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When I first heard a Asian man named Andrew Yangon was running for president promising UBI and taking donations in cryptocurrency I thought he was a troll but after listening to him speak I'm convinced this guy is a force to reckon with. Unlike AOC or Bernie he focuses on UBI and not gibs in every other direction making him a potent candidate. Trump had "The Wall" and Yang has Yang Bucks. He's very good at thinking on his feet, he has decent charisma, not as good as Obama but better than Hillary. He talks in calm, level headed way that makes an audience feel like he is the only adult in the room and it's comforting.

I like Yang, he is basically the smarter Chinese version of me, but his ideas looked under scrutiny are unworkable and his other ideas are tyrannical. Take for example his idea of placing all kinds of technical limitations on gun ownership. He knows he can't ban guns so his idea is to make gun ownership legally difficult enough that most sensible people abandon it willingly. He mentioned making it mandatory for people to have gun safes bolted to their homes, more licensing, more fees more surveillance. Basically he's taxing gun ownership out of the hands of the middle and lower classes. Eventually they will make it illegal to defend yourself with guns and you end up the same as Canada or Australia where guns aren't "banned" but there is little to no value in owning guns under heavy restrictions.

Whether or not UBI is achievable under Yang doesn't matter. If Americans willingly choose it there's no going back. It will accelerate the decline towards more totalitarianism and more government dependence.

When the government made college degrees abundant it made value of it become zero. Since everyone could easily attain one and most people did the credentials became the prerequisite for getting low-skilled jobs that didn't even need a high school diploma previously. The same thing will happen to the value of money. $1000 when given to everyone will only become the new zero on the measuring stick, making 10k the new $1000 and 100k worth $10000 and so on. I won't even get into how this will drastically change the sexual market dynamics when women will not have to depend on a beta thanks to Yang Bucks.
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Quote:OH DEAR GOD NO A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IS SPENDING MONEY TO MARKET HIMSELF HOW CAN THIS BE HAPPENING OH GOD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Can you imagine Kamala hiring people to make memes of her idiotic slavery reparations?




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Do you guys think the Yang Gang thing is Andrew Yang paying people to make memes?


I honestly think 4chan just likes trolling, but few things are coincidences in these days. I was rather shocked by how many Yang Gang memes I'm seeing in China. I'm privy to some Chinese meme pages and they're full of yanggery.

I still can't shake the feeling that he has some ties to Beijing that I haven't found out about. I know Lunostrelki touched on this but does anyone have any hard data?
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(03-11-2019 09:36 PM)eradicator Wrote:  
Quote:I am not sure if people who advocate UBI have actually met another human being. With enough money to live on, a significant chunk of the population would smoke weed and play video games all day.

That’s the point(sort of). We are going to continue to hemorrhage jobs to machines. There will be winners and losers. We can’t have the losers taking to the streets

If that is inevitable. Then all things being equal. We might as well reduce/the positive government subsidies that would encourage having children. Like childcare subsidies and so forth.

As well as welfare benefits like medicaid to disincentivize immigration.

And retain and strength strong border control and strict immigration policies like Japan until recently.

Then with the population drop off like Japan is experiencing now. And with ways to properly deal with an aging population. Automation would be much less problematic.
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I'm not concerned about the UBI, because he won't get it passed anyway. But, he is the first Democrat I have seen in a long time that doesn't immediately make me want to vomit. He is rational and talks about economic issues. Given that the Democrats are winning the demographic battle, he would be preferable to one of the evil witches. The handlers behind Ocasio-Cortez are nasty hard core communists, and they are vying to take over the majority party. The current democratic party establishment is committed to their destructive identity politics and they have zero new ideas. These are the alternatives to Andrew Yang. At least he is getting back to economic issues.

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I watched Joe Rogan's show with Andrew Yang. He seems like a smart guy but I don't think his plan is realistic. A few points:

-He mentioned introducing VAT (Value Added Tax) to pay for UBI. As many people outside of the US know, VAT is basically another form of sales tax. The way it's accounted for is different, but ultimately it is added to the price and consumers pay it. It's normally in the range of 15-20%. VAT can't just replace the sales tax in the US because states need sales tax money and it has to come from somewhere. If it's added to the sales tax, you are looking at 20-25% total sales tax or more. Otherwise local property and income taxes will rise to make up for lost sales tax revenue. Also, Yang doesn't even seem to understand what VAT is. He seems to think it's a tax on businesses but it's not, it's a consumption tax which is ultimately added to the final price and paid by the consumer.

