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(02-26-2019 11:26 AM)wellrockthecity Wrote:  Best lifestyle in the world, top notch free healthcare, safe and great food. I think worldwide only certain parts of Italy have a better quality of life but don't do Italy as girls are just not worth the headache there.

Colombia/Mexico are good but quality of life in Spain is better in every aspect but girls hotness/easyness, so it really depends on how important is that to you.

I was blown away by Andalucia. I've never seen a place where genuinely hot, outgoing women are so pervasive that they're even driving taxis, and Granada must be crazy when the university is in. There's a lot of potential there for someone who wants all the Western amenities at bargain prices.

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(02-26-2019 01:02 PM)Jetset Wrote:  and Granada must be crazy when the university is in. There's a lot of potential there for someone who wants all the Western amenities at bargain prices.


I absolutely love Granada! To me it has everything!

- Biggest Erasmus City in Spain! Girls from all over Europe, feeling like they are on a party holiday. A real player with decent night game will do very well.

- I've rented shared appartments for 200-400 euro. I like to live with flat mates. Having an own appartment is not that expensive either. But great to make friends, since 70% of the times you will be in an Erasmus style flat, and you already have an in. I guess you can live on 1000$/month here.

- Food is FREE if you order drinks!!! That's just incredible to me. Order a beer (or even a soda/water for 2 euro), and get a free tapas (snack) with it. Usually quite small, but I made a game out of finding the places that offer the most food. Some places give sandwiches, hamburgers, etc... you can eat quite decent in some places.

- The city is Amazing. It has the Alhambra, the main touristic attraction. City has a great vibe and a mix of Spanish/Arabic influences. City is honestly beautiful. Size is small.

- Exercise: You have the Sierra Nevada close by. There are enough parcs to run. I am not into fitness, but saw some decent/cheap gyms as well.
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Spain is a great shout.
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I wouldn't be down with a place that requires international health insurance. It just ends up being too expensive.

Spain can be an option, as long as you keep your income away from the tax man there.

I know a lot in Vietnam/Cambodia. If you have some extra cash, Thailand... (Chiang Mai).

For those of you in Eastern Europe have you looked at Montenegro? A friend is living there and has only good things to say... safe, cheap cost of living and easy enough to get residency if you want to be there legally.

Also, Azores in Portugal could be worth checking. There are special flight programs to the mainland for residents so it can be really affordable.
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(02-25-2019 08:27 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  I'm surprised to hear that; I've witnessed the exact opposite happen with Canadians. They will come to the US and pay out of their own pockets to get treatments that in the US one would think require extra urgency. In Canada they get put on wait lists or get run around in circles of never ending lab tests before their benevolent government gives them a "free" operation. But old Canadians in FL are famous for exaggerating the shit out of how wonderful the country they left behind really is. They could always just go back, yet they don't

I've literally never met a Canadian who stays in Florida all year, most of them leave in April and return in October or November, it's just too hot and humid there during the summer. This applies to northerners too from Michigan, New York, etc they all head back up north. As for the quality of our health care, it's not perfect but it is pretty damn good from what I've experienced and it's accessible to anyone. Again, if we're talking about getting ill or in an accident abroad, the US is one of the last places I'd want that to occur in, even if they have some some of the best health care facilities in the world, a broken arm can set you back $10,000 or more from what I understand.

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(02-27-2019 03:15 PM)scotian Wrote:  ...a broken arm can set you back $10,000 or more from what I understand.

^that's what the bill will read, but that isn't what the insurance company actually pays. It's a complicated negotiation game, but it's also why if you want to just pay out of pocket for treatment you're not going to get any advantage - they'll just charge you the full rate since you have no bargaining power like the insurance companies do. Cost competition has been completely removed and the patients have no idea and care not a whit about saving money. They just expect insurance - provided by their work - to deal with it.

Small businesses get fucked even worse now under Obamacare, which would have been partially uninstalled had McCain not sold out at the last minute. Fucker had to get one last jab in before he croaked.

