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Universal Basic Income is the worse idea I can imagine. We have way more than enough slackers and do-nothing-bitches already. Ending all welfare programs and the minimum wage would be the best way to jumpstart this economy again. Yang has an inferiority complex, I believe he hates the White man.

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(07-03-2019 01:12 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  He isn't a sell out at least, but I don't consider someone "morally sound" when they will not stick to their principles.

His slogan is "Math" and then he wants to give out $1,000 a month and let the other 95% of the world flood in. It doesn't take very high "math" skills to know this will be an epic failure.

This is my biggest problem with his UBI shtick, aside from imperfect examples using threats like robo-trucking (that's still a way off yet). He acknowledges that yes, technology is going to obviate many jobs and in some cases already has, therefore we need to prepare for the eventuality that we will have all kinds of people with nothing productive to do. Couldn't agree more, this reality is much too readily dismissed by people who should know better.

In the next breath however, Yang refuses to acknowledge the basic idea that too much labor at any skill level or legal category is only going to depress wages further and create even more UBI candidates. You either have an imminent situation of too many workers with nothing of value to do or you do not - there is no splitting the difference.

We are indeed facing this socioeconomic elephant in the room, but the second he opened that Overton window, the cheap labor and easy-vote oligarchs threw him out of it before he even started his campaign.

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(08-25-2019 08:58 PM)newlife Wrote:  Universal Basic Income is the worse idea I can imagine. We have way more than enough slackers and do-nothing-bitches already. Ending all welfare programs and the minimum wage would be the best way to jumpstart this economy again. Yang has an inferiority complex, I believe he hates the White man.

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And where do you get this ridiculous and dumb statement from? Is that an actual quote or something? He hates white people? Really? Dodgy
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Yeah if anything UBS would actually rebalance the current racial bias of welfare against whites. It's not that hard to understand but it goes a bit against conventional wisdom.

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Just to confirm, the skeptics on this thread still think that driverless trucks are a pipe dream, right? Apparently not.

Quote:UPS has been quietly delivering cargo using self-driving trucks

The delivery giant has announced a minority stake in autonomous trucking startup TuSimple

UPS has had autonomous trucking startup TuSimple hauling cargo for it between Phoenix and Tucson, Arizona, since May as part of a newly publicized partnership between the two companies. The delivery giant made the announcement today alongside the news that its venture arm is taking a minority stake in TuSimple. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

TuSimple had previously run a partnership with the United States Postal Service in May, where the startup’s trucks carried mail on the 1,000-mile stretch between the USPS’s Phoenix, Arizona, and Dallas, Texas, distribution centers. That pilot has since ended, though the two sides are discussing “next steps,” according to a TuSimple spokesperson.

Founded in 2015, TuSimple uses Navistar trucks outfitted with the startup’s own self-driving tech, which sees the world largely through nine cameras. While each truck is outfitted with a pair of LIDAR sensors as well, the startup is focused on developing a vision-based autonomous system — similar to what Tesla uses in its cars. The startup is already backed by Nvidia and Chinese technology company Sina, and it has a headquarters in San Diego, California, and another in Beijing.

The trucks in use still have a safety driver and an engineer on board who monitor the system, like many of the other self-driving pilot programs currently running in the United States.
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So many avenues whereby he could have gained clout by sticking to logical & rational content.
Yet I guess ranting that 'orange man bad', was too difficult to avoid.

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In the end his positions are incompatible with logic and doubly incompatible with his party.

As Slicky alluded, you can't reasonably be for a UBI "'cause there's too many people and not enough jobs" yet also be for "skilled immigration", neither can you be against open-slather immigration and be a leader in the DNC.

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Yang really had a chance to make a difference. Even if he didn't win the Democratic nomination he stood a chance on the national stage with a very important message to share and the free air time to do it. And for whatever reason, either he isn't very smart/strong or he was told to knock it off by the powers that be, he ran his campaign and his message right into the ground. He is a complete failure.
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Personally I had the faintest hope that Yang's soft image was a front for a more ruthless tactician.

Turns out he was just soft through and through.

