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RE: The God pill
One of the more interesting arguments i've heard for God's existence is that people crave him: Go back to the earliest societies, to primitive drawings on cave walls, humans have always looked toward a concept of god or gods. It's timeless and universal. And the fact that people have always craved God is interesting because of the other things people crave: Humans only crave things that exist - food, water, sex, etc.
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(03-29-2019 11:06 AM)The Father Wrote:  
(03-29-2019 09:03 AM)Ski pro Wrote:  It’s April 1st on Monday. You’re early.

Did he get banned for this, or some other post?

I'm pretty sure it was an insta-ban for this post. Non-believers are often very quick to mock believers about their magical sky daddy or the like, but I really can't see Roosh putting up with that kind of thing on his own forum, and certainly not in this thread, when he said the atheists can start their own thread.

Ski pro chose poorly, which is too bad, because he was a good poster otherwise.

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RE: The God pill
I'm still skeptical, mainly because God allows hundreds of Christian dominations to exist, each convinced if *one little aspect* is missing (like confession) from the other then they are going to hell. I remember catholic school, if you missed a holy day of obligation you're certainly going to hell. And if God doesn't care about these minor differences, what's the point?

Like for tens of thousands of years humans lived in tribes and slaughtered eachother, it was normal. Are all of those people in an afterlife? Even after Nicea, bibles couldn't be printed and distributed to the several hundred million people who lived without it. How could God judge caveman the barbarian compared to catholic schoolboy telling a lie lol.

Then again, I read somewhere the odds of DNA code forming cellular function like we have was mathematically similar to winning the lottery 13 times in a row (impossible). If you remember "Aurelius Moner" from Return of Kings, he's a catholic monk who wrote several articles. I enjoyed what he wrote but ultimately he had limits on his explanations.


I fully recognize humans need a unifying ethic system to believe in, but I suspect that sense of altruism and kindness is more of a manifestation of certain people's genetics than anything. The same reason socialism can work in those little nordic countries but not elsewhere.


PS: for God to read our thoughts, our conscious would have to be part of God, I guess I don't see why God would "distribute" his consciousness to observers and then see which observers in human form start to think certain things are now special or something. I do think humans are hard-wired to various behaviors based on their genetics. And an afterlife, without a biological body I don't see how there's any "life". Most of what we do is emotional and chemical to a degree. Excitement, work, nervousness, happiness, etc... you want to float around in eternity being some sort of vegetable who doesn't feel? I just find the church's explanation lacking and limited. And how would he judge women? They're literally wired to be mischievous.


PPS: I am starting to logically deduce whether a "satan" or "lucifer" exists and that's what has synchronized the left's rabid, batshit insane hatred of western civilization. It's like it infected their minds and it's a good as explanation as any.
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(03-29-2019 11:14 AM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  
(03-29-2019 11:06 AM)The Father Wrote:  
(03-29-2019 09:03 AM)Ski pro Wrote:  It’s April 1st on Monday. You’re early.

Did he get banned for this, or some other post?

I'm pretty sure it was an insta-ban for this post. Non-believers are often very quick to mock believers about their magical sky daddy or the like, but I really can't see Roosh putting up with that kind of thing on his own forum, and certainly not in this thread, when he said the atheists can start their own thread.

Ski pro chose poorly, which is too bad, because he was a good poster otherwise.

Yeah, whether you believe in God or not, in a thread that Roosh is obviously taking very seriously especially considering what he and his family have gone through, Ski pros comment was in very poor taste to say the least. That comment is the kind of thing nobody would have the balls to say in person.
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I've thought about this extensively and I look forward to the discussion.

I never believed in atheism as it's the direct opposite side of the coin of being religious, and pushing your beliefs that there is no God or greater being out there. To me it's a waste of time, we will never know if or if not, and the goal of pushing non-belief is just as silly as pushing belief. You have to make your own mind up about this sort of thing.

So many people are going down the road of making science their new religion, and doing everything that doctors say to do, and are ending up in absolute wrecks. I have a couple friends that have gone this route, and when I suggest that 'science is always changing' they just look at me with blank stares.

I don't know what the answer is, but I do know that there's something greater than us, that perhaps resides in all of us, or out there in the vast reaches of the universe.

Our pursuit of 'knowing' is futile, as the human mind cannot grasp the immensity of it all. All I know is that I do not know.

