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RE: The God pill
Most major religions - that includes Christianity - always had a more mystical and then more intellectual, even a social side for some. The Christian mystics worked within the confines of the church, they deferred to the power, guidance of the superiors. Sometimes mystics like Teresa of Avila or St. Francis came into conflict with the church, but they found a way to alleviate the concerns of the bishops, Spanish inquisition in the case of Teresa or the pope in the case of St. Francis. They worked within the confines of Christianity upholding Christian virtues even if there are deviations of the path they chose. Church elders understood that there is room for different path under the same umbrella so long as they were deferring to the worldly authority of the church - and this principle worked quite well for over 2000 years - even if Christianity took centuries to coalesce into the current system.
Pure intellectuals will always quabble with the mystics of a religion, but usually higher mystics bend the knee to a visiting bishop and don't talk back, so conflict is at best within a path.
06-28-2019 03:45 PM
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RE: The God pill
(06-28-2019 02:50 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  
(06-28-2019 10:45 AM)Roosh Wrote:  It seems like you are picking and choose what you want and becoming your own "God" who knows best. You can do that in your own time, but this thread is not to promote self-idolatry or other "new age" interpretations of Christianity.

It's not that I want to pick and choose, it's just that the bible is a very long book with many authors, so many interpretations, and there are so many disagreements about what things mean and refer to. It's a minefield and I don't want to get involved with all that. If I could discern some simple truth that could easily be understood, I'd go with that, but here we are 2000 years on and everyone still disagrees, and sometimes I don't know what to think.

The only thing I can say with certainty is that there a God right under my nose and He has all the answers. I may as well talk to Him. He's the only one I can trust, and I believe that if I talk to Him He will talk back and give me the real truth without me having to select what I think is true. Wanting to talk to God is as far from self-idolatry as you could get.

I was exaggerating when I said ignore the bible (I was feeling exasperated in that moment, after a lot of reading of people's interpretations), all I meant was that I'd rather keep some distance from the words of people and their differing opinions. No disrespect to anyone who wants to get stuck into all that, and there's value in people's commentary, but it's not for me. It's too confusing.

Reading your past posts, you seem to be doing two things: (1) you are overwhelming yourself with too many complex doctrines when you should first ground yourself in the basics and (2) you seem to be looking for a way to continue sinning without experiencing repercussions. I suggest the following:

1) Do not make things overly complex. The Gospel of Christ is incredibly simple:

Quote:For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16 (KJV)

Accept Jesus Christ into your heart as your Lord and your Savior. Repent of your past sins and recognize that sin weakens the bond between you and God.


2) How not to sin? Consciously follow both of these two commandments in your life and you will never need to worry about most areas of sin again.

Quote:36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Matthew 22:36-40


3) Set up your life to prevent backsliding by studying scripture and attending a bible-based church for fellowship with other believers as a bulwarks against sin. I suggest joining a weekly bible study for beginners. As I stated in an earlier post, guarding against sin is really a holistic endeavor with many components. Reading scripture, prayer, and fellowship with other Christians will keep you grounded against the temptations of the world.


4) As a new believer, worry about the rest later and do not allow it to overwhelm you. Like anything else in life, becoming a mature Christian takes time and patience.
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06-28-2019 04:04 PM
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RE: The God pill
(06-28-2019 02:50 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  It's not that I want to pick and choose, it's just that the bible is a very long book with many authors, so many interpretations, and there are so many disagreements about what things mean and refer to. It's a minefield and I don't want to get involved with all that. If I could discern some simple truth that could easily be understood, I'd go with that, but here we are 2000 years on and everyone still disagrees, and sometimes I don't know what to think.

The only thing I can say with certainty is that there a God right under my nose and He has all the answers. I may as well talk to Him. He's the only one I can trust, and I believe that if I talk to Him He will talk back and give me the real truth without me having to select what I think is true. Wanting to talk to God is as far from self-idolatry as you could get.

I was exaggerating when I said ignore the bible (I was feeling exasperated in that moment, after a lot of reading of people's interpretations), all I meant was that I'd rather keep some distance from the words of people and their differing opinions. No disrespect to anyone who wants to get stuck into all that, and there's value in people's commentary, but it's not for me. It's too confusing.

I would suggest not being in a hurry to know it all right now. Sometimes we need to think about things for some time before we start to get a grasp. You may or may not believe in all the teachings you read, but this isn't something that you will have to figure out right now. I know some of my beliefs took time for me to accept.
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RE: The God pill
This is not directed specifically at Vlad P but still relevant.

