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(06-25-2019 06:18 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  Always refer to scripture for answers. God says that no one can look at God and live. Exodus 33:20 Moses came down from the mountain with the Ten Commandments and after seeing a partial view of God’s backside, his face radiated with glory, the Shekinah glory of God. This was recorded in Exodus 34:29-35:

Man made scripture is utterly contradictory and confusing. Requires plenty of hamstering.

Moses clearly saw god('s arse) here and lived.

So he is either making shit up, or whoever wrote about him is making shit up or most likely both.

I don't deny god exists, but I deny people thinking it's a big dood who kills you if you look at him or makes your face glow if you see his arse. Fairytale stuff made up to prevent thought.

The 10 commandments themselves and other writings I'm totally cool with because they tie in with the view of god being many ancestors who set the rules for continuation (whether entirely human or not is another story) but it's very unlikely to be a single big old guy, that's a very modern interpretation in the grand scheme of things.

Edit: you know what Tailgunner. The more I read those passages you quoted, the more it sounds like "aliens" or space/time travelers. This could fit in the Bob Lazar thread Wink

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(06-25-2019 06:20 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Tail Gunner,

The "judges" of ancient Israel was the Tribe of Dan, which according to wiki literally means "judge".

The tribe of Dan were also aegean greeks, they were not jews and not semittic.

If you think that this time of judges in Israel was good, then it's no so strange when you learn that the judges were not jews but europeans. They were in fact, historically exiled, by the Assyrians. This is the origin of the belief of British Israelism and why they believe the British are the tribe of Dan.

I just read a single article on the topic. Very interesting.

https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/MAGA...-1.5468423


It just does not make logical sense that the Jews, so famously insular, would place such outsiders over them as judges (elders). If it did happen, those Greeks would certainly have been religiously Jewish, because they would have needed a keen knowledge of Jewish law.

The Book of Judges mentions twelve leaders who judged Israel: Othniel, Ehud, Shamgar, Deborah, Gideon, Tola, Jair, Jephthah, Ibzan, Elon, Abdon, and Samson. The First Book of Samuel mentions Eli and Samuel, as well as Joel and Abiah (two sons of Samuel). The First Book of Chronicles mentions Kenaniah and his sons. The Second Book of Chronicles mentions Amariah and Zebadiah (son of Ishmael).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_judges

So, it might be possible to trace each judge to their tribe to prove your theory. That article does mention that Samson was from the tribe of Dan.
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(06-25-2019 06:33 PM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 06:18 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  Always refer to scripture for answers. God says that no one can look at God and live. Exodus 33:20 Moses came down from the mountain with the Ten Commandments and after seeing a partial view of God’s backside, his face radiated with glory, the Shekinah glory of God. This was recorded in Exodus 34:29-35:

Man made scripture is utterly contradictory and confusing. Requires plenty of hamstering.

Moses clearly saw god('s arse) here and lived.

So he is either making shit up, or whoever wrote about him is making shit up or most likely both.

I don't deny god exists, but I deny people thinking it's a big dood who kills you if you look at him or makes your face glow if you see his arse. Fairytale stuff made up to prevent thought.

The 10 commandments themselves and other writings I'm totally cool with because they tie in with the view of god being many ancestors who set the rules for continuation (whether entirely human or not is another story) but it's very unlikely to be a single big old guy, that's a very modern interpretation in the grand scheme of things.

Edit: you know what Tailgunner. The more I read those passages you quoted, the more it sounds like "aliens" or space/time travelers. This belongs in the Bob Lazar thread Wink

Scripture never contradicts. It is obvious from the verses that you cannot see the face of God and live, which is why God only allowed Moses to see another portion of his essence. "Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions." Proverbs 18:2-3

As Roosh said in Post #1: "This is not a thread for pedantic debate about the existence of God or which sect is best. This is for people who already believe in God and want to get closer to Him. (Atheists are free to create their own thread)."

If you wish to troll -- and mock Christianity by mentioning aliens and "Fairytale stuff made up to prevent thought" then you need to go elsewhere before you get banned.
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(06-25-2019 06:33 PM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 06:18 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  Always refer to scripture for answers. God says that no one can look at God and live. Exodus 33:20 Moses came down from the mountain with the Ten Commandments and after seeing a partial view of God’s backside, his face radiated with glory, the Shekinah glory of God. This was recorded in Exodus 34:29-35:

Man made scripture is utterly contradictory and confusing. Requires plenty of hamstering.

