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RE: The cheapest place to live that's actually livable
Have you looked at North Macedonia man?

Everything there is dirt cheap and Skopje is easily one of the cheapest capitols in Europe right up there with Moldova.

I can't imagine rent in the center with a nice setup being more than like 400 usd a month.
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(06-27-2019 03:19 PM)jimukr75 Wrote:  
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(06-20-2019 04:01 PM)Spaniard in Germany Wrote:  I live in Germany because there are no jobs in southern europe. In northern europe everything is pricey, everything has taxes, for everything you need 3 permits, everything can make you pay a fine, many insurances are compulsory, etc. It is a dystopian Huxleyan police state.

BUT that is the price I pay not to have to live in Colombia or in Nicaragua and getting shanked and gutted because they wanted 30 dollars I had in my wallet. I pay that price not to live in Congo or Niger and having some fellows perform a magic ritual peeling my skin and then burning me. Do I really have to go on?

No, there no need to go on. A real man does not mindlessly live in his fears.

Almost every country in the world is safe if you do not act stupidly, do not hang out with scumbags, and stay out of the few unsafe poverty-stricken areas of the city. You make it sound as if half the world is downtown Caracas or Los Cabos.

This is true for the most part, at least if you're a single guy with no kids to worry about. I mean, I spent a few years working in Honduras when I was single and it was fine, and Honduras is a dangerous hellhole of a country if there ever was one. Just use common sense and don't walk around drunk, like you say.

It gets sketchier when you have a wife and kids to worry about, as I do now. God forbid I should ever return to Honduras as a family man.

I do not live in fear, I am simply aware of what is beyond the now non-existent borders of Europe. I have eyes to see what happens when those people come here: they enrich us with their culture. If I had wife and kids I would do anything not to live in a culturally rich neighborhood period, no matter the country because… well because the countries belong to the howling wind. No human is illegal.

I pay taxes in Germany not to live in China with the communist party spying on every step I take. I pay taxes in Germany not to live in AIDS ridden, alcoholic, corrupt, demoralized Russia. I pay taxes in Germany not to live in Southafrica and be persecuted merely (das racis) for the color of my skin.

All those places are cheaper than Germany, but it is a baaaaad invesment. Open up your eyes people, millions of angry-hungry-horny men are at the gates.

LOL. Exactly..the 3rd world might be good for a visit but so many want out..that has got to mean something. One thing I learned living overseas is that ALL the expats eventually want to go back home or they drop dead. I am happy I am rich enough NOT to have to be an expat in my old age.

Yes, it does mean something. It means that poor people who live in a country without social welfare systems flock to countries that stupidly open their social welfare systems to poor immigrants. So, you can stay in your home country and pay high taxes to subsidize poor people from other countries who invade your nation -- or you can move to their country, pay no local income tax if you earn your income from outside that country, live in the best neighborhoods in the best cities in their country, and date their more traditional women.

Of course, it depends on each person's unique circumstances. For example, if you can reduce your tax rate from 45% to 10% by moving offshore, on a $100,000 gross income that is a $35,000 annual tax savings. Many people can live almost anywhere in the world on just the $35,000 annual tax savings, which the government would otherwise take from you.

This is not rocket science. This is simply lifestyle geo-arbitrage.

Learn to think outside-the-box. Escape clown-world -- and make the world's idiocy work on your behalf.
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(06-27-2019 03:45 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 03:19 PM)jimukr75 Wrote:  LOL. Exactly..the 3rd world might be good for a visit but so many want out..that has got to mean something. One thing I learned living overseas is that ALL the expats eventually want to go back home or they drop dead. I am happy I am rich enough NOT to have to be an expat in my old age.

Yes, it does mean something. It means that poor people who live in a country without social welfare systems flock to countries that stupidly open their social welfare systems to poor immigrants. So, you can stay in your home country and pay high taxes to subsidize poor people from other countries who invade your nation -- or you can move to their country, pay no local income tax if you earn your income from outside that country, live in the best neighborhoods in the best cities in their country, and date their more traditional women.

