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(07-29-2019 05:54 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  I've been watching some of the videos about Revelation that I posted the link to above, and it says that first comes the tribulation, then comes the rapture. But the guy presenting it says that some people claim that the rapture comes first and that they are incorrect.

I know which one I'd prefer, and it's very scary to think that probably hundreds of millions of innocent people are going to be killed by meteors, earthquakes and what have you, as well as being persecuted, tortured and so on.

So, what's it going to be, tribulation for everyone then rapture, or rapture then tribulation for those left behind? If it's the former, then I'm sorry but knowing that it all ends well after all the hell on earth is not comforting.

Most end times talk is unsubstantiated fantasy.

You will notice that when many people talk about Christianity, they want to speculate about the lost gospels or the hidden years of Jesus in India, or they read about Christian mystics and end up trading spiritual experiences like baseball trading cards. Healings, speaking in tongues, getting slain in the spirit, exorcisms, how they object to St. Paul's personality.

Anything except what is in the four Gospels.

I don't blame them. Some tough lessons in basic Christianity. Much more fun to imagine travelling to the third heaven while you are asleep.

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I like to think that it's just a joke and nothing is going to happen. It's just so that people will debate it endlessly, which is a form of hell in itself. The real saved will refrain from taking part. Well played God. Didn't see that one coming.

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English Orthodox Psalm 148:


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(07-12-2019 03:52 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(07-11-2019 08:43 PM)iop890 Wrote:  
(06-30-2019 04:45 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Still - even the Spanish Inquisition saw that Teresa of Avila was a saint despite her saying that reincarnation is real.

Is there a source for this? I've never heard of it and can't find any mention of it.

She mentioned it a few times, but the church downplays it since obviously the concept is viewed as heresy.

https://www.amazon.com/Teresa-Avila-Book...1590305736

But she was visited by the Inquisition because of it, though as I mentioned - even those stern clergymen saw that she was a saint. She also mentioned out-of-body travel and other things that many mystics talk about.

My guess is that the Inquisitors simply forgave her for going against the church dogma, since she also had not trouble adhering to the church hierarchy and was clearly a very believing person.

Finished the first section of that autobiography today, no mention so far. On the contrary, lots of statements that would contradict a belief in reincarnation.

Are you sure you're not misremembering something here?
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(07-30-2019 07:33 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  I like to think that it's just a joke and nothing is going to happen. It's just so that people will debate it endlessly, which is a form of hell in itself. The real saved will refrain from taking part. Well played God. Didn't see that one coming.

I don't think it's a joke. The end times are said to be like the days of Noah. Back then humanity's cup of iniquity was filled and all that people were doing and thinking was only evil and sin constantly.

We're not quite there yet. But I do agree that it is pointless to think too much about it, since nobody knows exactly when it will happen, and if you believe then you are already saved. So you have nothing to worry about.

That being said there are some things to watch out for like global government, global religion, global language, the mark of the beast (possibly some form of global digital ID system) and very advanced technology.

I mean the last time God intervened was after the flood when a united humanity, knowing the same language, started building the tower of Babel in an attempt to reach heaven. That's sort of what we are attempting to do right now with technology. We are trying to become godlike through biotech, genetic engineering, nanotechnology, quantum computing, AI and so on.
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(07-31-2019 09:08 PM)Maailma Wrote:  We're not quite there yet. But I do agree that it is pointless to think too much about it, since nobody knows exactly when it will happen, and if you believe then you are already saved. So you have nothing to worry about.

I'm worried about pain and hardship. Why should I have to suffer? Seals, trumpets, bowls, I don't want any of it.

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All this talk about Revelation - is nobody somewhat troubled by the fact that tons of people think the apocalypse Christ said would take place in his disciples lifetimes was the Destruction of the Second Temple? I find it hard to reconcile Christ's sayings in the gospels about the Kingdom of God being within you, and something that is not seen physically, with these sturm und drang eschatological musings.


On a different note: anyone have a favorite verse from the Gospels? I think mine is John 9: 1-3
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Was going to create a thread on this, but could probably just as well be discussed here.

What are the possible biblical interpretations on wider technology and especially Deepfakes? Seems that we are moving into an age of illusion, where nothing can be trusted, people wont be able to believe their own eyes, and truth will always be open to subversion. The tech is still in its infancy, but it is convincing enough. Where this will be in 5 years time, is anyone's guess.

Honestly it scares the shit out of me. I feel that society is on a seemingly irreversible slide into a AI enthused hell-realm.

Some examples -





The Mona Lisa one is even more scary IMHO, as it shows what can be achieved with one image (and a painting at that). Presumably the same level of sophistication could be achieved with one photo. The more photos and sources of the individual, the broader the palette available to the creator.



