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Our Priest was explaining to us that many holy people and Saints have gone through 'Dry Periods' in Prayer. This could be described as a time when we are praying but are not feeling a connection, or we don't seem to be receiving answers. He described this in many ways as a test of faith and that we must continue to pray even in these periods.

I found this very interesting. Yes, if your prayer life is stagnant you might need to double down, or switch things up, but also remember that this could very well be a test of faith. Our prayers are still being heard.

With humility I can say that one time when praying I feel like I received a sign or signal. I wasn't requesting a signal but was praying directly about something then it "popped into place" almost immediately so to speak. I immediately felt a kind of fear, and guilt for having perhaps needed this sign for my faith. Hard to explain, and I suppose just about anything can be chalked up to a coincidence if we try hard enough. So we can accept these signs humbly but our Faith shouldn't be dependant on constant connection and signs, or we could go searching for false signals.

Rooshs' comments ring true also that we should be very weary of accepting signals too quickly, that they could be trickery of the devil. I would add that our minds are darkened by sin so we can not always interpret things correctly. So we have to resolve that whatever our next action is, that it will be in line with Gods plan and proper Church teaching.

For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. Rom 1:22
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(11-13-2019 07:45 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  
(11-07-2019 10:11 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
(11-07-2019 09:41 PM)Lazuli Waves Wrote:  How does one know if it is God speaking to him or a trick of Satan making him think it's God.

Satan constantly tricks believers. Orthodox Church instructs us to ignore things you think are from God and wait a while to see how His will proceeds.

I think that if God does speak. One will know its him definitely. If its mistakable in any way or contrary to scripture in any way. Its from Satan.

Many of the dreams of Jesus by Muslims for example had this feature. This unmistakability.

I don't agree. Satan has had thousands of years of experience with humans to trick them. If you think it's unmistakable then it's your pride speaking, and almost certainly you're being deceived. Look at how monks receive visions (they are very cautious) to understand this point.

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RE: The God pill
Strictly speaking, we shouldn't need to receive constant guidance from God. He's given us more than enough information to know right from wrong at this point.

But, we are weak and pathetic, so of course we need God constantly, and for that I feel ashamed needing his service all the time. The silver lining is that God feels proud when we come to him in desperation and shame, and is happy to help his pathetic subjects, because he loves the faithful no matter how great or weak they are. I believe this is what is meant by, "God is glorified in our weakness."

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Okay. What about checking it against scripture? Is that a reliable way to tell?

I cite Jesus in his wilderness testing. As well versed enough in the scriptures he was able to counter all the lies of Satan.
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All of the Church's most damaging heretics were well-versed in Scripture and, like the Devil in that passage you just cited, were able to quote it easily. St. Vincent of Lerins writes in his Commonitory (a short excellent work) that this is one of the reasons Tradition is so important, in this particular case his three qualities for discerning truth from falsehood:

1. Antiquity (has it always been believed?)
2. Universality (has it been believed everywhere?)
3. Consensus (has it been believed by most or all of the Church's recognized champions?)

So if you have some kind of insight into the Scriptures, it's wise to check it against these three concepts - which you can only do by reading the Fathers or summaries of their work on various topics. If your insight into Scripture is something nobody's ever thought of before, and which was not shared everywhere, always, by all, then it's very possible that what you're reading isn't there (and if it is there in letter, then not there in spirit).

This is not necessarily to say that everything that can ever be understood about the Scriptures has already been understood, written down, and taught. But rather that whatever you believe you've found should not violate the boundaries laid down by the Church over time:

"Remove not the ancient landmark which thy fathers have set." Proverbs 22:28

This Rule is used not just for us, but also for the sayings of the Fathers. They are not infallible, and many of them held personal opinions which were not shared by the Church as a whole, always, everywhere. For example, both St. Augustine of Hippo and St. Symeon the New Theologian had opinions which were not accepted by the rest of the Church (St. Augustine took predestination a bit too far, and St. Symeon believed that anyone could forgive the sins of others, ordained or not, as long as they'd had a profound personal experience of the Holy Spirit). Yet despite their own offbeat opinions on certain topics, they were canonized by the Church for how much they got right and the examples they set with how they lived.

St. Vincent likens the growth of the Church to the growth of a human body. You grow over time, into a new and bigger form, but according to the pattern which was always contained in the very beginning. If your fingers grow longer, that's probably fine. If you grow a new finger, it probably isn't.

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Thanks. Those are good guidelines.

But in regards to the church fathers I do believe that St Jerome and St Augustine were in error in regards to sexuality especially in wedlock. Such ideas I believe have done great damage and have encouraged both frigidity and promiscuity with each heresy enhancing the other extreme.
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Thanks. Those are good guidelines. I do not think it a mistake that the word of God is regarded as a sword in a believers arsenal. It takes skill to wield it like our LORD himself yet his familarity and understanding is what enables him to outdo the devil in this regard. The whole counsel of God enabled him to counter what the devil twists for those not truly familiar due to improper and insufficient study.