Of course, it depends on each person's unique circumstances. For example, if you can reduce your tax rate from 45% to 10% by moving offshore, on a $100,000 gross income that is a $35,000 annual tax savings. Many people can live almost anywhere in the world on just the $35,000 annual tax savings, which the government would otherwise take from you.

This is not rocket science. This is simply lifestyle geo-arbitrage.

Learn to think outside-the-box. Escape clown-world -- and make the world's idiocy work on your behalf.

Seriously, the US and most of Europe are actively selecting for the least useful migrants. Ever since Trump got elected the femstate NGOs have been organizing caravans to bring the least motivated folks possible into the US. If you need a caravan to do all the work, you shouldn't be migrating.

The world belongs to the active. If the Trumpreich could continue another 16 years that probably still wouldn't be enough to fix the structural problems in the US encouraging inactivity. The place attracting homeless single mothers is exactly not the place to be.

California is a cesspool because when the poor flocked there to not freeze during winter, they decided to welcome them.
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(06-27-2019 03:45 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 03:19 PM)jimukr75 Wrote:  
(06-23-2019 06:23 PM)Spaniard in Germany Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 09:15 AM)bucky Wrote:  
(06-20-2019 04:45 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  No, there no need to go on. A real man does not mindlessly live in his fears.

Almost every country in the world is safe if you do not act stupidly, do not hang out with scumbags, and stay out of the few unsafe poverty-stricken areas of the city. You make it sound as if half the world is downtown Caracas or Los Cabos.

This is true for the most part, at least if you're a single guy with no kids to worry about. I mean, I spent a few years working in Honduras when I was single and it was fine, and Honduras is a dangerous hellhole of a country if there ever was one. Just use common sense and don't walk around drunk, like you say.

It gets sketchier when you have a wife and kids to worry about, as I do now. God forbid I should ever return to Honduras as a family man.

I do not live in fear, I am simply aware of what is beyond the now non-existent borders of Europe. I have eyes to see what happens when those people come here: they enrich us with their culture. If I had wife and kids I would do anything not to live in a culturally rich neighborhood period, no matter the country because… well because the countries belong to the howling wind. No human is illegal.

I pay taxes in Germany not to live in China with the communist party spying on every step I take. I pay taxes in Germany not to live in AIDS ridden, alcoholic, corrupt, demoralized Russia. I pay taxes in Germany not to live in Southafrica and be persecuted merely (das racis) for the color of my skin.

All those places are cheaper than Germany, but it is a baaaaad invesment. Open up your eyes people, millions of angry-hungry-horny men are at the gates.

LOL. Exactly..the 3rd world might be good for a visit but so many want out..that has got to mean something. One thing I learned living overseas is that ALL the expats eventually want to go back home or they drop dead. I am happy I am rich enough NOT to have to be an expat in my old age.

Yes, it does mean something. It means that poor people who live in a country without social welfare systems flock to countries that stupidly open their social welfare systems to poor immigrants. So, you can stay in your home country and pay high taxes to subsidize poor people from other countries who invade your nation -- or you can move to their country, pay no local income tax if you earn your income from outside that country, live in the best neighborhoods in the best cities in their country, and date their more traditional women.

Of course, it depends on each person's unique circumstances. For example, if you can reduce your tax rate from 45% to 10% by moving offshore, on a $100,000 gross income that is a $35,000 annual tax savings. Many people can live almost anywhere in the world on just the $35,000 annual tax savings, which the government would otherwise take from you.

This is not rocket science. This is simply lifestyle geo-arbitrage.

Learn to think outside-the-box. Escape clown-world -- and make the world's idiocy work on your behalf.

Good post, but it still should remind us to be grateful to be born in the first world. But yeah people have been avoiding paying taxes forever. There is nothing more American than paying as little in taxes as necessary. Taxation is literal theft, as is inflation (hidden taxation).
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(06-27-2019 05:08 AM)66Scorpio Wrote:  I will be building my place in the Philippines. Maybe $50k at current exchange rates. That doesn't include the trout pond, tennis court and pepper garden. Plus wine cellar, suspension chamber and top tech to attract thinkers as a B&B.

