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A lot of guys seem to not understand the "support" going on here. Yang is the accelerationist candidate. Not the messiah who is going to solve all our problems and promise us the world and meme us into some manic hype that never has a chance of coming to fruition. He will accelerate us into the inevitable faster than the slow drip of impotent Jewish subverted conservatism.

Let's also be clear on UBI. If small, high IQ, high performing, high trust, homogenous countries and cultures such as those of Scandinavia cannot pull off UBI...then the United States and it's giant minority population, welfare underclass, and tax dodging corporations, have no chance in hell of doing it.

I'm not writing off the concept entirely, but it will never, ever, work in this country as it exists today.
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Just read up on Yang. He went to Exeter Academy boarding school.

Another well-known alumnus

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Should win him a few votes with the pro-Bateman crowd.

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Yang taking questions from a local New Hampshire news audience. Gives a bit of a sense in how he will handle himself on the debate stage.





Things I heard that I like:

1. He wants to make the Supreme Court operate on 18 year terms (something I've thought for years is the smart move); every President gets 2 appointments. The current structure of aiming for young candidates at the expense of the best candidate is a perverse incentive.

2. He actually called out the climate change hysteria with facts and said the "harsh truth" is that the US isn't the world, that we only make up 15% of global emissions and even if we do everything right, it might only have a 5% impact on worldwide emissions. What we should be doing is investing in our infrastructure to be more resilient and sustainable against climate change while still trying to address the more extreme stuff affecting the climate worldwide. Goto 25:30 in the video to see him talk about this specifically.

3. He wants to use the blockchain via smartphones to vote but only when the technology is ready. Why do we have to stand in line and pull levers, on a non-federal holiday, for a system that isn't even reliable or that people trust?

Dude just makes sense. Almost can't believe there is a democrat in 2019 like him running.
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Forget fictional alums. Two young men who founded SJW-leaning companies in SillyCon Valley are also graduates of Exeter: Mark Zuckerberg (Facebook) and Adam D'Angelo (Quora).

Expect ideas and expertise out of that crowd, but not any kind of thinking that really challenges the status quo.

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I would never have imagined the day a RVF member would donate to a Democrat candidate preaching Universal Basic Income.

Is this a troll attempt? Early April's fool?

EDIT: I just scrolled through the JRE youtube comments and the overwhelming majority are positive. Gotta have to watch the whole thing.
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(03-11-2019 12:58 PM)HD668B Wrote:  I would never have imagined the day a RVF member would donate to a Democrat candidate preaching Universal Basic Income.

Is this a troll attempt? Early April's fool?

No just black pillers, accelerationists, and dudes disappointed in what they see Trump "failed" with.

But, I've subbed this thread - it'll be interesting to see what happens.
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In January I predicted that Andrew Yang might actually see some success based on his platform and style. But I never imagined that this socialist apparatchik and likely friend to Beijing would get so much support on RVF. Politics is a riot.

(01-20-2019 01:06 AM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  Apart from the fact that this guy is an Asian man and automatically starts out with a disadvantage in terms of charisma among American voters, his approach is actually very dangerous. He's picking apart the problems afflicting the country methodically and explaining the Trump phenomenon calmly, as opposed to charging at him like a rabid TDS-sufferer. He's even willing to admit that the Democrats are stupid when it comes to keeping the government shut down over border wall semantics.

In the current environment, when the mainstream media and academia still hold power over the "expert" narrative on what is logically good or bad for the USA, a politician like Andrew Yang, or at least one who says similar things to what he's saying, could easily pull a lot of swing voters by sounding intelligent and composed.
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(03-11-2019 12:26 PM)Once Was Not Wrote:  A lot of guys seem to not understand the "support" going on here. Yang is the accelerationist candidate. Not the messiah who is going to solve all our problems and promise us the world and meme us into some manic hype that never has a chance of coming to fruition. He will accelerate us into the inevitable faster than the slow drip of impotent Jewish subverted conservatism.

I'm sure there are some folks like that; with a strategic crash landing mindset. Which I don't think is entirely invalid honestly from some perspectives. Even I think to myself: Everyone else (poor peope and rich people) have been getting their cut for a LONG time. Why shouldn't I? And if it all goes to hell, at least I've got some my hard earned tax dollars that have been wasted on stupid shit back.

