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RE: Shooting at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand 2019
(03-15-2019 11:20 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  This is the cleanest mass shooting I've ever seen. No blood, no splattered parts, not a fucking drop of blood on the wall. The bodies look clean too.

I saw blood though.

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It's good to question but I think it's becoming a bit too much of confirmation bias here if practically every time people on the other side gets murdered it's seen as some kind of false flag.
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(03-15-2019 11:40 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Everything that you guys listed sounds suspicious - but if it was staged, then why livestream it at all? Why not just say "there was a shooting", arrange some bodies and blood in a fake carnage scene and be done with it?

Precisely because you believe what you saw on video happened when it was "livestreamed."

What was "livestreamed" and as pointed out above looks very fake, may have been recorded earlier and was ready to release. Do you know for a fact what you saw happened when it was streamed?

Who benefits?

What is currently going on in a country where people know where NZ is? Hint, it is not the US. Most Americans will think this story is in the middle east somewhere.

Starts with a B and ends with exiting from the mass immigration plans. What a great way to make anyone opposed to muslim or any other takeover look like a bad bad bad bad person.

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RE: Shooting at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand 2019
(03-15-2019 11:41 AM)NewMeta Wrote:  @the false flag claims. I just doubt it reading the manifesto + seeing the video (and i duno about you, I see plenty of blood), he knows how to meme, the navy seal copy pasta just to bait the media into reporting it, name dropping Candace Owens as some extreme figure (very obvious troll), knowledge of flossing+fortnite (had me dead lol), mentioning subscribe to pewdiepie.

What false flag is going to go to the extent of memeing so hard the perp plays Gas Gas Gas from Initial D (an anime) while driving away recklessly and shooting out the window, almost as if emulating the anime, this just can't be faked, a false flag has never gone this far to emulate internet culture at such a deep level.

You're right. He nods at so many memes that either his trainers studied 4chan memes for ages just to create a meme shooter, or that he was just a channer who went berserk. I suspect the latter, but the video indeed seems really weird.
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(03-15-2019 11:31 AM)Dusty Wrote:  [Image: D1r0KX3X0AAWviI?format=jpg&name=medium]

Too soon?

He posted this almost immediately after the attack. I posted it on page 3 of the thread but the link was taken down. You should see his tweets.
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(03-15-2019 11:59 AM)loremipsum Wrote:  You're right. He nods at so many memes that either his trainers studied 4chan memes for ages just to create a meme shooter, or that he was just a channer who went berserk. I suspect the latter, but the video indeed seems really weird.

He seemingly nods at all the memes, except the one meme, which perpetrates 4chan, in every thread, in every topic, what the sites are basically about: le happy merchant.

Don't anyone find it strange, that there is not a single mention AT ALL, in the manifesto of that?
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I’ve seen a bunch of executions back when I was trying to desensitize myself and unless they use shot guns there really isn’t that muvh blood.

I also know some hunting rounds are made to cause as little damage to the pelt as possible.
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RE: Shooting at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand 2019
Okay, you guys who thinks it's real, riddle me this:
   
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and the bottom right is wearing a red shirt thing, that's not blood.

????
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RE: Shooting at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand 2019
I agree. This guy supposedly went to a lot of trouble to research the history of Christendom v Islam.

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I went through a two year-ish phase of being vehemently anti-Islam while being totally blue-pilled on the JQ but if he was really a channer then that makes no sense whatsoever.

Particularly not to even mention it... Extremely fishy.

Anyway, I'm not hearing this "no blood" bullshit. I'm also not going to post pictures on the forum that may compromise the RVF either. Watch the long video carefully. If you're saying there's no blood then you're not paying attention.

I'm not saying this attack was kosher as presented but either they've used some incredible simulation dummies or those are real bodies being shot, at least some of them anyway.

Whether it was legitimately livestreamed should be able to be determined by eyewitness accounts of the gunfire and the timestamp of the original stream. Faking a livestream with pre-recorded footage would result in being caught out very easily. There were dozens of cars driving by and everyone who witnesses car-x driving down the road with great gaping shotgun holes in the window after hearing gunshots is going to be able to verify or refute the timeline.

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RE: Shooting at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand 2019
For one, the bodies are piled up in the second picture. They're all separated in the first and people moved after being shot or were moved. Second, the image resolution is much higher.

Finally, do you really think if they were to stage this, they'd omit the one thing that people have come to expect from shootings thanks to movies, which is a lot of blood? No, you'd think that they'd specifically exaggerate it.
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You will NOT see major blood unless he hit a major artery. Even if he did, the people were wearing clothing which would prevent you from seeing it squirt everywhere. In this case it would pool out into their clothing before following gravity. The reason it squirts is because the heart will be pumping the blood through the artery pushing blood out the entry or exit wound.
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RE: Shooting at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand 2019
At some point, we're going to have to talk seriously about Accelerationism.

Accelerationism is all over the Trump and Yang threads and it's why this psycho started murdering people.

The logic of Accelerationism goes, as near as I tell:

1. Due to the debt situation and years of strip mining American/Western wealth for banking insider gain, a soon collapse is inevitable.