Owned by your wife, or under a company with filipinos as majority owners?

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(06-27-2019 03:45 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 03:19 PM)jimukr75 Wrote:  
(06-23-2019 06:23 PM)Spaniard in Germany Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 09:15 AM)bucky Wrote:  
(06-20-2019 04:45 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  No, there no need to go on. A real man does not mindlessly live in his fears.

Almost every country in the world is safe if you do not act stupidly, do not hang out with scumbags, and stay out of the few unsafe poverty-stricken areas of the city. You make it sound as if half the world is downtown Caracas or Los Cabos.

This is true for the most part, at least if you're a single guy with no kids to worry about. I mean, I spent a few years working in Honduras when I was single and it was fine, and Honduras is a dangerous hellhole of a country if there ever was one. Just use common sense and don't walk around drunk, like you say.

It gets sketchier when you have a wife and kids to worry about, as I do now. God forbid I should ever return to Honduras as a family man.

I do not live in fear, I am simply aware of what is beyond the now non-existent borders of Europe. I have eyes to see what happens when those people come here: they enrich us with their culture. If I had wife and kids I would do anything not to live in a culturally rich neighborhood period, no matter the country because… well because the countries belong to the howling wind. No human is illegal.

I pay taxes in Germany not to live in China with the communist party spying on every step I take. I pay taxes in Germany not to live in AIDS ridden, alcoholic, corrupt, demoralized Russia. I pay taxes in Germany not to live in Southafrica and be persecuted merely (das racis) for the color of my skin.

All those places are cheaper than Germany, but it is a baaaaad invesment. Open up your eyes people, millions of angry-hungry-horny men are at the gates.

LOL. Exactly..the 3rd world might be good for a visit but so many want out..that has got to mean something. One thing I learned living overseas is that ALL the expats eventually want to go back home or they drop dead. I am happy I am rich enough NOT to have to be an expat in my old age.

Yes, it does mean something. It means that poor people who live in a country without social welfare systems flock to countries that stupidly open their social welfare systems to poor immigrants. So, you can stay in your home country and pay high taxes to subsidize poor people from other countries who invade your nation -- or you can move to their country, pay no local income tax if you earn your income from outside that country, live in the best neighborhoods in the best cities in their country, and date their more traditional women.

Of course, it depends on each person's unique circumstances. For example, if you can reduce your tax rate from 45% to 10% by moving offshore, on a $100,000 gross income that is a $35,000 annual tax savings. Many people can live almost anywhere in the world on just the $35,000 annual tax savings, which the government would otherwise take from you.

This is not rocket science. This is simply lifestyle geo-arbitrage.

Learn to think outside-the-box. Escape clown-world -- and make the world's idiocy work on your behalf.
True if taxes worked that way but it does't. We have a progressive system. In addition most living in 3rd world countries aren't making that much from income. Often expats are mostly retired if they live long term and that's means they likely STILL pay US taxes. US taxes and pensions, including Social Security are taxed in the US regardless of where lived and earned income exclusion doesn't apply. Assets generating income that are in the US also obligate the owner to pay US taxes. It isn't better overseas in countries that are safe to park money either since many have wealth taxes. Now the REAL wealthy do have access to foreign banks where they can park and hide for low fees but those guys are so rich they already own homes in the best areas of the 1st world.

As an example, I made over 110k last yr and my fed tax was only about 10k(not counting state tax because that varies from none to higher depending on states). Uncle Sam collected less than 10% of my income.
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(06-28-2019 07:10 AM)jimukr75 Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 03:45 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 03:19 PM)jimukr75 Wrote:  
(06-23-2019 06:23 PM)Spaniard in Germany Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 09:15 AM)bucky Wrote:  This is true for the most part, at least if you're a single guy with no kids to worry about. I mean, I spent a few years working in Honduras when I was single and it was fine, and Honduras is a dangerous hellhole of a country if there ever was one. Just use common sense and don't walk around drunk, like you say.