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(08-27-2019 07:19 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  Yang really had a chance to make a difference. Even if he didn't win the Democratic nomination he stood a chance on the national stage with a very important message to share and the free air time to do it. And for whatever reason, either he isn't very smart/strong or he was told to knock it off by the powers that be, he ran his campaign and his message right into the ground. He is a complete failure.


Honestly I feel like Yang in the national stage beats Trump massively. I say this because if you give the American people the choice between Trump again and $1000 per month, most people will go for the $1000 bucks. I can see him winning many red states especially the poorer ones like West Virginia, Kentucky, Mississippi, Alabama.

The problem with Yang is name recognition. The majority of the American people simply do not know who he is. He reminds me a lot of Ron Paul where he had a very strong and supportive niche of voters but never really got passed that.
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(08-27-2019 09:51 AM)perros Wrote:  
(08-27-2019 07:19 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  Yang really had a chance to make a difference. Even if he didn't win the Democratic nomination he stood a chance on the national stage with a very important message to share and the free air time to do it. And for whatever reason, either he isn't very smart/strong or he was told to knock it off by the powers that be, he ran his campaign and his message right into the ground. He is a complete failure.


Honestly I feel like Yang in the national stage beats Trump massively. I say this because if you give the American people the choice between Trump again and $1000 per month, most people will go for the $1000 bucks. I can see him winning many red states especially the poorer ones like West Virginia, Kentucky, Mississippi, Alabama.

The problem with Yang is name recognition. The majority of the American people simply do not know who he is. He reminds me a lot of Ron Paul where he had a very strong and supportive niche of voters but never really got passed that.

Yang might beat Trump head to head, but the Democrats will never let him win unless he supports anti-American ideologies like "free healthcare for illegals but not for US citizens". I guess he already did sell out and support anti-American failed ideologies like this but it was too little too late. His UBI ideas will never be allowed by the Democrat party.

So Yang should use this time to voice his very important knowledge about the lack of jobs due to technology in the coming years instead of selling out at every opportunity.

Your Democrat nominee will be one of these three...

Bernie
Biden
Warren

I am still leaning towards Warren, she has the Wall Street backing now and Bernie and Biden are too old to connect with the Democrat young base.
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Yup, pretty much why I've stated:

Yang beats Trump
Trump beats everyone else

What remains to be seen is if Yang can win the D nomination

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(08-27-2019 12:56 PM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  Yup, pretty much why I've stated:

Yang beats Trump
Trump beats everyone else

What remains to be seen is if Yang can win the D nomination

I am not sure if Trump beats anyone from the Democrat front runners. He barely beat a very much hated Hillary Clinton and everything has gone against him since then.

But I am sure that Yang, or really anyone not named "Bernie", "Biden" or "Warren" will win the Democrat nominee. Even if Yang was that popular the Democrats would shut him down and choose one of the chosen three. Just like they shut down Bernie and choose Hillary.
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IIRC The NYT had HRC at 95% against Trump on election night and she got blown out.... Trump has a lot of supporters like me who will not wear a Trump or MAGA hat because I don't need the aggravation of using my constitutional concealed carry 24/7 rights against some snowflake psycho NLM/Antifa DSA member with TDS syndrome.

I like a lot of what Yang says and warns about what is coming to the USA and other developed economies though I consider Yang to be a stealth CCP agent in the USA and will transfer even more USA industry offshore as he is much more services focused. He is likely to favor Communist Red Chinese factories to be staffed with Red Chinese workers to be opened in US Foreign-Trade Zones because Chinese under Xi (are forced) to work much harder than USA Union workers.

In the end, Yang is using his UBI schtick to further his own Celebrity and make some personal millions on Books Bernie Sanders style - which is actually a very good Marketing Plan as the media will gravitate towards Yang as much more intelligent and reasonable than Sanders or AOC with their crazy socialist $93 Trillion Green New Steal. Yang at least supports Chinese Controlled Free Markets.

The latest Monmouth Polls have Warren at 20% Sanders at 20% Biden at 19% This weekend a reporter gave him a softball question about if he liked Keene, NH and he said he loved Vermont and its people - a Gaffe Riot and too much lost cognitive function to win...