2. However, due to feminism, inafforadble family formation, treacherous politicians inviting invaders, and malicious actors in government or Capitalists like Purdue Pharmaceuticals actually mass murdering the population, the Western demographic is dying.

3. Therefore, speed up the collapse and transition to the next normal (Chinese World Hegemony?) while there are still people is the best bet for the best long term outcome. But it will not be a good outcome.

Here is the problem: people who are not organized when a collapse happens get stomped. Superior Numbers didn't help the White Russians fend off the Smaller but tightly organized Communists. Who is not organized? The various people advocating Accelerationism! The outcome they are accelerating is their own extinction!

This murderer and the accelerationists in the Yang and Trump threads are like useless chicks who work at NGOs. Yeah, it's great to raise awareness of this or that program but somebody has to ride in and actually do the work. There is no messiah going to materialize out of thin air and save everybody. It has to be us. If the men of this forum aren't yet ready to organize, then I guarantee that there isn't anybody else in low-T America doing that work.

The solution to cope with the inevitable upcoming problems is to organize, not to make the problems come sooner and worse.
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(03-15-2019 12:10 PM)atlant Wrote:  Finally, do you really think if they were to stage this, they'd omit the one thing that people have come to expect from shootings thanks to movies, which is a lot of blood? No, you'd think that they'd specifically exaggerate it.
That was a trade-off they had to accept for doing it livestream.
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(03-15-2019 12:06 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  Okay, you guys who thinks it's real, riddle me this:

Vs


and the bottom right is wearing a red shirt thing, that's not blood.

????

This is because those people have been lying on the floor with their blood pooling out hours.

Weren't they not also mutilated?
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He mentions Breivik and being inspired, even approved by his organisation. How that would happen is anyone's guess, since Breivik is in complete isolation and is not allowed to communicate with the outside world.

Breivik used this kind of christian templar language and considered himself a zionist. He has supposedly since changed his tune and now considers himself a neo-nazi.

Breivik was not a 4channer, but a reader of anti-muslim, pro-zionist websites.

This guy read the chans and posted there. There is no way, absolutely no way, that someone is a regular on the chans and doesn't know the JQ. No way. At the very least, even if you don't agree, you'd have mentioned it in the manifesto. It's not there. Nothing.

That is extremely suspicious.
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(03-15-2019 12:06 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I agree. This guy supposedly went to a lot of trouble to research the history of Christendom v Islam.

[Image: new-zealand-mosque-shooter-names-his-ido...248922.jpg]

I went through a two year-ish phase of being vehemently anti-Islam while being totally blue-pilled on the JQ but if he was really a channer then that makes no sense whatsoever.

Particularly not to even mention it... Extremely fishy.

He also had Rotherham, Vienna 1683, and the names of other shooters such as Alexandre Bissonnette
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I skimmed through half of his manifesto. It reads like something someone on the far left thinks that someone on the far right wants to hear.

This whole transition from “communism” to “eco fascism” is comical as there’s no practical differences between communism and fascism. As the little guy, either ideology means a boot on your neck, and it doesn’t really matter if it’s the left boot or the right.

For as “in touch” as this clown claims to be, you’d think he’d understand the intersectional victimhood rating scale and realize that Muslims rate pretty high, and the resulting fallout from this shit will be that they’re pushed up even higher. How does that advance your cause?
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(03-15-2019 11:56 AM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  
(03-15-2019 11:20 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  This is the cleanest mass shooting I've ever seen. No blood, no splattered parts, not a fucking drop of blood on the wall. The bodies look clean too.

That white wall is cleaner than the wall in my room, and supposedly 30+ people just got shot in front of it. Not even a dent in the wall much less bullet marks. 3 rows of them and even the back row guys didn't run out that door? bullshit. The bullet passed through 4 rows of them but not a single fucking bullet touched the wall? The guys 4 rows deep got direct vital shots that stopped them cold, yet no pools of blood?

Looks like homeboy fired blanks at a bunch of calm stunt-doubles laying on the ground. Maybe this is why they're trying to scrub the video from the internet so quickly.

To fire blanks, you would need a BFA (blank firing adaptor) to recycle the gas system in the gun so that you can shoot semi automatic. You don't see that on the muzzle of his gun.

Training wise, he had range time with a lot of time spent watching youtube.

Decent shot (but at this short range it's not too hard), didn't shoot at targets he couldn't hit. Took his time to aim.

Magazine retention was bad. Dropped I think 3 magazines. He also fumbled the magazine while reloading. Despite dropping/fumbling the mags, he continued the attack.

The way he entered a room was amateur. A trained shooter would be sweeping corners immediately which tells me he isn't military.

He left to go back to his car and then came back to shoot more. If he had planned it more professionally he would have gone in, do the job and then leave.

His clothing was likely fake high end tactical gear, Crye Precision in Multicam black with a modern looking low profile plate carrier.

I don't think the guy who rushed him went in to attack the shooter. When I first saw the video it looked like he rushed that way to get to the door to escape. I could be wrong, and if I am then that guy is extremely brave.

It was reported that either he or another shooter tried to attack another mosque but someone had a gun and fought back preventing a massacre.

