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(12-18-2019 04:44 PM)Sherman Wrote:  Christianity didn't seem to improve the behavior of rulers. Emperor Constantine murdered his son and his wife. And when his sons took over they continued to murder each other to get power. And many of the European Christian kings made Julius Caesar look like a nice guy. But Julius Caesar was also known for frequently forgiving his enemies. Augustus Caesar began the grain dole which makes him more sympathetic to the poor than some Republicans. The Christians did get rid of the gladiator games thanks to one monk, but chariot racing continued until the 15th century in the Byzantine Empire (Eastern Rome). Ultimately, if a ruler is a real tyrant he doesn't last long and rarely leaves a legacy. What has Attila the Hun left? Or the Mongols? Julius Caesar left an empire and gave us our calendar. His decisons still affect us today.

https://fee.org/articles/poor-relief-in-ancient-rome/

Christianity takes time to work on a society. And influences pretty much everyone who converts and shares the gospel. Also spreading more kindly values that over time influence how even rulers think and work as well as the implementation.

Now societies that are formerly Christian are the most high-trust societies in the world. Not by coincidence after centuries of influence.
12-22-2019 04:06 AM
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Constantine never read the Bible before his conversion, or studied the faith until much later in life. His sole influence was his mother, and we have no idea what knowledge she provided him. He joined the military at a young age to train with his father and would not return to serious religious study until much later in life.

It therefore makes no sense to judge what he did as Emperor as a Christian, but it does make it extremely miraculous that he had such strong faith and staked his entire career and governance on Christianity. His sudden and strong conversion can only mean that his vision from God was true, especially at a time when Christianity had been so controversial and forbidden for nearly a hundred years.

I read somewhere that only 10% of Roman society was Christian before Constantine; 30 years after his rule something like 90% of the Roman world was Christian. He literally gave birth to Christian Europe even though the man was largely ignorant of the Bible, which shows it was all God's hand doing the work along. Constantine was merely the political tool to clear the way for the birth of the Church and a standardized Christian education.

After the Roman world totally died due to it's sinful nature, the Church was literally the only institution left standing. During the "dark ages" (400-700 AD) they reformed the barbarians invading old Europe and merged them with the surviving Romans, producing the 3 major Latin languages we have today but also giving birth to our entire system of ethics, education, and law.

The "Dark Ages" is a misnomer, nothing more than atheist spin. In reality, it was the birth of something 10000000000x greater than the Roman world. The old Roman world was horrible, cruel, and incapable of progress. It had to be burned down to it's foundations so God could build upon it.

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(12-22-2019 06:21 AM)Samseau Wrote:  The "Dark Ages" is a misnomer, nothing more than atheist spin. In reality, it was the birth of something 10000000000x greater than the Roman world. The old Roman world was horrible, cruel, and incapable of progress. It had to be burned down to it's foundations so God could build upon it.

Early Christians were extremely cruel. Besides, being cruel is a human thing in general. Also saying that Roman world was "incapable of progress" is unwise to say the least.
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(12-22-2019 09:11 AM)dAversa Wrote:  
(12-22-2019 06:21 AM)Samseau Wrote:  The "Dark Ages" is a misnomer, nothing more than atheist spin. In reality, it was the birth of something 10000000000x greater than the Roman world. The old Roman world was horrible, cruel, and incapable of progress. It had to be burned down to it's foundations so God could build upon it.

Early Christians were extremely cruel. Besides, being cruel is a human thing in general. Also saying that Roman world was "incapable of progress" is unwise to say the least.

Stating that "Early Christians were extremely cruel" without providing any examples is a fine example of blue-pill thinking. Unwise to say the least.

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(12-21-2019 09:50 PM)HermeticAlly Wrote:  
(12-20-2019 02:47 PM)Sherman Wrote:  The disadvantage is that Christians were willing to kill each other over silly pedantic differences. Even Emperor Constantine was upset about this because it was ruining his one god one empire plan. Constantine as well as previous emperors were already moving towards one god with Sol Invictus. Constantine is the one who forced Christian unity. Does anyone still believe the "filioque" is a meaningful distinction to divide on? It's also interesting that Japan has fit in with the Christian western values even though they are Shinto and Christian conversions in Japan have been negligible.

There's a massive difference between Christian church leaders and political figures like Constantine who were using Christianity to further their goals. I wouldn't take much of anything emperors did as reflective of what Christians actually believed at the time.