Even if you don't have insurance and are flat broke they can't turn you away from the emergency rooms. Plenty of illegal immigrants take full advantage of this mess, get treated and never pay their bills, all without consequences. Gets passed on to everyone else.

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(02-27-2019 03:15 PM)scotian Wrote:  
(02-25-2019 08:27 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  I'm surprised to hear that; I've witnessed the exact opposite happen with Canadians. They will come to the US and pay out of their own pockets to get treatments that in the US one would think require extra urgency. In Canada they get put on wait lists or get run around in circles of never ending lab tests before their benevolent government gives them a "free" operation. But old Canadians in FL are famous for exaggerating the shit out of how wonderful the country they left behind really is. They could always just go back, yet they don't

I've literally never met a Canadian who stays in Florida all year, most of them leave in April and return in October or November, it's just too hot and humid there during the summer. This applies to northerners too from Michigan, New York, etc they all head back up north. As for the quality of our health care, it's not perfect but it is pretty damn good from what I've experienced and it's accessible to anyone. Again, if we're talking about getting ill or in an accident abroad, the US is one of the last places I'd want that to occur in, even if they have some some of the best health care facilities in the world, a broken arm can set you back $10,000 or more from what I understand.
Isn't that because Canadians are only allowed to live there 6 months of the yr?
My father lives in century village in the winter. He says half the properties are bought by Canadians but they can't live there yr long. It is impossible.
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(02-25-2019 08:55 PM)Cation Wrote:  OP, what is your goal? Just to work in a cheap country, or to have some fun along the way?

Since I was in Lviv as well, I don't think it can get much better than Ukraine in terms of "best buy". The girls were not as hot as Serbian/Croatian girls, but the cost of restaurant food, transport, alcohol and accommodation was dirt cheap.

Of course, India or Moldova are even cheaper than Ukraine, but why bother living in a shithole just to save a few hundred a month? Fuck that.
If Moldova is a shithole than Ukraine is also or at least very near of being one.

As for Ukraine, for sure the average of Ukrainian girls in Kiev is better than the average you get in Serbia and Croatia.

There are differences between serbian and croatian girls and should not be grouped in one.

In average, croatian girls in Slavonia are lighter and have more central europan features than serbian females. They are also lower in quality.

Croatian girls in Dalmatia are swarthier but also better in quality than average serbian female.

As for the expenses, maybe 2-3 balkan countries might be cheaper than living in Kiev for example.
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(02-25-2019 08:10 PM)scotian Wrote:  ^Go to a world class hospital and get fixed for cheap, at least that how it is in Thailand, Philippines, Mexico and Colombia. You shouldn’t be abroad if you can’t afford basic travel health insurance and ideally you should have a credit card with a couple of grand on it “just in case.”

Honestly getting sick in the USA is a lot scarier financially, I spent a lot of time in a retirement community in Florida and all of the Canadians were very scared of that happening. If a Canadian has a heart attack down there, the insurance company will literally charter aprivate jet to get the hell out of there and back to the land of free health care.

+1000 Amazing how Americans think they have great healthcare when in reality the quality sucks and the cost is exorbitant. Ive had medical issues dealt with in Mexico Thailand and India. In every case I got fine care at reasonable prices.
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I can categorically say the US has the worst healthcare system in the developed world.

We pay 2.5x what Europeans do.

I am a diehard capitalist and believe the market should decide most things but not healthcare. Not only from a morale point of view, but it's so much more efficient to have one large public system. Cuts so much of the ridiculous bloat and buercracy of the insurance system.

