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(10-02-2019 03:17 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  We also have St. Symeon the New Theologian, who wrote in his Discourses about the "baptism of the Holy Spirit," which he Biblically concludes does not always occur at the same time as water baptism. He mentions in said Discourses that if you do not experience the Holy Spirit directly in your life, and know it with certainty, then you probably have not received the Holy Spirit yet - and more specifically, he writes that a good and true sign of having received the Spirit is the shedding of tears over your own sins.

This seems to have happened to me. I was baptized at 9 years old, but we know how my life proceeded as an adult. When I received the gift of faith through prayer, there were many tears that were different than a typical cry. It's then that my life did change.

I wonder if my church baptism helped block how far I could fall? Maybe I was still being guided? For practical purposes, the baptism helped me return to Christ much quickly, since I didn't have to search for a church, become a catechumen, etc.

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(10-01-2019 05:40 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  The new forum direction is barely fresh, and already guys are at each other’s throats. Unfortunately, this is the natural state of Christianity, dividing and conquering people since the Roman days. Pathetic.

I’m at a high warning level and Roosh is in one of his trigger-happy moods, so this will probably be my last post here. The forum changes fucking suck, there’s just no way around it. I think it’s hilarious that all this Bible-thumping is causing a major rupture, when it was supposed to be unifying. But that’s not even the biggest problem. The humor, the spontaneity, and the nonchalant nature that once accompanied this forum are all dead now. Buried under the legendary posts of guys like Mixx, G man, CMQ, Excelsior, and a bunch of others that I’m forgetting. All we have now are all these fake-ass Jesus freaks throwing down Bible verses and lecturing us about good vs. evil, morality etc. when barely a few months ago they were probably smashing Vietnamese hoes off Tinder. Give me a fucking break.

Anyway, it’s been real y’all.

Maybe a bit of an over-reaction. I have taken more of a 'watch and see' approach. I don't care to argue about denominations and have seen some other enthusiastic protestants get discouraged as the forum changes. I don't care for it, but I'm not about to get worked up about it either.

There have however, been some members that have come to, or come closer to Christ, thats who I look for in these threads, or the prayer request threads. Doctrinal or denominational arguments come off to me more like star wars nerds arguing over 'who shot first' and make people fall away or intimidate people that are at ground zero for their relationship with Christ.

That is just my opinion though, my focus on my walk with Christ lately has been bible study with my children, my wife and community service. The Holy Spirit will likely lead me back to more forum posting related to God in a different season, but I'll wait for that time to come. No need to condemn anyone in the meantime.

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(10-05-2019 07:54 AM)PainPositive Wrote:  So here is one question I've been wanting to ask: Did you see Roosh's last Vlog? Long story short he was in a monastery and he wanted to pray there with the other Orthodox people but was told by a monk he wasn't allowed to pray in the main area with the others and that he must stay in the hallway and observe through glass doors and such because he's Armenian Orthodox and not Eastern Orthodox.

If you're not in communion with the Greek Orthodox church, you are considered "non-Orthodox" and therefore are not a member of the Church, and therefore cannot enter their monastery church nave, which is symbolic of Christ's Church on Earth. You're essentially treated as a non-believer.

Needless to say but I won't be going to a Greek Orthodox church or monastery anytime soon. I have not experience this issue in Russian Orthodox, ROCOR, and Serbian Orthodox monasteries.

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You don't hold that against them, do you, Roosh? Just wondering, as I am pan-orthodox (including oriental), if you haven't noticed from my posts.

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(10-05-2019 07:54 AM)PainPositive Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 03:17 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 07:54 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 07:30 AM)Samseau Wrote:  wwtl, I have read many monks and saint's accounts, they all speak of having daily conversations and guidance from God. No idea why you believe this is prelast?

Obviously it's not my personal belief I just recited an opinion. My personal belief is that anybody can receive the Spirit baptism/gift by grace when the Father sees fit. He can be asked (Luke 11:13).