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They should do one with Samuel Jackson in The Matrix. Ooooh that will piss him off so much. But you were in the matrix! Here, look!

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Local Christian Would Do Anything For Jesus Except Believe Things That Are Unpopular

""I would do anything for my faith," local Christian Ethan Werner told a BuzzFeed News religion reporter as they met in a Brooklyn coffee shop, "just as long as I can retain my credibility with the world.""

https://babylonbee.com/news/local-christ...-unpopular

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(08-01-2019 01:55 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Local Christian Would Do Anything For Jesus Except Believe Things That Are Unpopular

""I would do anything for my faith," local Christian Ethan Werner told a BuzzFeed News religion reporter as they met in a Brooklyn coffee shop, "just as long as I can retain my credibility with the world.""

https://babylonbee.com/news/local-christ...-unpopular

Roosh: The Babylon Bee is a satire site. The only reason that I know that is because I read a recent news article about The Babylon Bee suing Snopes, because Snopes was fact-checking their satirical stories in a purported attempt to have The Babylon Bee deplatformed from FB and other social networking sites. That is actually a decent news entry for the Clown World thread.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/...t-checking


Quote: What is The Babylon Bee?

The Babylon Bee is the world’s best satire site, totally inerrant in all its truth claims. We write satire about Christian stuff, political stuff, and everyday life.

The Babylon Bee was created ex nihilo on the eighth day of the creation week, exactly 6,000 years ago. We have been the premier news source through every major world event, from the Tower of Babel and the Exodus to the Reformation and the War of 1812. We focus on just the facts, leaving spin and bias to other news sites like CNN and Fox News.

If you would like to complain about something on our site, take it up with God.

Unlike other satire sites, everything we post is 100% verified by Snopes.com.

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Yes I know it's satire, but it inadvertently speaks a lot of truth.

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I don't know what happened to the end times thread. I was just wondering, with all the bad stuff that's going to happen in Revelation, why on earth would so many people not do the right thing? I'm sure if it happened right now, even atheists would believe. No one is that stubborn. Is it reasonable to assume that something is going to take control of a lot of people and cause them to be that way?

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(08-01-2019 06:36 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  I don't know what happened to the end times thread.

I posted the web link in post #1097. Here it is again:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73430...schatology


(08-01-2019 06:36 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  I was just wondering, with all the bad stuff that's going to happen in Revelation, why on earth would so many people not do the right thing? I'm sure if it happened right now, even atheists would believe. No one is that stubborn. Is it reasonable to assume that something is going to take control of a lot of people and cause them to be that way?

Are you joking? Just to cite another example, socialism has never worked once in the entire history of mankind. Venezuela is the current blistering example of the tragic end-result of socialism. Yet, during the last four Democratic debates, ninety percent of the Democratic candidates for President of the United States literally advocated for lunatic levels of socialism. The natural state of man is sinful, prideful, and fallen.

BTW, this very elemental concept is in the very first book of the bible, which is exactly what you should be reading (along with the Gospels) -- rather than futilely dwelling on the last book in the bible. A novice Christian trying to interpret "The Book of Revelation" is like a band of spider monkeys tinkering with a thermonuclear device. It will not end well. Why? It distracts you from what is actually important. Read post 1101 by debeguiled.
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(08-01-2019 07:44 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(08-01-2019 06:36 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  I don't know what happened to the end times thread.

I posted the web link in post #1097. Here it is again:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73430...schatology


(08-01-2019 06:36 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  I was just wondering, with all the bad stuff that's going to happen in Revelation, why on earth would so many people not do the right thing? I'm sure if it happened right now, even atheists would believe. No one is that stubborn. Is it reasonable to assume that something is going to take control of a lot of people and cause them to be that way?

Are you joking? Just to cite another example, socialism has never worked once in the entire history of mankind. Venezuela is the current blistering example of the tragic end-result of socialism. Yet, during the last four Democratic debates, ninety percent of the Democratic candidates for President of the United States literally advocated for lunatic levels of socialism. The natural state of man is sinful, prideful, and fallen.

BTW, this very elemental concept is in the very first book of the bible, which is exactly what you should be reading (along with the Gospels) -- rather than futilely dwelling on the last book in the bible. A novice Christian trying to interpret "The Book of Revelation" is like a band of spider monkeys tinkering with a thermonuclear device. It will not end well. Why? It distracts you from what is actually important. Read post 1101 by debeguiled.

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RamZ Paul isn't too religious, but he understands the importance of the church to keep a society together.