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Roosh and fellow gentlemen, a thought occurred to me that seems rather mad.

Perhaps the Sabbatian-Frankists are right.

Most of us can see, logically, that the West is falling into emotional chaos. The East, and Africa, that dark continent, suffer in their own way - their peoples flung into the ‘21st Century’ without having been allowed the time to develop organically. For those who believe in Evil, for those who can feel it, it hangs in the air - a palpable miasma.

Finally, perhaps, the dark is dark enough that the glimmering Light may be glimpsed. In Kabbalah there is a concept of light cloaked in light - I understand it in the way that the pollution from our cities nullify the stars. Though those burning celestial bodies are so much greater, their luminescence is lost in the lesser haze of streetlights and highbeams. Similarly, when one sees the word lightly, it masks that internal, eternal Light. If the world is darkened, if its light is blown out, no longer can it conceal. At least, from those who have eyes to see.

For all the gnashing of teeth I’ve done concerning They, that many of us have, this may have been His plan all along.

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I definitely think there is a movement towards the god pill. I started reading the bible a month ago and have been moving from black pill to god pill. Roosh is moving to it along with many others. Definitely not a coincidence since most of us have progressed to this stage along with the decline of our cultures.

He is right though, the black pill isn't sustainable. The good thing is that religion will be strengthened if enough people come to it through the black pill. Too many weak bodies and blue pill idiots in the church right now.

Thing is, I can easily relate to someone like Roosh who came to god through the black pill but I have a hard time relating to the lifelong evangelicals and "all are welcome" types. I would probably even have a hard time relating to most of the catholics in the church where I grew up.
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Personally I imagine God as the confluence of all sentience, as such all seeing and all knowing. My wife and I often unthinkingly read each others thoughts without even being in each other's peripheral vision and other members have expressed this telepathic experience. I also experience it in the sense that a person with whom I'm familiar will pop into my thoughts about five seconds before I get a phone call from them.

As such I believe God is in some sense the central nexus of all awareness.

Further to that I believe that all living things have a sort of receiver antenna to this network. For some the antenna is greater than others and while it may seem unfair I agree with DV that much of that is genetic, though to my mind it's in the sense that not all radios are built to equal specifications. I think all animals have this connection, not just mankind, but that the strength of the signal is dampened by ego. As such a dog that possesses a genetically lesser antenna can still demonstrably grow to have more compassion than a theoretically more sophisticated human who's ego has overwhelmed their antenna to God.

I was raised a Christian but Christians themselves drove me away from God. My connection to him has come through observation of nature and sharpening my ability to be silent and simply listen on a spiritual level to the world around me.

As such I put no faith in institutional spirituality. I'm sure there are good churches out there but I'd have to move a considerable distance to find one and moreover I find that even the "good ones" place a total emphasis on surrender in all its forms. Institutionalized Christianity and all its texts have been adapted as a means of social control and in most cases have been "re-translated" many times toward that end.

If you're lucky enough to have a highly functional spiritual antenna then you're better off learning to cull back your ego and sharpen your senses.

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(03-29-2019 11:31 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  PPS: I am starting to logically deduce whether a "satan" or "lucifer" exists and that's what has synchronized the left's rabid, batshit insane hatred of western civilization. It's like it infected their minds and it's a good as explanation as any.

One interesting yogi I read from time to time calls Satan/Lucifer a global manipulation field, some type of Matrix which is orchestrated from the higher level of existence and which rules over Earth. That field has its subjects, which are basically NPCs, but here we talk about majority if not pretty much all of humanity and not a meme made by alt right.
This theory goes hand in hand with Bible, where it says that Satan is ruler of this world. My belief that they meant that literally. Also, Gnostic scriptures tend to move into this direction, where Satan is ruler of materialistic world and maybe even its creator and God is the goal to which we must strive to escape clutches of imprisonment on Earth.
Now it makes sense when you think about it, how many eastern philosophies such as Buddhism want you to stop as soon as possible to incarnate here and they want you to give middle finger to this life as this all is a trap for your soul.

P.S. Existence of Satan as a ruler of Earth or even its creator doesn't mean that God doesn't exist. I just wanted to offer additional viewpoint to usual God vs. Satan or Good vs. Evil.
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(03-29-2019 11:14 AM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  
(03-29-2019 11:06 AM)The Father Wrote:  
(03-29-2019 09:03 AM)Ski pro Wrote:  It’s April 1st on Monday. You’re early.

