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This is a very good overview of the Yang program, the pluses and minuses, by Greg Johnson on JF's show. The meat of this vid starts at 19:30, click on the bottom link if you don't want to scroll:





https://youtu.be/EDebPwOu3lU?t=1170



What we're seeing with Trump today is the unraveling of two irreconcilable agendas he's been trying to cater to: America First vs Israel First. Zionists have a deep-seated, existential fear and hatred of America First, and that is why Trump has failed on the immigration agenda. His (((backers))) and the GOP establishment are for open borders, the Reps, driven by the likes of Kochs and Adelson are for open borders even if it ultimately leads to the destruction of their popular base. You're never going to see any real changes on this with people like Kushner influencing immigration deals.

Zionists are also fundamentally trotskyite interventionists, wars for Israel are for them THE most important policy item. We've already spent close to $7 trillion on those wars since 2001, amounting to nearly $100,000 per taxpaying household. This is not going to change with Trump, his recent official thumbs up on the annexation of the Golan Heights, along with his half-ass 180 degree turn on the evacuation of Syria, confirms this.

Deep down, Trump is basically a zionist, he's been married into their NY community (literally so if you look at his progeny), and he is a longtime kabbalah adept. He's not Christian, at least not in terms of his beliefs. We know this because he's had a kabbalah instructor/mentor for decades, per his own book. His father's fortune was built on those zionist ties, to whom he owes everything. Trump would have been at best a random smalltime millionaire today if he wasn't bailed out by the Rothschilds in 1990. His family has been intertwined with the Jewish establishment, his brother for example was a Sammie at Lehigh U in the 1950s, back when only Jewish members joined that fraternity.

I think Trump does have a patriotic fiber in him, but that fiber is weaved in with a stronger zionist fiber. He owes his financial survival and success to the latter. It's practically part of his personal identity.

Yang has a non-interventionist foreign policy agenda. He's got zionist ties as well, Sam Harris being one of his major political backers. I think it was that Harris link that led to his Joe Rogan appearance, but I don't think that link is as strong as Trump's link to the zionists.

As well UBI creates a strong, natural disincentive against mass immigration, particularly from African Americans and Hispanic citizens who aren't going to want others to have a piece of the UBI pie. This, along with Yang's proposed 18 year waiting period for illegals/DACA constitute a stronger platform against immigration than what Trump is doing today.

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(Yesterday 03:03 AM)Samseau Wrote:  ...

Don't even waste your time Brodiga, the people in here are just to give each other a big circle jerk. The VAT tax objection has been brought up at least 20-30 times in this thread, with big replies like yours, but the shills here just keep plowing.

I will laugh my ass off if Yang gets in and when the prices start rising 100-300% (including rents) due to the VAT taxes necessary to sustain such a UBI, and all the poor Whites who vote for him try protesting just for Yang to send in the military to murder everyone because he's an Asian who doesn't give a fuck about Whites.

As far as the best Dem candidate based on policy? Right now it is Elizabeth Warren, whose "wealth tax" idea is the net worth tax I've tried to explain for years. Unless the rich are directly taxed from their bank accounts, then this country is doomed to bankruptcy and civil war.

The only possible way to survive the coming economic storm is if rich fucks are actually taxed to pay for stuff. Otherwise this country is going down the tubes very quickly.

I agree with you and Nomad about taxes on the ultrarich (above $50M net worth) and on financial transaction are much better sources than a VAT. This being said, talks of "100%-300% inflation" are totally irrational. Food prices for example won't be affected. More people will start eating out more, or buying better food.

Housing prices will adapt in the long term through increased supply in those markets where construction is not restricted, and the costs of building aren't affected by a UBI. Lumber, windows, roof tiles and so forth aren't directly affected. You will have a construction boom, with for instance middle class renters becoming home buyers and lower-income renters upgrading.

In real estate markets where growth is restricted (California), there will be some inflation, but you will start seeing an acceleration in the exodus to cheaper/more deregulated housing markets like Texas. Places with very low rents and decent housing stocks like the Rust Belt are going to see a strong influx of new residents, stimulating their economic growth.

The most interesting aspect of UBI is its effect on labor. You're going to see the UBI making the working poor drop their moonlighting jobs, and fewer people attracted to menial jobs. This will result in turn in those jobs becoming higher paying. This is a healthy upwards spiral which will benefit minorities that do want to work, while punishing minorities who used to be on welfare, as their first $1,000/mo is now void or negated by the UBI.

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(03-21-2019 08:36 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  I’m here for memes, not the austistic analsysis.

Just like us all.

But sometimes you get both.

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(Yesterday 08:50 AM)scorpion Wrote:  If nothing else, Yang has enormous potential as a wreckingball candidate similar to Trump in 2015. Remember those days? The Republicans were all set to have another run-of-the-mill primary where the candidates would all mouth the same tired platitudes about "muh free markets" and "American values" and which would inevitably end with the Jeb Bush coronation. But then Trump descended his golden escalator and blew the entire thing to pieces. Yang could perform a similar function within the Democratic party. The establishment is clearly trying to set up Kamala Harris as their Hillary/Jeb candidate of inevitability, and the rest of the candidates are just going to play the standard left-wing game and try to out-virtue signal one another on the issues. But Yang can come in and totally change the debate. While the other candidates are getting lost in the weeds trying to one-up each other on identity politics, Yang's economic populist message will resonate strongly and suck up a lot of oxygen in the room. If the young activist wing of the party (i.e. the 2016 Bernie crowd) latches on to him in a big way it's going to cause serious disarray on the left.