He talks about the divorce of a protestant power-church couple and how the churches have all changed from the 1950s onward "in order to go with the times". First they added pop-songs, then the message got changed from "refugees welcome" to "Jesus loves gays". Funny part is when he says what should come next: "Gay orgies for Jesus?"

And he is right - if the moral border gets moved to the left relentlessly, then gay orgies for Jesus may come in 2100 in some churches.

The issue I have with that is that Roosh mentioned with E Michael Jones that you are not supposed to pick and choose as a Christian. However the reality is that the Catholic pope and many protestant leaders are nothing more but globo-homo-propagandists. In a way the religion still adheres to your own individual interpretation if you remain for example a Catholic despite the clearly treasonous behavior of the church leaders.

Obviously that does not concern me personally since I am more of mystic bent and the path for us is more within, but I would be curious to know how you guys see it who go more the scripture and official path. In a way you have to choose yourself since you are not going to be on board with the pope or gay-pushing in some protestant churches. Orthodox churches are far less cucked, but it's not a foregone conclusion that they won't shift more to the left in the future.
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Voxday :

Self-destruction is the aim
In the midst of an epic discussion of the SJW murder of Marvel's god of thunder, John C. Wright pens an appropriately thunderous anathema:

Quote:If self destruction were not the aim, it is certainly an odd coincidence that the Left just so happens to destroy everything and create nothing.

They promote sexual perversion, they promote male athletes pretending to be female compeating in women's sports, human feces heaped on the sidewalks in San Francisco while (at the same time) claiming it is racist to use hoses to clean the sidewalks, on the grounds that hoses were used against black protesters during the Civil Rigths march.

They side with terrrorists over the Jews, jihadists over homosexuals, and with the CIA and big business when and only when those organizations are acting in a corrupt and illegal fashion, but not when they fuction as designed.

When Russia was soviet, they all rushed to defend it. Not that is it not, they denounce it as the greatest of threats.

They are against nuclear energy but also against fossil fuels.

They favor infanticide, divorse, contraception, and euthanasia, but they hate the traditional family.

The hang toilets in modern art museums, cans of human feces, and paintings of the Virgin covered in dung.

They favor Newspeak over English, or, in other words, they are against language except when it is corrupt.

They adore and laud pervert pride parades, but then scream with bugeyed hysteria at a Fourth of July parade.

They hate cops.

And the list goes on and on and on. In not a single case is their any evidence of them building up anything after destroying what came before.

There is no new form of family, no new form of modern art, no new form of gender-free English, no new form of law enforcement, no new form of government, and no new rules of courtesy and politeness. There is nothing but continued condemnation of the old forms as unjust.

Imagine a man who aims and misses the mark but hits his rich uncle through a distant bedroom window over and over and over again. The claim that his true goal is to hit the mark cannot be believed after the hundredth shaft shot unerringly into the old man's corpse.

Deliberate? Uncle Screwtape's deceit of them might be deliberate. I am not sure if the word deliberate has any meaning when dealing with minds unable and unwilling to deliberate anything.

Self-destruction is always and ever the aim of Satandom. This is because the god of this world hates humanity, and he hates all that is Good, that is Beautiful, and that is True. Whether you prefer to call his servitors the Left, SJWs, the Chantry Guild, or the Synagogue of Satan, the single most important thing to understand is that their actions are never coincidental or ironic or mistaken, they are always purposeful.

Their entire purpose, their only objective, is to destroy. That is why no amount of appeals to reason, to capitalism, or to profit motive will ever prevail. That is why creators and builders must always remain awake and on guard against their blandishments, their appeals, and their offers.


http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/08/self-...s-aim.html


Or as I put it.
Soycialists can never see the 'forest for the trees.'
Yet forests & trees matter not, if the underlying intent is a scorched earth policy...
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The bible for people who want the gist of it but don't have time to get into all the ins and outs : https://innerdrive.blob.core.windows.net...iBible.pdf

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Appropriate for this thread.

Edit. From video description, "The Good Struggle: Life In A Secluded Orthodox Monastery ":
Quote:Published on Mar 18, 2019

The Good Struggle: High up in the mountains of Lebanon, an unexpected community thrives within the confines of a Greek Orthodox Christian monastery. This beautiful short doc offers rare insight to their almost silent way of life.

“There were more before but not all could endure and prove their ability to stay in the monastery,” says a member of the Greek Orthodox Christian community. Theirs is a simple life that revolves around religious ceremony and the daily rituals of craft work and growing, picking and preparing fresh food.



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I showed up in person to vespers at a nearby oca church tonight, thanks for convincing me to do it. I met a bunch of friendly people, they were nothing but welcoming and happy to see me.