Snywaus, cheap very liveable places for me are:

Spain and Portugal
Thailand

Great lifestyles.
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(02-27-2019 03:15 PM)scotian Wrote:  
(02-25-2019 08:27 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  I'm surprised to hear that; I've witnessed the exact opposite happen with Canadians. They will come to the US and pay out of their own pockets to get treatments that in the US one would think require extra urgency. In Canada they get put on wait lists or get run around in circles of never ending lab tests before their benevolent government gives them a "free" operation. But old Canadians in FL are famous for exaggerating the shit out of how wonderful the country they left behind really is. They could always just go back, yet they don't

I've literally never met a Canadian who stays in Florida all year, most of them leave in April and return in October or November, it's just too hot and humid there during the summer. This applies to northerners too from Michigan, New York, etc they all head back up north. As for the quality of our health care, it's not perfect but it is pretty damn good from what I've experienced and it's accessible to anyone. Again, if we're talking about getting ill or in an accident abroad, the US is one of the last places I'd want that to occur in, even if they have some some of the best health care facilities in the world, a broken arm can set you back $10,000 or more from what I understand.
Isn't that because Canadians are only allowed to live there 6 months of the yr?
My father lives in century village in the winter. He says half the properties are bought by Canadians but they can't live there yr long. It is impossible.

Ya I forgot about that so now I really don’t know wtf Slickyboy was saying when he wrote that Canuck snowbirds never go back, they legally have to, they just go south for nice weather and cheap booze.

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Places I've stayed with basic living costs per month.

I've added codes for tier (e.g. 1st, 2nd, 3rd tier) and for location A (center), B (close to center or secondary hub), C (distant from center), D (remote)

3A Zaječar, Serbia (basic): $300
1B Sofia, Bulgaria (comfortable): $800
4A Rural Slovenia (comfortable): $600
3D Novigrad, Croatia (comfortable): $600
4D Rural Vojvodina, Serbia (own house): $150
1B Zagreb, Croatia (comfortable): $800
1A Hong Kong (comfortable): $1,500
1B Singapore (comfortable): $1,500
1A Dhaka, Bangladesh (entry-level luxury): $800
2B Kazan, Russia (comfortable): $700
2C Sochi, Russia (comfortable): $800
2B Aktau, Kazakhstan (comfortable): $700
1B Tbilisi, Georgia (comfortable): $700
1B Yerevan, Armenia (dated comfortable): $600
1C Bogota, Colombia (comfortable): $800
1A San Andres, Colombia (dated comfortable): $1,500
2A Cartagena, Colombia (entry-level luxury): $1,200

Any of the main countries that people go to will have options for $1,000 month. If you get it all booked in advance you should be able to do any of the capital cities, close or maybe in the center, but you may have little to no money beyond living expenses.

There are a number of countries in Eastern Europe where the average wage is about $300-400 per month:

Bosnia
Serbia
Albania
Macedonia
Bulgaria
Romania
Moldova
Ukraine
Armenia
Georgia
Kazakhstan
Russia

With the exception of Moscow, you can probably live in or very close the capital's center, in some quite basic accommodation for $1,000 and some money to spend. But you're talking $100-200. And that relies on snapping up the bargain properties.

These capitals will generally come in at $800 entry level; with 2nd tier being about $650 and 3rd tier at $500. All with fairly basic accommodation and likely being away from the center.

So if you want to keep under $1,000, you're best bet is 3rd tier in EE. I would guess Moldova and Ukraine are the cheapest.

The worlds real shit holes tend to be a bit more expensive than EE due to their stupid laws, import duties and the huge piling into the cities driving up prices. Places like Lagos, Accra, Abidijan. You're looking at more like Moscow prices.

Not been there but have researched to go and looked into buying property there. Thailand and Indonesia have some really good places, cheap. I always like to have a pool, but in EE you are generally looking at $50 per night for a pool. In Bangkok you can get well furnished places with a pool for about $15-20. In Depok, near Jakarta, Indonesia there are places with pools from $10.

To save a bit on accommodation you can look at the normal renting market, if you're able to stay for a prolonged period. For example in Niš, Serbia, you can get an apartment for $150 per month. Food is really cheap there. You could get by on $150 per month on food.

Loaf of bread = $0.33
10 eggs = $1.00
lots of veg = $1-2

Issue is for a longer stay you need to get on a language course, which will be another $300 pm.
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(02-26-2019 01:02 PM)Jetset Wrote:  
(02-26-2019 11:26 AM)wellrockthecity Wrote:  Best lifestyle in the world, top notch free healthcare, safe and great food. I think worldwide only certain parts of Italy have a better quality of life but don't do Italy as girls are just not worth the headache there.