There was no Christians "killing each other over silly pedantic differences" in the early Church, they were too busy trying to not get killed by the Roman rules pre-Constantine. Now later on, like during the Protestant reformation - that's a different story. (Though there were certainly heretics like Arius early on, trying to promote beliefs that ran contrary to the Church's orthodoxy.)

Japan is superficially similar to Western social values, but once you spend some time in the culture you see that the underlying motivation is totally different (mostly originating in peer-based fear and guilt to push social conformity.)

Thanks for this. Excellent distinction. Atheists and leftists take advantage of conflating these two to trash Christianity; they try to slip it past you. Don't let them do it. If someone tries to trash all Christians, force them to admit there is a distinction between a sincere believer and a nominal one. Their arguments don't look so good then.

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I see this with certain pagans that I have encountered. In one instance celebrating the strength of the northern european barbarians and their awesome Astaru. Whilst at the same time decrying Christian conquest and cruelty in its spread.

Some scholars decry the crude barbaric nature of Christianity in destroying art ,killing Hypatia the brilliant pagan philosopher and burning down the Library of Alexandria.
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(12-22-2019 09:57 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(12-22-2019 09:11 AM)dAversa Wrote:  
(12-22-2019 06:21 AM)Samseau Wrote:  The "Dark Ages" is a misnomer, nothing more than atheist spin. In reality, it was the birth of something 10000000000x greater than the Roman world. The old Roman world was horrible, cruel, and incapable of progress. It had to be burned down to it's foundations so God could build upon it.

Early Christians were extremely cruel. Besides, being cruel is a human thing in general. Also saying that Roman world was "incapable of progress" is unwise to say the least.

Stating that "Early Christians were extremely cruel" without providing any examples is a fine example of blue-pill thinking. Unwise to say the least.

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The only merit to his comment is that unfortunately Christendom embraced torture. However in the last few centuries we were able to throw that off.

Replacing it with proper Sleuthing.
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(12-22-2019 10:14 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  @Tail_Gunner

I see this with certain pagans that I have encountered. In one instance celebrating the strength of the northern european barbarians and their awesome Astaru. Whilst at the same time decrying Christian conquest and cruelty in its spread.

Some scholars decry the crude barbaric nature of Christianity in destroying art ,killing Hypatia the brilliant pagan philosopher and burning down the Library of Alexandria.

Yes I've always found it pretty strange how a lot of these Vikangz LARPers glorify vikings for their raiding and pillaging and think it's a testament to their masculine spirit but then when non-vikings do it it's just a sign of their inability to build a lasting civilization. At least when the Christians colonized other places they attempted to build something in place of what they conquered. You could argue it was actually an improvement in many cases too. I would have rather lived in the Greco-Roman Christian world rather than the Viking one for sure.
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Merry Christmas boys. All the best going into 2020 to everyone. We made it another year. God be with us all.




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Even in a corrupted church, the truth gets out. That last verse...soli deo gloria. Merry Christmas!



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(12-22-2019 06:21 AM)Samseau Wrote:  After the Roman world totally died due to it's sinful nature, the Church was literally the only institution left standing. During the "dark ages" (400-700 AD) they reformed the barbarians invading old Europe and merged them with the surviving Romans, producing the 3 major Latin languages we have today but also giving birth to our entire system of ethics, education, and law.

The "Dark Ages" is a misnomer, nothing more than atheist spin. In reality, it was the birth of something 10000000000x greater than the Roman world. The old Roman world was horrible, cruel, and incapable of progress. It had to be burned down to it's foundations so God could build upon it.

While I agree that the Dark Ages didn't exist, I would point out that the Eastern, Christian Roman Empire -- who considered themselves Romans and were called Romans by their contemporaries -- were alive and well during that period.

Saint Justinian restored much of Rome's original borders in the mid 500s, including the city of Rome, and the Code of Justinian formed much of the basis for European law going forward. The Byzantines underwent a golden age for several centuries after that, and also evangelized the Slavs (Rus, Bulgarians, etc.) during this same period.

Much of the Greek material that was "rediscovered" during the Renaissance was never "lost" to the Byzantines in the first place.
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Renegade of Funk (now known as Wiseman) is a practicing Catholic. Yet another figure that is at least somewhat connected with our part of the internet has taken the God pill.

https://righteousruminations.blogspot.co...igion.html

He does have a point that I think a lot of us need to keep in mind. There's been a lot of other guys that are part of or at least adjacent to the dissident right that seems to have come around to Christianity this year. Stefan Molyneux is a good example. But we need to keep asking ourselves - how much of is based on trust in Christ and how much is just merely a reaction to the people we see as our enemies (soy boys and enemies)? Do we actually believe in God and His providence or are just looking for another way to "own the libs"?