Hey wwtl, I know exactly what you're talking about and it's also something I've run up against from time to time. In the Bible, people receive the Holy Spirit in three different ways: before baptism, during baptism, and after baptism. There are many Saints and Church Fathers who speak of the "waters of regeneration," meaning baptism.

We also have St. Symeon the New Theologian, who wrote in his Discourses about the "baptism of the Holy Spirit," which he Biblically concludes does not always occur at the same time as water baptism. He mentions in said Discourses that if you do not experience the Holy Spirit directly in your life, and know it with certainty, then you probably have not received the Holy Spirit yet - and more specifically, he writes that a good and true sign of having received the Spirit is the shedding of tears over your own sins.

Given that the Nicene Creed refers to "one baptism for the remission of sins," as well as what appear to be the conflicting accounts above, I'm honestly not sure how Orthodoxy reconciles these two opinions on the topic. Personally I believe without a second of doubt that the Holy Spirit was active in my life before being baptized, but also that my baptism "sealed" me in a way I wasn't necessary sealed before. I know the modern ritual of chrismation, or anointing with oil, after baptism, is supposed to be the same thing as when the Apostles laid hands baptized Christians in order to imbue them with the Holy Spirit...but again, it seems to me like you either have the Spirit working and regenerating you or you don't, and given that I know baptized people with no indication of regeneration and unbaptized people who have repented of their sins and turned their lives around, I really don't have a clear answer on the official Orthodox view of this. I've seen conflicting ideas so perhaps there isn't one besides "God does what He wants, with whom He wants, in the way He wants, on the schedule He wants." But I could be wrong.

I like your way of thinking MW. Out of all the Orthodox posters here you have the best answers to questions about Orthodoxy. Saying "I don't know" or "I'm not sure" is a good sign that a person is humble. I've learned more about Orthodox traditions and views from you than anyone else for sure.

So here is one question I've been wanting to ask: Did you see Roosh's last Vlog? Long story short he was in a monastery and he wanted to pray there with the other Orthodox people but was told by a monk he wasn't allowed to pray in the main area with the others and that he must stay in the hallway and observe through glass doors and such because he's Armenian Orthodox and not Eastern Orthodox.

What's the reason for this? To be honest I was upset that someone who's taking his faith so seriously, rejecting evil, closed his book sales, and is on a "mission trip" spreading the good news to unbelievers, was not allowed to pray in the main area but had to stand in the hallway like he's not good enough to be there.

(Note: the ending to the story turned out good but he still wasn't able to to pray with everyone else.)

if you don't want to do a huge write-up on this and just want to link me to something that's ok.

Cheers, thanks, and God bless.

Glad that you find my posts helpful. The monastery Roosh stayed at, St. Anthony's, in Arizona, is probably the most "traditional" Greek Orthodox monastery in the country. It's an "Athonite" monastery, since its founders was a monk on Mt. Athos for a long time before coming to America, and the 18 monasteries he founded are all built on the same hyper-traditional style. All people of both genders must be covered to the wrists and ankles at all times, men and women pray on different sides of the sanctuary, there's a very specific order and method to where people sit when they eat and how they leave the room afterward, all the services are in Greek, etc. Not all Greek Orthodox Churches or monasteries would exclude an Oriental Orthodox person from praying in the sanctuary - in fact, I've never even heard of that before - and some Greek Orthodox priests will actually commune them. They probably shouldn't until the schism between the two groups is resolved, but from what I understand that's up to specific bishops as to what they let their priests do in that regard.

Athonite monasteries are very different from most, and some Orthodox people (including monastics) do not like that style of monasticism. I spent a couple days at St. Anthony's last year and, while I enjoyed the trip overall and especially enjoyed venerating the large collection of relics they had after confessing to one of the priest-monks, would say overall it is not a particularly joyful place. Some monks are not fans of joy, and won't even smile or laugh in the presence of their abbot, but there are abbots of other monasteries who wouldn't be caught dead living the way Athonites do. So there is a very wide variety of practices within Orthodoxy as a whole.