It gets sketchier when you have a wife and kids to worry about, as I do now. God forbid I should ever return to Honduras as a family man.

I do not live in fear, I am simply aware of what is beyond the now non-existent borders of Europe. I have eyes to see what happens when those people come here: they enrich us with their culture. If I had wife and kids I would do anything not to live in a culturally rich neighborhood period, no matter the country because… well because the countries belong to the howling wind. No human is illegal.

I pay taxes in Germany not to live in China with the communist party spying on every step I take. I pay taxes in Germany not to live in AIDS ridden, alcoholic, corrupt, demoralized Russia. I pay taxes in Germany not to live in Southafrica and be persecuted merely (das racis) for the color of my skin.

All those places are cheaper than Germany, but it is a baaaaad invesment. Open up your eyes people, millions of angry-hungry-horny men are at the gates.

LOL. Exactly..the 3rd world might be good for a visit but so many want out..that has got to mean something. One thing I learned living overseas is that ALL the expats eventually want to go back home or they drop dead. I am happy I am rich enough NOT to have to be an expat in my old age.

Yes, it does mean something. It means that poor people who live in a country without social welfare systems flock to countries that stupidly open their social welfare systems to poor immigrants. So, you can stay in your home country and pay high taxes to subsidize poor people from other countries who invade your nation -- or you can move to their country, pay no local income tax if you earn your income from outside that country, live in the best neighborhoods in the best cities in their country, and date their more traditional women.

Of course, it depends on each person's unique circumstances. For example, if you can reduce your tax rate from 45% to 10% by moving offshore, on a $100,000 gross income that is a $35,000 annual tax savings. Many people can live almost anywhere in the world on just the $35,000 annual tax savings, which the government would otherwise take from you.

This is not rocket science. This is simply lifestyle geo-arbitrage.

Learn to think outside-the-box. Escape clown-world -- and make the world's idiocy work on your behalf.
True if taxes worked that way but it does't. We have a progressive system. In addition most living in 3rd world countries aren't making that much from income. Often expats are mostly retired if they live long term and that's means they likely STILL pay US taxes. US taxes and pensions, including Social Security are taxed in the US regardless of where lived and earned income exclusion doesn't apply. Assets generating income that are in the US also obligate the owner to pay US taxes. It isn't better overseas in countries that are safe to park money either since many have wealth taxes. Now the REAL wealthy do have access to foreign banks where they can park and hide for low fees but those guys are so rich they already own homes in the best areas of the 1st world.

As an example, I made over 110k last yr and my fed tax was only about 10k(not counting state tax because that varies from none to higher depending on states). Uncle Sam collected less than 10% of my income.

Taxes do work that way. For example, if you live in California and are in the top income tax bracket, you will have a 52% tax rate between state and federal income taxes. By living overseas and by creating your own company using an offshore corporation (CFC) and a U.S. C corporation under the new tax law, you can reduce your effective tax rate to about 10%. By working for a foreign corporation or forming your own CFC, you also legally eliminate social security tax. This is all legal. There is no need to hide anything.

Obviously, I am talking about well-informed people acting to improve their lives and their tax situation. Stupid people act stupidly everywhere. Why would you want to emulate stupid people or discuss what they are doing?

Yes, if you are a wage slave, have the mindset of a wage slave, and have no desire to improve or to change, then it is best to remain in your home country. We can agree on that. With a wage slave mindset, your income will be the least of your problems if you live overseas.
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Quote:"Taxes do work that way. For example, if you live in California and are in the top income tax bracket, you will have a 52% tax rate between state and federal income taxes. By living overseas and by creating your own company using an offshore corporation (CFC) and a U.S. C corporation under the new tax law, you can reduce your effective tax rate to about 10%. By working for a foreign corporation or forming your own CFC, you also legally eliminate social security tax. This is all legal. There is no need to hide anything."

