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(03-09-2019 05:20 PM)Spectrumwalker Wrote:  Instead of giving away 1000 bucks a month to make up for automation....how about they just make automation illegal and stop it from happening in the first place. Government already shows it's got no problem meddling in the private sector, so fuck it, just make it illegal. A country needs to recognize for the sake of it's collective national mental health the necessity that men need and are designed to work so they have purpose in life, value, and a sense of self worth. Which ultimately in the end helps get them girls and keeps em outa trouble. We think drugs, slothfulness, and narcissism are bad now, wait til everyone starts getting Yangbucks.

Fuck you Yang and the horse you rode in on. And your momma too! 1000 bucks a month my ass. Where's it all gonna come from. Won't be long til there's nothing left steal....I mean "redistribute".

*Edit- I tried to calculate what would 12k a year multiplied by an estimated percent of the population receiving this so called UBI and my calculator started smoking and almost exploded.

In the Rogan interview, He said giving a 1000 dollars a month to stay out of prison would would stop criminal repeat offending and my first thought was "What if he makes more than a 1000 month though whatever criminal means and enjoys it?"

Also if another politician says "Inevitable" all I can hear is "Just accept" as they put the cholorform rag over your mouth.

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I'm to the point where I don't trust anything or anyone with a D after their name at this point (and many with a R for that matter). I don't care how reasonable they may sound, how progressive, or even what seemingly beneficial and innovative policies and ideas they seem to espouse.

A bit close minded? Jaded? maybe. I just plain don't trust them.

I'll be casting my vote for Trump

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All your memes are belong to Yang?

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Oh shit. Its only March.

2 + 2 = fucked...?

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Looked at my budged and I already live on less than $1000 a month now so bring on the UBI. Over the last 2 years I've gotten so blackpilled on Trump and how we're fucked no matter what we need to just ride it out comfortably. Siphon the money to pay for UBI from those fucking rich boomers and big tech and globohomo.

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I'm edging towards Yang Gang for the lulz and memes. He is the accelerationist candidate we need!

The memes are quite excellent...

   

   

   

   

   

   

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(03-09-2019 05:27 PM)BeardedMastodon Wrote:  I believe the automation is a scare.

Mining for example... a mine that might employ 2000 people will use 50 heavy mining trucks that will become automated. Dozers, graders and other equipment that need more skill will not be, you need to feel the equipment. No way around that in the near future.

Since automation is cheaper, it allows projects to become economical that were not before... so we will have all of those technical jobs now.

Mechanics cannot be replaced, railroad workers cannot be replaced, some underground miners, etc. and with all of the automation we will need more mechanics to work on the automation robots when they break and more IT techs....

Mechanics can't get replaced at least not directly, but the things they work on can get less maintenance intensive. And railroads? When was the last time you saw a caboose on a train? They were automated out of existence decades ago, as were their occupants. Automation is very real:



BUT Yang made a ton of early and eager assumptions in his interview. Self driving trucks seem inevitable, but remember we were once promised flying cars too. Since it won't do a trucker any good to get out of the business until the jobs actually start disappearing, Yang should use another example to promote a UBI scheme. Checks can be cut just as quickly easily once jobs are gone, the pitchforks come out and torches start to get lit.

As Black Knight pointed out, he doesn't win me over on immigration and tried to make it sound like Trump won because manufacturing jobs were taken over by technology. The reality is Trump won because wages are being driven down in manufacturing and many other places by cheap labor at all levels as a result of immigration, both legal and otherwise.

I am very skeptical that any candidate will act cut off the supply of cheap labor for donors (RNC) or more dependent voters (DNC). Trump is acting like he has no power here, which is a slap in the face. We still have anchor babies, chain migration and all manner of sneaks into the system via an alphabet soup of visas. I didn't support Trump because I'm scared of a toaster taking my job - he needs to get off his ass.

As for going after big tech, Elizabeth Warren must have got a phone call from Silicon Valley because she quickly backed away from a brief anti-tech stance just recently. Similarly, Yang can't get anywhere without the support of globohomos in Silicon Valley, which goes hand in glove with cheap tech labor (H1B visas). No wonder he's avoiding the subject of cheap labor and trying to blame it all on ill-defined threats of automation.