But some of us also actually want smart solutions that will solve real problems that will make for a decent life in the USA. Yang's platform isn't perfect but it is a massive move in the right direction from where the democrats currently sit at. Similar to how Trump's 2016 platform was a massive move in the right direction from the GOP side.

Since the democrats are probably going to be running the show in the near future with super majority control, I think it is important to have someone like Yang setting the tone and agenda; forcing the democrat party as a whole to defend his sensible policies as a uniform group; which they are way better at doing vs the GOP.

For example: For as bad and haphazard as Obamacare has proven to be, the democrats will defend that shit show until the cows come home.

When Trump proposes building a wall and reforming the immigration system with a technical majority, he can't or won't even make a stand for his original platform in part because the GOP is full of traitors.

The point is, the democrats and the entire MSM apparatus is largely loyal to their democrat leadership for better or worse (excluding AOC and Omar types who are exceptions) and they, the democrat party, are going to be running the show soon. Therefore, I should probably get the best democrat possible to become their leader. Do I want the AOC lunatic types, the corporate uniparty, or the sensible Yang types to take charge?

Yang is a million miles better than any current democrat and even Trump in many way since Yang has actually thought through the issues intelligently and is offering concrete solutions that are fair, rational, and smart for the most part. Additionally, he is pro-family, anti-identity politics, and has the audacity as a democrat in 2019 to acknowledge working class white people and their struggles. That's a pretty good start and makes it worthwhile to follow him for a bit and see how things play out.

Trump is a great sales guy but he has very little actual core belief system with any sort of depth excluding a few things. He talks a big game but than delegates to traitors to implement the agenda he is selling. Now that he has no MAGA guys around practically, he is selling whatever the anti-MAGA guys tell him is legit; like calling Coulter a "wacky nut job"... a massive slap in the face to his loyal supporters. His solution to healthcare the entire campaign for instance amounted to "get rid of state lines." And he hasn't done dick squat on healthcare which is hurting a lot of Americans everyday; financially and otherwise. His healthcare reform packaged in 2016 was garbage and it failed anyway with a technical majority not only because it sucked, but because the GOPe hated him.

I thought he was this big time deal maker that got shit done with decades of executive experience? Instead Trump blames everyone and everything else. But never himself. If he did, he'd fired Kushner tomorrow and bring in a Bannon like crew. Instead of swamp creature AG Barr to replace Sessions (which the GOP lost a critical senate seat for - great deal), we'd get MAGA guy Mr. Kris Kobach instead. Arrogant, sell out, incompetent, doesn't matter. He ain't getting it done and he isn't even trying to fight for the MAGA agenda because many of his actions and the people he has hired are largely neutral and/or anti-MAGA. That's not a minor issue; that's a fundamental core problem.

Let me try to explain my mindset here:

I'm not loyal to any particular political party. I'm loyal to good ideas and good people, that make sense, and can improve my quality of life and the lives of my fellow countryman. And can execute realistically on their platform. The tides are pushing the USS United States toward a democrat super majority. Trump was elected to alter the course but he has failed, has proven to be incompetent, and he has turned on his crew that have been very loyal to him. He talks a big game but his actions don't support what he is largely selling anymore.

Kushner, a dual citizen of a foreign country and who has displayed overt allegiances to said foreign country, has a massive influence on Trump's agenda. He is NOT a MAGA guy at all and he is STILL around. ACTIONS is what matters. Not talk. It's 2019 and we have plenty of dubious actions to cite now. I WANT Trump 2016 back but that guy seems to be missing in action now and I don't think he is ever coming back. Most of his recent actions don't support the 2016 version of him coming back at least.

So people who fail to deliver, are incompetent, and turn their back on me can fuck right on off. It's not black pill to be pissed about this; it's logical and justified to be pissed and to consider alternatives.