-He wants to keep the current welfare system in addition to UBI, though those who get food stamps for example will have their UBI reduced by that amount. One of the main selling points of UBI is that it can be a simple and straightforward replacement of other forms of welfare. Keeping both doesn't make sense even if one reduces the other.

-I don't think the US or any other country for that matter is ready for UBI yet. Too many low skilled jobs still have to be done by humans (e.g. cleaning toilets, processing/selling food, waiting tables, etc). If you pay people not to work, most of them will simply stop working. Those who choose to keep working will demand much higher salaries which will lead to inflation which will likely cancel out most of the value of UBI. Then UBI will have to be increased until eventually you run out of other people's money like Thatcher said.
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Yang won't win 2020 or even get close to it likely.

Yet for 2024 or 2028, he's doing damn well to get his name out there. Far better than most of the other demented Democrats in the mix.
Plus, once Sanders is out of the picture simply due to age. I could see a lot of young kids turning to Yang.

& all it took was some 'dank' memes...
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If Trump can't get what he wants pushed through deep state this Yang guy will only be able to do what every other successful candidate does in order to get things done...

What hes told.
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(03-11-2019 10:58 PM)Sooth Wrote:  If Trump can't get what he wants pushed through deep state this Yang guy will only be able to do what every other successful candidate does in order to get things done...

What hes told.

The more things change...? :

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He broke the threshold today needed to qualify for the democrat debates this summer. It will be very interesting to see what happens when he gets a national stage platform to sell his ideas.

Keep in mind when viewing current polls: he had ZERO public profile before this campaign unlike all the sitting politicians who have used their public positions (and the free marketing that comes with them) to plan out their bids for POTUS for years. You don't have to agree with his platform but you should at least respect the hustle and effort given the massive marketing handicap he has had to start with.


Tim Pool (some guys have mentioned being a fan of his after seeing him rip the Twitter CEO and his lawyer twat on Joe Rogan recently) posted this:

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(03-11-2019 10:41 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  And retain and strength strong border control and strict immigration policies like Japan until recently.

Then with the population drop off like Japan is experiencing now. And with ways to properly deal with an aging population. Automation would be much less problematic.

What did Japan do recently?

I never bought the notion that Japan was in trouble simply because of an aging population and low replacement rate, particularly in light of the exponential automation of meaningful work. The Japanese rightly don't see any net benefit to importation of millions of cost ineffective and culturally incompatible personnel. Whether it's socioeconomics or just economics, the Asians are not predisposed to let guilt color their math.

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(03-11-2019 08:32 PM)Once Was Not Wrote:  Oh I'm sure UBI will still be touted as viable, it'll take a lot more for the idea to be shot down than a failed attempt or two. It's a fundamental part of this leftist idea of the future where robots do almost all the work and we NEED UBI in our year zero utopia. But it'll definitely have to work in a smaller country first.

The candidate from the governing party in France proposed it via a tax on automation, but he was absolutely destroyed at the ballot box. I doubt Yang would fair much better.

Quote:Just thinking about trying to implement it here is kind of mind boggling. All the ways it could go wrong and be sabotaged by lobbyists and activists and self serving politicians. All the emotions that come when touching people's welfare and money. The divisions along racial and gender lines. It'd be a massive clusterfuck.

Especially if funded by VAT taxes, as it's double-taxing money retirees have already earnt, and falls hardest on those too poor to go to Canada/Mexico to buy stuff.

Quote:His ethnicity would play a factor for sure. Someone from the smallest minority getting elected president? I find it highly unlikely. Identity politics would come into play. Ultimately I don't think he has a chance in hell of winning the nomination, so I'm kind of apathetic about this whole topic. I will admit does have some interesting ideas.
Not necessarily, Alberto Fujimori was massively successful in Peru, despite ethnic Japanese being a fraction of the population. Guy Scott was elected vice-president in Zambia despite post-colonial anger against Anglos.

(03-11-2019 10:08 PM)Fortis Wrote:  I honestly think 4chan just likes trolling, but few things are coincidences in these days. I was rather shocked by how many Yang Gang memes I'm seeing in China. I'm privy to some Chinese meme pages and they're full of yanggery.