I was really nervous, I couldn’t follow when to cross and bow and stuff but nobody seemed to mind. I met another dude there who was on his second visit, he moved here recently so we’re in a similar ‘don’t know anybody’ boat but he’s more familiar with orthodoxy, so he’ll be my buddy while I figure out all the worship moves.

I’ve been reading a bunch of stuff, everyone was very excited to discuss the books, a few of them recently met one of the authors I’m a fan of and say he’s really nice. In that respect it was much like meeting you guys, we all had these books and blogs in common. I shook a bunch of hands, I forgot all their names already, i think I’ll go to the liturgy tomorrow.

The church i found was all English speaking converts, it’s surprisingly close to my house.
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(08-02-2019 09:06 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Voxday :

Self-destruction is the aim
In the midst of an epic discussion of the SJW murder of Marvel's god of thunder, John C. Wright pens an appropriately thunderous anathema:

Quote:If self destruction were not the aim, it is certainly an odd coincidence that the Left just so happens to destroy everything and create nothing.

They promote sexual perversion, they promote male athletes pretending to be female compeating in women's sports, human feces heaped on the sidewalks in San Francisco while (at the same time) claiming it is racist to use hoses to clean the sidewalks, on the grounds that hoses were used against black protesters during the Civil Rigths march.

They side with terrrorists over the Jews, jihadists over homosexuals, and with the CIA and big business when and only when those organizations are acting in a corrupt and illegal fashion, but not when they fuction as designed.

When Russia was soviet, they all rushed to defend it. Not that is it not, they denounce it as the greatest of threats.

They are against nuclear energy but also against fossil fuels.

They favor infanticide, divorse, contraception, and euthanasia, but they hate the traditional family.

The hang toilets in modern art museums, cans of human feces, and paintings of the Virgin covered in dung.

They favor Newspeak over English, or, in other words, they are against language except when it is corrupt.

They adore and laud pervert pride parades, but then scream with bugeyed hysteria at a Fourth of July parade.


They hate cops.

And the list goes on and on and on. In not a single case is their any evidence of them building up anything after destroying what came before.

There is no new form of family, no new form of modern art, no new form of gender-free English, no new form of law enforcement, no new form of government, and no new rules of courtesy and politeness. There is nothing but continued condemnation of the old forms as unjust.

Imagine a man who aims and misses the mark but hits his rich uncle through a distant bedroom window over and over and over again. The claim that his true goal is to hit the mark cannot be believed after the hundredth shaft shot unerringly into the old man's corpse.

Deliberate? Uncle Screwtape's deceit of them might be deliberate. I am not sure if the word deliberate has any meaning when dealing with minds unable and unwilling to deliberate anything.

Self-destruction is always and ever the aim of Satandom. This is because the god of this world hates humanity, and he hates all that is Good, that is Beautiful, and that is True. Whether you prefer to call his servitors the Left, SJWs, the Chantry Guild, or the Synagogue of Satan, the single most important thing to understand is that their actions are never coincidental or ironic or mistaken, they are always purposeful.

Their entire purpose, their only objective, is to destroy. That is why no amount of appeals to reason, to capitalism, or to profit motive will ever prevail. That is why creators and builders must always remain awake and on guard against their blandishments, their appeals, and their offers.


http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/08/self-...s-aim.html


Or as I put it.
Soycialists can never see the 'forest for the trees.'
Yet forests & trees matter not, if the underlying intent is a scorched earth policy...


BeAuTy iS iN tHe eYe oF tHe bEhOlder.
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(07-31-2019 09:08 PM)Maailma Wrote:  I don't think it's a joke. The end times are said to be like the days of Noah. Back then humanity's cup of iniquity was filled and all that people were doing and thinking was only evil and sin constantly.

I mean the last time God intervened was after the flood when a united humanity, knowing the same language, started building the tower of Babel in an attempt to reach heaven. That's sort of what we are attempting to do right now with technology. We are trying to become godlike through biotech, genetic engineering, nanotechnology, quantum computing, AI and so on.

It could be even worse if the Days of Noah saw the near extinction of the human race (corruption of the flesh) and Noah was one of the very few people left (perfect in his generation) who could carry on the bloodline of Adam so that the Seed of the woman would one day crush the serpent as promised to Eve.
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RE: The God pill
(08-02-2019 05:43 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  The bible for people who want the gist of it but don't have time to get into all the ins and outs : https://innerdrive.blob.core.windows.net...iBible.pdf





I agree with above posters though VP. You seem to concentrate on what matters the least on subjects about God/religion/faith.

Proverbs is the book you should be reading as the keywords are "wisdom", "instruction", and "understanding". The first verses describe the purpose of proverbs.