Moses clearly saw god('s arse) here and lived.

So he is either making shit up, or whoever wrote about him is making shit up or most likely both.

I don't deny god exists, but I deny people thinking it's a big dood who kills you if you look at him or makes your face glow if you see his arse. Fairytale stuff made up to prevent thought.

The 10 commandments themselves and other writings I'm totally cool with because they tie in with the view of god being many ancestors who set the rules for continuation (whether entirely human or not is another story) but it's very unlikely to be a single big old guy, that's a very modern interpretation in the grand scheme of things.

Edit: you know what Tailgunner. The more I read those passages you quoted, the more it sounds like "aliens" or space/time travelers. This belongs in the Bob Lazar thread Wink

Scripture never contradicts. It is obvious from the verses that you cannot see the face of God and live, which is why God only allowed Moses to see another portion of his essence. "Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions." Proverbs 18:2-3

As Roosh said in Post #1: "This is not a thread for pedantic debate about the existence of God or which sect is best. This is for people who already believe in God and want to get closer to Him. (Atheists are free to create their own thread)."

If you wish to troll and mock Christianity by mentioning aliens and "Fairytale stuff made up to prevent thought" then you need to go elsewhere before you get banned.

Not trolling and not Atheist. Getting closer to god requires understanding of what it is you are getting close to. The problem here is human interpretations... and it seems questioning things that seem false is a problem too (like false idols).

But I guess (("shut it down")) is how it goes in here. If that's the case, I'll depart this thread voluntarily and leave you guys to dispute each other's interpretations of semitic scripture in isolation.

For entertainment and educational use only, your m8 Jackin'
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The heavens declare the glory of God.

Bacteria have propellers and little electric motors in their ass.

"There is no evidence for God" is a thief trying to convince you policemen don't exist.

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After an enlightening trip to Bali and Bangkok- I checked out Budddhist and Hindu temples and monuments, I am finding it hard to put my spiritual life first when in Australia.

I find myself getting attached to the physical world too much, making it the thing I ruminate over, rather than my original goal of developing spiritually and living by religious principles.

Up until now I had not been past of any religious group or organization- I'm thinking I may need to attend some prayer group every week, to be around like minded people and keep me on the right path.

Taking time in the morning to put prayer first is also important.

The most powerful thing you can do is detach from needing something
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The Bible states repeatedly that we must seek God with all our heart, but the modern world works diligently to make this as difficult as possible, having this detaching effect: it provides us constant distraction so that we busy ourselves with irrelevant details and miss the forest for the trees, making it all that much harder to put all our hearts in any pursuit. It also surrounds us with unnatural structures and movements: I can sit in the woods and just listen to the sounds it has and clear my mind – those have been the moments when I can truly pray. Whereas in the city, even in Church, with the noise of cars flying past it, or in my home, with the rumble from the street or from the neighbors TV, I cannot do the same; much less in traffic, the train station or the lobby at my office.

On their way to work or simply on a walk, the men of ancient times had multiple opportunities to contemplate the glory of God showcased in His creation. Now we must cancel out all the human works to find God’s amidst it. It’s as if the modern world is working hard to bury and hide the knowledge and evidence of God as much as possible. There’s a Russian movie that was censored by the soviets that has a scene in which a flower finds its way through the concrete pavement - this is how I see this struggle. God will always shine through. But it’s naïve to believe that all societies and conditions are equally suitable to allow it – I think it’s clear the modern world is either purposefully designed to detach us from God, or it resulted in it regardless of the original purpose.

The decline in attention spans is well documented. It is now commonplace for people to ‘multitask’ and not pay attention to any one thing: watch TV while browsing your phone, study while listening to music, listen to music while reading a book, and so on. And these are comparatively very trivial pursuits. Seeking God with all your heart is very difficult when you are immersed in noise 24/7.

I have been thinking lately about the spreading of the Gospel by the Europeans to the heathens and how it was rarely done by itself. Instead, it was always tied to the spread of the rest of European civilization, that is, our technologies (and I include in this social technologies such as our political and legal structures, for example). I don’t know if it could have been done any other way, but it has been bothering me that it might have done more harm than good – that it might had led to more lost souls than saved.