But in regards to the church fathers I do believe that St Jerome and St Augustine were in error in regards to sexuality especially in wedlock. Such ideas I believe have done great damage and have encouraged both frigidity and promiscuity with each heresy enhancing the other extreme.
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Yeah, I agree that St. Augustine wasn't really able to shake his Manichean roots when it comes to sexuality. Given his past it makes a lot of sense why he was so afraid of it once he'd converted, and that is a good example of a personal opinion that the Church did not accept. I'm not sure what St. Jerome said on that topic, any choice quotes?

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(11-13-2019 11:34 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  Yeah, I agree that St. Augustine wasn't really able to shake his Manichean roots when it comes to sexuality. Given his past it makes a lot of sense why he was so afraid of it once he'd converted, and that is a good example of a personal opinion that the Church did not accept. I'm not sure what St. Jerome said on that topic, any choice quotes?

St. Jerome in Against Jovinianus (Book I), written in AD 393:


Quote:Hence Xystus in his Sentences tells us that “He who too ardently loves his own wife is an adulterer.” It is disgraceful to love another man’s wife at all, or one’s own too much. A wise man ought to love his wife with judgment, not with passion. Let a man govern his voluptuous impulses, and not rush headlong into intercourse. There is nothing blacker than to love a wife as if she were an adulteress.

St Jerome commentary(1 Cor 7):

Quote:“It is good,” he says, “for a man not to touch a woman.” If it is good not to touch a woman, it is bad to touch one: for there is no opposite to goodness but badness. But if it be bad and the evil is pardoned, the reason for the concession is to prevent worse evil. But surely a thing which is only allowed because there may be something worse has only a slight degree of goodness.

He seems to be saying sex within marriage is evil. Albeit a lesser evil. But still evil.

1 Cor 7:2
Quote:But, because of fornications let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband. He did not say, because of fornication let each man marry a wife: otherwise by this excuse he would have thrown the reins to lust, and whenever a man’s wife died, he would have to marry another to prevent fornication, but have his own wife. Let him he says have and use his own wife, whom he had before he became a believer, and whom it would have been good not to touch, and, when once he became a follower of Christ, to know only as a sister, not as a wife unless fornication should make it excusable to touch her.

There is far more that is already written at Dalrock's blog:
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2016/12/20...-marriage/


Not Official Catholic doctrine. But still influential enough to cause a lot of damage.


The problem of making Celibacy so holy that no sexuality is ever holy. Except mechanically as a duty to bring forth offspring. Denying any good in pleasure in wedlock.
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It looks like St. Jerome was talking about being blinded by lust for one's wife, which the Church does say is the wrong way to approach sex within marriage. It's a very blurry and weird line that I've spoken with my married friends about. You're supposed to somehow be aroused and have sex with her without actually feeling lust. Not sure how that works exactly but I don't think Jerome is saying not to have sex with the woman at all. Historically, if memory serves, celibacy was considered a higher calling than marriage until St. John Chrysostom became a parish priest and then wrote against his former opinion on that topic.

I'll have a look at the Dalrock link, thanks.

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(11-13-2019 11:49 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  It looks like St. Jerome was talking about being blinded by lust for one's wife, which the Church does say is the wrong way to approach sex within marriage. It's a very blurry and weird line that I've spoken with my married friends about. You're supposed to somehow be aroused and have sex with her without actually feeling lust. Not sure how that works exactly but I don't think Jerome is saying not to have sex with the woman at all.

I'll have a look at the Dalrock link, thanks.

But then again how is sexual attraction to one's wife lust? Isn't the whole book: Song of Songs a celebration of this "lust" of the healthiness of marital eros.

It can only be lust in my opinion is if it actually interferes with one's functioning in normal life.

But on the other hand this Dalrock post shows that one's relationship with one's wife:
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2016/12/21...ting-buck/

It is not "Romantic" in any way or cold mechanical duty sex but akin to a rutting buck. Very passionate.(Proverbs 5)

I believe there is this confusion of good with evil. Of inversion. Of mistaking what is good as evil. Doing what God condemned in (Isaiah 5:20).
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One of my married friends explained that the difference between sexual attraction and lust is that lust makes you "many minded" whereas sexual attraction doesn't necessarily rock you off center spiritually. It kind of makes sense, but it also sounds like a lot more than I really want to worry about if I've already committed my entire existence to serving a spouse. I'm rolling solo for the foreseeable future.

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I updated my post.
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I see. When it starts to inch close to idolatry. Then it makes a lot of sense. The essence of "many mindedness".

And as a result he starts to worship her when it goes far enough.
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As I was looking through the Near Death Experience thread. I came across the DMT wiki. And one of the stories featured this mans account. It looked like this guy is in trouble and has a psychotic break:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.a...post580899

The DMT trip indicates that he may be trapped by demonic forces. And enslaved to unclean spirits.

