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RE: The God pill
(06-20-2019 06:13 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  You cannot think in heaven. It is way too noisy.

Quote:And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

Revelation 4:8 KJV

Of course, if we were thinking we'd probably be doing the same thing.
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(06-20-2019 10:51 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  
(06-20-2019 10:42 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  Perhaps there is a form of belief that is not based in thought, thinking, and the mind, but is something deeper.

Yes. But if so, it's obviously not something that we know of, or at least it doesn't come naturally. Sometimes I wonder if the idea is to fake it until you make it, and then Jesus will meet you half way and take you the rest of the way, and then you'll know.

But then that still raises the question, will he take you the rest of the way if you say "ok whatever I believe sure why not"?

I'd say a "true believer" is someone who does their best to follow the teachings of Christ with the capacity they've got and the information to which they have access. If someone genuinely wants to believe in and follow Christ, but is led into theological or practical error because of an ignorant or malicious pastor, that doesn't make the person less of a "true believer" in my eyes. This is one of the reasons I never condemn heretics or schismatics *as individuals* regardless of the fact that I have no problem reiterating the Church's anathemas against particular aspects of those belief systems: the individuals who fall into those errors, I choose to believe, are doing their best with the information they have.

I don't believe it's their fault if the person they're following isn't necessarily leading them in the right direction, as most people in general are easy to influence. This is especially true when someone's standing on a stage, with many adoring fans, and has achieved some level of fame and authority (like Joel Osteen or Kenrick Cleveland). Sure, those guys are snake-oil salesmen...but can you really blame the average, relatively unthinking person for following them when their teachings make people feel good and they're famous on TV? I think the best approach is to just pray for those they're leading astray, that someday they may figure it out and escape the trap.

Ultimately, the answer to your question is that God is the judge of our hearts and souls - only His opinion matters at the end of the day.

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RE: The God pill
When Jesus returns, it will be like lightning, presumably that means that it will happen very suddenly. I'm concerned that some people will have panic attacks and freak out, and others will have heart attacks and die. Is this something to be concerned about, or will those things somehow not happen?

That's not how we do things in Russia, comrade.

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(06-21-2019 03:31 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  When Jesus returns, it will be like lightning, presumably that means that it will happen very suddenly. I'm concerned that some people will have panic attacks and freak out, and others will have heart attacks and die. Is this something to be concerned about, or will those things somehow not happen?

Only the damned will have these kind of problems, not the blessed. The same answer applies to your earlier problems about what constitutes a sufficient level of belief. The damned have an insufficient level of belief, and the blessed have true faith.

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(06-21-2019 03:31 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  When Jesus returns, it will be like lightning, presumably that means that it will happen very suddenly. I'm concerned that some people will have panic attacks and freak out, and others will have heart attacks and die. Is this something to be concerned about, or will those things somehow not happen?

Regardless of whether such things happen or not, why would you worry about it? God has said not to worry about tomorrow. Plan, yes. Worry, no.

Quote:25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life[a]?

28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith?

31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

Matthew 6:25-34


Scientific studies have shown that most people worry about stuff that never even happens.

   
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Now now, VP, no need to add a new form of troll to the forum.

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(06-21-2019 05:14 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Now now, VP, no need to add a new form of troll to the forum.

I know I sound like a kid with all these questions, but it's just my way. As you know a few weeks ago something happened and it's causing me to wonder about a lot of things. I know I'm being a bit hyperactive, I'll try to tone it down.

That's not how we do things in Russia, comrade.

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I actually gained a lot of respect for protestantism after reading Martin Luther "On the jews and their lies". Luther was definitely no pacifist humanitarian and while I'm no pharisee script reciter, his use of scripture to disprove jewish arguments is very convincing.

Unfortunately, this makes question even more how you can be a protestant pastor and a zionist. I'm gonna go ahead and call protestant zionists as straight up heretical.
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(06-21-2019 07:18 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  I actually gained a lot of respect for protestantism after reading Martin Luther "On the jews and their lies". Luther was definitely no pacifist humanitarian and while I'm no pharisee script reciter, his use of scripture to disprove jewish arguments is very convincing.

