasure and relax. If you start feeling close to orgasm STOP and let the energy reset to a lower level.

At some point you have to stop stimulating and ypu will be left with a very high level of sex energy. At this point it is imperative to redirect the energy as previously mentioned or you will be left ftustrated.
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(05-18-2019 05:34 AM)Iconoclast007 Wrote:  A mans nut is sacred.

This is the only forum I know where such a sentence might be uttered.

That's not how we do things in Russia, comrade.

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RE: What if you don't need orgasms? Thoughts on sexual transmutation.
I think no porn and nofap is a good thing. I practice that.

However, I think it is best to have orgasms in sex with a woman or women. I think it is good to have as many as possible. An orgasm from sex is a good orgasm. An orgasm from porn and masturbation is not good.

I had a physical earlier this year and my T levels were over 750, and I was proud of that. I think no porn and no fap helped with my T levels, along with usually sleeping 8-9 hours a night, avoiding any food with soy in it, and avoiding processed foods.
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