No they don't. Again you obviously don't understand how a progressive tax system works. I don't blame you though, since most Americans don't actually do their own taxes, probably. Most go to an accountant /tax preparer so they REALLY don't have an idea how our system works or/and how much they actually pay. I will explain it:

Lets say you are making 600k per year and you are in the 37% tax rate. You only pay 37% on the additional amount above the level where that bracket takes effect. All the income below that amount where the bracket starts is taxed at lower amounts.

The example mentioned above with a 45% tax rate on a 100k income is fiction..even in California. Leave out FICA since that is not an income tax and plenty of people overseas do contribute to it btw. In addition if you do retire early you will get more out of SS than you put into it.(no it isn't ending)

Total income tax paid both Fed and State for California on 100k income would ONLY be about approx 21.5k, and even if you wanted to include FICA would total about 28k. This is about it..not fiction. That is VERY far from the 45k you mentioned. I just accurately listed what 100k tax hit would be for a single person in California.

Of course there are strategies to even avoid paying the 21.5k , depending on the individual, assuming Trump didn't eliminate most of the itemizing, and how the assets are allocated(capital gains vs wage income). Then factor family size(Married couple pays much less). As noted one can also move to a tax friendly state as well....further reducing taxes owed. Wage earners can set up tax deferrred accounts to take the bite out. Retirees can relax knowing that most states don't tax SS and even many pensions. Obviously retirees don't pay FICA anymore.

Quote:"Obviously, I am talking about well-informed people acting to improve their lives and their tax situation."

Plenty off well informed Americans who are improving their tax situation and lives without having to uproot anything. Perhaps they are just wealthy and pay someone to "inform " them? My advice though would be that successful informed people should understand how their tax system works.

Quote:"Stupid people act stupidly everywhere. Why would you want to emulate stupid people or discuss what they are doing?"

Actually knowing the things "stupid" people do and NOT doing it is actually a valuable lesson. Nothing makes someone learn more than seeing bad examples around themselves.

Quote:" By living overseas and by creating your own company using an offshore corporation (CFC) and a U.S. C corporation under the new tax law, you can reduce your effective tax rate to about 10%. By working for a foreign corporation or forming your own CFC, you also legally eliminate social security tax."
Yes I am sure these are things that work , in fact you probably got the idea on the internet LIKE everyone else, unless you read a good book ofcourse. That being said you better hire professionals that are well informed if doing those things. Especially when your already showing that your misjudging how the US tax system works and/or your calculator malfunctioned. No pun intended. But by calculating taxes correctly I already saved you over 10k ..LOLAngel But seriously , I know a lot of folks that use financial advisers that actually end up less than if they learned themselves the "ins" and "outs". A good lawyer is always valuable.

Quote:"Yes, if you are a wage slave, have the mindset of a wage slave, and have no desire to improve or to change, then it is best to remain in your home country."

There's that, or perhaps I will remind you I haven't worked a day since I am 37 years old(46 now) and in addition to my guaranteed pension(free med and dental) from being a "stupid" wage earner, I am also a multimillionaire...liquid one at that who according to statistics a few years ago am in the top 3 -4% wealth in the US. My apt sitting empty overseas is of no consequence for me though because I can afford to live here in the US..in NYC even.
I think that maybe the FIRE(financial independent retire early) folks can emulate me!

Quote:This is not rocket science. This is simply lifestyle geo-arbitrage.
From the way it was presented , certainly not rocket science. I don't think it qualifies as any science for that mater. More like an ART. Math and arithmetic is a science though.

Quote:Learn to think outside-the-box. Escape clown-world -- and make the world's idiocy work on your behalf.
Yes good idea. I find that actually understanding money and how to calculate it and my liabilities puts me in the role of ringmaster. Hate the clowns but love the circus
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(06-28-2019 10:24 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  Taxes do work that way. For example, if you live in California and are in the top income tax bracket, you will have a 52% tax rate between state and federal income taxes. By living overseas and by creating your own company using an offshore corporation (CFC) and a U.S. C corporation under the new tax law, you can reduce your effective tax rate to about 10%. By working for a foreign corporation or forming your own CFC, you also legally eliminate social security tax. This is all legal. There is no need to hide anything.