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(10-05-2019 11:31 AM)Roosh Wrote:  
(10-02-2019 03:17 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  We also have St. Symeon the New Theologian, who wrote in his Discourses about the "baptism of the Holy Spirit," which he Biblically concludes does not always occur at the same time as water baptism. He mentions in said Discourses that if you do not experience the Holy Spirit directly in your life, and know it with certainty, then you probably have not received the Holy Spirit yet - and more specifically, he writes that a good and true sign of having received the Spirit is the shedding of tears over your own sins.

This seems to have happened to me. I was baptized at 9 years old, but we know how my life proceeded as an adult. When I received the gift of faith through prayer, there were many tears that were different than a typical cry. It's then that my life did change.

I wonder if my church baptism helped block how far I could fall? Maybe I was still being guided? For practical purposes, the baptism helped me return to Christ much quickly, since I didn't have to search for a church, become a catechumen, etc.

I think you'd get a lot out of his Discourses, and I recommend the "Classics Of Western Spirituality" version you can get on Amazon. It's the kind of book that you read very slowly because each paragraph contains so much to chew over and think about.

In regard to your second paragraph, I heard a concept once that I liked a lot. I don't think it's dogma, and I don't remember who said it, but one of our Saints said that before you're baptized, the Devil lives in your heart and can subvert you from within. But after you're baptized, he can only attack you from the outside, because your heart has become sealed against his influence and he's been expelled from it. This is more or less what I've experienced in my own life, since by "external standards" I've never sinned less - yet I feel like more of a sinner now than I ever was before, since I have much more insight into the depths of my own self-centered thoughts, motivations, and intentions. I brought this up to my old priest, very early on in my journey, and he said: "The closer you get to the Light, the more of your own darkness you can see."

The gift of tears is a powerful sign of conversion, and in my experience the deeper you go into yourself, the more of them you will end up shedding. It is really a journey inward, past the point where we can even really put words to what's happening, hence the use of the word "mystery" in so many Orthodox writings.

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(10-05-2019 12:07 PM)Roosh Wrote:  If you're not in communion with the Greek Orthodox church, you are considered "non-Orthodox" and therefore are not a member of the Church, and therefore cannot enter their monastery church nave, which is symbolic of Christ's Church on Earth. You're essentially treated as a non-believer.

Needless to say but I won't be going to a Greek Orthodox church or monastery anytime soon. I have not experience this issue in Russian Orthodox, ROCOR, and Serbian Orthodox monasteries.

No offense to Roosh when I say this, but I would like to use his latest video as an example of how our ego can take over. It has happened to me way too many times which is why I noticed it happening to Roosh. Thanks to Roosh for being honest, as usual, about his experiences.

What you see is a agitation for not being allowed into the monastery take hold and build up into anger. Only until the older clergy? (not sure what to call the person) came out that Roosh was able to get out of his own head and just live in the moment. The anger quickly left at that point. Many times you end up wondering why you felt angry to begin with.

This is why I like to spend time outdoors and try not to think at all. I just look around and smell the air. Watch the animals look for food. Feel the breeze. Notice the way the leaves move and sound in the wind. I am just living in the moment and not allowing my ego to dictate what I think.

Our egos do not represent who we truly are. If anything, I found it works against my happiness. The less I listen to it the happier I become. Things don't bother me like they used to. I don't get the "How dare you treat me like this" type of responses. Well, I don't get them as frequently. haha While it will never go away, I am finding it increasingly easier to understand what is happening when it acts up and how to ignore it by concentrating my focus. Whether that focus be the trees, the animals, the smells or maybe the clouds moving across the sky. In Roosh's case, he focused on the holy man who built several monasteries across the country.
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(10-05-2019 02:00 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  The gift of tears is a powerful sign of conversion, and in my experience the deeper you go into yourself, the more of them you will end up shedding. It is really a journey inward, past the point where we can even really put words to what's happening, hence the use of the word "mystery" in so many Orthodox writings.

I already told the story about my grandfather dying and him visiting me, in a dream, when he left.