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(03-09-2019 06:18 PM)Syberpunk Wrote:  
(03-09-2019 05:20 PM)Spectrumwalker Wrote:  Instead of giving away 1000 bucks a month to make up for automation....how about they just make automation illegal and stop it from happening in the first place. Government already shows it's got no problem meddling in the private sector, so fuck it, just make it illegal. A country needs to recognize for the sake of it's collective national mental health the necessity that men need and are designed to work so they have purpose in life, value, and a sense of self worth. Which ultimately in the end helps get them girls and keeps em outa trouble. We think drugs, slothfulness, and narcissism are bad now, wait til everyone starts getting Yangbucks.

Fuck you Yang and the horse you rode in on. And your momma too! 1000 bucks a month my ass. Where's it all gonna come from. Won't be long til there's nothing left steal....I mean "redistribute".

*Edit- I tried to calculate what would 12k a year multiplied by an estimated percent of the population receiving this so called UBI and my calculator started smoking and almost exploded.

In the Rogan interview, He said giving a 1000 dollars a month to stay out of prison would would stop criminal repeat offending and my first thought was "What if he makes more than a 1000 month though whatever criminal means and enjoys it?"

Also if another politician says "Inevitable" all I can hear is "Just accept" as they put the cholorform rag over your mouth.

Nothing is inevitable in human affairs unless we want it that way.


The best way to view UBI is not as welfare, but as two new taxes in one:

1- as a $1,000 tax on all current welfare recipients. If everyone gets $1,000, then that nullifies the $1,000 that current people on welfare now get, because they won't have access to it.

2- as a wealth tax through dilution. Most of the money injected into the economy now flows through people. It's pretty much a reverse poll tax.

The net cost to the economy is roughly similar to the defense budget, abut a trillion if you factor in net reduction in welfare and cuts in bureaucracy. It kind of drives home the fact that military interventions since 2001 have cost the average taxpaying household the equivalent of 10-15 years of UBI...

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Very good analysis of Yang by JF, he fleshes out his policies, UBI, his weaknesses in communicating his message, and the 2020 field. Pretty impressed with his analytical skills:




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Here's the one thing I keep getting stuck on:

what do we do when all these jobs get replaced?

It's one thing to say "the market" will sort this all out, but has that really always been the case? It just seems like a case of lazy thinking on the part of Americans.

We can chest thump all we want and say "well when the industrial revolution happened jobs were created" but how is saying "the market will sort things out" an actual strategy?

What exactly is the strategy moving forward?

I'm currently working on future-proofing my career moving forward, but what do we do with all the guys who can't learn to code or run a business.

This isn't a PSA for YanGGang of whatever 4chan autism is out there, but what exactly should we be expecting our politicians to do other than say "don't worry about it guise!!!"

On the one hand, when it comes to our problems we all want to talk about how the market is controlled by the Jews who don't want us to have anything, but on the other hand, we think the market is going to help people?

The prerogative of (((the market))) doesn't suddenly change like that.
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(03-09-2019 08:34 PM)Fortis Wrote:  What exactly is the strategy moving forward?

Mr. Fortis, we could have all these conversations, just chillin with our Yangbux, drinking organic tea, but unfortunately the jews have decided we have to massacre some brown people, so that we don't get a wall.

For real though, this is the conversation we could be having if a small group didn't have perpetual war and slavery as their goal.

We could be talking about creative cooperatives, colonizing the Moon and Mars, seasteading, urban farming, agraro-futurism (amish with anime flying robots) and many other interesting things.

We could be doing research into the 3rd eye and psychedelics. We could be exploring eradicating disease and growing to be 10feet tall (the chinese are busy doing DNA editing).

It doesn't matter though, cause we're not allowed to, cause the jews want war with brown people.
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With all that unlimited free time, hundreds of millions of people will be free to pursue their artistic and intellectual pursuits all day whatever they may be, due to UBI including the (((question)))

Right?











RIGHT??

Just as Marx intended. Its beautiful.
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(03-09-2019 08:31 AM)Ski pro Wrote:  1000 dollars a month doesn’t sound like a great deal of money to me.