Did he get banned for this, or some other post?

I'm pretty sure it was an insta-ban for this post. Non-believers are often very quick to mock believers about their magical sky daddy or the like, but I really can't see Roosh putting up with that kind of thing on his own forum, and certainly not in this thread, when he said the atheists can start their own thread.

Ski pro chose poorly, which is too bad, because he was a good poster otherwise.

Well, it is certainly Roosh's forum to do as he pleases. And considering that his journey toward God seems to have been accelerated by the untimely (and tragic) passing of his sister, mocking religion was likely in poor taste.

That said, I'm against censorship of any sort on these forums. For one thing, it smacks of feminist blogs, where as soon as one (usually male) poster goes against the grain of all the desperate self-esteem boosting posts the girls vomit up, he is immediately banned. For another, our arguments should stand on their merits. The great deliberative bodies of the world - UK Parliament, US Congress - are rough and tumble places and yes, a little mocking does occasionally occur (see Mike Lee's rejoinder to AOC's green new deal, below).

The strongest ideas will prevail, and can easily sustain a little mocking. Intellectual darwinism.

The poster shouldn't have been banned for this post. And obviously, after many enjoyable years on this forum, I'm willing to politely point that out, because if saying that gets me banned, too, a forum that devolved to that level of sensitivity wouldn't be worth being part of.

For what it's worth, I also believe in a supreme being, though i'm a little less certain on the particulars than most christians.

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(03-29-2019 11:43 AM)General Mayhem Wrote:  I definitely think there is a movement towards the god pill. I started reading the bible a month ago and have been moving from black pill to god pill. Roosh is moving to it along with many others. Definitely not a coincidence since most of us have progressed to this stage along with the decline of our cultures.

He is right though, the black pill isn't sustainable. The good thing is that religion will be strengthened if enough people come to it through the black pill. Too many weak bodies and blue pill idiots in the church right now.

Thing is, I can easily relate to someone like Roosh who came to god through the black pill but I have a hard time relating to the lifelong evangelicals and "all are welcome" types. I would probably even have a hard time relating to most of the catholics in the church where I grew up.

It's interesting to think about, seeing as there has been such a rejection of the church in the past 50 or so years, are we reversing course because everything returns to it's natural state?

The black pill is like another poster said here, a rejection of all things positive in the world. I don't know if I personally could ever go down the path. I understand how bleak things can look at times, but I also believe that you have the power to shape the world around you (your 'Youniverse'), so that your life can be either as good or as bad as you make it. You also are a culmination of the things that happen to you, but more importantly, how you react to those happenstances, and the man that you become because of said experiences.

That being said, there are many high performing athletes, successful people, and happy men and women that attribute it all to their belief in God, I am very interested in this.

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(03-29-2019 11:56 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Personally I imagine God as the confluence of all sentience, as such all seeing and all knowing. My wife and I often unthinkingly read each others thoughts without even being in each other's peripheral vision and other members have expressed this telepathic experience. I also experience it in the sense that a person with whom I'm familiar will pop into my thoughts about five seconds before I get a phone call from them.

As such I believe God is in some sense the central nexus of all awareness.

Further to that I believe that all living things have a sort of receiver antenna to this network. For some the antenna is greater than others and while it may seem unfair I agree with DV that much of that is genetic, though to my mind it's in the sense that not all radios are built to equal specifications. I think all animals have this connection, not just mankind, but that the strength of the signal is dampened by ego. As such a dog that possesses a genetically lesser antenna can still demonstrably grow to have more compassion than a theoretically more sophisticated human who's ego has overwhelmed their antenna to God.

I was raised a Christian but Christians themselves drove me away from God. My connection to him has come through observation of nature and sharpening my ability to be silent and simply listen on a spiritual level to the world around me.

As such I put no faith in institutional spirituality. I'm sure there are good churches out there but I'd have to move a considerable distance to find one and moreover I find that even the "good ones" place a total emphasis on surrender in all its forms. Institutionalized Christianity and all its texts have been adapted as a means of social control and in most cases have been "re-translated" many times toward that end.

If you're lucky enough to have a highly functional spiritual antenna then you're better off learning to cull back your ego and sharpen your senses.