The current democrat field excluding Yang is basically a dumpster fire that I can't consciously support even as a protest vote against Trump. They are simply too beyond the pale. It was the same deal with Trump and the dumpster fire of GOP candidates; all of whom I found repulsive. In a uniparty vs uniparty 2016 battle (Merchant King of Gauc Bowls Bush vs Cankles Hillary, for example), I would have just sat it out and left the country probably. That or find Samseau and get on his Anarchy in the US platform.

If it comes down to SJW/anti-male/anti-white democrat vs Trump, I'm voting Trump. Lesser of two evils.

If it comes down to Yang vs Trump, the jury is still out.
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It's one thing to admit Trump has accomplished little but that doesn't mean you go full tilt socialist. This is black pill.
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(03-11-2019 02:33 PM)Hypno Wrote:  It's one thing to admit Trump has accomplished little but that doesn't mean you go full tilt socialist. This is black pill.

AOC and Bernie are the socialist here.

As a country, we have been socializing the losses and privatizing the profits for a LONG time. 12 TRILLION dollars or thereabouts expansion of the debt in a decade and what does the average American have to show for it?

FUCK ALL. More expensive real estate, healthcare, food, energy, etc.

Cheap debt and money expansion has benefited only a small class of people, most of whom didn't need the money in the first place. They just used YOUR MONEY (unless you don't consider the US debt "your money") to consolidate power even further.

All Yang is trying to do is balance things out a bit, putting some of the burden back on the people at the top who have seen massive wealth generation AT THE EXPENSE of taxpayers.

And given that the whole automation/AI/robot wave IS coming and these people are going to have even more power/control/wealth in the near future given the present course, it is smart to deal with this massive change in the economy NOW in a sensible way as oppose to later when civil disorder has increased exponentially.

But hey, let's give those multi-nationals a huge tax break and then bail them out after they fuck up. That will improve your lot in life. Oh, that's right: we did that already.

Did Trump lower income taxes for individuals substantially like he did for corporations? Nope... said he wanted to do Tax Cuts 2.0 with his technical majority but never got around to it. Oh well... guess he needed to get a tweet out or something.

When the 2008 financial crisis occurred, who did the government go save with gov't funds? They could have paid off everyone's mortgage loans, many of them upside down, OR they could save the shady big banks who caused the mess in the first place. Well, we know what happened there.

The point is: You live in a somewhat socialized country already and you don't even realize it. Except you're been getting fucked along with many other Americans while the power elites, MNCs, and uniparty types make off like bandits.
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Yes we are somewhat socialized. Yang is socialism dressed up as populism. Black pill. Take that shit somewhere else
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(03-11-2019 01:06 PM)kaotic Wrote:  
(03-11-2019 12:58 PM)HD668B Wrote:  I would never have imagined the day a RVF member would donate to a Democrat candidate preaching Universal Basic Income.

Is this a troll attempt? Early April's fool?

No just black pillers, accelerationists, and dudes disappointed in what they see Trump "failed" with.

But, I've subbed this thread - it'll be interesting to see what happens.

Trump didn't fail. He's juggling 360+ million people and moneyed interests side by side. That's called government.

Here's a contrarian opinion that will most likely rustle the jimmies of many people here.

These so called black pill posters in this thread who support this position on the basis of accelerationism are outright quitters who fail to realize that a "collapse" will disproportionately hit them the hardest.

"Oh but I pissed off to muh 3rd world poissy paradise. I'm prepared."

Oh really? You don't think a sudden rise in food prices won't affect you? That the collapse of the west and its financial markets won't affect your ability to maintain the standard of living you've been accustomed to? Or that the locals won't look hungrily at you Mr. 1st Worlder and wonder what goodies you have for the taking after you've been fucking through all of their women?

Just like getting punched in the face, you'll have a plan until the collapse actually happens. Then you won't and will be just as f*cked as everyone else.

If such a collapse does happen, the only good thing that will come of it are the fact that those black pill quitters will be the first to be ground up in either the military machine via draft / accidental death, starvation, disease, or work camps.

That Male/Female ratio, horrible job market, and other crap those quitters always complain about won't be an issue anymore because they won't be around to care.