A common trick an Atheist will use when debating with a Christian is "Lets put aside The Bible and just think about the evidence".
That is as absurd as the Christian saying "Just put aside your reasoning and think about the evidence".

The foundation for Christianity is The Bible and it's what we use to validate our reasoning about anything. Putting it aside is not an option under any circumstances. At this point the Atheist looks at you like you're an idiot and then proceeds to validate their reasoning with their reasoning.

Does that mean God can't work with flawed apologetics? Not at all.

1 Corinthians 2:11-14
For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
06-28-2019 10:10 PM
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RE: The God pill
(06-28-2019 10:10 PM)Sooth Wrote:  A common trick an Atheist will use when debating with a Christian is "Lets put aside The Bible and just think about the evidence".
That is as absurd as the Christian saying "Just put aside your reasoning and think about the evidence".

That's interesting; my experience in talking with atheists has been the exact opposite. They usually want to talk about nothing but the Bible, since they imagine their knowledge of conflicting genealogies or no-longer-fashionable rules of morality will suddenly cause us to see the light and join them in unbelief.

In general, I see little point in debate. I can tell someone the truth, but if they want to argue about it then my being right won't help them. But I meet very few people who want to aggressively dismantle my religious views; and when I do there's about a 90% chance they're a Protestant rather than a nonbeliever.

There are a few people, usually very intelligent types, who enjoy and learn from civilized debate and these people I will happily argue with. But they're a rare breed.

Most of the nonbelievers I meet are either politely curious or politely uninterested.
06-29-2019 10:50 AM
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RE: The God pill
Interesting thought for the day.

As punishment for the arrogance of man thinking he could reach heaven by building the tower of Babel, God cursed man to speak many tongues and therefore his project would be disordered and fail.

Now the globalists deliberately gather people of many tongues in the same places in defiance of God's punishment, believing they can "make it work anyway".

If you have any doubt that this is a direct and deliberate affront to God then behold:

[Image: screen-shot-2016-12-28-at-3-04-21-pm1.png?w=640]

[Image: europe-many-tongues-one-voice-parliament...abylon.jpg]

That second picture is apparently a legitimate product of the UN propaganda department.

If I'm not mistaken the leader of the project (originally), Nimrod, was known as the first stone mason and the Freemasons supposedly built their order around finishing what he started.

Crazy stuff.

The public will judge a man by what he lifts, but those close to him will judge him by what he carries.
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06-29-2019 11:07 AM
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RE: The God pill
(06-29-2019 11:07 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Interesting thought for the day.

As punishment for the arrogance of man thinking he could reach heaven by building the tower of Babel, God cursed man to speak many tongues and therefore his project would be disordered and fail.

Now the globalists deliberately gather people of many tongues in the same places in defiance of God's punishment, believing they can "make it work anyway".

If you have any doubt that this is a direct and deliberate affront to God then behold:

[Image: screen-shot-2016-12-28-at-3-04-21-pm1.png?w=640]

[Image: europe-many-tongues-one-voice-parliament...abylon.jpg]

That second picture is apparently a legitimate product of the UN propaganda department.

If I'm not mistaken the leader of the project (originally), Nimrod, was known as the first stone mason and the Freemasons supposedly built their order around finishing what he started.

Crazy stuff.

This fits in line with the teenager rebelling against parents/church/order/God but instead of growing out of this phase he just keeps doubling down on the rebellious part and now seeks to make everyone a rebel. It seems the path to this destruction starts with reject --> rebel --> radical --> --regression.

I thought that God had biodiversity in mind when he created humans because I find it hard to believe that Norsemen and Pygmies serve the same purpose. True biodiversity mind you, nothing of the human agenda-driven variant that came about in the last 50 years.
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If you consider and perhaps accept that God didn't make all humans equal nor make all human to be saved then thoughts re: cannibal pygmies become more ordered.

I've also been giving thought to the NPC meme and its origins in someone suggesting that a limited number of souls exist, and that not everyone even has one. Perhaps not in any meaningful sense, anyway. Like cows have souls in the same way lite beer has alcohol but sure isn't vodka.

Again, people will shout "unfair" but when you realise and accept that "fair" is modern made-up nonsense and doesn't exist in nature then you can simply focus on being grateful that you have a soul worthy of being saved.