I don’t know much about the US but you won’t get far on 1k a month in europe

It won't give you a lifestyle of luxury, but you can easily live on 1k a month anywhere in the US. Roommates, eating at home, etc. Same with Europe.
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(03-09-2019 05:20 PM)Spectrumwalker Wrote:  Instead of giving away 1000 bucks a month to make up for automation....how about they just make automation illegal and stop it from happening in the first place. Government already shows it's got no problem meddling in the private sector, so fuck it, just make it illegal. A country needs to recognize for the sake of it's collective national mental health the necessity that men need and are designed to work so they have purpose in life, value, and a sense of self worth. Which ultimately in the end helps get them girls and keeps em outa trouble. We think drugs, slothfulness, and narcissism are bad now, wait til everyone starts getting Yangbucks.

Fuck you Yang and the horse you rode in on. And your momma too! 1000 bucks a month my ass. Where's it all gonna come from. Won't be long til there's nothing left steal....I mean "redistribute".

*Edit- I tried to calculate what would 12k a year multiplied by an estimated percent of the population receiving this so called UBI and my calculator started smoking and almost exploded.
It doesn't work like that. The rest of the world will still automate and then we won't be able to compete in the global marketplace, similar to what happened to our automobile industry.
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“What exactly is the strategy moving forward?”

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Nothing to say about Yang or his policy, but I just found that his political problems & solutions book (Like Trump's Crippled America) is called "The War on Normal People" which is rather on the nose and something I'd expect more from say, Tucker Carlson than a guy going for the Dem nomination.
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I used to be a conservatard. Then I discovered mathematics.

Automation = less jobs.

To maintain wages and hours worked you therefore need less people.

If your plan doesn't involve welfare OR less people then you are delusional. Grandpa Trump wants MORE people and no welfare, making him even more retarded than the the people who think that merely stopping immigration will be enough. Cynics would go as far as to say that if he's not retarded then his motive can only be to collapse wages and conditions on behalf of the (((corporate sector))).

Say it ain't so.

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Yang would just be setting up the final pieces of state control for the brutal commie who comes after him. At that point heritage America will be crushed and government will have total control, UBI being the checkmate move. He'll feign concern about whites dying just to tide you over long enough till they can deliver the death blow.
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1000 bucks a month buys a lot of ammo.

The saviour of heritage America was never going to come from DC. Not ever. We were all fools to think otherwise. If heritage America wants to live into the next century then they can finally put their 2nd amendment into use.

That's what it was put there for in the first place.

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We're on the verge of something new here: something that has the potential of bordering on the Trump phenomenon to put it simply. This thread may go all the way.

At this point I am alienated by politics; I see it as glorified identity politics (or, collective political turf wars) rather than pragmatic problem solving. Is it any wonder shit is so dysfunctional now within the Beltway? For a brief background, I voted for Johnson in '16 as both a protest vote and a vote for solutions, rather than identity politics as I see it. I saw the potential in Trump but I reserved the judgement that as a movement, the Trump train would stall at some point after he was elected. At that point in time, I predicted one of two things would happen, no joke: one, the trump movement would be destroyed by within from globalists and neo-liberals (in his admin), or two, get derailed in a foreign war. I would say the first has happened, and that we're on the cusp of number two happening, whether it be Venezuela or some other impoverished third world boogeyman.

Philosophically or ideologically you could call me a paleo-libertarian, or in other words, a libertarian with strong social conservative leanings. I am old enough to remember the failings of the Ron Paul movement circa 2008 or so, despite the massive amounts of grassroots support the guy had. Very appalled was how I would put it about how that movement--the one I still most closely identify with-- which failed. Obama's election didn't even bother me that much, because even though the people were Obama drones, they didn't seem that self-loathing or self-hating at all. They had the spirit of something more than business as usual--and that was ok. While we could say Obama was a messianic figure within the modern liberal movement, it didn't seem overtly like narcissistic identity politics that he was pushing, even though it was beneath the veneer of triumphant liberal idealism. In hindsight he was fits the mold of modern liberal candidates, selected for their skill in pushing identity politics. What bothers me is he got a second term rubber-stamped despite the fact that he did nothing to improve our situation collectively following the recession. The massive shill-ery in the media for him despite his obvious shortcomings was also troubling.

Now we are faced with Andrew Yang. He could go all the way. He is not that charismatic, but then again, neither was Bernie, who was very successful despite Democratic interventions in the primary last election cycle. People say Obama was charismatic, but I never saw it that way. He always looked like a guy very insecure about his identit(ies) but who was very successful in deceiving people who always just looked towards first impressions. If we could say anything about Trump, it is not so much charisma as it is pure Alpha-ness, non-supplication, and street fighting skills learned from his time in New York that made him so appealing. To be clear: Trump ran on what was essentially a crypto-identity politics platform. People were able to hear the dog-whistles if you will, to see what he was really saying about the direction the US was, and is, headed.