Colombia/Mexico are good but quality of life in Spain is better in every aspect but girls hotness/easyness, so it really depends on how important is that to you.

I was blown away by Andalucia. I've never seen a place where genuinely hot, outgoing women are so pervasive that they're even driving taxis, and Granada must be crazy when the university is in. There's a lot of potential there for someone who wants all the Western amenities at bargain prices.

Andalucia is pretty big, which other cities have you found with hot women besides Granada? Have you been succesful gaming in this region?

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Quote:1000 Amazing how Americans think they have great healthcare when in reality the quality sucks and the cost is exorbitant. Ive had medical issues dealt with in Mexico Thailand and India. In every case I got fine care at reasonable prices.

Actually you are incorrect. If it sucked so bad why do all the rich foreigners , including presidents and dictators come to use the system?
The system with insurance and all is horrid ,but the education of the doctors and their skills , as well as support staff is probably the best in the world. Most important thing is dianostics and we excel at that. That is mostly due to free market. For example where I live I am in walking distance to a dozen places wheree I can get MRI, Catscans,etc. The only thing is waiting for insurance approval.
When you read rankings that put the US system in the double digits you gotta understand that they factor the cost involved and the % of those not insured. Healthcare also factors in the American lifestyle , which isn't that healthy . Look at all the fat people. I always tell my wife that if Americans stopped being fat and eating crappy food our avg lifespan would increase tremendously. We have a decent lifespan as is , simply because the system is good enough to function even with all the fat unhealthy people in the system.

The problem is you have to survive the bureaucracy and hope the orderly doesn't mix up your records before the doctor sees you and cuts off your balls.The insurance is the issue not the health care aspect.But no thanks I will keep out of India and Mexico for healthcare. Go in for treatment and leave with malaria isn't fun. Also realize that local population there doesn't have access to that GREAT care. Apples and oranges comparison.Michael Moore was already criticized for bragging about Cuban system.

That being said, I will relate a VERY bad thing about American system due to insurance being regional. This is a true story. My father and his "wife"(domestic partner) spend a few months in the retirement community every year down there. He paid 15k for the apt 15 yrs ago and sold it for 30k a month ago. Some of those communities are really cheap. 400 a month includes cable tv and all the leisure a person can enjoy, even free bus service.

However, my fathers medical insurance is a NYC HMO(same as mine btw) which means it covers only out of area emergencies. His wife had an emergency and was treated but she developed a breathing condition that required big oxygen tanks and to be seen outpatient. Most HMO don't cover outpatient and because of the tanks she couldn't get approval to fly and the amount of tanks needed meant a long train trip was out of the question. At the same time no doctors would see her there because of out of network and he even offered to pay cash(he is a millionaire) and doctors refused . Reason he suspects is that once they take you on as a patient legally they can't stop treating you so they don't want cash since they know you could just stop paying. Legally it is wrong in most states to do that. No one would see her and insurance said she needed to get back to NYC. NYC care is free.
It took weeks until she got clearance to fly and when she got back she was so sick she needed go to be in hospital and she was never going to be able to live outside so she demanded they just" pull the plug" and she did the common version of American assisted suicide which is unplug and heavy dose of morphine that stops organs.
Basically killed by the insurance system even though she had one of the best coverage in the country(it is free and allows top NYC hospitals). He was thinking of suing , heck I think he was even thinking of hiring a hit squad to take out the doctor but he is 80 and just said he doesn't have the time.
Here is the kicker:if he bought travel insurance that evacuates you to your home area they would have chartered a plane and flew her back. Sucks that even snowbirds need evacuation insurance in their own country.