St. Paul says that those who have not received the Law are the Law unto themselves, for it is written in every man’s heart, and by following the natural law that is inherent in every man, they are as well saved. So, before we arrived in, say, Africa or Japan, they had societies without the Gospel, but also without the trappings of the modern world – a world that they did not create, and therefore are even more unsuited to navigate than Europeans are. Was it a net benefit for them? The primitive in the jungle who is the law unto himself and is a good person gets introduced to the Gospel and now has no excuse to not follow it – but his world is turned upside down and the social milieu around him is now completely alien to him. The requirements of that world, and the distractions it creates, probably make it harder for him to find God than his simple life of dwelling in the jungle, farming or hunting, raising his family in harmony with nature, etc. Instead of finding a simplified version of God, praying in the way that he knows how to by interacting with nature, it’s a possibility that now he won’t find God at all amidst the noise.
I think our predicament is not that different.

Of course, by understanding this we must act: remove ourselves from the noise, eliminate as much as possible all the distractions that surround us, and seek God with all our heart. I think part of seeking Him with all our hearts is consciously removing the comforts and distractions that dull our senses to His presence.

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(06-25-2019 06:20 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  This is the origin of the belief of British Israelism and why they believe the British are the tribe of Dan.

New British immigration policy, post Brexit:

"If your name's not Dan, you're not coming in."
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(06-25-2019 06:41 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  It just does not make logical sense that the Jews, so famously insular, would place such outsiders over them as judges (elders). If it did happen, those Greeks would certainly have been religiously Jewish, because they would have needed a keen knowledge of Jewish law.

This is because modern jewry is a perverted cult of kaballah and esoteric mysticism. It is the "Babylonian Talmud", which is very different from the temple worship of ancient Israel.

This is another topic that no one seems to understand or care about any more. The Old Testament is not only about the jews, some of it yes, the part of David and such, but not what comes first, the Genesis and all the stories of Adam and Noah and so on.

The ark settled on mount Ararat, which is in Armenia NOT Israel or any semittic area. In addition, the Ur that Abraham is supposed to have left could have just as well been Urfa in Armenia, which according to Wiki is in fact:
Quote:According to Jewish and Muslim tradition, Urfa is Ur Kasdim, the hometown of Abraham.

So Israelite tradition is not from the semittic areas, but from the areas from where the Anatolian Europeans spread to the rest of Europe and likely downstream Euphrates to Sumeria, where they recreated Ur-fa as Ur.

Urfa is the home of the world's ruins: Gobekli Tepe:
[Image: Pillar-43.jpg]

This is a depiction of "angels" carrying a bag.

This "angel with bag" motif is found around the world:

[Image: Olmec-Monument.jpg?itok=c84NHfqy]

That's Olmec in Mexico.

This is because the people who came from Gobekli Tepe became the Sumerians, became the Egyptians and Minoans and they sailed around the world including to South America.

Those people looked like this:

[Image: blueeyessumer.jpg]

So the Dan of ancient Israel, were not jewish, but jewish didn't exist then. The so called "jewish" religion is merely on esoteric offshoot of Pharisee mysticism from the Babylonian Talmud, a perversion that Jesus Christ railed against.

The Dan were the judges, because they were the closest to the people of Ur, of Gobekli Tepe, of the angel with the bag.

What did Jesus Christ say? "I come not to destroy, but to uphold the law", the law which the Dan used to judge.
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The atheist here. I'm in a church right now! First time in 20 yrs. I met a pastor at Starbucks and we spoke and he asked if I would do some teaching. I said sure, so here I am. It is beautiful, and it's a small church, I can only imagine how awe inspiring Notre Dame Cathedral must have been.
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(06-26-2019 06:09 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  So Israelite tradition is not from the semittic areas, but from the areas from where the Anatolian Europeans spread to the rest of Europe and likely downstream Euphrates to Sumeria, where they recreated Ur-fa as Ur.

All of rest of humanity came from there as well. Given universal flood legends.
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I have personally left Christianity when I was 19.

I was a seeker since age 14 and it consumed me quite strongly until I found the path I am going now.

There is little doubt in my mind that there is a God, a meaning for life itself that is based on this world being a school, also that there is a Divine Spirit/Force/Voice of God that speaks to all of us if we manage to raise our awareness enough to listen to it.

Back when I studied the lives of saints I found a common thread among the higher ones - of most religions.