Quote:As an aside, this is why I am skeptical of right-wingers who say we need to return to Christianity to save civilizations. Faith as a means to fix society is not genuine. It is subordinating God to the worldly. What you are actually worshiping is this world - your country, society, particular political ideas, etc. Faith and God must be ends in themselves. We shouldn't become Christian to fix society; we should fix society in order to be Christians. I say this realizing that Christianity has become something of a counter-culture in western countries. It is attracting a variety of people disaffected with modern society - hipsters and traditionalists alike. This is not a bad thing however I think sincere Christians are not content to be contrarians in a subculture; they want to be the culture - they want to live in a society that reflects their values.

I bolded the hipster part because I fear we're going to attract these sort of people - people who just merely want to be contrarians and these ironic guys who see this as their next venue to use to prove how unconventional and above it all that they are. We saw a good deal of this with the Trump scene back in 2016.
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(12-26-2019 10:22 AM)Wutang Wrote:  Renegade of Funk (now known as Wiseman) is a practicing Catholic. Yet another figure that is at least somewhat connected with our part of the internet has taken the God pill.

https://righteousruminations.blogspot.co...igion.html

He does have a point that I think a lot of us need to keep in mind. There's been a lot of other guys that are part of or at least adjacent to the dissident right that seems to have come around to Christianity this year. Stefan Molyneux is a good example. But we need to keep asking ourselves - how much of is based on trust in Christ and how much is just merely a reaction to the people we see as our enemies (soy boys and enemies)? Do we actually believe in God and His providence or are just looking for another way to "own the libs"?

Quote:As an aside, this is why I am skeptical of right-wingers who say we need to return to Christianity to save civilizations. Faith as a means to fix society is not genuine. It is subordinating God to the worldly. What you are actually worshiping is this world - your country, society, particular political ideas, etc. Faith and God must be ends in themselves. We shouldn't become Christian to fix society; we should fix society in order to be Christians. I say this realizing that Christianity has become something of a counter-culture in western countries. It is attracting a variety of people disaffected with modern society - hipsters and traditionalists alike. This is not a bad thing however I think sincere Christians are not content to be contrarians in a subculture; they want to be the culture - they want to live in a society that reflects their values.
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I find this incredibly true. As I returned home and the topic of Christianity comes up, it seems like many people view it through a lens of overall societal health, family health and not directly to Salvation and desire to Worship God. I think that this is the difficult part for most people, because they will have to change their lives to actually be Christians. Its easy to be 'pro Christian' from a political perspective, but it ultimately doesn't count towards much with respect to your own salvation or what God wants.

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I didn't want to be the first one to point it out but it's good.

Noticeable but not ridiculous.

God demands of Man responsibility. God demands of Woman vulnerability. These are their curse and blessing alike. Libertianism is to Man as Feminism is to Woman.
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Memes and gifs that will instantly trigger satan (Chill Roosh. It's a complimentary metaphor about Jesus):

0:08 to 0:23




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Real Pastor In Virtual Reality Baptizes An Anime Girl



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(12-29-2019 12:04 PM)Lazuli Waves Wrote:  Real Pastor In Virtual Reality Baptizes An Anime Girl




I don't think this qualifies as a baptism. Didn't watch the video other than a quick scroll through.

Water doesn't "symbolize", as the internet preacher says. Water is the matter of the Sacrament. It is necessary for baptism. I don't think virtual water counts.

Quote:The Catechism of the Council of Trent states it this way: "Every Sacrament consists of two things, matter, which is called the element, and form, which is commonly called the word."

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Thought it was just a funny meme video but it promotes the God Pill towards the end



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(06-04-2019 10:03 AM)El Padrone Wrote:  
(06-01-2019 02:30 PM)slimboyfat Wrote:  Two things I want to share on this thread:

1) Norm Macdonald's funny but poignant analysis that people have a deep denial of death, and how we're in a delusion about life, in a "fools paradise" and the interviewers prove this point unbeknownst to them (starts at 0:40, watch 2 and 3, pretty deep and brilliant reflections on life):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p6pbXdmbhc
It's just pathetic how the interviewers on the show sound so disappointed that he's not buried deep in the delusion as they are, and insist he's either doing a bit or deeply depressed, but they are completely off. Roosh seems to have gotten to this level of understanding. We all get a sense of this if we reach adult maturity, and some people wake up, while others want to cling to the delusion and, as Norm says, act like children their whole lives. When you call it out, those who cling to it get very defensive and pissed off (just as the interviewers did in this clip).