Mr. Yang is really exciting despite the fact that he sounds like your garden-variety Silicon Valley approved entrepreneur. Let’s be honest: he probably has the backing of many in the Valley although I’m not trying to be overly cynical about his overall message and palatability to us on the forum. It is very possible that he is Silicon Valley’s Trojan horse being pushed to prevent a true clamp-down on the overall toxic-ness of Big Tech. He is probably backed by them because of the basic income message. Many there are in favor of it, off the top of my head, Zuckerberg, and I think also Peter Thiel. It may just be an effort to cut their losses.

His message about the basic income is groundbreaking, although within economic circles, both mainstream and heterodox, it has been talked about for many years. It was in the 60’s that of all people, both Milton Friedman and MLK were proposing it. It is refreshing that he’s not running on reparations. Unlike other Dems he has actually created jobs. He also is maybe a crypto-accelerationist looking at his positions. If you remember, Trump was also a Crypto-Accelerationist. Additionally he is a crypto-enthuasist, he proposes using the block-chain for voting!

On some level the guy grasps the technological changes happening much better than any other candidate or politician. He is an ideas guy, and that has me excited. He sees the changes happening and knows it can’t be business as usual. That’s far better than 99 percent of politicians.

He also is memeable as fuck, and we will see how Meme Magic goes this time.

I’m already read his whole platform, and even if I don’t agree with all of it, I’m actually looking forward to hearing the debate that happens concerning it and some of his more radical proposals.

He could be our guy.

Bottom line is if he keeps generating attention and scrutiny, we will have a much better election speaking holistically, than without him. He may be the guy that keeps Trump, or the Dems for that matter, honest and pushes ideas and solutions forward. I have not been this excited about a candidate since Ron Paul.

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Yang may be a decade or two too early.

With all the billions being invested in automation--Google, Uber, and Tesla are all in on automated driving, for example--it'll be harder and harder to find something that a person can do better and cheaper than a robot. Not today, not tomorrow, but soon, people are going to have to find meaning to their lives that doesn't involve being defined by your job. (What's one of the first things you get asked when you meet someone? "What do you do?" What's one of the big metrics men are judged by? How much money you make). Yang is at least thinking about that, which puts him light years ahead of every politician alive. I'm happy he's out there pushing the Overton window forward.
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(03-10-2019 12:37 AM)Sumanguru Wrote:  Yang may be a decade or two too early.

With all the billions being invested in automation--Google, Uber, and Tesla are all in on automated driving, for example--it'll be harder and harder to find something that a person can do better and cheaper than a robot. Not today, not tomorrow, but soon, people are going to have to find meaning to their lives that doesn't involve being defined by your job. (What's one of the first things you get asked when you meet someone? "What do you do?" What's one of the big metrics men are judged by? How much money you make). Yang is at least thinking about that, which puts him light years ahead of every politician alive. I'm happy he's out there pushing the Overton window forward.

This, but his contributions to political discourse will be long lasting. I have to give Trump credit for bringing much needed scrutiny to White Plight, loss of factory jobs, and ongoing american decline (cultural as well as economic).

You hit the nail on the head about the Overton Window. Now is the ripe moment to be reflective on the technological changes happening that will have a lasting impact on the organization of modern society. In fact, the last time in the public sphere something so consequential was said about tech was probably Ted Kaczynski (he has had a lasting effect on leftist scholars of technology despite his obvious repugnant endorsement of violence).

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RE: The Andrew Yang thread
I don't know much about him, but I haven't seen anyone else discussing a solution to all the people who are going to be put out of work by automation. Keep in mind that capitalist elites and corporations have chosen to side with the crazy leftists and SJWs, because ultimately it preserves their corruption and wealth. Their only goal is accumulation of profits. They have no other values. On top of that, we have Alexandria Cortez who is a fraud who is being fed a script. We really need a new leader with gravitas and intellect or we are going to be ruled by lunatics. Most people are still oblivious to how serious this is.



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03-10-2019 01:43 AM
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