About 10 years later I also had a visit from my grandmother. I can't describe it because the feelings of love was so intense that you couldn't help but break down in tears. It felt like nothing I have ever felt before.

I knew it was real because it felt the exact same way as when my grandfather died. Way more intense. I've had no other experiences like that.

I don't know if you ever watched or listened to those near death experiences. I don't recall any time the person who almost died had wanted to come back. Many of those stories talked about a overwhelming feeling of love that made them cry. I never thought much about it up until I had that experience with my grandmother.

Once you feel God's love you are forever changed. We just need to be open for it to happen.
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(10-05-2019 01:57 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  
(10-05-2019 07:54 AM)PainPositive Wrote:  ...
So here is one question I've been wanting to ask: Did you see Roosh's last Vlog? Long story short he was in a monastery and he wanted to pray there with the other Orthodox people but was told by a monk he wasn't allowed to pray in the main area with the others and that he must stay in the hallway and observe through glass doors and such because he's Armenian Orthodox and not Eastern Orthodox.

What's the reason for this? To be honest I was upset that someone who's taking his faith so seriously, rejecting evil, closed his book sales, and is on a "mission trip" spreading the good news to unbelievers, was not allowed to pray in the main area but had to stand in the hallway like he's not good enough to be there. ...
...The monastery Roosh stayed at, St. Anthony's, in Arizona, is probably the most "traditional" Greek Orthodox monastery in the country. It's an "Athonite" monastery, since its founders was a monk on Mt. Athos for a long time before coming to America, and the 18 monasteries he founded are all built on the same hyper-traditional style. …

This specific Athonite Monastery aside, what would be the 'general rule of thumb' on Orthodox Monastaries regarding Catholics or Other non Orthodox Christians, and outsiders who come?

As long as someone does not take communion and simply comes to observe and pray, would they be welcomed? I'd be worried that if I made the trek there would be a similar bouncer monk who checks my Orthodox card, which I don't have, then I'd have to head back. I suppose calling or emailing prior to confirm would be the easy, prudent approach. Does anyone know if Catholic Monasteries have similar rules for Non Catholics?

About 3 years ago I once attended a Russian Orthodox Church with a girl on Good Friday to observe. It was a beautiful ceremony that was going all day, we stayed for an hour or two. Was I breaking the rules in entering the Church?

I watched Rooshs' latest video the other day also. I don't want to weigh in, as I wasn't there, and don't know how I would've reacted in that situation. Still, what came to my mind was that the key is to remember that being last is to be first, and it is a blessing to sit at the back, and to still push through your prayers. Still, in the moment. I could understand the frustration in that moment, not being able to hear or follow, being sectioned off, no one wants to feel 'marginalized' when they are there to worship. It was nice how things turned around for the best in the end.

For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. Rom 1:22
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I’ve never heard of anyone being banned from praying in a sanctuary before. Our parishes are full of inquirers, catechumens, curious friends, and the like. It’s usually best practice to email ahead of time but still, it strikes me as odd and off-putting to tell anyone they aren’t allowed in the sanctuary.

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(10-05-2019 05:06 PM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  I watched Rooshs' latest video the other day also. I don't want to weigh in, as I wasn't there, and don't know how I would've reacted in that situation. Still, what came to my mind was that the key is to remember that being last is to be first, and it is a blessing to sit at the back, and to still push through your prayers. Still, in the moment. I could understand the frustration in that moment, not being able to hear or follow, being sectioned off, no one wants to feel 'marginalized' when they are there to worship. It was nice how things turned around for the best in the end.

(10-05-2019 05:24 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  I’ve never heard of anyone being banned from praying in a sanctuary before. Our parishes are full of inquirers, catechumens, curious friends, and the like. It’s usually best practice to email ahead of time but still, it strikes me as odd and off-putting to tell anyone they aren’t allowed in the sanctuary.