And the world would probably be better off too.
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(03-11-2019 12:26 PM)Once Was Not Wrote:  Let's also be clear on UBI. If small, high IQ, high performing, high trust, homogenous countries and cultures such as those of Scandinavia cannot pull off UBI...then the United States and it's giant minority population, welfare underclass, and tax dodging corporations, have no chance in hell of doing it.

I'm not writing off the concept entirely, but it will never, ever, work in this country as it exists today.

But the sad thing is the experiment partially succeeded and thus it can still kindle hysteria in a totally different environment.

One theory blames America's lack of an National Health Service on the fact people don't feel kinship with people too different from them, and Europe was radically more homogenous then the USA at the time they introduced 'socialised medicine', so they were more willing to pay for strangers healthcare. The same should be true of UBI.

Yang says he wants to maintain people's option to keep their current benefits with all the conditions and red tape, as an alternative to no strings UBI. This means America will still have to pay for the old bureaucracy. I know he is doing this because otherwise he'll be sniped from all sides by those who's on-paper benefits are going down, but it still is a stupid position.

His ethnicity adds addtional softpower complications. When he is winning, he'll be a ABT with no relation to China, but if he is Bernie'd by the DNC, or loses a election, Chinese media and hotheads won't stop giving this as a prime example of how America hates China and the Chinese.

Former Washington governor Gary Locke(骆家辉) did help redpill some Chinese with his humble lifestyle but the safety constraints of the presidency wouldn't allow the hypothetical President Yang to slum it in any meaningful way.

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(03-11-2019 03:38 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  
(03-11-2019 01:06 PM)kaotic Wrote:  
(03-11-2019 12:58 PM)HD668B Wrote:  I would never have imagined the day a RVF member would donate to a Democrat candidate preaching Universal Basic Income.

Is this a troll attempt? Early April's fool?

No just black pillers, accelerationists, and dudes disappointed in what they see Trump "failed" with.

But, I've subbed this thread - it'll be interesting to see what happens.

Trump didn't fail. He's juggling 360+ million people and moneyed interests side by side. That's called government.

Here's a contrarian opinion that will most likely rustle the jimmies of many people here.

These so called black pill posters in this thread who support this position on the basis of accelerationism are outright quitters who fail to realize that a "collapse" will disproportionately hit them the hardest.

"Oh but I pissed off to muh 3rd world poissy paradise. I'm prepared."

Oh really? You don't think a sudden rise in food prices won't affect you? That the collapse of the west and its financial markets won't affect your ability to maintain the standard of living you've been accustomed to? Or that the locals won't look hungrily at you Mr. 1st Worlder and wonder what goodies you have for the taking after you've been fucking through all of their women?

Just like getting punched in the face, you'll have a plan until the collapse actually happens. Then you won't and will be just as f*cked as everyone else.

If such a collapse does happen, the only good thing that will come of it are the fact that those black pill quitters will be the first to be ground up in either the military machine via draft / accidental death, starvation, disease, or work camps.

That Male/Female ratio, horrible job market, and other crap those quitters always complain about won't be an issue anymore because they won't be around to care.

And the world would probably be better off too.

Normally I would just ignore such an inflammatory post, but I'm curious which members exactly you'd like to see gone from the world? What about me?

Some of you Trump loyalists are taking things way too personally lately. No need to wish death on people just for disagreement. We're all on the same team here. Some are just done hoping the government will turn things around. I'm focused on getting my personal life together, becoming financially independent, moving to a conservative area, becoming proficient with firearms, and moving to a different country if the need arises. It's not some apocalypse fetish, it's being realistic with the path society is taking. Whether we elect an "accelerationist" candidate or not, shit is still going in the same direction. It's a complete illusion to think conservatives are holding anything together, much less turning anything around. For fucks sake there are demon larping trannies reading to our children at school and I'm a Nazi for thinking it's wrong.
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(03-11-2019 04:23 PM)Once Was Not Wrote:  
(03-11-2019 03:38 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  
(03-11-2019 01:06 PM)kaotic Wrote:  
(03-11-2019 12:58 PM)HD668B Wrote:  I would never have imagined the day a RVF member would donate to a Democrat candidate preaching Universal Basic Income.

Is this a troll attempt? Early April's fool?

No just black pillers, accelerationists, and dudes disappointed in what they see Trump "failed" with.