Unfortunately, this makes question even more how you can be a protestant pastor and a zionist. I'm gonna go ahead and call protestant zionists as straight up heretical.

Steven Anderson is generally insane and not someone worth listening to, but he did a great documentary on this topic called "Marching To Zion." Highly recommend it.

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Can someone help explain the commandment:

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Does this extend to humans?

In this documentary on the Amish (1.50) it says that this is why the Amish refuse to be photographed.





The reproduction of images of humans creates so much evil (social media, instagram, selfies, hollywood etc.), that surely God would disapprove.
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(06-21-2019 07:18 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  I actually gained a lot of respect for protestantism after reading Martin Luther "On the jews and their lies". Luther was definitely no pacifist humanitarian and while I'm no pharisee script reciter, his use of scripture to disprove jewish arguments is very convincing.

Unfortunately, this makes question even more how you can be a protestant pastor and a zionist. I'm gonna go ahead and call protestant zionists as straight up heretical.

It is a relatively recent Christian heresy involving John Darby, the Scofield Reference Bible, and dispensational premillennialism, which sees the Christian Church as a temporary interlude in the progress of Israel's prophesied history. I mentioned it earlier here:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-72750...pid1978160
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(06-21-2019 08:25 PM)Oak Wrote:  Can someone help explain the commandment:

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Does this extend to humans?

In this documentary on the Amish (1.50) it says that this is why the Amish refuse to be photographed.

The reproduction of images of humans creates so much evil (social media, instagram, selfies, hollywood etc.), that surely God would disapprove.

Start with the language of the second commandment. What does it say?

Quote:“Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image or any likeness of any thing that is in Heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me, and showing mercy unto thousands of them that love Me and keep My Commandments”

Exodus 20:4-6.

God Himself shortly afterwards ordered Israel to "make two cherubim of gold of beaten work" for the mercy-seat (Exo. 25:18) and later the serpent of brass. So, it is manifest error to view the commandment as condemning all statuary, paintings, and images. It is not the ingenuity of making such things, but the stupidity in worshipping them, which is condemned. That is clear from the language "thou shalt not bow down thyself to them."

Because God is a spiritual and omnipotent Being, to represent Him as of a material and limited form is a falsehood and an insult to His majesty.
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(06-21-2019 08:25 PM)Oak Wrote:  The reproduction of images of humans creates so much evil (social media, instagram, selfies, hollywood etc.), that surely God would disapprove.
(06-21-2019 08:42 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  It is not the ingenuity of making such things, but the stupidity in worshipping them, which is condemned. That is clear from the language "thou shalt not bow down thyself to them."
Yeah I think that clearly extends to Instagram then, people are definitely worshiping images on there lol
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On the destruction of Catholicism, the Reformation, and its consequences to this day. Brilliant analysis.



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(06-21-2019 07:18 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  I actually gained a lot of respect for protestantism after reading Martin Luther "On the jews and their lies". Luther was definitely no pacifist humanitarian and while I'm no pharisee script reciter, his use of scripture to disprove jewish arguments is very convincing.

Unfortunately, this makes question even more how you can be a protestant pastor and a zionist. I'm gonna go ahead and call protestant zionists as straight up heretical.

He wrote that in repentance for having collaborated with the Jews to rewrite the Bible, and split Christendom.

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(06-21-2019 03:31 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  When Jesus returns, it will be like lightning, presumably that means that it will happen very suddenly. I'm concerned that some people will have panic attacks and freak out, and others will have heart attacks and die. Is this something to be concerned about, or will those things somehow not happen?

Those that believe wouldn't have an issue. Those that don't will deny what they see in order to keep their belief structure.

I firmly believe that things will have to get near apocalyptic before Jesus would return.
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(06-21-2019 06:25 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 05:14 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  Now now, VP, no need to add a new form of troll to the forum.

I know I sound like a kid with all these questions, but it's just my way. As you know a few weeks ago something happened and it's causing me to wonder about a lot of things. I know I'm being a bit hyperactive, I'll try to tone it down.

Sorry bro, thought you were playfully trolling the super serious religious talk. Carry on, don't listen to me.