From a practical perspective there are serious concerns about the actual implementation of UBI, but supporting Yang has no downside at this point. At the very least doing so pushes some important issues into the discussion and serves to fracture and weaken the power base on the left. If he gains serious traction the most likely outcome is the DNC conspiring to destroy his candidacy and pissing off a huge number of young white leftists in the process, who then don't vote in the general election and many of whom become more open to populist nationalism after getting burned by the DNC and the identity politics monster.

Exactly.

I've alluded to before how Yang can be the Trump of the left in this sense as well. The real interesting angle that you mention is:

What happens if Yang gets serious traction and then gets crushed by the power elite democrats.... just as what happened with Bernie in 2016?

I know Bernie Bros that voted for Trump out of spite last election and they despise the democrat establishment now. Many Bernie Bros are jumping ship to Yang and so if Yang gets KO'ed by the establishment unfairly... the consequences could be very interesting.
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(Yesterday 11:47 AM)911 Wrote:  This is a very good overview of the Yang program, the pluses and minuses, by Greg Johnson on JF's show. The meat of this vid starts at 19:30, click on the bottom link if you don't want to scroll:





https://youtu.be/EDebPwOu3lU?t=1170



What we're seeing with Trump today is the unraveling of two irreconcilable agendas he's been trying to cater to: America First vs Israel First. Zionists have a deep-seated, existential fear and hatred of America First, and that is why Trump has failed on the immigration agenda. His (((backers))) and the GOP establishment are for open borders, the Reps, driven by the likes of Kochs and Adelson are for open borders even if it ultimately leads to the destruction of their popular base. You're never going to see any real changes on this with people like Kushner influencing immigration deals.

Zionists are also fundamentally trotskyite interventionists, wars for Israel are for them THE most important policy item. We've already spent close to $7 trillion on those wars since 2001, amounting to nearly $100,000 per taxpaying household. This is not going to change with Trump, his recent official thumbs up on the annexation of the Golan Heights, along with his half-ass 180 degree turn on the evacuation of Syria, confirms this.

Deep down, Trump is basically a zionist, he's been married into their NY community (literally so if you look at his progeny), and he is a longtime kabbalah adept. He's not Christian, at least not in terms of his beliefs. We know this because he's had a kabbalah instructor/mentor for decades, per his own book. His father's fortune was built on those zionist ties, to whom he owes everything. Trump would have been at best a random smalltime millionaire today if he wasn't bailed out by the Rothschilds in 1990. His family has been intertwined with the Jewish establishment, his brother for example was a Sammie at Lehigh U in the 1950s, back when only Jewish members joined that fraternity.

I think Trump does have a patriotic fiber in him, but that fiber is weaved in with a stronger zionist fiber. He owes his financial survival and success to the latter. It's practically part of his personal identity.

Yang has a non-interventionist foreign policy agenda. He's got zionist ties as well, Sam Harris being one of his major political backers. I think it was that Harris link that led to his Joe Rogan appearance, but I don't think that link is as strong as Trump's link to the zionists.

As well UBI creates a strong, natural disincentive against mass immigration, particularly from African Americans and Hispanic citizens who aren't going to want others to have a piece of the UBI pie. This, along with Yang's proposed 18 year waiting period for illegals/DACA constitute a stronger platform against immigration than what Trump is doing today.

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You forget that Trump came along after a 2 term president. Trump as incumbent, having been successful in many ways, and himself the first outsider, makes any newcomer like Yang, already a super longshot.

Throw in his physically weak appearance and presence, and he essentially has no shot. Add a dash of totally chaotic Democrat Party, and he's got what we all know, but what I'm still surprised you don't get --- he's got no chance.

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(Yesterday 11:47 AM)911 Wrote:  As well UBI creates a strong, natural disincentive against mass immigration, particularly from African Americans and Hispanic citizens who aren't going to want others to have a piece of the UBI pie. This, along with Yang's proposed 18 year waiting period for illegals/DACA constitute a stronger platform against immigration than what Trump is doing today.

Assuming he gets into office, how long is his immigration plan going to last when

1. The core of both parties are for more and easier immigration
2. It's not a flagship issue for him

It'll go from 18 years to 18 weeks in about 5 minutes.
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The current process is "step over the border".

Trump for all his bluff and bluster is either impotent to stop it or he doesn't actually want to. I'm starting to assume the latter based on his perpetuation of ICE's idiotic management that causes them to be entirely ineffective.

So Yang's immigration policies are pretty irrelevant in that light. Unless he plans to build a treadmill that runs from Honduras to Texas he can't make things worse than Trump has.

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(Yesterday 10:28 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  You forget that Trump came along after a 2 term president. Trump as incumbent, having been successful in many ways, and himself the first outsider, makes any newcomer like Yang, already a super longshot.

Throw in his physically weak appearance and presence, and he essentially has no shot. Add a dash of totally chaotic Democrat Party, and he's got what we all know, but what I'm still surprised you don't get --- he's got no chance.

Well, we've hashed out the "Is Trump going to win" to death over in the Trump thread.
I think he's in danger because he's failed on most of his important promises, and was far, far too lax in the way he protected his supporters.

Yang offers a compelling idea, and one that might play far better in the heartland than people think. Remember, "hopeless" lower-class whites make up a gigantic portion of the vote in swing states, and it's precisely these people to whom Yang's message should appeal most. The odds are against him, but I don't think "no chance" is right.

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