The public will judge a man by what he lifts, but those close to him will judge him by what he carries.
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(06-29-2019 10:27 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  If you consider and perhaps accept that God didn't make all humans equal nor make all human to be saved then thoughts re: cannibal pygmies become more ordered.

I've also been giving thought to the NPC meme and its origins in someone suggesting that a limited number of souls exist, and that not everyone even has one. Perhaps not in any meaningful sense, anyway. Like cows have souls in the same way lite beer has alcohol but sure isn't vodka.

Again, people will shout "unfair" but when you realise and accept that "fair" is modern made-up nonsense and doesn't exist in nature then you can simply focus on being grateful that you have a soul worthy of being saved.

I also ponder the existence of a limited number of souls. Though it does remind me of how jews believe they are born with extra layers to the onion of their soul than goyim are, just because they're jewish.

I know that anyone who follows trends, at least modern trends, in terms of fashion-slavery, accessory-slavery, consumerist-slavery, seems to not have one. There are a lot of souls who also seem to be a part of the sinking ship party, they refuse to align themselves with good externally though they believe they do internally (example public figures, cops, agents, who may not be luciferian even if their bosses are pedophiles).

Would a true sign of someone who has a soul be one who is awake? Are there no sleeping souls out there? How would we know if we even have a soul, despite our profession of love and devotion to God and Jesus. This could be a psychospiritual wormhole if not careful in directing this topic, but I want to understand more about it.
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Really interesting article..Roosh is far from alone is what he has experienced while under the influence of a psychedelics.

https://elemental.medium.com/the-link-be...090d8a56b1

[i][i]The resulting study, published in April in the journal PLOS One, looked at both drug-induced and non-drug induced encounters — 3,476 people surveyed reported having a mystical experience while under the influence of LSD, psilocybin, ayahuasca, or DMT, and another 809 people reported such encounters unprompted by psychedelics, though the study did not specify what may have been the trigger in these cases. The researchers recruited the participants through internet ads, private email invitations, and social media.

In both groups, the researchers found that a majority of respondents cited lasting positive changes in their psychological health following their experience — such as life satisfaction and increased purpose and meaning — sometimes even decades later.

What’s more, over two-thirds of the people in the psychedelics group who said they were atheists before their trip-induced encounter with God no longer identified that way afterward. Specifically, 21% of psychedelics users called themselves non-believers before and just 8% identified as such after.

On the whole, over two-thirds of the people in the study reported that their encounters involved communication with some entity having the attributes of consciousness, benevolence, intelligence, sacredness, or eternal existence. In fact, about 70% said that, although this mystical entity existed in another dimension or reality, they believed it continued to exist after the encounter, which could help explain their newfound spiritual identities as well as the lasting psychological benefits.



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RE: The God pill
Everyone is soul.

The difference to someone who is an NPC is that most of his behavior and opinions are conditioned with little individual thought left. Mind you - there is still a real person left, but the negative just consumes that person.

It's akin to the vegans you see for whom the ideology become a full-on religion. Everywhere they go, they see meat-eaters who they view as killers, and when they smell meat, then it's burning flesh, when they see milk - it's theft from baby cows and eggs are prison-products. So they are filled with an eternal seething rage and like the Vegan youtuber Vegan Gains - when they see a kid, then they want to smash it. His channel is fully monetized and up and running after saying that he hates human babies so much that he would kill them all.

Even he is Soul - it's just that the emotions and the mind has run off and does it's thing while Soul looks at it behind 100 layers going along for the ride unable to control the mind. The human mind and emotions are comparable to the body - you need exercise to control it. Meditation, prayer, contemplation - those are activities that help you control it. Reading sometimes also helps, but it depends on the content you read and the range.

Beyond it all is concsciousness and we are all at different stages of our life as humans. Still - even the Spanish Inquisition saw that Teresa of Avila was a saint despite her saying that reincarnation is real. Why? Because higher saints are touched by the divine and if you are not completely lost to the darkness, then you will see it.

Khalil Gibran encompasses this mystic mindset:

Quote:You ask me how I became a madman. It happened thus: One day, long before many gods were born, I woke from a deep sleep and found all my masks were stolen—the seven masks I have fashioned and worn in seven lives—I ran maskless through the crowded streets shouting, “Thieves, thieves, the cursed thieves.”

Men and women laughed at me and some ran to their houses in fear of me.