In the meantime, the people who make your bread, ship your groceries, provide your health and dental care and build your homes and make/sell your tech stuff are all making hay while the Trumpian Sun Shines...

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(08-27-2019 01:08 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(08-27-2019 12:56 PM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  Yup, pretty much why I've stated:

Yang beats Trump
Trump beats everyone else

What remains to be seen is if Yang can win the D nomination

I am not sure if Trump beats anyone from the Democrat front runners. He barely beat a very much hated Hillary Clinton and everything has gone against him since then.

But I am sure that Yang, or really anyone not named "Bernie", "Biden" or "Warren" will win the Democrat nominee. Even if Yang was that popular the Democrats would shut him down and choose one of the chosen three. Just like they shut down Bernie and choose Hillary.

One thing to keep in mind is that Trump is a much better campaigner than he is on execution. It's easy to forget since he has to put in the work right now, but I wouldn't be surprise come election time Campaign Trump shows up again and gets re-elected.

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Ok, even I have to admit this is a real pussy move:


It's hard to respect a dude who shits on law enforcement like that.

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GK, you're still acting like Yang has a chance to be the Democrat nominee?

Sometimes this forum, I tell ya ...

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(09-01-2019 06:20 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  GK, you're still acting like Yang has a chance to be the Democrat nominee?

Sometimes this forum, I tell ya ...

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Agree.

Its going to be between Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. The party has shifted way to the left. Joe Biden is not going to be the nominee, he just isn't, he is a huge gaffe machine and every-time he opens his mouth his poll numbers drop. Little by little his poll numbers will continue to drop. The only reason he is up in the first place is because of name recognition and because of "Obama nostalgia".

Tucker Carlson talks about this right here and I agree with what he says.






Its going to come down to Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren with Sanders edging it out.

Like I said in my prediction in the predictions thread, Bernie has the grassroots support on the ground and a giant organizational apparatus that none of the candidates have. He also has a more broader coalition of the electorate where he has young people, old people, women, Latinos, Blacks, and poor whites. Elizabeth Warren's coalition is mainly college educated whites, she is abysmal with minorities.

Surprisingly, Biden supporters second choice is Bernie Sanders (Name recognition)

Yang supporters and Tulsi Gabbard supporters will flock to Bernie Sanders when they drop out.
Biden supporters will flock to Bernie Sanders
Unions will all flock to Bernie Sanders
AOC and Ilhan Omar (The new darlings of the left) will endorse Bernie Sanders

In my opinion Bernie is going to take it. He's saying all the right things the Democratic base wants to hear (Medicare For All, Green New Deal, $15 minimum wage, Free College, Cancelling All Student Debt, Railing against NAFTA and TPP, Legalize Marijuana, etc...) and people are underestimating how left the Democratic party has become.
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To me it's amazing that Warren even made this comeback. All that matters to me is that there are enough Biden type "legacy" voters or "moderates" to make the primary a duel. As I said before, the primary model will then show that it'll be impossible to beat Trump, with the Dems again divided and disgusted at themselves in times of the inimitable Orange Man.

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Yang might be sliding into irrelevancy but his message of automation is not.

In this video from a fast food joint, a mouse jumps into the deep fryer and dies. The employees are clueless about how to turn off the deep fryer. Everyone just stands around like deer in headlights. See 2:20.




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There is no reason to think that Pocahontas or any other democrat wont pick up UBI in the general election.
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(09-08-2019 02:32 PM)Enoch Wrote:  There is no reason to think that Pocahontas or any other democrat wont pick up UBI in the general election.

I'm amazed they have not done so already. They don't have to follow through, they can just promise it, beat Trump, then drop it with some weak excuse.
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(09-08-2019 02:41 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(09-08-2019 02:32 PM)Enoch Wrote:  There is no reason to think that Pocahontas or any other democrat wont pick up UBI in the general election.

I'm amazed they have not done so already. They don't have to follow through, they can just promise it, beat Trump, then drop it with some weak excuse.

If they do and threaten to win, there is another very relevant thread on this forum.
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