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I took this picture in Boston. The church is so subverted that it's welcoming people who don't believe in God. It even has a "Rabbi in residence."

   

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(06-22-2019 01:11 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I took this picture in Boston. The church is so subverted that it's welcoming people who don't believe in God. It even has a "Rabbi in residence."
Looks like a Synagoge to me.
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(06-22-2019 01:11 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I took this picture in Boston. The church is so subverted that it's welcoming people who don't believe in God. It even has a "Rabbi in residence."

This is clearly not a Christian church, so they can invite whoever they wish.

Having said that, the people who run this abomination will be judged harshly by God for masquerading as a church and for leading people to hell.
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(06-22-2019 08:11 AM)Aurini Wrote:  
(06-21-2019 07:18 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  I actually gained a lot of respect for protestantism after reading Martin Luther "On the jews and their lies". Luther was definitely no pacifist humanitarian and while I'm no pharisee script reciter, his use of scripture to disprove jewish arguments is very convincing.

Unfortunately, this makes question even more how you can be a protestant pastor and a zionist. I'm gonna go ahead and call protestant zionists as straight up heretical.

He wrote that in repentance for having collaborated with the Jews to rewrite the Bible, and split Christendom.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the reformation (1517) happened just as the jewish Medici pope Leo X gained power (1513-1521).

The germanics were not about to be ruled by crypto-jews in Italy, just like we might see a split now between the Anglo-Catholic church and the crypto-marxist pope in Italy.
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(06-22-2019 03:31 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 01:11 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I took this picture in Boston. The church is so subverted that it's welcoming people who don't believe in God. It even has a "Rabbi in residence."

This is clearly not a Christian church, so they can invite whoever they wish.

Having said that, the people who run this abomination will be judged harshly by God for masquerading as a church and for leading people to hell.

It's a 150+ year old Episcopal church that has a weird partnership with a synagogue. From the synagogue website:

Quote:Emmanuel Center is the programmatic partnership of Central Reform Temple and Emmanuel Church. Our two congregations are faithfully rooted in our distinct religious traditions and shared spiritual heritage. We strive to model compassionate encounters between Judaism and Christianity that affirm the difficult challenges of history and aspire to new levels of understanding. We collaborate with arts and educational groups on events that explore spiritual and ethical perspectives on our shared human experience.
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(06-22-2019 03:52 PM)VNvet Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 03:31 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(06-22-2019 01:11 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I took this picture in Boston. The church is so subverted that it's welcoming people who don't believe in God. It even has a "Rabbi in residence."

This is clearly not a Christian church, so they can invite whoever they wish.

Having said that, the people who run this abomination will be judged harshly by God for masquerading as a church and for leading people to hell.

It's a 150+ year old Episcopal Church that has a weird partnership with a synagogue. From the synagogue website:

Quote:Emmanuel Center is the programmatic partnership of Central Reform Temple and Emmanuel Church. Our two congregations are faithfully rooted in our distinct religious traditions and shared spiritual heritage. We strive to model compassionate encounters between Judaism and Christianity that affirm the difficult challenges of history and aspire to new levels of understanding. We collaborate with arts and educational groups on events that explore spiritual and ethical perspectives on our shared human experience.

There are many former Christian churches that are now apostate churches because they no longer follow the teachings of the bible. They support abortion, homosexuality, women ministers, and all other forms of perversion. This is a clear example of such an apostate church.

As to the forms of apostasy, there are two main types: (1) a falling away from key and true doctrines of the Bible into heretical teachings that proclaim to be “the real” Christian doctrine, and (2) a complete renunciation of the Christian faith, which results in a full abandonment of Christ.

Quote:For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself an angel of light.

2 Corinthians 11:13–14

Quote:But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 Peter 2:1 (KJV)


You will know them by their fruits:

Quote:Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Titus 1:15-16 (KJV)


An important aspect of true believers is that they have been delivered out of spiritual darkness into light (Ephesians 5:8) and therefore they will not deny core truths of Scripture.