Quote:Ya I forgot about that so now I really don’t know wtf Slickyboy was saying when he wrote that Canuck snowbirds never go back, they legally have to, they just go south for nice weather and cheap booze.
When economy crashed many Canucks picked up 10k condos in retirement communities and 35k condo's in Vegas. I think some find away to stay , for example because of Nafta I think they used to be able to get part time job as greeter in Walmart and that meant they could stay year long.I can live in Canada if I get a job in Mc Donalds there lol.
As for health care, a job in a big retailer can have subsidized insurance so they get coverage. But I think it gets so hot in Florida most run back. I won't retire there, weather is miserable 8 months of the year. NYC winter is almost over , barely any cold days this year. Global warming works in out favor! NYC winters are only 2 months now for the last few years.
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I thought I would link this for the naysayers of US healthcate:https://medium.com/@harsh.singh.clif/u-s-health-care-ranked-worst-in-the-developed-world-1d397cd291c6
For thing i think the UK ranking might be biased. They have a lot of "1", but I heard otherwise. Anyway look at the numbers. For MYSELF and any educated guy receiving care the US scores very high.
We scored very high in EFFECTIVE CARE. To me that is the most important. Safe care and coordinated care was not so good but I will explain those 2. Since most of the us is private doctor offices, of course it isn't going to be that cooerdinated. People here choose that over the HMO clinics. Safe care can be be worst because of that. However the fact that we score high on patient centered care trumps those 2 categories because, as most Americans know, as long as we are assertive, get records, etc which because of great patient centered care we can do, we can improve individually for ourselves the 2 area we scorE low. In USA, to effectively move though the healthcare system, we have to be pushy, do research and be on toP of things. It is like a second job. However, this can benefit us where the socialized countries wouldn't. For example in many healthcare systems, you can't just walk out and choose another doctor. The citizens are like sheep and never question the doctors. Therefore, they have it more relax but how do we know they are getting right treatment? Since they have to obey the doctor, and doctor doesn't have incentive to provide the best care... we will never know if YOU truly are getting the best care. In USA lawsuits keep them in line. We can participate in our treatment. Also because of high pay we don't have to use only 3rd world doctors like in EU and other places. The key is to make it work we have to invest TIME.
The places we did really bad was, like I said: COST, EQUITY, and efficiency. That doesn't effect all of us equally. Those of us that work and don't freeload are ok.

Efficiency is also very subjective. Having to wait for insurance approvals and referrals reduces efficiency. The fact that our dr.'s tend to work in small offices and we might have to travel around reduces efficiency.
However, my opinion are HMO's where doctors all work together in the same office are not as good as one would think it is. It is our experiences in HMO'S that scare Americans from universal care IMHO. My HMO allows me to pick in network doctors and go to them. Most are private but they prefer you to use the partnered clinics ,HMO clinics. Most of those doctors are immigrants. They , like any gov't run agency, try do as little as possible. They have financial incentives to ration care.

ME: My back hurts after I was stretching

Private in network doctor: Let get imaging( referral to go get imaging 2 blocks away) Appointments available.
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HMO clinic: Oh, it is nothing. Rest and take a chill pill(i had this happen)

You tell me which one gives better care?I would rather overuse care then receive very little.
My imagination is many of the socialized countries play out like HMO clinic for non emergencies.

As for emergency hospital care. I can't compare but having a population that gets into car accidents, shoots and stabs each other has a benefit. Also being a militarized country where many doctors have combat medic skills. Lets put it this way, In NYC every cop knows that if you get stabbed or shot you wanna go to Kings county hospital. They are the most trained at dealing with these kind of injuries in the world. Only problem is in some us hospitals you risk of being shot is the same in the hospital as outside LOLOLOL

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RE: The cheapest place to live that's actually livable
I can now confirm most of these rankings are full of shit. Very recently, this week actually, I had a close family member submit to UK Public Healthcare. I don't want to go into details here, but this would have never have been fucked up in Poland, Germany, Sweden, or any other European Union country. Any.