But, I've subbed this thread - it'll be interesting to see what happens.

Trump didn't fail. He's juggling 360+ million people and moneyed interests side by side. That's called government.

Here's a contrarian opinion that will most likely rustle the jimmies of many people here.

These so called black pill posters in this thread who support this position on the basis of accelerationism are outright quitters who fail to realize that a "collapse" will disproportionately hit them the hardest.

"Oh but I pissed off to muh 3rd world poissy paradise. I'm prepared."

Oh really? You don't think a sudden rise in food prices won't affect you? That the collapse of the west and its financial markets won't affect your ability to maintain the standard of living you've been accustomed to? Or that the locals won't look hungrily at you Mr. 1st Worlder and wonder what goodies you have for the taking after you've been fucking through all of their women?

Just like getting punched in the face, you'll have a plan until the collapse actually happens. Then you won't and will be just as f*cked as everyone else.

If such a collapse does happen, the only good thing that will come of it are the fact that those black pill quitters will be the first to be ground up in either the military machine via draft / accidental death, starvation, disease, or work camps.

That Male/Female ratio, horrible job market, and other crap those quitters always complain about won't be an issue anymore because they won't be around to care.

And the world would probably be better off too.

Normally I would just ignore such an inflammatory post, but I'm curious which members exactly you'd like to see gone from the world? What about me?

Some of you Trump loyalists are taking things way too personally lately. No need to wish death on people just for disagreement. We're all on the same team here. Some are just done hoping the government will turn things around. I'm focused on getting my personal life together, becoming financially independent, moving to a conservative area, becoming proficient with firearms, and moving to a different country if the need arises. It's not some apocalypse fetish, it's being realistic with the path society is taking. Whether we elect an "accelerationist" candidate or not, shit is still going in the same direction. It's a complete illusion to think conservatives are holding anything together, much less turning anything around. For fucks sake there are demon larping trannies reading to our children at school and I'm a Nazi for thinking it's wrong.

Really? Because your post suggests otherwise.

Your "plan" to become proficient with firearms, move to a conservative area, bettering yourself? Cool story bro! With all due respect, I estimate you're about .03% of your way to achieving it given the way you've written about it. And even if the so-called "collapse" happens in 3-4 years from now your plan won't even be at 5% ready so you'll still be adversely affected by such an event.

I betcha the people who had plans in Kosovo thought they were well off until they weren't. Read up on how well those guys dealt with their own "collapse".

There's no deathwish on me to folks like yourself. It's just realty. In a collapse situation: we're all equally fucked and likely to not survive.

As for complaining about degeneracy, the fact is history has been replete with homosexuals, trannies, and other nasty stuff.

This guy was a damn royal in the french court of the sun king Louis the 14th and frequently dressed as a woman and was gay. No one cared! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_I...l%C3%A9ans

Don't even check out ancient Rome and Greece.

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Seems like he's a technocrat through and through, and under the delusion that automation is the majority of the economic problem, while offshoring, immigration influx, and women working are only minor factors... I'm pretty sure the exact opposite is true.
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I am not sure if people who advocate UBI have actually met another human being. With enough money to live on, a significant chunk of the population would smoke weed and play video games all day.
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Yang's platform is garbage. He is however intelligent enough to market himself very well to a disenfranchised audience. A lot of the things he is saying is pure pandering straight to what he thinks is his 'base' which many men and angry Trump voters are a part of.

He went on JR and tweeted today about helping unionize fighters in the UFC. He knows his audience well and him and his team have done the calculations, believe me.

Despite Trump's flaws and mistakes, it would be a blunder to support Yang.

If I was the Dems I would strategically engineer and sacrifice a candidate like Yang. Who cares if he doesn't become the nominee? His real end game is being implemented as we speak, convince enough people that there's no point in voting for Trump again.

Convince enough people to a stay home and boom, the real Dem nominee will have a better chance.
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(03-11-2019 06:35 PM)Neo Wrote:  Despite Trump's flaws and mistakes, it would be a blunder to support Yang.

Support Yang until the final election to crush establishment Dems, then vote Trump (if you think he's worth your vote).