Quote:For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light

Ephesians 5:8


So, why did I say (in post #920) that "the people who run this abomination will be judged harshly by God for masquerading as a church and for leading people to hell"? The great tragedy is that, whether knowingly or unknowingly, the apostate teacher dooms his unsuspecting followers. One of the most frightening verses in all of Scripture comes from the lips of Jesus:

Quote:Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

Matthew 15:14 (KJV)

This verse is alarming because Jesus affirms that it is not only the false teachers that go to destruction, but also all the disciples who follow them.
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It's strange the places you find God, even as a non-believer.

Something touches you deeper, stronger, more forcefully than anything in your life before. Music is one such vehicle that can transport us.

This is one such song. It's about mortality. About love.

I think sometimes we confuse divine love with relational love. I mean, what is stronger? The love you have for your mother, your brother, your wife? Can it even be quantified/qualified? Eskimos and their 21 words for 'snow'.

For me there is the intensely personal and the universal. And everything in between. Buddhists call the universal Bodhicitta*, Christians call it Agape** (loosely translated).

*Bodhicitta is a spontaneous wish to attain enlightenment motivated by great compassion for all sentient beings, accompanied by a falling away of the attachment to the illusion of an inherently existing self.


**Agape (Ancient Greek ἀγάπη, agapē) is a Greco-Christian term referring to love, "the highest form of love, charity" and "the love of God for man and of man for God".


I think there is a place for both in men's hearts. As well as the intensely personal. The intensely personal is probably the most folly of all though. It can never be attained. Women can never be loved like that. They can never love like that.

And isn't this the very cornerstone of this little empire that Roosh has built here? It is their nature.

Easier to spend years or decades being a monk, praying, meditating. Then at least you have a chance of knowing God. That is attainable. Universal unconditional love. But never personal love. Not unconditional anyway.


The ultimate red pill. Never mind the conspiracies and the great frauds. To realise that woman has a more brutish and transactional nature than the most alpha of men. That no alpha is any match for the most 'basic' of women. It's a hard pill to swallow. The black pill or the god pill follows, some kind of remedy is needed.

Before our juices run cold
And our flesh grows old
Let me feed upon your breast
And draw closer to your soul


This earthly world we have here is no place for us. Not only will it not satisfy our carnal desires, it won't even satisfy our heavenly desires: to love, be loved, unconditionally. As a mother loves a child. So the story goes.


Take me beyond love
Up to something above
Upon this bed
Between these sheets
Take me to a happiness
Beyond human reach
Beyond the grasp of lust
Beyond the need for trust
Beyond the gaze of the sick and the lame
Beyond the stench of human pain








Move away from the window
And into the light
There are some things in this life
That you just can't fight
It's as if the spirits above
Have cast a little spell upon us
It's as if heaven above
Is beckoning us
So let us take off our crosses
And lay them in a tin
And let our weakness become virtue
Instead of sin
Our bodies stand naked
As the day they were born
And tremble like animals
Before a coming storm
Take me beyond love
Up to something above
Upon this bed
Between these sheets
Take me to a happiness
Beyond human reach
The force of life
Is rushing though our veins
In and out like the tide
It comes in waves
The drops of semen
And the clots of blood
Which may, one day
Become like us
With outstretched hands
Reaching beyond love
And up to something above
Before our juices run cold
And our flesh grows old
Let me feed upon your breast
And draw closer to your soul
Let me stay with you tonight
And I'll offer you my world
I'll take you to the angels
If you'll take me to myself
Take me beyond love
Up to something above
Upon this bed
Between these sheets
Take me to a happiness
Beyond human reach
Beyond the grasp of lust
Beyond the need for trust
Beyond the gaze of the sick and the lame
Beyond the stench of human pain
06-22-2019 04:15 PM
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RE: The God pill
The whole Judeo-Christian thing I hear modern Christians tote about is baffling. It takes about ten minutes of research to realize Judaism is fundamentally against the belief in Christ. In fact the Talmud scriptures have Jesus eternally tortured in their version of hell.

It really is hard to stomach modern churchianities that have become so pussified they cowardly feel they have to please everyone and not step on anyones toes. Its just feel-good, back-patting bullshit deluded in cognitive dissonance.

Granted, their has been an immense framework and efforts to make Christians this way from an evil enemy.
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