St. Francis of Assissi, Niklaus von der Flue (Swiss), Rumi, Shams-I-Tabriz (Persians), Milarepa (Tibetan), Teresa of Avila (Spanish saint) - all would come upon a spiritual path transcending even the religions they were following.

I follow the path of Eckankar which is even assessed by the Catholic church as a beningn cult. The funny part is that I heard of Christian bishops who follow my path, but they are too old to leave the church and are serving the divine hierarchy in their function, God if you will in the religion they initially chose - and it's not necesserily a conflict.

That said - not all religions are equal for sure, the higher saints usually transcend the normal path.

It's interesting that Roosh has found new meaning in religion. Christianity itself is certainly one of the better religions on this planet which explains why the elite had to subvert it, battle it and change it for their goals.
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(06-26-2019 10:34 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  
(06-26-2019 06:09 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  So Israelite tradition is not from the semittic areas, but from the areas from where the Anatolian Europeans spread to the rest of Europe and likely downstream Euphrates to Sumeria, where they recreated Ur-fa as Ur.

All of rest of humanity came from there as well. Given universal flood legends.

No, only the semittes and the europeans.

Flood myths are recollections of when the ice melted following the end of the ice age (10.000bc).
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(06-26-2019 01:31 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  Flood myths are recollections of when the ice melted following the end of the ice age (10.000bc).

Be careful about making such broad-based statements. Just to cite another example, the Early Holocene Black Sea flood scenario describes events that would have profoundly affected prehistoric settlement in eastern Europe and adjacent parts of Asia and possibly the basis of oral history concerning Noah’s Flood. It is one of two flood scenarios proposing a rapid, even catastrophic, rise in sea level of the Black Sea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_...hypothesis

Then there is the whole issue of some massive man-made object on ount Ararat.
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ilostabet, there is a reason why the desert fathers are fabled to have said, when asked by their disciples if people in the coming age will perform similar miracles

"It will be a miracle for them just to believe"

ps, believing means being faithful, as I have so often talked about, not some mental projection or true/false test

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I just watched "Paul, Apostle of God" for the second time. It is the story of Paul's imprisonment in Rome shortly before his death, the story of Dr. Luke (who stood by Paul's side during this time and who wrote The Gospel of Luke and The Acts of the Apostles), the story of the Christian persecution in Rome, and the story of how Paul wrote his Epistle to the Romans and his second Epistle to Timothy. It is a great film.



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So are you saying that Abraham and his progeny are actually caucasian or aryan as opposed to semitic? Very interesting.
While people say the Bible is semitic in nature, we have to keep in mind that most of the New Testament is in Greek (a Caucasian/Aryan language). I'm a Christian so I believe that God wrote the Bible, but my point is that the New Testament contains many themes of the Greek philosophers(who were white).
(06-26-2019 06:09 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  
(06-25-2019 06:41 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  It just does not make logical sense that the Jews, so famously insular, would place such outsiders over them as judges (elders). If it did happen, those Greeks would certainly have been religiously Jewish, because they would have needed a keen knowledge of Jewish law.

This is because modern jewry is a perverted cult of kaballah and esoteric mysticism. It is the "Babylonian Talmud", which is very different from the temple worship of ancient Israel.

This is another topic that no one seems to understand or care about any more. The Old Testament is not only about the jews, some of it yes, the part of David and such, but not what comes first, the Genesis and all the stories of Adam and Noah and so on.

The ark settled on mount Ararat, which is in Armenia NOT Israel or any semittic area. In addition, the Ur that Abraham is supposed to have left could have just as well been Urfa in Armenia, which according to Wiki is in fact:
Quote:According to Jewish and Muslim tradition, Urfa is Ur Kasdim, the hometown of Abraham.

So Israelite tradition is not from the semittic areas, but from the areas from where the Anatolian Europeans spread to the rest of Europe and likely downstream Euphrates to Sumeria, where they recreated Ur-fa as Ur.

Urfa is the home of the world's ruins: Gobekli Tepe:
[Image: Pillar-43.jpg]

This is a depiction of "angels" carrying a bag.

This "angel with bag" motif is found around the world:

[Image: Olmec-Monument.jpg?itok=c84NHfqy]

That's Olmec in Mexico.

This is because the people who came from Gobekli Tepe became the Sumerians, became the Egyptians and Minoans and they sailed around the world including to South America.