I doubt it was directly banning them from praying in the sanctuary, more to do with having non-Orthodox in the sanctuary during a service, which is not odd, but was the norm until modern times. There have been concessions in many areas, but that's largely dependent on the one running the diocese/church/monastery (not because it's right, but because of human weakness/ignorance)

I've been a catachumen at an Old Calendarist Greek Orthodox Church for just over a year, and during each liturgy, I leave the nave and go into the narthex, not only because it's asked, but also because I respect and understand the reason and symbolism behind it. Think of the altar as the heart, the nave is the body, and the narthex, is what's outside, the world around us, where things are evaluated whether or not they're suitable to enter the body. A person who just arbitrarily eats things, without consideration to what effect they would have on the body, would be crazy. As is a person with an extreme lack of self control who just lets his body act out the first thing that comes across his mind. So would be the Church, if it just lets whomever happens to walk in the door come inside.

If you weren't aware of this before, pay attention to the deacon the next liturgy. Maybe it'll blow your mind like it did mine.
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"The doors, the doors" is not said for no reason. And those who know what I'm talking about, know what comes immediately after that is said.

So much of what was always critical to the understanding of what (and who) we are has been lost, because the times have changed. Never forget this.

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In the early days, there were strict rules about who could enter which parts of the church building and when, but these have largely been done away with. There's actually a part in the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom (the Orthodox Sunday service), where the priest says, "Let all the catechumens depart," meaning anyone who's not chrismated is supposed to leave.

I think the reasoning behind it was that the mysteries of the Church are only for those who believe, but at this point everyone's already seen the Eucharist done at a Catholic or Protestant church, so there's no point in secrecy. So these days everyone is allowed to stay during the departure of the catechumens.

There were also rules about Orthodox Christians who had been excommunicated. They'd have to start by standing outside the Church, then later standing in the lobby (that's not the right word, sue me), then in the main room for a certain number of months/years until they were readmitted into communion. We don't do that anymore either.

There are still strict rules about who can go into the altar; if you don't have a specific job in the liturgy that requires you to enter, you don't go in. But this will be obvious without anyone needing to direct you.

A Catholic monastery will almost definitely not have a problem with people of other faiths going into all the same areas as the Catholics. If you're not Catholic they're not supposed to let you take communion, but that's about it.
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That’s true, I forgot about “the doors, the doors” and “catechumens depart.” But that’s just for the second half, and my old priest never enforced it. Different traditions even in the Greek churches I guess.

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Christ the Warrior. Who descended into the belly of Death. And killed Death from within its belly. Rising from the dead as a Victorious Warrior.
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Relating to the same theme. A sermon if you are interested:


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Question:

How long do you think it will be until the MSM come after the God pill and how will they react?

So far I can only see five fake news articles mentioning the God pill, all of which are about Roosh. Including this from The Guardian, which asks,

Quote:So has Roosh now changed his ways? Will he be preaching peace, consensual love, and feminism to his angry acolytes?

And goes on to lump Roosh in with men's rights activists, which shows how much she about her subject - nothing!

So far Google has little over 100K results for the [God pill], of which this thread is the first.

My prediction is that the counter-culture, which seems to terminate with the God pill, will slowly grow, largely under the radar for the next ten years, before firmly establishing itself. Some of the main catalysts for this will be:
- the realisation that Western economic growth is at best stagnating
- we've got a lot of sad stories about at the moment, but in ten years, there will be huge numbers of people AOC's age that will be crashing through the final wall in the worst state; with increasing numbers suffering from gender dysphoria, derangement syndrones etc.; this will be a big wake up call for younger people to live a different life
- it will be the outlet of rebellion
- a reaction against heightened degeneracy and insanity pushes some to the inverse

Right now the god pill is in its infancy as a movement, but I am slowly seeing its themes and memes pop up in the red pill sphere. In particular it seems it will not be long until Paul Joseph Watson flips.

I'm also seeing some criticism of the often edgy and overzealous god pillers, TradProts etc. But I think they should be cut slack. It's often the way when you find something new. And it's a whole lot better if someone is going TradProt than taking the abortion pill.