Maybe you will vote Yang to get your bag:


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(03-11-2019 07:05 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
(03-11-2019 06:35 PM)Neo Wrote:  Despite Trump's flaws and mistakes, it would be a blunder to support Yang.

Support Yang until the final election to crush establishment Dems, then vote Trump (if you think he's worth your vote).

Nah, I'm supporting Creepy Joe Biden for the memes alone. I want to see him on a stage fondling Chelsea while Hillary and Bill watch. Hit the words "people are talking about this" in the tweet for a series of Creepy Uncle Joe vids and gifs

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(03-11-2019 12:26 PM)Once Was Not Wrote:  Let's also be clear on UBI. If small, high IQ, high performing, high trust, homogenous countries and cultures such as those of Scandinavia cannot pull off UBI...then the United States and it's giant minority population, welfare underclass, and tax dodging corporations, have no chance in hell of doing it.

I'm not writing off the concept entirely, but it will never, ever, work in this country as it exists today.

But the sad thing is the experiment partially succeeded and thus it can still kindle hysteria in a totally different environment.

One theory blames America's lack of an National Health Service on the fact people don't feel kinship with people too different from them, and Europe was radically more homogenous then the USA at the time they introduced 'socialised medicine', so they were more willing to pay for strangers healthcare. The same should be true of UBI.

Yang says he wants to maintain people's option to keep their current benefits with all the conditions and red tape, as an alternative to no strings UBI. This means America will still have to pay for the old bureaucracy. I know he is doing this because otherwise he'll be sniped from all sides by those who's on-paper benefits are going down, but it still is a stupid position.

His ethnicity adds addtional softpower complications. When he is winning, he'll be a ABT with no relation to China, but if he is Bernie'd by the DNC, or loses a election, Chinese media and hotheads won't stop giving this as a prime example of how America hates China and the Chinese.

Former Washington governor Gary Locke(骆家辉) did help redpill some Chinese with his humble lifestyle but the safety constraints of the presidency wouldn't allow the hypothetical President Yang to slum it in any meaningful way.

Oh I'm sure UBI will still be touted as viable, it'll take a lot more for the idea to be shot down than a failed attempt or two. It's a fundamental part of this leftist idea of the future where robots do almost all the work and we NEED UBI in our year zero utopia. But it'll definitely have to work in a smaller country first.

Just thinking about trying to implement it here is kind of mind boggling. All the ways it could go wrong and be sabotaged by lobbyists and activists and self serving politicians. All the emotions that come when touching people's welfare and money. The divisions along racial and gender lines. It'd be a massive clusterfuck.

His ethnicity would play a factor for sure. Someone from the smallest minority getting elected president? I find it highly unlikely. Identity politics would come into play. Ultimately I don't think he has a chance in hell of winning the nomination, so I'm kind of apathetic about this whole topic. I will admit does have some interesting ideas.
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(03-11-2019 12:26 PM)Once Was Not Wrote:  A lot of guys seem to not understand the "support" going on here. Yang is the accelerationist candidate. Not the messiah who is going to solve all our problems and promise us the world and meme us into some manic hype that never has a chance of coming to fruition. He will accelerate us into the inevitable faster than the slow drip of impotent Jewish subverted conservatism.

I'm sure there are some folks like that; with a strategic crash landing mindset. Which I don't think is entirely invalid honestly from some perspectives. Even I think to myself: Everyone else (poor peope and rich people) have been getting their cut for a LONG time. Why shouldn't I? And if it all goes to hell, at least I've got some my hard earned tax dollars that have been wasted on stupid shit back.

But some of us also actually want smart solutions that will solve real problems that will make for a decent life in the USA. Yang's platform isn't perfect but it is a massive move in the right direction from where the democrats currently sit at. Similar to how Trump's 2016 platform was a massive move in the right direction from the GOP side.

Since the democrats are probably going to be running the show in the near future with super majority control, I think it is important to have someone like Yang setting the tone and agenda; forcing the democrat party as a whole to defend his sensible policies as a uniform group; which they are way better at doing vs the GOP.

For example: For as bad and haphazard as Obamacare has proven to be, the democrats will defend that shit show until the cows come home.