Not to mention that they are extremely unfriendly towards prescribing most commonly used drugs (The Third World African/Indian Home-Treatment Medicine) and the fact that NHS is extremely underfunded. I thought Polish healthcare sucks -- it's actually doing really good compared to UK. In the UK it's either private (where you are treated by skilled, white physicians from top Universities) or get fucked and take a risk with your health.

Lastly, I don't want to sound racist here (because I'm not), but when you cannot find a single white doctor (or hardly even a staff member) in the hospital, there is definitely something wrong. And this has been going on for decades. Same with public education which is the worst I can imagine in the developed world, but healthcare issues have triggered me the most because of the situation from this week.

Point: these ratings are full of shit. There is plenty of data from trusted websites like WHO, US's export.gov (which has plenty of info on healthcare for almost any country in the world), and trusted regulatory companies like EmergoByul for example. Most of the rankings I have seen on the web are so far from the truth that it's stupid to base any opinion on them.
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RE: The cheapest place to live that's actually livable
Pereira / Medellin

I have been to Colombia a few times but only in 3 month lengths in these 2 cities. I pay for the convenience but could do on the cheap if I was actually living there and/or renting longer term.

There are nice apartment communities which are secure and have good amenities, and friendly neighbours. There's no Airbnb at these places, and as I understand the apartment when you rent it comes with nothing, no appliances, fridge, stove, etc. So you have to set all that up, which in Colombia Ive heard can take a month.

I've checked into a couple of websites and you can get a nice apartment with good security for under 100K USD in Medellin or Pereira (as long as you are not in a prime Strata 6 location). If you invest in a car and don't depend on walking, uber, and transit everything gets a lot safer, you can live in a lot of areas as long as the building has good security.

Whatever the location, when you set yourself up for the long term you can live cheaper.

Medical wise, in Colombia I just pay for the insurance. The cost of medical services is low but the quality of service is pretty good.
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RE: The cheapest place to live that's actually livable
(03-01-2019 09:10 PM)gework Wrote:  Places I've stayed with basic living costs per month.

1A Hong Kong (comfortable): $1,500
1B Singapore (comfortable): $1,500

Where were you living in HK and Singapore? How much of a lifestyle did you have? $1500 is barely enough to make rent there (in a shared apartment) in my experience, nevermind actually "comfortable" living - eating out in restaurants, going drinking once a week, gym membership etc.
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(03-01-2019 07:37 PM)scotian Wrote:  
(02-27-2019 07:01 PM)jimukr75 Wrote:  
(02-27-2019 03:15 PM)scotian Wrote:  
(02-25-2019 08:27 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  I'm surprised to hear that; I've witnessed the exact opposite happen with Canadians. They will come to the US and pay out of their own pockets to get treatments that in the US one would think require extra urgency. In Canada they get put on wait lists or get run around in circles of never ending lab tests before their benevolent government gives them a "free" operation. But old Canadians in FL are famous for exaggerating the shit out of how wonderful the country they left behind really is. They could always just go back, yet they don't

I've literally never met a Canadian who stays in Florida all year, most of them leave in April and return in October or November, it's just too hot and humid there during the summer. This applies to northerners too from Michigan, New York, etc they all head back up north. As for the quality of our health care, it's not perfect but it is pretty damn good from what I've experienced and it's accessible to anyone. Again, if we're talking about getting ill or in an accident abroad, the US is one of the last places I'd want that to occur in, even if they have some some of the best health care facilities in the world, a broken arm can set you back $10,000 or more from what I understand.
Isn't that because Canadians are only allowed to live there 6 months of the yr?
My father lives in century village in the winter. He says half the properties are bought by Canadians but they can't live there yr long. It is impossible.

Ya I forgot about that so now I really don’t know wtf Slickyboy was saying when he wrote that Canuck snowbirds never go back, they legally have to, they just go south for nice weather and cheap booze.

And pretending they don't know what a tip is.