I think it will be a few years until fake news really pick up on it and it certainly has the possibility to sink The Dems. It would be a shame if they couldn't help but annoy the Christian south.
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(10-06-2019 01:46 PM)gework Wrote:  Question:

How long do you think it will be until the MSM come after the God pill and how will they react?
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Right now the god pill is in its infancy as a movement, but I am slowly seeing its themes and memes pop up in the red pill sphere. In particular it seems it will not be long until Paul Joseph Watson flips.
I can't speak specifically on God pill, but its an interesting question, and I have thought about this with respect to Christianity in General. I believe almost all Christian men in these times must be considering 'when and who will be coming after me for my life'. We know that our religious freedoms are hanging by a thread, and we may be put in a position where 'they' will be asking you to commit heresy or face persecution.

At this point with MSM, they have subverted Christianity but have not overtly gone after Christianity in a way that your non practicing person can see. Sometimes I wonder if MSM will reign it in a little because less and less people believe their message. I am consistently surprised that MSM continues to lean more and more to the left, and to the demonic. It seems foolish to destroy your own influence, but they do have people still fully in their control.

No one knows exactly where this is going, only the trajectory we are currently on:
- We can see that there are Churches being burned down in France with little to no coverage
- We can see the pedophile Priest story being overblown by MSM to undermine Catholics. Yes there were/are pedophile priests, but the rate of occurrence was actually lower than Doctors, Teachers, and other professions. As a Catholic the real damage was the Cover up.
- We can see that criticism of Judaism and white supremacy are being associated with evil Christianity
- Objection to Abortion and Pro Life stances are being marginalized. Right now in Canada, you can't run as a member of Justin Trudeaus Liberal Party if you hold a Pro Life stance.
- Objectors to LGBT are also being marginalized, both within our culture and countries who 'persecute' for not allowing gay relations.
- The traditional family already weak is being brought to its knees.

I am not sure exactly what is next, I think if allowed to continue Transhumanism is coming as the next huge abomination. IF this continues at some point they will come after the Christians, and it will not be pretty. Ultimately, the general society still holds some diluted Christian Values, and if they were needing God in an emergency moment, many would turn to Jesus Christ. Also, many would still land on the Christian side. But in 20 years I do not think this will be the case, as Christianity becomes very diluted generationally.

When the boomers pass on, the Churches will hollow out of the 'Churchian' types who sometimes seem to practice/attend more out of tradition and culture, then out of an orthodox belief held against social presures. When you get into Gen X, Millenials, and Gen Z, there is little to no social pressure to go to Church. You do it because you believe in it. Granted, there are some who want to take their kids and pass the faith on in a simple way, but less and less.

At some point down the road, I wonder with all the 'Churchian' Christians gone, we will have only fully devoted Trad/Orthodox Christians isolated on one side and a huge mass Globalist NPCs led by New Atheists, Abortionists, Feminists, and Muslims.

Its' hard to predict the future, but when the demographics change, and the differences are widened, it is hard to imagine them not persecuting Christians. We have seen an uncanny ability of groups to make bedfellows against 'White Men', often feminists teaming up with Muslims etc. When we look at Globohomo, its hard to think in an end state they will not persecute Christians overtly. First, it would come in trying to push someone into heresy against Christianity, we can see the beginnings of this now. At this point a full persecution could be put into effect.

(10-06-2019 01:46 PM)gework Wrote:  Question:
I'm also seeing some criticism of the often edgy and overzealous god pillers, TradProts etc. But I think they should be cut slack. It's often the way when you find something new. And it's a whole lot better if someone is going TradProt than taking the abortion pill.
Trad Prots aren't so bad. From those I have met out in the country they usually live very simple lives. The women wear dresses, homeschool the kids, buy produce from local farms and stay at home. The really love the old testament and bring back some interesting rules.

I agree that slack needs to be cut at least on a political level to anyone who is a Christian sect, even if we see massive doctrinal problems. I understand that some of these people think a Roman Catholic is basically a demon. But on a political level, I believe that the only Churches that will survive and thrive in 20 will have strong messaging, with core beliefs of anti Abortion, anti LGBT, anti globalist, anti corporate.