Those people looked like this:

[Image: blueeyessumer.jpg]

So the Dan of ancient Israel, were not jewish, but jewish didn't exist then. The so called "jewish" religion is merely on esoteric offshoot of Pharisee mysticism from the Babylonian Talmud, a perversion that Jesus Christ railed against.

The Dan were the judges, because they were the closest to the people of Ur, of Gobekli Tepe, of the angel with the bag.

What did Jesus Christ say? "I come not to destroy, but to uphold the law", the law which the Dan used to judge.
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(06-27-2019 01:22 AM)bobmjilica Wrote:  So are you saying that Abraham and his progeny are actually caucasian or aryan as opposed to semitic? Very interesting.

Yes. Abraham and Adam were likely proto-anatolian whites. Notice the focus on A- sounds Armenia, Ur = Ar, A-natolia and so on. From the same region later Ar-yan.

They were not Aryan, since Aryans come from Germany/Poland as part of the Corded Ware culture, which later developed into the Sintastha culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sintashta_culture), which then become proto-iranian, which then invaded India and so on. No, that only tells us that the Iranian language is descended from people from Germany.

These people are older than the Aryans.

We're talking about the J2 haplogroup:

[Image: J-M172-map.jpg]

These are the people that brought farming to Europe. These are the people that created the Minoan civilization, which was the pre-aryan Greek civilization. They also likely were most of the stock of Egyptians.

So the Anatolian whites are some very interesting people. Keep in mind there was way more diversity in looks back then. More blue and light eyes among them, though today they are swarthier.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/anomalous-...dna-shows/

Quote:Anomalous blue-eyed people came to Israel 6,500 years ago from Iran, DNA shows

So there were blue eyed "iranians" waaaaay before the Aryans got there. That's why you have people like the Lion of Damascus, Bashar Al Assad with blue eyes. Jews alway like to show Levantines and Iranians as being dark and swarthy, but in many cases they are lighter than the jews.

Where it gets interesting is that the semittes, the jews and the arabs, who have haplogroup J1, share a common origin, also in Armenia, but genetic studies show that they didn't mix with the J2 anatolian white group.

This is very interesting, that these groups shared the same ice age refugium, but they didn't intermarry or mix.

So since time immemorial the white europeans and semittes have stood opposed. The whites created Greece, Egypt and Sumeria, while the semittes created Babylon, Akkadia and Assyria and these were at war with each other. First the semittes destroyed Sumeria, but took on their myths (that's where they come from) and then the semittes took over Egypt, taking on their myths as well.

The semitte has no real heritage of their own, they simple have adopted the myths of the anatolian whites.
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(06-25-2019 06:18 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  Always refer to scripture for answers. God says that no one can look at God and live. Exodus 33:20 Moses came down from the mountain with the Ten Commandments and after seeing a partial view of God’s backside, his face radiated with glory, the Shekinah glory of God. This was recorded in Exodus 34:29-35:

Man made scripture is utterly contradictory and confusing. Requires plenty of hamstering.

Moses clearly saw god('s arse) here and lived.

So he is either making shit up, or whoever wrote about him is making shit up or most likely both.

I don't deny god exists, but I deny people thinking it's a big dood who kills you if you look at him or makes your face glow if you see his arse. Fairytale stuff made up to prevent thought.

The 10 commandments themselves and other writings I'm totally cool with because they tie in with the view of god being many ancestors who set the rules for continuation (whether entirely human or not is another story) but it's very unlikely to be a single big old guy, that's a very modern interpretation in the grand scheme of things.

Edit: you know what Tailgunner. The more I read those passages you quoted, the more it sounds like "aliens" or space/time travelers. This belongs in the Bob Lazar thread Wink

Scripture never contradicts. It is obvious from the verses that you cannot see the face of God and live, which is why God only allowed Moses to see another portion of his essence. "Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions." Proverbs 18:2-3

As Roosh said in Post #1: "This is not a thread for pedantic debate about the existence of God or which sect is best. This is for people who already believe in God and want to get closer to Him. (Atheists are free to create their own thread)."

If you wish to troll and mock Christianity by mentioning aliens and "Fairytale stuff made up to prevent thought" then you need to go elsewhere before you get banned.

Not trolling and not Atheist. Getting closer to god requires understanding of what it is you are getting close to. The problem here is human interpretations... and it seems questioning things that seem false is a problem too (like false idols).