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RE: The cheapest place to live that's actually livable
(02-27-2019 07:01 PM)jimukr75 Wrote:  
(02-27-2019 03:15 PM)scotian Wrote:  
(02-25-2019 08:27 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  I'm surprised to hear that; I've witnessed the exact opposite happen with Canadians. They will come to the US and pay out of their own pockets to get treatments that in the US one would think require extra urgency. In Canada they get put on wait lists or get run around in circles of never ending lab tests before their benevolent government gives them a "free" operation. But old Canadians in FL are famous for exaggerating the shit out of how wonderful the country they left behind really is. They could always just go back, yet they don't

I've literally never met a Canadian who stays in Florida all year, most of them leave in April and return in October or November, it's just too hot and humid there during the summer. This applies to northerners too from Michigan, New York, etc they all head back up north. As for the quality of our health care, it's not perfect but it is pretty damn good from what I've experienced and it's accessible to anyone. Again, if we're talking about getting ill or in an accident abroad, the US is one of the last places I'd want that to occur in, even if they have some some of the best health care facilities in the world, a broken arm can set you back $10,000 or more from what I understand.
Isn't that because Canadians are only allowed to live there 6 months of the yr?
My father lives in century village in the winter. He says half the properties are bought by Canadians but they can't live there yr long. It is impossible.

I'm not sure how long Canadians can stay at one time in the US but if they accumulate more than 182 days in the US during a calendar year, they have to pay US income tax as well as Canadian. Hence why all the snowbirds head back north.

I also think the snowbirds have to be in Canada for at least 5 months to keep their provincial health insurance.
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RE: The cheapest place to live that's actually livable
(02-26-2019 11:26 AM)wellrockthecity Wrote:  Second/third tier Spain by far if you can get to $1500.

Best lifestyle in the world, top notch free healthcare, safe and great food. I think worldwide only certain parts of Italy have a better quality of life but don't do Italy as girls are just not worth the headache there.

Colombia/Mexico are good but quality of life in Spain is better in every aspect but girls hotness/easyness, so it really depends on how important is that to you.
Also the kind of lifestyle that you can have in Southern Europe for cheap is not achievable in those countries for the same price, its sound crazy but its the reality of things. If you live like a poor-medium class person Latin America is gona be much cheaper but you gona have shitty food, little safety etc.
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(03-02-2019 12:02 PM)jimukr75 Wrote:  Here is the kicker:if he bought travel insurance that evacuates you to your home area they would have chartered a plane and flew her back. Sucks that even snowbirds need evacuation insurance in their own country.

Can't his credit card cover this? My credit card has travel insurance included.
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(03-04-2019 04:00 AM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  
(03-02-2019 12:02 PM)jimukr75 Wrote:  Here is the kicker:if he bought travel insurance that evacuates you to your home area they would have chartered a plane and flew her back. Sucks that even snowbirds need evacuation insurance in their own country.

Can't his credit card cover this? My credit card has travel insurance included.
3 things about that:
1 Most credit cards don't include that. It usually an advance benefit.
2. It probably doesn't cover snowbirds since they staying a long time and have second residence.
3. That type of coverage and even the type you buy that reimburses loss baggage, flight etc only evacuates to a quality medical facility. Not the one of your chioce or HOME base. Florida is 1st world so they will not evacuate to NYC. You need one of those evacuation membership plans for that.
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RE: The cheapest place to live that's actually livable
(03-03-2019 12:48 AM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  no appliances, fridge, stove, etc. So you have to set all that up, which in Colombia Ive heard can take a month.

You can actually get that stuff the next day pretty easily. If you were hard up and willing to toss a guy $20-30 extra I bet you could get it delivered and installed on the spot at the right place. I have paid some random guy who hangs around places and has a truck $10 to get furniture or large items from the building material store delivered because I didn't want to wait a day. I believe homecenter also has a 4 hour option where you can pay extra to get it delivered in 4 hours. However dealing with larger companies like getting internet installed you can wait months.

The main difficulty for renting an apartment in Colombia as a foreigner is not having property to put down as collateral. Some people will accept a certificate of deposit for several months as collateral but you would have a hard time finding someone to rent it outright with nothing. Colombians are not trusting people.
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