My beliefs are close to yours. There is a central conscientious, and perhaps when we die we return to it, like a wave that rises from the ocean, becomes its one unique existence, and crashes and returns to the rest of the ocean.
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(03-29-2019 11:56 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Personally I imagine God as the confluence of all sentience, as such all seeing and all knowing. My wife and I often unthinkingly read each others thoughts without even being in each other's peripheral vision and other members have expressed this telepathic experience. I also experience it in the sense that a person with whom I'm familiar will pop into my thoughts about five seconds before I get a phone call from them.

As such I believe God is in some sense the central nexus of all awareness.

Such experiences as described in quoted paragraph were very frequent in my childhood and puberty and with now becoming a bit rarer. In some periods they were very usual and normal.
Over the years they red pilled me into believing or better said, knowing that non phyiscal phenomena are real and that they hint to something greater than mundane materialistic worldview. I regard this as true red pill.
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I am very interested to read about this mushroom experience. Does this experience make you want to try DMT to get more? Was it an experience of evil or of some kind of transcendence?

I have a good friend that's very faithful, but my problem with him is that his belief is very prescriptive - if it's not in his specific interpretation of the bible then it's not really Christian. He's probably the best man I know, but our beliefs are different. I'm pretty agnostic due to lack of evidence (or faith) - but I'm hopeful that I am wrong.

I believe that if I am that when I die the afterlife will be nothing like what those ancient jews imagined. I hope not anyway. I'd love it if there were more to reality than we currently know.
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I consider myself an Agnostic. As much as I wish I could believe in the mythology of Christianity I can't. I consider the stories of the bible, such as Noah's Ark, were for telling stories around a campfire for entertainment when there was no TV. The Bible spits some Red Pill truths about life and morality, however, I can't bring myself to be a true believer.

With that said, the biggest assholes I've ever met are atheists. As an agnostic myself I realize I have no ability to confirm or deny the existence of a God or any religion. Atheists, who are almost always liberal assholes, relentlessly deny Christianity. They tout climate change and evolution as 100% factual "SCIENCE!!!", despite the fact they are theories, and when someone suggests religion as a theory they respond as if the person suggesting it is a stupid redneck. Then, when it comes to any discussing the notion of any religion other than Christianity, they just go to Starbucks for a $7 latte and talk about how wonderful their cultures are and how chopping your dick off makes you a biological woman.

Fuck I'm way too pissed off lately. I think I'm going to start going to an Orthodox Church out of spite. Anyone selling a cabin in rural New Hampshire?

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Good thread, I will chime in my thoughts and experiences later when I have more time.

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The "pills" are more gateway steps to understanding human nature and how things really work more than anything else. I've gone through my phases with God. I don't think the two are related. Our relationship is complicated. I learn towards more of there being a "white pill" where one has understood and transcended the nonsense and triviality of life and self (ego).
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Fifth stage - The monk pill: Complete submission to God's will.
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(03-29-2019 11:56 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Personally I imagine God as the confluence of all sentience, as such all seeing and all knowing. My wife and I often unthinkingly read each others thoughts without even being in each other's peripheral vision and other members have expressed this telepathic experience. I also experience it in the sense that a person with whom I'm familiar will pop into my thoughts about five seconds before I get a phone call from them.

As such I believe God is in some sense the central nexus of all awareness.

Such experiences as described in quoted paragraph were very frequent in my childhood and puberty and with now becoming a bit rarer. In some periods they were very usual and normal.
Over the years they red pilled me into believing or better said, knowing that non phyiscal phenomena are real and that they hint to something greater than mundane materialistic worldview. I regard this as true red pill.

My initial suspicion is that people who are surrounded in their youth by dark consciousnesses learn to wall themselves off psychically. In essence they switch to "flight mode". Unfortunately this also by default puts up a barrier between them and God.

Later in life they might reach back out on that level but there are real and inherent dangers in doing so. When people are close to you and you've invested in them psychically then it's the equivalent of having everyone on a call blocking list except your chosen few.

On the other hand I know several people who I define as being either knowingly or unknowingly evil. Even to have a simple and seemingly benign conversation with them, sometimes even to think of them, invites the kind of disorder into your mind that one would associate with a virus being broadcast at high intensity.

The public will judge a man by what he lifts, but those close to him will judge him by what he carries.
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I'm agnostic but had a on and off childhood experience in a christian church. I lean towards there being some higher power however because there are simply too many incredible things that have occurred in the universe to just to just chalk it up to everything being a series of random events.