And when I reached the market place, a youth standing on a house-top cried, “He is a madman.” I looked up to behold him; the sun kissed my own naked face for the first time. For the first time the sun kissed my own naked face and my soul was inflamed with love for the sun, and I wanted my masks no more. And as if in a trance I cried, “Blessed, blessed are the thieves who stole my masks.”

Thus I became a madman.

And I have found both freedom and safety in my madness; the freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, for those who understand us enslave something in us.

But let me not be too proud of my safety. Even a thief in a jail is safe from another thief.

The sun and sunlight is God and Spirit. When you pull away the mental and emotional sheaths, then you suddenly see the real divine power and love. You become aware of what is worldly programming and what comes from above.
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(06-30-2019 04:45 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  The sun and sunlight is God and Spirit. When you pull away the mental and emotional sheaths, then you suddenly see the real divine power and love. You become aware of what is worldly programming and what comes from above.

I would also add ego plays a very big part in how we behave (in a bad way).
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I suppose it would be pertinent to put forth the Abrahamic spiritual conceptions of the Soul.

Yes, it is layered, LIGHT cloaked in Light cloaked in light. Each of these levels is as potent, as divine, as the next. All are chaotic - it is only when they are properly nestled together through discipline and sacrifice does order arise. They exist in all things, yet their ordering is rarely right. It is as how the starlight is cloaked by the streetlight.

There is Nefesh - the densest light, the body, the gut feeling. This would be the Chinese Lower Dan Tien, or the psychoanalyst’s ID. The root, sacral, and solar plexus chakra system.

There is Ruach - liquid light, the emotional capacity, the heartstrings. Here is the Middle Dan Tien, or the Ego. The heart and throat chakra system.

There is Neshamah - airy light, Logos, knowledge, the brain. This is the Upper Dan Tien, or the Super Ego. The third eye chakra, or Tian Men.

Above these are Haya and Yechida. Few have ever refined their light to the level of Haya. One, at least, has reached Yechida. Who can speak to these?

For much of humanity, our species has been trapped within the circling of Ruach-Nefesh, where in one has cloaked the other again and again. This is the doldrum of the day to day, the drive to feed desire, the wobbly wheel.

However, as more and more people are programmed by their specific social media networks, it seems as if their grasp on Ruach begins to slip. Or perhaps Ruach’s Light sets on them...

Emotional intelligence seems to be becoming artificially created through in-grouping, echo-chambers, unpersoning, buzzwords, corporate virtue-signalling, weaponized advertisement, and countless other modern constructions. Most people - stripped of their role in a cohesive society - fall prey to memes and narratives, their sense of self becoming externally prescribed, willingly adopted, regardless of what side of the line they’re on.

Honestly, everyone has a little NPC in them, it turns on here or there. It may simply be the result of how we, as a species, organize into heirarchical structures.

This may serve to explain the NPC phenomenon in metaphorical language, through spiritual technologies - that the animal body has become so desensitized to itself (due to horrible diets, metabolic toxic overload, emotional trauma, psychoactive medication, drugs, addiction, pollution, Holy-Weird predictive programming, peer pressure, etc.) that Nefesh becomes blind to its own Ruach.

To dwell no longer on the lost and damned...

What would then be the mechanism of properly laying the light? In circular fashion, Yechida must feed Haya must feed Neshamah must feed Ruach must feed Nefesh must feed Yechida till tire. As above, so below; as below, so above. Just a hunch. Or apostasy.

Of Nefesh, it seems that denial, discipline, ascetic abandonment, senuous fulfillment, devoted living, etc. are all methods to feed the fire. I imagine, as each body is different on the atomic level (and below), each lamp light would need a certain, specific fuel. Perhaps many fuels, in certain, specific patterns. Think of Guatama, his life of greatness to extravagance to discipline to denial to Death. Without his Disney childhood - replete with pet elaphants and monkey butlers - he would never have sought to embrace asceticism.

For Ruach, it is that which connects you, emotionally, to the Divine. To dwell within GOD in Awe. This is the shivering sensation of seeing some tremendous natural phenomena: the beams of sunlight dappling over an autumn forest layed lazily atop lounging mountainsides; the fury of a thunderstorm; tidal waves. A similar sensation arises during the depths of prayer, deep meditative trance, or any coherently contrived transcendental experience.

Neshamah is Logos, as far as I can tell. It is the begining of Knowledge, Understanding, Wisdom and their evolution. When fullness is reached here, where one becomes the other, I imagine Haya is attained.