I still can't shake the feeling that he has some ties to Beijing that I haven't found out about. I know Lunostrelki touched on this but does anyone have any hard data?
Both his parents are from Taiwan, the only country founded on resisting Beijing's Communist bandits. Many Australian politicians cuck out for China, but they aren't Chinese.

As for the memes, yes, they are paid shills, an entrepreneur like Yang is smart enough to fund viral advertising.

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(03-12-2019 12:07 AM)Transsimian Wrote:  
(03-11-2019 10:08 PM)Fortis Wrote:  I still can't shake the feeling that he has some ties to Beijing that I haven't found out about. I know Lunostrelki touched on this but does anyone have any hard data?
Both his parents are from Taiwan, the only country founded on resisting Beijing's Communist bandits. Many Australian politicians cuck out for China, but they aren't Chinese.

As for the memes, yes, they are paid shills, an entrepreneur like Yang is smart enough to fund viral advertising.

To be clear, I don't know enough yet to get a good idea of whether Yang is a CCP plant or just acting out of personal ambition, though the two are not mutually exclusive. A couple things though: he criticizes Trump for being tough on China, and he's a fan of implementing something similar to their social credit scheme. Now both things are not uncommon among liberal technocrats in America (I see trashy reports all the time bashing Trump for the trade war), but at the very least it's a refreshing tone for the old men in Beijing to hear.

Don't think someone being Taiwanese means they're necessarily anticommunist. Taiwan is full of traitors who came out of the woodwork after the KMT liberalized in the late 1980s, which let in both the baizuo and the corrupt CCP business interests.

A few years back there was a guy in New York, John Liu, also Taiwanese, who ran for mayor. He was supported by the triads who are in turn connected to the CCP, and associated with overseas Communist Chinese front associations.
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^ Thanks, I didn't mean to imply that you said he was purely communist or something.
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Frankly China is fast becoming a better horse to bet on for the goyim than the ZOG of the USA, and if Yang has greater sympathies towards Asia than Israel then good.

China doesn't care about me or any other white guy, but that's a big step up from the ZOGs of the West who's core policies are dedicated to destroying whites and their homelands. And that's not mere hyperbole. They make it abundantly clear for anyone who bothers to pay attention.

I gave Trump a year to seriously rock the apple cart. He failed. I gave him another year to prove he wasn't an openly anti-white POZ pushing zio-phile. He failed again.

They say doing the same thing over and over again is the definition of insanity but it's not. It's just garden variety stupidity.

Trump has proven himself to be nothing but a pressure relief valve on red America for the ZOG to continue to put their luciferian plans in place and ensure the erasure of white nations and white homelands. Pussies trying to play out the clock on Western civilisation to maintain their comfort zones for just a decade or two more are the real traitors. The Jews are shit-scared of a Chinese century because they can't pull their "fellow white people" bullshit so easily on the celestials, nor can they leverage their zionist bullshit through a massive network of Christcucks. The Chinese might seem like small-spirited bug people to me but at least they're not pushing white-genocide and full scale global luciferian POZ infection.

The US ZOG has to go, as do all ZOGs one way or another. Bankruptcy? Chinese takeover? I really don't give a shit. It's all better than being genocided or at best living as a despised minority under a totalitarian satanist global regime.

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The Yang subreddits are some fascinating places, some of the posts really tell about the early enthusiasm Yang is getting

https://www.reddit.com/r/YangForPresidentHQ/

Too early to tell if he'll just flame out like Ron Paul, but interesting to watch nevertheless

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(03-12-2019 12:06 AM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  
(03-11-2019 10:41 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  And retain and strength strong border control and strict immigration policies like Japan until recently.

Then with the population drop off like Japan is experiencing now. And with ways to properly deal with an aging population. Automation would be much less problematic.

What did Japan do recently?

I never bought the notion that Japan was in trouble simply because of an aging population and low replacement rate, particularly in light of the exponential automation of meaningful work. The Japanese rightly don't see any net benefit to importation of millions of cost ineffective and culturally incompatible personnel. Whether it's socioeconomics or just economics, the Asians are not predisposed to let guilt color their math.


Because if this is not fake news. I fear this is a thin slice of a wedge.
Quote:Japan will need more foreign workers to reach its 2 percent economic growth target, according to a new adviser to the government.

“If we’re going to do something in the next five to 10 years I can’t think of any other way than to systematically bring in more foreign workers,” said Shunpei Takemori, who recently joined the government’s economic and fiscal policy council. “It’s obvious that 350,000 more people over five years really isn’t enough.”