For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. Rom 1:22
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This was something interesting I found on the Drudge Report.

Quote:Dark trends in American society call for greater ‘spiritual warfare’

AN Oregon exorcist, who claims he has had the ability to conquer satanic forces since he was four, warned last week that modern American society, with its interest in things such as drugs and ouija boards, needs to take demonic possession more seriously.

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“Archbishop” James Cloud, above, insisted that, “as the years go by, the cases are getting darker”, and lamented the fact that many churches give a “very sanitised” approach to spiritual life that ignored the Devil and his crew’s malevolent influence on the world.

Quote:Throughout the scriptures, we see examples of angels interacting on Earth — devils and Satan himself interacting on Earth.

Cloud, who belongs to a splinter Catholic group, is a former Anglican. He claims he was kicked out of the Anglican Church for his focus on “spiritual warfare”.

Now he’s an Archbishop in the Advent Catholic Church.

In an interview with Emily Burris of Portland-based KOIN 6 Cloud said:

Quote:If I hadn’t seen half the stuff I’ve seen in life, I wouldn’t believe it, either — until it actually happens.
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The full article is here...

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/thefreethi...l-warfare/

...though I have no idea what the bonafides of this website are. Neither do I know the implications of this article. I just thought it would be of interest to the readers here and I'm curious to know what they make of it.

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Nothing better than reading about a renegade catholic exorcist in a dog collar, cowboy hat, chewing a stogie on a Monday morning. Anything beyond that is a bonus.

“That sig BTW is a very asinine anti-family anti-parent quote. You live in a country where 40% of children grow up without a biological father, yet somehow “the greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents”? Sorry but this is fruity Boomer nonsense.”

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(10-07-2019 11:45 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  Nothing better than reading about a renegade catholic exorcist in a dog collar, cowboy hat, chewing a stogie on a Monday morning. Anything beyond that is a bonus.

He is a dude. I wonder if he smokes the stogey while exorcising.

Strange in the article he says 'he exorcises', my understanding is that it is always God who exorcises and the exorcist is only the tool. But this could be implied.

I tried to search out the denomination 'Advent Catholic' , but I just received results for the season of Advent. Anyone know about this group?
I thought it was dangerous to perform an exorcism unless you have the authority of the Bishop. This is what I understand from Dr. Ripperberger.
At the same time, the Catholic Church is teaching other denominations the rite of exorcism, as more Churches are seeing the need. The Catholic ritual is very specific. Almost odd that he just started doing it at age 4, but maybe he was given a gift.

Given the predominance of Demons in the new testament, it seems odd to think that 'we just don't have any these days'. My high level understanding from Macabees 1 & 2, which I have not really read is that Israel went into a very depraved state prior to the Messiah. Perhaps we are on our way in this day in age and are seeing more demons for a similar reason.

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(10-07-2019 11:45 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  Nothing better than reading about a renegade catholic exorcist in a dog collar, cowboy hat, chewing a stogie on a Monday morning. Anything beyond that is a bonus.

It's like Dog the Bounty Hunter meets religion.
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I am amazed at how many people are hating on this young man for forgiving the woman that killed his brother. It's obvious they don't understand what forgiveness is all about. While these people continue with hate in their hearts this man will be enjoying peace. I wish I was capable of this type of forgiveness when I was his age.



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His ability to forgive honestly puts mine to shame. I felt convicted pretty sharply watching the way he handled that with such grace.

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(10-07-2019 03:36 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  I am amazed at how many people are hating on this young man for forgiving the woman that killed his brother. It's obvious they don't understand what forgiveness is all about. While these people continue with hate in their hearts this man will be enjoying peace. I wish I was capable of this type of forgiveness when I was his age.




Peace-making is one of the topics in the Bible no one wants to address. Too hard. This guy is rubbing everyone's nose in their own poo. Of course they don't like it.

“That sig BTW is a very asinine anti-family anti-parent quote. You live in a country where 40% of children grow up without a biological father, yet somehow “the greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents”? Sorry but this is fruity Boomer nonsense.”

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