For people worried about going to places that could be a target (Churches, schools, etc), carry a gun if it is legal where you are and have trauma gear. Ask the person in charge of your churches or schools if they can invest in a trauma kit for active shooters.

At the time of the attack I had a tourniquet in my bag and will be adding chest seals to that (you need two, one for entry and another for exit wounds). This is to control bleeding. The tourniquet is for extremities and the chest seals are for the chest.

Bumping this to the most recent post in case anyone still think he's using blanks.
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(03-15-2019 10:53 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  Was there even any blood, splattered body parts, etc.. in that back room? you know with supposedly 25+ guys shot up? I didn't see any blood on the wall or pools of blood, or any exit wounds on the bodies.

Yes. Even in the toaster quality of facebook live I saw plenty of blood running from people and on the floor.

You clearly see the last victims head (the girl running) get blown apart.

You also see pooling blood when he double taps them inside the prayer room.
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Didn't take her long:
Quote:Ocasio-Cortez hits NRA after New Zealand shooting: 'What good are your thoughts and prayers?'

“Thoughts and prayers” is reference to the NRA’s phrase used to deflect conversation away from policy change during tragedies.
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(03-15-2019 12:12 PM)Rotten Wrote:  ...
This murderer and the accelerationists in the Yang and Trump threads are like useless chicks who work at NGOs. Yeah, it's great to raise awareness of this or that program but somebody has to ride in and actually do the work. There is no messiah going to materialize out of thin air and save everybody. It has to be us. If the men of this forum aren't yet ready to organize, then I guarantee that there isn't anybody else in low-T America doing that work.

The solution to cope with the inevitable upcoming problems is to organize, not to make the problems come sooner and worse.

Just because you're not ready doesn't mean nobody else is.

Also noted that a guy with 200ish posts and two rep over 3 years suddenly arrives in one of the most charged threads in a long time to start telling the membership what's what.

Pay very special attention to guys talking about "organizing" in the wake of events like these.

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(03-15-2019 12:06 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  Okay, you guys who thinks it's real, riddle me this:

Vs


and the bottom right is wearing a red shirt thing, that's not blood.

????

This is because those people have been lying on the floor with their blood pooling out hours.

Weren't they not also mutilated?

Mutilated so the heart pumped the blood out for a long time before it gave up. Also a hard floor unlike the carpet in this case, which in some snippets is visibly soaked in blood.

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(03-15-2019 12:20 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  I skimmed through half of his manifesto. It reads like something someone on the far left thinks that someone on the far right wants to hear.

Alternate perspective:

It reads like what a weirdo who could barely hack a career in the rigorous world of personal training would glean from absorbing their politics entirely from other weirdos on the internet, without balancing it with any structured knowledge or real-world experience at all.

...which is also why this is what a person on the far-left would think a person on the far-right wants to hear, because they have little structured knowledge or real-world experience of what the bulk of the right is actually like.

This just sounds to me like a person who had nothing to identify with because he was too weird for anybody to have him hanging around. He was going to find something bizarre to latch on to eventually, like that homeless gay guy who wanted to be a Seminole Indian and started sending people bombs thinking he was "helping" Trump, and kept showing his bankruptcy attorneys his bodybuilding pictures trying to convince him he wasn't a loser.

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@Leonard

What kind of rifle is this, AR-15 without pistol grip and with eotech holosight?
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Just a question: Should I use the New Zealand flag as my new avatar or some Muslim symbol?
I'm confused about what kind of outrage the (((Master Mind))) behind this attack wants me to feel.

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His intention was for their to be an overreaction and and ignite the culture war.




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RE: Shooting at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand 2019
I think so. I'm not sure about the NZ laws but maybe they have some sort of stupid rules similar to the Californian "no foldy thing that goes under the barrel" assault weapon laws, hence the weird looking grip/stock.

He had a torch with a strobe function under the barrel which takes the whole thing from "fish in a barrel" to "fish in a barrel with dynamite" but it fell off at some point. How much of this stuff was brand name and how much was knockoff is hard to say. My eye for this stuff isn't that good. Probably put it all on a credit card a week earlier or something.

We might find out something about his history that set him off, of meds he stopped taking or something. Assuming a level head is pointless. The way he walked in and opened up with no hesitation then just tossed the shotgun after it was spent just struck me as odd. Yeah, it makes sense logistically but for most gun guys tossing a gun on the ground is like nails down a chalkboard. Did he rehearse it a hundred times? Okay, maybe, but then he forgets to plant the fuel bombs and keeps shortracking the shotgun in the car.

But maybe all the analysis is just totally pointless. Some shit he did "right". Some shit didn't go as planned.

From here we have to wait and see what comes out in the wash. If the chans don't get shut down then their detectives are going to be on the trail around the clock, but every psyop agency in the world is going to be bending this shit one way or the other.

AFAIC

Bodies or simulated bodies.
Shots shown to strike.
Blood, lots if you look closely.
Impossible to viably fake a livestream under the circumstance without being discovered.

Mostly though, I'm done. I don't like watching this shit over and over frame by frame just to prove or disprove stuff. More details will arrive in time. More shit to sift through. Enough for now though. Too much, honestly.

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