The government plans to issue up to 345,000 new visas over the next five years to foreign workers to help alleviate a labor shortage.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...gn-workers

And then there is womenomics which you can read more on the website itself:
Quote:At last month’s World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe boasted that women’s labor force participation had hit 67%, “an all-time high for Japan.” Abe deserves some credit: In the 1990s, Japan’s female labor participation was among the lowest in the developed world, now it is higher than in the U.S., where female labor force participation is just over 57%. To achieve this, and kickstart Japan’s stalled economy, Abe turned to “womenomics.”

Womenomics, a concept first articulated by Kathy Matsui, vice chair of Goldman Sachs Japan, seeks to boost gross domestic product by encouraging women’s labor force participation and reducing pay disparity. Womenomics is unique in that it not only seeks to address the barriers to women’s economic empowerment and create more opportunities for women, but it also challenges entrenched gender stereotypes and male attitudes towards child care.

http://fortune.com/2019/03/06/japan-econ...-equality/


Japan isn't free from the poz even if immigration is where they are doing very well.
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I still have mixed feelings on Yang so am responding to other views I've seen on this thread.

(03-12-2019 12:46 AM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  
(03-12-2019 12:07 AM)Transsimian Wrote:  
(03-11-2019 10:08 PM)Fortis Wrote:  I still can't shake the feeling that he has some ties to Beijing that I haven't found out about. I know Lunostrelki touched on this but does anyone have any hard data?
Both his parents are from Taiwan, the only country founded on resisting Beijing's Communist bandits. Many Australian politicians cuck out for China, but they aren't Chinese.

As for the memes, yes, they are paid shills, an entrepreneur like Yang is smart enough to fund viral advertising.

To be clear, I don't know enough yet to get a good idea of whether Yang is a CCP plant or just acting out of personal ambition, though the two are not mutually exclusive. A couple things though: he criticizes Trump for being tough on China, and he's a fan of implementing something similar to their social credit scheme. Now both things are not uncommon among liberal technocrats in America (I see trashy reports all the time bashing Trump for the trade war), but at the very least it's a refreshing tone for the old men in Beijing to hear.

Don't think someone being Taiwanese means they're necessarily anticommunist. Taiwan is full of traitors who came out of the woodwork after the KMT liberalized in the late 1980s, which let in both the baizuo and the corrupt CCP business interests.

A few years back there was a guy in New York, John Liu, also Taiwanese, who ran for mayor. He was supported by the triads who are in turn connected to the CCP, and associated with overseas Communist Chinese front associations.

If you look on his policy proposals he has proposals as specific as autism prevention, paying college athletes, and banning algorithmic trading, but on foreign policy he is surprisingly silent. This is all he has.

Quote:My first principles concerning foreign policy are restraint and judgment – we should be very judicious about projecting force and have clear goals that we know we can accomplish. We should treat our men and women in the armed services as the brave and self-sacrificing leaders that they are, both during and after their deployments.

That's all well and good, but in terms of one of Trump's signature policies - the trade war with China (due to China's subsidizing of national champions in the industries of the future) he has nothing to say other than that we need to embrace new technologies and protect those that lose jobs from it. That's it? What about oppression in Tibet, forced re education in Xinjiang, military expansion in the South China sea, ongoing threats to invade Taiwan, etc...has anyone seen him in any interviews seriously discuss how he would approach our greatest foreign policy challenge of the next century?

(03-11-2019 09:42 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  When the government made college degrees abundant it made value of it become zero. Since everyone could easily attain one and most people did the credentials became the prerequisite for getting low-skilled jobs that didn't even need a high school diploma previously. The same thing will happen to the value of money. $1000 when given to everyone will only become the new zero on the measuring stick, making 10k the new $1000 and 100k worth $10000 and so on. I won't even get into how this will drastically change the sexual market dynamics when women will not have to depend on a beta thanks to Yang Bucks.

To your average person not on welfare, the $1000 bucks is still far better than the zero that they get under the current system. Given our insane national debt, hyperinflation within the next decade or two is nearly inevitable, so I think this point is moot. Let's say, though, that he was actually able to pay for it via taxes rather than printing, then it shouldn't cause a significant rise in prices as liquidity will be drained from other areas of the economy. Plus many people will be using the $1000 to purchase assets rather than blow it on consumer goods - if you use Yang bucks to buy stocks or ETFs in companies that stand to profit from this free money then it could be very rewarding.