But I guess (("shut it down")) is how it goes in here. If that's the case, I'll depart this thread voluntarily and leave you guys to dispute each other's interpretations of semitic scripture in isolation.
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https://gracelife.co/is-grace-a-license-to-sin/

"You are no longer dominated by a sinful nature but a new righteous nature! You are completely free from sin’s influence. You are free to choose whether you serve sin (and choose it as your master) or whether you serve God (and choose Him as your master). As a Christian, sin is not an uncontrollable force that just comes upon you – you are free from that! Choosing to indulge in sin will only cause damage – God won’t punish you for it, but there are natural consequences to sin, sin will harden your heart towards God and if you give your enemy an opportunity to destroy you, he will try.

If you’re struggling with sin as a Christian, you need to know that there is no condemnation (Romans 8:1) and that God’s heart towards you doesn’t change according to your behaviour. The sin in your life is causing you damage but the penalty for that sin was paid in full on the cross (Hebrews 10:12) and God sees you as innocent (Romans 5:1)! Allowing sin in your life is like allowing a poisonous snake to live in your house – it’s stupid and dangerous. If you’re struggling with sin you need to know that God is not angry at you or condemning you (you are not under law but under grace). You can be free and walk in freedom, and it’s easier than you realize. Look to Jesus and what He has done for you. Focus on your new identity in Christ and you’ll start to see change."


Paraphrased : If you believe, but you still sin, God will ignore it, but you're just going to make life difficult for yourself (i.e. guilt, natural consequences).

Is this accurate?

That's not how we do things in Russia, comrade.

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(06-27-2019 07:48 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  https://gracelife.co/is-grace-a-license-to-sin/

"You are no longer dominated by a sinful nature but a new righteous nature! You are completely free from sin’s influence. You are free to choose whether you serve sin (and choose it as your master) or whether you serve God (and choose Him as your master). As a Christian, sin is not an uncontrollable force that just comes upon you – you are free from that! Choosing to indulge in sin will only cause damage – God won’t punish you for it, but there are natural consequences to sin, sin will harden your heart towards God and if you give your enemy an opportunity to destroy you, he will try.

If you’re struggling with sin as a Christian, you need to know that there is no condemnation (Romans 8:1) and that God’s heart towards you doesn’t change according to your behaviour. The sin in your life is causing you damage but the penalty for that sin was paid in full on the cross (Hebrews 10:12) and God sees you as innocent (Romans 5:1)! Allowing sin in your life is like allowing a poisonous snake to live in your house – it’s stupid and dangerous. If you’re struggling with sin you need to know that God is not angry at you or condemning you (you are not under law but under grace). You can be free and walk in freedom, and it’s easier than you realize. Look to Jesus and what He has done for you. Focus on your new identity in Christ and you’ll start to see change."


Paraphrased : If you believe, but you still sin, God will ignore it, but you're just going to make life difficult for yourself (i.e. guilt, natural consequences).

Is this accurate?

Here are both sides of the debate. Obviously, be careful not to backslide.

http://www.atkinslightquest.com/Document...ostasy.htm
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(06-27-2019 11:05 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 07:48 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  https://gracelife.co/is-grace-a-license-to-sin/

"You are no longer dominated by a sinful nature but a new righteous nature! You are completely free from sin’s influence. You are free to choose whether you serve sin (and choose it as your master) or whether you serve God (and choose Him as your master). As a Christian, sin is not an uncontrollable force that just comes upon you – you are free from that! Choosing to indulge in sin will only cause damage – God won’t punish you for it, but there are natural consequences to sin, sin will harden your heart towards God and if you give your enemy an opportunity to destroy you, he will try.

If you’re struggling with sin as a Christian, you need to know that there is no condemnation (Romans 8:1) and that God’s heart towards you doesn’t change according to your behaviour. The sin in your life is causing you damage but the penalty for that sin was paid in full on the cross (Hebrews 10:12) and God sees you as innocent (Romans 5:1)! Allowing sin in your life is like allowing a poisonous snake to live in your house – it’s stupid and dangerous. If you’re struggling with sin you need to know that God is not angry at you or condemning you (you are not under law but under grace). You can be free and walk in freedom, and it’s easier than you realize. Look to Jesus and what He has done for you. Focus on your new identity in Christ and you’ll start to see change."