bruh,

please educate yourself first on our tax system before you spew this nonsense.

https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/re...ax-system/

you have no clue how progressive tax schemes work.
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(07-01-2019 04:53 PM)GyopoPlayboy Wrote:  
(06-28-2019 10:24 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  Taxes do work that way. For example, if you live in California and are in the top income tax bracket, you will have a 52% tax rate between state and federal income taxes. By living overseas and by creating your own company using an offshore corporation (CFC) and a U.S. C corporation under the new tax law, you can reduce your effective tax rate to about 10%. By working for a foreign corporation or forming your own CFC, you also legally eliminate social security tax. This is all legal. There is no need to hide anything.

bruh,

please educate yourself first on our tax system before you spew this nonsense.

https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/re...ax-system/

you have no clue how progressive tax schemes work.

If you are going to accuse someone of "spewing nonsense" at least have the minimal courtesy of taking the time to identify the alleged error. You attach a web site as if that magically explains something.

The top tax rate in California, between state, federal, and self-employment taxes is indeed roughly 52% and the effective tax rate is roughly 47%. Everything else that I cited in that paragraph is also correct. So, if you wish to have a reasoned debate and try to educate someone else, please first educate yourself and learn how to properly express yourself.

https://smartasset.com/taxes/california-tax-calculator
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Ok so I went back to read your OP to see if maybe you meant marginal tax rate (as opposed to effective tax rate), but even that doesnt add up. The marginal tax rate at the highest bracket (income over 500k) tops out at 37%.

I was going to type up an example of how it would play out for someone in the top tax bracket but looks like jimukr beat me to it.
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(07-01-2019 11:46 PM)GyopoPlayboy Wrote:  Ok so I went back to read your OP to see if maybe you meant marginal tax rate (as opposed to effective tax rate), but even that doesnt add up. The marginal tax rate at the highest bracket (income over 500k) tops out at 37%.

I was going to type up an example of how it would play out for someone in the top tax bracket but looks like jimukr beat me to it.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? This is the remark that you criticized:

Quote: For example, if you live in California and are in the top income tax bracket, you will have a 52% tax rate between state and federal income taxes.

After you criticized my comment without offering any proof of error, I then produced a web link proving that the top income tax bracket for someone residing in California for state and federal income taxes is 52% -- and you still come back with a retarded comment that cites only the federal income tax rate of 37%. Do you have zero reading comprehension -- or are you incapable of adding 37 + 2.35 + 12.30 = 51.65%. Which is it?

BTW: the phrase "income tax bracket" refers to the marginal tax rate.

Why don't you just man up and admit your mistake -- instead of acting like a typical forum hamster? Better yet, stick to stuff that you know about.
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RE: The cheapest place to live that's actually livable
How about Malta?

I couldn't live there myself but have friends who are out in Gozo running some gambling websites. They're printing money and living on not a lot (their tax is very optimized as well).

Might be worth reading up on.

The lack of fresh fruit and veg would probably be a deal breaker for me. Lots is imported from Europe and in true Mediterranean style, the wheels don't turn quickly!
07-02-2019 05:36 AM
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RE: The cheapest place to live that's actually livable
^^. They ever give you the scoop on Gozo? I spent a week in Malta and really enjoyed it but anywhere can be enjoyable for a week.

Is there much going on in Gozo?
07-02-2019 06:16 AM
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^^. They ever give you the scoop on Gozo? I spent a week in Malta and really enjoyed it but anywhere can be enjoyable for a week.

Is there much going on in Gozo?
07-02-2019 06:33 AM
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RE: The cheapest place to live that's actually livable
I stayed in Malta for 5 months (worked also in gambling industry while being there), and after a couple of weeks when all the partying wore off, and I visited all the sights, I was bored as sh*t. Couldn't live on an island so small anymore again. Although it's a very awesome holiday destination for a week.
07-02-2019 07:24 AM
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RE: The cheapest place to live that's actually livable
(07-02-2019 05:36 AM)fktax Wrote:  How about Malta?