(03-11-2019 10:54 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  -I don't think the US or any other country for that matter is ready for UBI yet. Too many low skilled jobs still have to be done by humans (e.g. cleaning toilets, processing/selling food, waiting tables, etc). If you pay people not to work, most of them will simply stop working. Those who choose to keep working will demand much higher salaries which will lead to inflation which will likely cancel out most of the value of UBI. Then UBI will have to be increased until eventually you run out of other people's money like Thatcher said.

There are a lot of people on this thread criticizing UBI as unrealistic, expensive, or socialist, but none of them are willing to acknowledge that automation is going to be a massive problem in the next decade and SOMETHING must be done - if not UBI, then what is your solution? Perhaps we won't automate cleaning toilets, but not many people have housekeepers that do this stuff anyway. As far as the others, ordering food from electronic kiosks is already here, and there is a fast food place in Boston that uses robots to cook. Not to mention that truck drivers and retail are some of the most common occupations in America and will lose most of their jobs within a decade.
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It is just like that season on Veep that had the Asian guy running for presidemt.

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(03-11-2019 04:41 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  [Image: 11jbqe1.jpg]

Haha, that's hilarously funny and precise.

However, it's clearly made by one of the mid 20s doomers.

It's easy to point fingers at the other, it takes a lot more to point it at yourself.

Do you want to give it a try and find a meme to make fun of yourself?
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(03-12-2019 09:19 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  
(03-11-2019 04:41 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  [Image: 11jbqe1.jpg]

Haha, that's hilarously funny and precise.

However, it's clearly made by one of the mid 20s doomers.

It's easy to point fingers at the other, it takes a lot more to point it at yourself.

Do you want to give it a try and find a meme to make fun of yourself?

Convention seems to be destined to be a battle between two old white men, 31 vs 27 wow. That's pretty high considering the number of candidates.

Yang still looking for his first % point. People say Trump came out of nowhere but that is incorrect after he declared he was already polling in the low 20's, mid 15's and in September 2015 he was already hitting the low 30's.

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2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination Morning Consult Biden 31, Sanders 27, Harris 10, Warren 7, Booker 4, O'Rourke 7, Klobuchar 3, Hickenlooper 1, Castro 1, Gabbard 1, Gillibrand 1, Inslee 1

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03-12-2019 09:37 AM
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(03-09-2019 05:27 PM)BeardedMastodon Wrote:  I believe the automation is a scare.

Mining for example... a mine that might employ 2000 people will use 50 heavy mining trucks that will become automated. Dozers, graders and other equipment that need more skill will not be, you need to feel the equipment. No way around that in the near future.
I beg to differ.

Here in Europe we already have excavators that can automatically dig and grade to a predefined 3d plan. All part of BIM (building information modelling) Komatsu offer it as factory fit. The operator pulls the levers, but the machine does the grading, even integrating things like tilting buckets into the equation. All it needs is a little work upon linking the digger to the dumper for moving the dirt, and the health and safety guys to say, 'OK, we support robot diggers' and a huge amount of groundworks will be automated. Especially things like stripping and stockpiling the topsoil of a housing site, grading batters and digging levels.

Automated digging and loading cycles will be commonplace in mining very soon. Mines are the absoloutely first place you will see it, as it's all about the cost per ton there and it's a race to the bottom (pun intended)

Check this video out-yes, this is just loading from a blasted stockpile, but as I explained above the excavating technology is already in use in the civils sector:



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TL;DR- technology already exists, just needs the cost to come down slightly and legeslative backing for widespread adoption.

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03-12-2019 10:16 AM
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It's also going to be implemented by simply phasing out new hires when the old guys retire or quit.

That's how a lot of automation is going to be handled. Companies don't want the bad PR of tossing 10 thousand workers out on the street and replacing them with robots. They'll replace the usual attrition with robots where possible and when large sectors have to be automated in one shot then they'll offer current workers the opportunity to side-step into another aspect of the production line.

The guys really getting fucked are going to be the younger guys for whom those entry and mid level jobs simply disappear when the previous worker retires or quits. This has been happening for well over fifty years in agriculture which was once a major employment sector in every functional country in the world, but for decades the response to a worker quitting hasn't been "hire another worker", it's been "buy a bigger tractor".