I cannot speak to Yechida.
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I listened to this video, uploaded today:





Notes for people who want to read/video gets taken down, etc.:

On immigration according to the Catechism:

4 Precepts:

1. An individual possess a natural right to migrate from his home to a more prosperous country. This is not unconditional, it is not absolute.

2. State has an obligation to welcome foreigners when their country of origin does not provide them with sufficient security or the adequate means to provide for themselves/their families. This obligation to receive on the part of the state does not require than they accept every immigrant or have an open door policy.

3. State has duty, obligation to protect national security and defend its citizens - must regulate immigration.

4. Immigrants are obliged to respect the laws and customs of a host country.

Must build legislation that respects individuals and states.

Are border walls Christian?

God’s Country is Heaven.

Revelation 21: Saint John's Vision of Heaven: Heavenly Jerusalem with very high walls and gates.

Gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life. Those that find it are few. The way is easy, and gate is wide that leads to destruction, and those that find it are many (Matthew 7)

There are strict immigration laws on getting to heaven.

King Solomon made walls around his city and the Vatican City state also has massive, high, formidable walls, making it hard to get in.

Bible speaks in glowing terms about border walls.

Lord compares safety of a wall to his protection of his grace of the enemies of the soul.

When walls are removed: all who pass along the way pluck the fruit, and feed on it. Walls provide security.

But great injury occurs when things are divided that aren’t meant to be separated.

Walls separated Catholics from spiritual, moral, intellectual, liturgical, and cultural heritage. Hersey of modernism.

Modernism attempts to naturalize the supernatural. Modernist say the Lord did not walk on water, nor multiply bread and fish.

Modernist's say He, “didn’t make a miracle” but taught people to share, and thus behaviour was changed.

Modernism brings down divine to earthly level - Makes people suspcious of the bible, eroding belief, making Jesus just a teacher, not Lord and God.

Our moral teachings are being eroded due to modernism: commandments, precepts of church, teaching of saints, virtuous living, the path to heaven.

There are objective truth, laws, divine laws human laws, natural laws that apply to all people of all times. Immutable truths.

"Do good, avoid evil, do not murder, and so on. Universal truth".

Modernist has problem with universal truth. Truth to them is subjective: “depending on the time and person” They ask, “What is truth?”

Modernism builds a wall between people and truth, people and gospel, people and Christ. No truth therefore no sin, so “Anything goes”.

To call a sin a sin is “judgmental” to a modernist - they fail to recognize truth.

Today’s priests are somewhat of a shame compared to those that came before us: more worried about offending humans than God.

Modernism: takes away truth, thus takes away sin, thus takes away urgency. In other words, no more love.

Mass was a centrality to Catholic lives, Catholics in the past never missed. They always attended for sanctification, the holiest of prayers, and the beauty.

No secular, worldly, pages influences were allowed. People would make personal sacrifices just to beautify church parishes.

The sacred Latin language was used in praise of the thrice holy God rather than crude “street” language.

“Teachings of Vatican 2 onward are the only relevant and good things taught in Church" - this is a lie coming from Satan.

Pope Benedict the 16th condemned this way of teaching as, “hermeneutic of rupture” It sets up a wall dividing us from the past 99% of Catholic faith.

"Wall of Modernism" is more concerning than a border wall, for it separates Catholics from Christ.

Problems are not teachings, but personal philosophy and theology adopted by priests, clergy, and the people who teach.

They naturalized the bible, deformed the Holy Mass, abused the sacraments, rationalized sin, and say there is no truth.

Modernism is spiritual totalitarianism. It harms the soul worse than the injuries caused by communism by removing patrimony and heritage.

Do you love the faith, believe in it, how much do you love, how much do you believe?

A modernist only believes 1%, rejecting 99% of the faith.

Do not permit yourself to be walled off from Christ.

Everyone should have free access to their Lord.

"Let the children come to be and do not prevent them"
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Just found out that Hotwheels, the guy who created 8chan became a Christian about 2 years back. Anyone know of any other prominent internet figures that has gone through the same changes in the past few years?

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RE: The God pill
I sympathize with hotwheels. I find myself feeling, saying, thinking these awful hateful things constantly. I didn't like who I was becoming. I concluded that these were spiritual problems and started looking for a spiritual solution. I get the feeling that a lot of us did this at about the same time. I agree with earlier posts in the thread, I think there is some widespread spiritual event happening, either that or everyone has severely underestimated the influence of Roosh.