On the other hand, my logical and skeptical side prevents me from fully embracing faith or religion; despite recognizing the numerous benefits. It's hard for me to accept the religious history that has been passed down and reinterpreted a thousands times is remotely accurate in 2019. I think to myself, "we can't even get the basic facts today with digital recordings and the internet. How can I put overwhelming trust in info from 2000 years ago?"

Throughout life, I have connected better with christians and other spiritual/religious people vs atheists. Like RIslander, I think atheists are generally libtard assholes. This has made dating in the US tough at time though since I hold polarizing opinions that seems to piss off everyone a little bit. I could be a fake but that isn't my style. Non-religious conservative oriented people seems to be a pretty small niche worldwide.

Sometimes, I wish there was some kind of religion that was based in conservative values/ethics but dropped the historical stuff. Recognize a higher power in the universe but kept it broad and general; similar to how LDN described his form of spiritually. Isn't that what some Asian religions sort of preach? I'm not sure honestly; religious stuff is really not my strong suit.

That all said, I hope Roosh and anyone else finds peace with the God pill.
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RE: The God pill
(03-29-2019 12:28 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  On the other hand I know several people who I define as being either knowingly or unknowingly evil. Even to have a simple and seemingly benign conversation with them, sometimes even to think of them, invites the kind of disorder into your mind that one would associate with a virus being broadcast at high intensity.

I know exactly what you mean and I encountered such people a few times. But in my case I would put them into unknowingly evil category. Fun fact, I saw interesting new age term for such people. Organic portal. It tells you everything; they seem to be a portal through which evil emanates, like some kind of a node point in the Matrix.
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RE: The God pill
The one unique thing about living for God, as opposed for oneself, is that you end on a path that helps others. But this is the case for the majority of religions. It also makes decision making easier because you're doing "what's right." Again, for the benefit of others. Which, in turn, actually makes you feel good... like you're doing something positive with your life. But one thing I learned in life: good feelings, good will and gratitude are transitory and often never reciprocated. I think only saintly people are cool with that in the long-term.
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RE: The God pill
(03-29-2019 10:37 AM)JohnKreese Wrote:  Roosh, I've been in somewhat of a similar transition myself and I am most curious about the regional and demographic considerations that could arise for you.

You mention that you're adopting the Orthodox Church and that you would also like to move back to the US at some point. To what extent do you think it will be difficult leaving areas of the world where the Orthodox Church is most strong and prevalent to where it is a very minor (population wise) denomination (less than 1 million members)?

I'll cross that bridge when I figure out where I want to live.

(03-29-2019 10:44 AM)BeardedMastodon Wrote:  Roosh. What advice do you have to guys like me on this forum who are already God pilled but are continually tempted by wanting to expirence unbridled hedonism when they have not already? A snese that they will be missing out if we don’t?

If you knew what you did now before (20yrs ago) would you try to be A virgin or low notch count and shoot for marriage of a God pilled women?

Get out of the city. There is not much "God" there.

(03-29-2019 11:14 AM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  
(03-29-2019 11:06 AM)The Father Wrote:  
(03-29-2019 09:03 AM)Ski pro Wrote:  It’s April 1st on Monday. You’re early.

Did he get banned for this, or some other post?

I'm pretty sure it was an insta-ban for this post. Non-believers are often very quick to mock believers about their magical sky daddy or the like, but I really can't see Roosh putting up with that kind of thing on his own forum, and certainly not in this thread, when he said the atheists can start their own thread.

Ski pro chose poorly, which is too bad, because he was a good poster otherwise.

He was banned for attacking me via PM after receiving a warning.

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03-29-2019 12:50 PM
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RE: The God pill
I’m not religious - too much German philosophy at a young age - but Roosh your path reminds me a lot of Saint Augustine. If you haven’t read him, I give his work Confessions a very strong recommend.

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RE: The God pill
I think religion is an expression of your genetics.

Like the Aztecs wanted to carve people up, now look at mexico. Or mongolian gengis kahn was a violent conqueror, and slavic russia is the most violent white country as they are mixed with central Asian groups.

I see white christians expressing their desires on so many other groups who couldnt care less. Even the white libtards have an altruistic pathology, even if it's twisted.
I think empathy is genetic. Christianity is an expression of this trait that helped cold climate nordics survive together. Applied to outward groups, is resulting in their own annihilation.
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