1 The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel;

2 To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;

3 To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity;

4 To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion.

5 A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:

6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.

Quote:1:2. Wisdom is the key word of the book and basically means “skill in living.” It is used in the Old Testament to refer to a physical skill such as tailoring (Ex. 28:3), metalwork and woodwork (Ex. 31:3–6), spinning (Ex. 35:26), engraving and designing (Ex. 35:35), and warfare (Is. 10:13). Used metaphorically, as in Proverbs, it refers to the skill to live life successfully. Instruction refers to moral discipline of one’s life, not to classroom instruction. Understanding means the capability to distinguish between true and false, good and bad, what matters most and what does not matter at all.

Nelson, Thomas. KJV Study Bible, eBook . Thomas Nelson. Kindle Edition.





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(08-01-2019 08:14 AM)Maistre Wrote:  All this talk about Revelation - is nobody somewhat troubled by the fact that tons of people think the apocalypse Christ said would take place in his disciples lifetimes was the Destruction of the Second Temple? I find it hard to reconcile Christ's sayings in the gospels about the Kingdom of God being within you, and something that is not seen physically, with these sturm und drang eschatological musings.

Nah. The apocalyptic event Jesus is talking about is not his Second Coming, but the judgment upon Judea for rejecting him and failing to repent. This was fulfilled by the Jewish War of 70 AD, when the Romans leveled Jerusalem and destroyed the temple. (Among other significant effects, this essentially made traditional Judaism, heavily dependent on the temple and priestly life, impossible to follow.)

This is somewhat easy to confuse for modern audiences because Jesus uses language of God's "coming" (in the clouds, etc.) which is metaphorical in nature, and is intended to be evocative of prophetic passages in the Old Testament (and Psalm 18) where God's judgment is phrased in similar terms.

Paul and the Apostles did think Christ's return would happen in their lifetimes, but it turned out that God's redemptive scope was wider than they anticipated.

As far as Revelation goes, its apocalyptic literature is wrapped in so many metaphors and symbolism that I think it's pointless trying to figure out correlations to current events, especially when there's a good chance it was a commentary on contemporary Roman policy, not something in the far-off future. Nevertheless, from Christ's Second Coming onward, it's describing future events.

I personally believe that we are in the Millennium/"thousand-year" period, which would be described as an Amillennial perspective on the end times.
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(08-04-2019 07:46 AM)HermeticAlly Wrote:  
(08-01-2019 08:14 AM)Maistre Wrote:  All this talk about Revelation - is nobody somewhat troubled by the fact that tons of people think the apocalypse Christ said would take place in his disciples lifetimes was the Destruction of the Second Temple? I find it hard to reconcile Christ's sayings in the gospels about the Kingdom of God being within you, and something that is not seen physically, with these sturm und drang eschatological musings.

Nah. The apocalyptic event Jesus is talking about is not his Second Coming, but the judgment upon Judea for rejecting him and failing to repent. This was fulfilled by the Jewish War of 70 AD, when the Romans leveled Jerusalem and destroyed the temple. (Among other significant effects, this essentially made traditional Judaism, heavily dependent on the temple and priestly life, impossible to follow.)

This is somewhat easy to confuse for modern audiences because Jesus uses language of God's "coming" (in the clouds, etc.) which is metaphorical in nature, and is intended to be evocative of prophetic passages in the Old Testament (and Psalm 18) where God's judgment is phrased in similar terms.

Paul and the Apostles did think Christ's return would happen in their lifetimes, but it turned out that God's redemptive scope was wider than they anticipated.

As far as Revelation goes, its apocalyptic literature is wrapped in so many metaphors and symbolism that I think it's pointless trying to figure out correlations to current events, especially when there's a good chance it was a commentary on contemporary Roman policy, not something in the far-off future. Nevertheless, from Christ's Second Coming onward, it's describing future events.
I personally believe that we are in the Millennium/"thousand-year" period, which would be described as an Amillennial perspective on the end times.

I do not find this believable until I find this fulfilled in our current time:
Quote:20No longer will a nursing infant live but a few days,

or an old man not live out his days.

For the youth will die at a hundred years,

and he who fails to reach a hundred

will be considered accursed.


21They will build houses and dwell in them;

they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.

22No longer will they build houses for others to inhabit,

nor plant for others to eat.

For as is the lifetime of a tree,

so will be the days of My people,

and My chosen ones will fully enjoy

the work of their hands.


Until people can live for centuries and even Millennia in youthful splendor its not quite so obvious that we are living in the Millennium.


https://biblehub.com/bsb/isaiah/65.htm
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