I came across that 'wretched man that I am' passage that everyone quotes when I was reading this morning. We probably quote it so much because we identify with it. This struggle to find the will to do what I know I ought defines at least the last regret-filled decade of my life:

Romans 7:14-8:2
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For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.
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For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do.
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If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good.
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But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
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For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
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For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
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Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
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I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.
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For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
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But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
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O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
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I thank God – through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
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There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
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For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
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RE: The God pill
(06-28-2019 03:48 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 11:05 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(06-27-2019 07:48 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  https://gracelife.co/is-grace-a-license-to-sin/

"You are no longer dominated by a sinful nature but a new righteous nature! You are completely free from sin’s influence. You are free to choose whether you serve sin (and choose it as your master) or whether you serve God (and choose Him as your master). As a Christian, sin is not an uncontrollable force that just comes upon you – you are free from that! Choosing to indulge in sin will only cause damage – God won’t punish you for it, but there are natural consequences to sin, sin will harden your heart towards God and if you give your enemy an opportunity to destroy you, he will try.

If you’re struggling with sin as a Christian, you need to know that there is no condemnation (Romans 8:1) and that God’s heart towards you doesn’t change according to your behaviour. The sin in your life is causing you damage but the penalty for that sin was paid in full on the cross (Hebrews 10:12) and God sees you as innocent (Romans 5:1)! Allowing sin in your life is like allowing a poisonous snake to live in your house – it’s stupid and dangerous. If you’re struggling with sin you need to know that God is not angry at you or condemning you (you are not under law but under grace). You can be free and walk in freedom, and it’s easier than you realize. Look to Jesus and what He has done for you. Focus on your new identity in Christ and you’ll start to see change."


Paraphrased : If you believe, but you still sin, God will ignore it, but you're just going to make life difficult for yourself (i.e. guilt, natural consequences).

Is this accurate?

Here are both sides of the debate. Obviously, be careful not to backslide.

http://www.atkinslightquest.com/Document...ostasy.htm

That's a different discussion. Interesting, but not quite to do with what I'm talking about. For what it's worth, I think you can believe, stop believing, and then believe again, no problem.

I find it amazing that 2000 years on people are still squabbling. Either Jesus had a reason for deliberately not making himself absolutely clear, or he said other stuff that isn't in the bible.

It's probably best to ignore the bible, ignore people's opinions, and just talk to God.

Christ did make himself absolutely clear for the time that he lived in. You have to remember a few things when you read the bible.

1) Christ was speaking to a people who knew the old testament very well, so if you don't know it very well. Christ won't make much sense.
2) We live in a age that is morally opposed to what it was like in Christ time. We live in a hellish world where sin is encouraged/enforced at times at least for those of us in the west anyway
3) You project your own sinful desires into what you read. Much like when the beta male does favors for a female, he projects a mental image of what he thinks she is onto her, in which he believes that he will be rewarded by her for her efforts.
4)Assuming that you don't read Hebrew and Koine Greek, You're reading a translation, there isn't always an exact word or concept for each translated word
5) When reading the bible you have to remember that words don't always mean the same things that they do today, and you have to be careful not to project a modern interpretation onto those words

This is partially the reason for many varied interpretations.

As for the original part of your post, your paraphrasing wasn't quite correct.

(06-27-2019 07:48 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  Paraphrased : If you believe, but you still sin, God will ignore it, but you're just going to make life difficult for yourself (i.e. guilt, natural consequences).

If you believe, you WILL still sin, God will ignore it, but your job is to constantly work to sin less. Jesus Christ the God/Man in the flesh is the perfect man, he is the role model for all Christians. Christians must try to emulate Christ. Otherwise they aren't Christians. They are the people mentioned in Matthew 7:20-23.

As for the second half, you've already made your life unnecessarily difficult/unpleasant due to sinful habits you already have. It doesn't matter how depraved you are when you realize which ways you have erred, what matters is that you struggle and fight to correct your ways.

There is a problem with your interpretation of the word "believe". You cannot make a choice to believe one moment, then disbelieve the next. That is disbelief. There is no belief without consistency. You cannot be loose with words in a serious text.
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RE: The God pill
Recent DNA testing has established that the Philistines originated in Southern Europe:

Quote:Now, a study of genetic material extracted from skeletons unearthed in the Israeli coastal city of Ashkelon in 2013 has found a DNA link. It connects the Philistines to populations in southern Europe during the Bronze Age.