This is something that's been in the running for a long time now. Prior to the modern industrial revolution immigration was highly beneficial because more people meant more production and more production meant more power on the world stage.

Platitudes about "a nation of immigrants" are just as stupid as suggesting that the country was built on the horse and cart, and by golly it'll be a horse'n'cart country until the sun burns out.

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Quote:-I don't think the US or any other country for that matter is ready for UBI yet

This is a good point. I think maybe 4 or 8 years we might need this.

I noticed what he was saying about vat doesn’t add up. Even if he did tax big companies for using robots, they would just raise their prices. I’d argue VAT on luxury goods could actually work (essentially a wealth tax)

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(03-12-2019 07:48 AM)Arado Wrote:  If you look on his policy proposals he has proposals as specific as autism prevention, paying college athletes, and banning algorithmic trading, but on foreign policy he is surprisingly silent. This is all he has.

Quote:My first principles concerning foreign policy are restraint and judgment – we should be very judicious about projecting force and have clear goals that we know we can accomplish. We should treat our men and women in the armed services as the brave and self-sacrificing leaders that they are, both during and after their deployments.

That's all well and good, but in terms of one of Trump's signature policies - the trade war with China (due to China's subsidizing of national champions in the industries of the future) he has nothing to say other than that we need to embrace new technologies and protect those that lose jobs from it. That's it? What about oppression in Tibet, forced re education in Xinjiang, military expansion in the South China sea, ongoing threats to invade Taiwan, etc...has anyone seen him in any interviews seriously discuss how he would approach our greatest foreign policy challenge of the next century?

These are valid questions but it's REALLY early in the process right now.

Most of the other candidates have virtually no platform at all and even Trump during his entire campaign had nothing but basically "will get rid of state lines" for something as complex and important as healthcare; which is WAY more important than Tibet or re-education camps in China.

Basically, no one gives a shit at this point about detailed foreign policy stuff outside of "is this guy going to start stupid wars or not?" and he clearly says he won't be doing that. From Yang:

Quote:Over the past several decades, we have engaged in conflicts that have cost us trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives. These misadventures have destabilized parts of the world, made enemies of allies, and resulted in untold human suffering, both for our brave soldiers and civilians of other countries.

I'm sure he will address China/Syria/Iran/trade stuff at some point but given that all these issues are in major flux right now, the risk/reward is not there to comment on them in very detail. Think of John Kerry in 2004 when he was for the war than against it sort of deal. Or Trump's back and forth stuff with Syria. It's very easy to look stupid and make people angry a year or two after a foreign policy related statement.

In any case based on the triggering in this thread so far, Yang is gonna have plenty to deal with on just the UBI stuff alone. It's understandable because it's difficult to imagine that the whole economic structure of the world is going to change drastically over the next several decades. If you don't see this happening, the UBI looks retarded. If you do, it's looks very smart. Although, I think the tide is with Yang on this one once people get past the initial shock of the coming shift. Many people already have a legit basic fear of the coming AI/automation/robot paradigm and what that is going to do to their ability earn a income. However, they don't fully understand the details nor have a vision on how to combat it. Hence, Yang's rapid rise (relative speaking thus far): he is addressing a core problem that no one else is addressing. Just like Trump on immigration.

Right now, the basic tech already exists to kill a lot of jobs. It's really just about getting the details right and the cost down. This is happening.

Farming - automated
Retail - centralized online
Fast food - automated
Trucking - automated
Taxi/personal transport - automated
Healthcare - Medicare for All will kill a lot of bullshit jobs (good but still a lot of people out of work)
Accounting/finance - Automated
Combat - automated/robots
Flight - automated
Basic legal work - automated

White collar and blue collar. TONS of people are going to be displaced or will be holding on to their jobs by threads. This will lead to all sorts of civil disorder and societal breakdown if not dealt with sensibly and before things degrade past the point of no return.

Arado asks a great question for the nay-sayers: What's your solution?

You going to stop the hurricane force of AI/automation/robots by outlawing them?

Let people suffer and die? YOUR job might be safe but if your jobless neighborhoods get very desperate, guess who they are coming for?

Set off an EMP Snake Plissken style and reset us back to the stone age?

Cut taxes to the bone?

Oddly enough for you types screaming about "socialism": being against the UBI now could lead to a true socialist state in the future since people will be so desperate, they will vote in some AOC like retard out of panic. Something to consider at least.
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