Please pray for his rescue.
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(10-29-2019 06:33 PM)Roosh Wrote:  


Thoughts on the prosperity Gospel from an NFL quarterback who recently signed a $88 million dollar contract.

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Possible Exorcism over phone:




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Sounds very real.
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Prosperity is so bad that we spend our entire adult lives rebelling against the will of the Almighty by trying to become prosperous.

Even the very fortunate of us who earn tens of millions of dollars per year by throwing a sack of inflated leather to the fellow prosperous joins in the condemnation.

He should heed the command given to the Rich Young Ruler who also needed to put his money where his faith apparently was and give all he has to the poor.

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6, don't go too far. Vocations are hard to discern, but we are also to be wise and shrewd with our talents. Yes, we are all rebellious, but sometimes understanding is slow and steady, and we have to learn along the way, hopefully while teaching others with some humility time and again. Foles is such a man, it seems to me.

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Heh.
Such a humble guy... Cool

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A priest in a church in an area I visited this weekend gave a sermon where he discussed Luke 5-19

Quote:5 And while some were talking about the temple, that it was adorned with beautiful stones and votive gifts, He said, 6 “As for these things which you are looking at, the days will come in which there will not be left one stone upon another which will not be torn down.”

7 They questioned Him, saying, “Teacher, when therefore will these things happen? And what will be the [a]sign when these things are about to take place?” 8 And He said, “See to it that you are not misled; for many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not go after them. 9 When you hear of wars and disturbances, do not be terrified; for these things must take place first, but the end does not follow immediately.”

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10 Then He continued by saying to them, “Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, 11 and there will be great earthquakes, and in various places plagues and famines; and there will be terrors and great [b]signs from heaven.

12 “But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and will persecute you, delivering you to the synagogues and prisons, [c]bringing you before kings and governors for My name’s sake. 13 It will lead to [d]an opportunity for your testimony. 14 So make up your minds not to prepare beforehand to defend yourselves; 15 for I will give you [e]utterance and wisdom which none of your opponents will be able to resist or refute. 16 But you will be betrayed even by parents and brothers and relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death, 17 and you will be hated by all because of My name. 18 Yet not a hair of your head will perish. 19 By your endurance you will gain your [f]lives

That last paragraph sounded a lot like the cancel culture/silicon valley globohomos doing what they do today, even to the not overtly religious. This passage was in the monthly missal used at many American catholic churches. Could it be that there's enough clergy left with some stones to take on the cultural onslaught for what it is? A few years ago I wouldn't have given any of them this much credit, especially in the face of the current pope. But as evidenced by the discord from the recent Pan-Amazonian synod, not everyone is in agreement with the borderline heretical deviances from doctrine.

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Pride is the hardest to deal with.

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(11-17-2019 05:44 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  A priest in a church in an area I visited this weekend gave a sermon where he discussed Luke 5-19

Quote:5 And while some were talking about the temple, that it was adorned with beautiful stones and votive gifts, He said, 6 “As for these things which you are looking at, the days will come in which there will not be left one stone upon another which will not be torn down.”

7 They questioned Him, saying, “Teacher, when therefore will these things happen? And what will be the [a]sign when these things are about to take place?” 8 And He said, “See to it that you are not misled; for many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not go after them. 9 When you hear of wars and disturbances, do not be terrified; for these things must take place first, but the end does not follow immediately.”

Things to Come
10 Then He continued by saying to them, “Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, 11 and there will be great earthquakes, and in various places plagues and famines; and there will be terrors and great [b]signs from heaven.

12 “But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and will persecute you, delivering you to the synagogues and prisons, [c]bringing you before kings and governors for My name’s sake. 13 It will lead to [d]an opportunity for your testimony. 14 So make up your minds not to prepare beforehand to defend yourselves; 15 for I will give you [e]utterance and wisdom which none of your opponents will be able to resist or refute. 16 But you will be betrayed even by parents and brothers and relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death, 17 and you will be hated by all because of My name. 18 Yet not a hair of your head will perish. 19 By your endurance you will gain your [f]lives

That last paragraph sounded a lot like the cancel culture/silicon valley globohomos doing what they do today, even to the not overtly religious. This passage was in the monthly missal used at many American catholic churches. Could it be that there's enough clergy left with some stones to take on the cultural onslaught for what it is? A few years ago I wouldn't have given any of them this much credit, especially in the face of the current pope. But as evidenced by the discord from the recent Pan-Amazonian synod, not everyone is in agreement with the borderline heretical deviances from doctrine.

Given that I doubt you were in my neck of the woods it's very odd that you received the exact same message that I did that day.

Catholic? If so, coincidence? Coming down from Rome? Higher? Laugh

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Wonderous hymn of praise:


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