2) Some Quran verses about the reality of life, that our human Life in this World as an illusion, idle, and cheap in comparison to the hereafter which Muslims should sacrifice their worldly life for.

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57:20. Know that the life of this world is only play, and idle talk, and pageantry, and boasting among you, and rivalry in respect of wealth and children; as the likeness of vegetation after rain, whereof the growth is pleasing to the husbandman, but afterward it drieth up and thou seest it turning yellow then it becometh straw. And in the Hereafter there is grievous punishment [infidels and sinners], and (also) forgiveness [for Muslims] from Allah and His good pleasure, whereas the life of the world is but matter of illusion.

9:38. O ye [Muslims] who believe! What aileth you [Muslims] that when it is said unto you [Muslims]: Go forth in the way of Allah, ye [Muslims] are bowed down to the ground with heaviness. [Allah Questioned] Take ye [Muslims] pleasure in the life of the world rather than in the Hereafter? The comfort of the life of the world is but little in the Hereafter.

47:36. The life of the world is but a sport and a pastime. And if ye [Muslims] believe and ward off (evil), He will give you [Muslims] your wages [on J-DAY], and will not ask of you your [Muslims'] worldly wealth.

6:32. Naught is the life of the world save a pastime and a sport. Better far is the abode of the Hereafter for those [Muslims] who keep their duty (to Allah). Have ye then no sense?

35:5. O mankind! Lo! the promise of Allah is true. So let not the life of the world beguile you, and let not the (avowed) beguiler [infidels] beguile you with regard to Allah

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Bottom line, life is DESIGNED for us to get disappointed and to break us so that we can wise up, and realize that it's just a test, and we're spiritual beings simply having a human experience.


I assume you're muslim, right? Why is the Quran, written in KJV style English, when it was translated in the modern English period? Does archaic language equal divinity?

Eh, just the translation I copy-pasted. The standard saheeh international translation doesn't have this style, and uses standard English. Can't fault the message just because you didn't like the style used by one particular translator.
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(12-18-2019 04:44 PM)Sherman Wrote:  Christianity didn't seem to improve the behavior of rulers. Emperor Constantine murdered his son and his wife. And when his sons took over they continued to murder each other to get power. And many of the European Christian kings made Julius Caesar look like a nice guy. But Julius Caesar was also known for frequently forgiving his enemies. Augustus Caesar began the grain dole which makes him more sympathetic to the poor than some Republicans. The Christians did get rid of the gladiator games thanks to one monk, but chariot racing continued until the 15th century in the Byzantine Empire (Eastern Rome). Ultimately, if a ruler is a real tyrant he doesn't last long and rarely leaves a legacy. What has Attila the Hun left? Or the Mongols? Julius Caesar left an empire and gave us our calendar. His decisons still affect us today.

https://fee.org/articles/poor-relief-in-ancient-rome/

Christianity takes time to work on a society. And influences pretty much everyone who converts and shares the gospel. Also spreading more kindly values that over time influence how even rulers think and work as well as the implementation.

Now societies that are formerly Christian are the most high-trust societies in the world. Not by coincidence after centuries of influence.

I read that Augustus (Octavian) the successor to Caesar, believed in a prime mover and thought the Roman pantheon was ridiculous, he is also noted for his genuine acts. There is such a thing as a virtuous pagan, Dante wrote about them immensely. It is also believed by many Italians throughout history that Gaius Julius Caesar was a man divinely appointed to rule over a unified Italy, which is why his murderers are often viewed with controversy and disdain. Though Caesar himself was a pagan, he certainly had more of a Christian spirit when it came to morality than many of the later rulers after the widespread of Christendom. I think this is in part because these later rulers (mostly after the split of the western and eastern churches) had been corrupted by evil in one way or another, or their doctrines of their version of Christianity had been (((infiltrated))) and corrupted. England is the worst perhaps, because it had been so pure beforehand, but later after the (((reformation))) and the same goes for the Spanish as well, it was posted either in this thread or in another about what the head Rabbi told his son to tell the other jews to do in Spain when faced with the conversion ultimatum. Infiltrate and destroy from within. No true teaching of Christ can be infiltrated and usurped.

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