The study, spearheaded by researchers from Germany's Max Planck Institute and Wheaton College in Illinois, was published Wednesday in the research journal Science Advances. The biblical account relates that the Philistines originally hailed from a distant isle.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/israel...id/923214/


I wonder if their migration had anything to do with the destruction of the Island of Santorini and the Minoan culture, which many people believe spawned the legend of Atlantis?

Quote: The world map might look differently had the Greek volcano Thera not erupted 3,500 years ago in what geologists believe was the single-most powerful explosive event ever witnessed.

Thera didn't just blow a massive hole into the island of Santorini – it set the entire ancient Mediterranean onto a different course, like a train that switched tracks to head off in a brand new direction.

Minoan culture, the dominant civilization in the Mediterranean at the time, crumbled as a result of the eruption, historians believe, changing the political landscape of the ancient world indefinitely. Environmental effects were felt across the globe, as far away as China and perhaps even North America and Antarctica.

https://www.livescience.com/4846-eruptio...world.html
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(06-30-2019 05:30 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 04:45 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  The sun and sunlight is God and Spirit. When you pull away the mental and emotional sheaths, then you suddenly see the real divine power and love. You become aware of what is worldly programming and what comes from above.

I would also add ego plays a very big part in how we behave (in a bad way).

Ego is this last sheath that higher saints overcome - it's a combination of all of your current-day entity and baggage, your mind, life history - one of the later realizations is to overcome it and realize that you are not the body, mind, name or even the physical person that you act out - but your inner being is beyond that.

Buddha as well as Christian saints talk about this aspect. Padre Pio mentioned it also and you can find some Franciscans who have experienced this too.
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Is there beauty in sin/sensuality/worldly things, or is that revering the human condition too much?

I hope my attempt at being verbose is pleasing.

That's not how we do things in Russia, comrade.

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Interesting article on younger women becoming nuns. It is a very long article and as I read through it and compared it to recent things I've read such as The Luckiest Man (written by a person suffering from ALS - highly recommended for perspective on life, suffering, and intimacy with God) and my bible study class on the book of James, it seems that there are recurring themes/lessons for any humans taking the God pill - unconditional love, relinquishing control, inevitable suffering, faith, and struggle.

Worth a read.

https://www.huffpost.com/highline/articl...CXX3wqliDc

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(06-30-2019 04:45 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Still - even the Spanish Inquisition saw that Teresa of Avila was a saint despite her saying that reincarnation is real.

Is there a source for this? I've never heard of it and can't find any mention of it.
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(06-29-2019 07:51 PM)MusicForThePiano Wrote:  Snip

I thought that God had biodiversity in mind when he created humans because I find it hard to believe that Norsemen and Pygmies serve the same purpose. True biodiversity mind you, nothing of the human agenda-driven variant that came about in the last 50 years.

Notice that they invert meaning of words like "diversity" but actually they mean ultimate homogeneity.

Many other examples can be applied.
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(07-04-2019 02:50 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  Is there beauty in sin/sensuality/worldly things, or is that revering the human condition too much?

I hope my attempt at being verbose is pleasing.

All the beauty in those things are what is good that is twisted towards evil ends since the fall.

Its God's intention that the healthy versions of such things be beautiful. But since it has been turned towards evil then the only beauty remaining in many cases is that which is superficial and not in substance since the fall.

Like Satan who is still able to appear as an Angel of Light.(2 Corinthians 11:14)

Only God with his recreation will ensure that all the restored creation is beautiful both in substance and subsequent superficiality far beyond anything that existed the 1st time around.
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(07-11-2019 08:43 PM)iop890 Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 04:45 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Still - even the Spanish Inquisition saw that Teresa of Avila was a saint despite her saying that reincarnation is real.

Is there a source for this? I've never heard of it and can't find any mention of it.

She mentioned it a few times, but the church downplays it since obviously the concept is viewed as heresy.

https://www.amazon.com/Teresa-Avila-Book...1590305736

But she was visited by the Inquisition because of it, though as I mentioned - even those stern clergymen saw that she was a saint. She also mentioned out-of-body travel and other things that many mystics talk about.

My guess is that the Inquisitors simply forgave her for going against the church dogma, since she also had not trouble adhering to the church hierarchy and was clearly a very believing person.
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