I couldn't live there myself but have friends who are out in Gozo running some gambling websites. They're printing money and living on not a lot (their tax is very optimized as well).

Might be worth reading up on.

The lack of fresh fruit and veg would probably be a deal breaker for me. Lots is imported from Europe and in true Mediterranean style, the wheels don't turn quickly!

Was reading about Malta, but keep in mind that Gozo is a very quiet island, at least compared to the main island. You can find studios for 250-400€ which is almost an Eastern European price. Moreover, I think tax-wise Malta is more attractive than even Luxembourg (yes I just said it). Then again it depends on the activity you would like to do. There is a reason why all these online casinos spread like crazy in Malta and there is also a reason why cryptoexchanges go to Malta.
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RE: The cheapest place to live that's actually livable
(07-02-2019 07:27 AM)Obermarschall Wrote:  
(07-02-2019 05:36 AM)fktax Wrote:  How about Malta?

I couldn't live there myself but have friends who are out in Gozo running some gambling websites. They're printing money and living on not a lot (their tax is very optimized as well).

Might be worth reading up on.

The lack of fresh fruit and veg would probably be a deal breaker for me. Lots is imported from Europe and in true Mediterranean style, the wheels don't turn quickly!

Was reading about Malta, but keep in mind that Gozo is a very quiet island, at least compared to the main island. You can find studios for 250-400€ which is almost an Eastern European price. Moreover, I think tax-wise Malta is more attractive than even Luxembourg (yes I just said it). Then again it depends on the activity you would like to do. There is a reason why all these online casinos spread like crazy in Malta and there is also a reason why cryptoexchanges go to Malta.

The main reason why many online casinos are based in Malta is because of the way Malta handles gambling regulation. They're also in the EU which opens up a lot of solutions for payment processing. The tax benefits are really just a convenient bonus.
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RE: The cheapest place to live that's actually livable
Malta would be boring after a couple months the island is pretty small and there's not much to do. Is it really cheaper than Eastern Europe?
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RE: The cheapest place to live that's actually livable
I spent 2 months in Siaulia, Lithuania back in 2009. It was a nice quiet little city. Pretty cheap. A lot of NATO forces go through there for a Baltic Sea air patrol mission we do so the people may have grown tired of western/American men coming through but in the little time I got to visit Kaunus I have to say it seemed pretty nice. It was quite a bit bigger than Siauliai.
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RE: The cheapest place to live that's actually livable
If you can bear it, second or third tier eastern europe is cheap, and I mean cheap. I know people that have paid rent of less than 200usd outside of the capitol cities. Of course this comes with living in Soviet-Style apartment blocks.
07-02-2019 04:11 PM
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^^ There is not much to do outside capitol cities in Eastern Europe. The rent may be cheap, but the view isn't so good. I wouldn't want to be in the villages, they are full of alcoholics and old people. Much better living in a developed area and paying the higher rent. Some of the people in the villages are notoriously xenophobic.
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Quote:^^ There is not much to do outside capitol cities in Eastern Europe. The rent may be cheap, but the view isn't so good. I wouldn't want to be in the villages, they are full of alcoholics and old people. Much better living in a developed area and paying the higher rent. Some of the people in the villages are notoriously xenophobic.

I disagree. There is plenty to do. There is nature, drinking, vineyards, farms, you name it. There are plenty of cities that while not as large as capitols that have numerous options. Especially if they have universities.

Villagers are not xenophobic, just make an effort to learn some of the language and you will be good.
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Cities over second and third tier any day. All the smaller towns are dying as people flock to the capitol cities or immigrate to the west.

Villagers are not to be messed-with. Especially if you are pursuing women. They will chase you out of town with guns in hand if you are fooling around with local women. Patriarchy in action!.
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(07-02-2019 04:53 PM)Lost in Transfiguration Wrote:  Cities over second and third tier any day. All the smaller towns are dying as people flock to the capitol cities or immigrate to the west.

Villagers are not to be messed-with. Especially if you are pursuing women. They will chase you out of town with guns in hand if you are fooling around with local women. Patriarchy in action!.

You've never been in EE.
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