When Trump proposes building a wall and reforming the immigration system with a technical majority, he can't or won't even make a stand for his original platform in part because the GOP is full of traitors.

The point is, the democrats and the entire MSM apparatus is largely loyal to their democrat leadership for better or worse (excluding AOC and Omar types who are exceptions) and they, the democrat party, are going to be running the show soon. Therefore, I should probably get the best democrat possible to become their leader. Do I want the AOC lunatic types, the corporate uniparty, or the sensible Yang types to take charge?

Yang is a million miles better than any current democrat and even Trump in many way since Yang has actually thought through the issues intelligently and is offering concrete solutions that are fair, rational, and smart for the most part. Additionally, he is pro-family, anti-identity politics, and has the audacity as a democrat in 2019 to acknowledge working class white people and their struggles. That's a pretty good start and makes it worthwhile to follow him for a bit and see how things play out.

Trump is a great sales guy but he has very little actual core belief system with any sort of depth excluding a few things. He talks a big game but than delegates to traitors to implement the agenda he is selling. Now that he has no MAGA guys around practically, he is selling whatever the anti-MAGA guys tell him is legit; like calling Coulter a "wacky nut job"... a massive slap in the face to his loyal supporters. His solution to healthcare the entire campaign for instance amounted to "get rid of state lines." And he hasn't done dick squat on healthcare which is hurting a lot of Americans everyday; financially and otherwise. His healthcare reform packaged in 2016 was garbage and it failed anyway with a technical majority not only because it sucked, but because the GOPe hated him.

I thought he was this big time deal maker that got shit done with decades of executive experience? Instead Trump blames everyone and everything else. But never himself. If he did, he'd fired Kushner tomorrow and bring in a Bannon like crew. Instead of swamp creature AG Barr to replace Sessions (which the GOP lost a critical senate seat for - great deal), we'd get MAGA guy Mr. Kris Kobach instead. Arrogant, sell out, incompetent, doesn't matter. He ain't getting it done and he isn't even trying to fight for the MAGA agenda because many of his actions and the people he has hired are largely neutral and/or anti-MAGA. That's not a minor issue; that's a fundamental core problem.

Let me try to explain my mindset here:

I'm not loyal to any particular political party. I'm loyal to good ideas and good people, that make sense, and can improve my quality of life and the lives of my fellow countryman. And can execute realistically on their platform. The tides are pushing the USS United States toward a democrat super majority. Trump was elected to alter the course but he has failed, has proven to be incompetent, and he has turned on his crew that have been very loyal to him. He talks a big game but his actions don't support what he is largely selling anymore.

Kushner, a dual citizen of a foreign country and who has displayed overt allegiances to said foreign country, has a massive influence on Trump's agenda. He is NOT a MAGA guy at all and he is STILL around. ACTIONS is what matters. Not talk. It's 2019 and we have plenty of dubious actions to cite now. I WANT Trump 2016 back but that guy seems to be missing in action now and I don't think he is ever coming back. Most of his recent actions don't support the 2016 version of him coming back at least.

So people who fail to deliver, are incompetent, and turn their back on me can fuck right on off. It's not black pill to be pissed about this; it's logical and justified to be pissed and to consider alternatives.

The current democrat field excluding Yang is basically a dumpster fire that I can't consciously support even as a protest vote against Trump. They are simply too beyond the pale. It was the same deal with Trump and the dumpster fire of GOP candidates; all of whom I found repulsive. In a uniparty vs uniparty 2016 battle (Merchant King of Gauc Bowls Bush vs Cankles Hillary, for example), I would have just sat it out and left the country probably. That or find Samseau and get on his Anarchy in the US platform.

If it comes down to SJW/anti-male/anti-white democrat vs Trump, I'm voting Trump. Lesser of two evils.

If it comes down to Yang vs Trump, the jury is still out.

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Quote:I am not sure if people who advocate UBI have actually met another human being. With enough money to live on, a significant chunk of the population would smoke weed and play video games all day.

That’s the point(sort of). We are going to continue to hemorrhage jobs to machines. There will be winners and losers. We can’t have the losers taking to the streets

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