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Tracking bang vs number close ratio
Is this a good idea? Ive been thinking of tracking how many numbers i convert to bangs as a metric for my progress(or lack of) but im afraid if im not having success it'll just be a reminder of how much i suck and it will discourage me from gaming. At the same time i want to have some sort of hard data to see if the late nights, spending money, and dealing with girls BS is even worth it. So far im 0/4 and I could easily see this going to 0/100, i dont know if my ego could take that lol.
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03-14-2019 06:01 PM
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RE: Tracking bang vs number close ratio
(03-14-2019 06:01 PM)cruzinV Wrote:  Is this a good idea? Ive been thinking of tracking how many numbers i convert to bangs as a metric for my progress(or lack of) but im afraid if im not having success it'll just be a reminder of how much i suck and it will discourage me from gaming. At the same time i want to have some sort of hard data to see if the late nights, spending money, and dealing with girls BS is even worth it. So far im 0/4 and I could easily see this going to 0/100, i dont know if my ego could take that lol.

It sounds like you've answered your own question.
03-14-2019 06:11 PM
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RE: Tracking bang vs number close ratio
Gotta take your ego out of the equation.

That way you don't get discourage or a super inflated ego - you just see the hard numbers.

Figure out WHY you're losing out on these bangs/dates/closes.

Improvise, adapt, overcome.

Also you should be ENJOYING the chase and the hunt for new girls.

You can't let spreadsheets rule your life, you'll be miserable and obsessive, you have to find balance.

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03-14-2019 06:25 PM
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RE: Tracking bang vs number close ratio
Paul Janka author of How to get Laid in NYC and Attraction Formula was famous for tracking bangs with a spreadsheet .. A Harvard Grad and high end NYC tutor after a stint on Wall Street became an OG PUA after an appearance on Dr. Phil a decade ago... Bought both books... PM me for copies... His bang ratio was 11 for every 100 cold approaches with Day Game so only 11% so keep up approaches as it is truly a numbers game... He also discovered 0 bangs after dinner dates and perfected lounge cocktails game and venue bounce to his upper East side mini studio fwiw.

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03-14-2019 07:03 PM
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RE: Tracking bang vs number close ratio
I know there are guys here that track all their approaches. They take notes on where, when, what were they dressing, what did they say, how hot the girl was etc.
Good for them but honestly I find this borderline autistic and I wouldn't have the discipline to continuously keep track as chasing skirts would feel like a job more than a hobby.

I do however have a rough idea of how many approaches I do when I am in game season, usually 2-3 per days.
I might go 5 days with no approaches and then do 10 in the same day but I try to keep the number at the end of the month around 60 to 100.
Then from there I draw my own metrics, e.g. if I bang 5 to 8 girls has been a good month, if over 8 girls amazing, if less than 5 bad etc. you get the idea.
This way I know if it has been a shitty month and can reflect on what did go wrong and why.
03-14-2019 09:17 PM
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RE: Tracking bang vs number close ratio
The problem with this is that you're gonna need a large dataset to draw meaningful conclusions. By the time you reach a large enough dataset, you've most likely already improved so much that your data isn't an accurate representation anymore.

As an example, lets say you approach 100 girls and end up banging 1 of them. That's a 1% "conversion rate". Then, you approach 100 more girls and end up banging 5 of them, reaching a 5% rate. But taking the total sample of 200 girls and 6 bangs, you'd have a 3% conversion. So what is your actual conversion rate now?

What if you hit a lucky streak and bang the next 3 girls you approach? Are you gonna be like "WOW MY CONVERSION RATE JUST SKYROCKETED! I AM ELITE!"

My point is, I think it is good to keep track of your approaches, but stop focusing on hard numbers. Instead, write down how it went and analyze the good and bad parts. You can even start an approach log in the newbie section where members will give feedback if you're serious about it. Even the veterans on this forum hit bad streaks. It happens and its no big deal, just keep going and you'll be rewarded for your efforts.
03-14-2019 10:33 PM
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RE: Tracking bang vs number close ratio
well im not talking about counting all approaches, only phone numbers. I think thats a better indicator since if she gives you her number than at least you know shes open to meeting someone or likely doesnt have a bf, etc.

If someone like paul janka only counted the phone numbers he was able to convert, than his percentage would be MUCH higher.
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03-14-2019 11:06 PM
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(03-14-2019 11:06 PM)cruzinV Wrote:  well im not talking about counting all approaches, only phone numbers. I think thats a better indicator since if she gives you her number than at least you know shes open to meeting someone or likely doesnt have a bf, etc.

If someone like Paul Janka only counted the phone numbers he was able to convert, than his percentage would be MUCH higher.

LOL To avoid Conflict Modern Bishes are Notorious for giving out bogus Tel#s so screws that theory... My online game is to be honest about the lifestyle I can offer and then tell them to PM me their Text # if they want to meet F2F and then just text them time and place logistics to basic cocktail lounge, Venue bounce (4 or 5 Star Boston Pricline.com hotel deal) Hand them a Hotel Robe and tell them to freshen up in the shower...

Mix them a Cosmo or Screwdriver with Vending machine Juice and Vodka I bring - and when she is feeling sexy - bang, rinse and repeat. Two 3 Shot Cosmos - 2 Vodka and one Orange Triple Sec liqueur - usually does the trick...

Seduction is a process and if there is any unreasonable (P4P) LMR - end the date, hit next and eject them and stack the next plate on call in rotation. The more you complicate things the more they fail.

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03-15-2019 02:47 PM
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RE: Tracking bang vs number close ratio
I don't get the point of tracking the results this deep. It's over analysis. Focus on making girls FEEL, having them react emotionally to you and them directing them to wanting to do what you want them to do.

It's like a team in sports gaining chemistry and gelling their play together. If you focus so much on the numbers you lose sight of the bigger picture. Which is playing the damn game at an elite level. When you do that, you win more often than not.
03-16-2019 08:35 PM
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RE: Tracking bang vs number close ratio
(03-14-2019 06:01 PM)cruzinV Wrote:  Is this a good idea? Ive been thinking of tracking how many numbers i convert to bangs as a metric for my progress(or lack of) but im afraid if im not having success it'll just be a reminder of how much i suck and it will discourage me from gaming. At the same time i want to have some sort of hard data to see if the late nights, spending money, and dealing with girls BS is even worth it. So far im 0/4 and I could easily see this going to 0/100, i dont know if my ego could take that lol.

Go to any non western country and tell people this. They'll look at you like you're retarded. Hopefully one day you'll look back at the day you posted this and be embarrassed.

Tracking numbers, ratios, converting, metrics, hard data, what the fuck. This is the kind of juvenile crap that makes PUAs look like idiots. Why don't you just focus on finding quality girls and then having conversations with them like a normal person.

That's not how we do things in Russia, comrade.

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03-18-2019 06:39 AM
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RE: Tracking bang vs number close ratio
No, it's not useful to track any of this shit. After banging about 50 girls I started to lose count of how many I closed because it's a pointless metric. Why do you want to know how many girls you fucked, so you can brag to your guy friends about it? Tracking how many phone numbers you get is even more pointless.

This thread should be in the Newbie Forum.
03-18-2019 07:37 AM
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