Paraphrased : If you believe, but you still sin, God will ignore it, but you're just going to make life difficult for yourself (i.e. guilt, natural consequences).

Is this accurate?

Here are both sides of the debate. Obviously, be careful not to backslide.

http://www.atkinslightquest.com/Document...ostasy.htm

That's a different discussion. Interesting, but not quite to do with what I'm talking about. For what it's worth, I think you can believe, stop believing, and then believe again, no problem.

I find it amazing that 2000 years on people are still squabbling. Either Jesus had a reason for deliberately not making himself absolutely clear, or he said other stuff that isn't in the bible.

It's probably best to ignore the bible, ignore people's opinions, and just talk to God.

That's not how we do things in Russia, comrade.

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(06-28-2019 03:48 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 11:05 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 07:48 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  https://gracelife.co/is-grace-a-license-to-sin/

"You are no longer dominated by a sinful nature but a new righteous nature! You are completely free from sin’s influence. You are free to choose whether you serve sin (and choose it as your master) or whether you serve God (and choose Him as your master). As a Christian, sin is not an uncontrollable force that just comes upon you – you are free from that! Choosing to indulge in sin will only cause damage – God won’t punish you for it, but there are natural consequences to sin, sin will harden your heart towards God and if you give your enemy an opportunity to destroy you, he will try.

If you’re struggling with sin as a Christian, you need to know that there is no condemnation (Romans 8:1) and that God’s heart towards you doesn’t change according to your behaviour. The sin in your life is causing you damage but the penalty for that sin was paid in full on the cross (Hebrews 10:12) and God sees you as innocent (Romans 5:1)! Allowing sin in your life is like allowing a poisonous snake to live in your house – it’s stupid and dangerous. If you’re struggling with sin you need to know that God is not angry at you or condemning you (you are not under law but under grace). You can be free and walk in freedom, and it’s easier than you realize. Look to Jesus and what He has done for you. Focus on your new identity in Christ and you’ll start to see change."


Paraphrased : If you believe, but you still sin, God will ignore it, but you're just going to make life difficult for yourself (i.e. guilt, natural consequences).

Is this accurate?

Here are both sides of the debate. Obviously, be careful not to backslide.

http://www.atkinslightquest.com/Document...ostasy.htm

That's a different discussion. Interesting, but not quite to do with what I'm talking about. For what it's worth, I think you can believe, stop believing, and then believe again, no problem.

I find it amazing that 2000 years on people are still squabbling. Either Jesus had a reason for deliberately not making himself absolutely clear, or he said other stuff that isn't in the bible.

It's probably best to ignore the bible, ignore people's opinions, and just talk to God.

It seems like you are picking and choose what you want and becoming your own "God" who knows best. You can do that in your own time, but this thread is not to promote self-idolatry or other "new age" interpretations of Christianity.

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I think there is a fine line to be drawn between shunning the teachings through the ages and letting God find you.

I let God find me.

But I'm always mindful when his words resonate with me.


I try to be receptive, but very often I am just like a dull rag doll.

I tend to find God not so much through words and what others preach, but more by happy accidents and incidents in life.

Lately I must admit, I have totally lost any faith I had and am siding more and more with the atheists and heathens.

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(06-28-2019 10:45 AM)Roosh Wrote:  It seems like you are picking and choose what you want and becoming your own "God" who knows best. You can do that in your own time, but this thread is not to promote self-idolatry or other "new age" interpretations of Christianity.

It's not that I want to pick and choose, it's just that the bible is a very long book with many authors, so many interpretations, and there are so many disagreements about what things mean and refer to. It's a minefield and I don't want to get involved with all that. If I could discern some simple truth that could easily be understood, I'd go with that, but here we are 2000 years on and everyone still disagrees, and sometimes I don't know what to think.

The only thing I can say with certainty is that there a God right under my nose and He has all the answers. I may as well talk to Him. He's the only one I can trust, and I believe that if I talk to Him He will talk back and give me the real truth without me having to select what I think is true. Wanting to talk to God is as far from self-idolatry as you could get.

I was exaggerating when I said ignore the bible (I was feeling exasperated in that moment, after a lot of reading of people's interpretations), all I meant was that I'd rather keep some distance from the words of people and their differing opinions. No disrespect to anyone who wants to get stuck into all that, and there's value in people's commentary, but it's not for me. It's too confusing.

That's not how we do things in Russia, comrade.

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