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(03-31-2019 05:41 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  
Quote:I would only add to your statement that while most of the "faux-righteous" are just that, there exists some folks who have honestly followed God's path from very young and have never strayed far. I see now how important it is for those folks to understand and admit to themselves their own broken nature. To admit that although some have strayed far... all steps away from the path require forgiveness.

Genuine Righteousness always walks hand in hand with humility, so it wouldn't be a problem for them to admit their faults. It's a way for us to detect, in our limited fashion, who is genuine and who is in Simulation. If you discuss anything potentially-grandiose graces with a Religious, they'll always feel you out in terms of humility versus spiritual pride, and it's why the Religious take me seriously when I ask them questions about the Interior Life, because I understand I've done nothing to earn my graces, and they're all a gift, freely-given, available to all. I'm not 'special', I just was so resolute and pathetic in my sin that he was drawn to me out of Infinite Mercy.

Allow me to expand upon this, because simulation is something I've been confronting in myself lately.

Desiring to commit evil - but resisting for the sake of your righteousness - is a form of pride. You're resisting one of the lesser sins - lust or wrath - for the sake of the deadliest sin.

This is a trope we often see in Hollywood - though they come to precisely the wrong moral. The uptight, Christian man is haughty and judgmental of all the fornicators around him - until eventually he gives in to his lust, and realizes that 'letting it all hang out' was the correct path all along. Either that, or the tension of holding onto it pushes him to crack in an extreme way - and next thing you know, he's busted in a crack and cross-dresser scandal.

Let's say there's somebody you're feeling wrath towards. Trying not to act on it is good - but bottling it up without dealing with it will either lead to pride ("I'm just like Christ, taking all these wounds and not retaliating!") or an eventual explosion. What you need to do is ask why you are feeling wrath? Why is your anger so much larger than what justice would dictate? Usually this anger stems from a wound you received in childhood; something that harmed you as a child has created an unnatural desire for you as an adult.

Often the links between the wound and the desire aren't immediately obvious. For instance, maybe your parents always spent the Christmas money on booze, and you were always disappointed - promised one thing, given another. So as an adult you develop a fetish for collections - you develop a need to 'collect 'em all', be it stamps, baseball cards, or action figures. Then, somebody at a party accidentally spills a drink, destroying one of your items, and you react with fury - you're not actually furious at the person who damaged your item, you're furious at your parents for failing you when you were a child.

I'm lucky enough to have a Priest with the gift of Discernment. He sees through things. When I go to confession, he immediately skips the topic of the objective sin - yes, yes, you shouldn't have looked at porn - tell me what your relationship with X is like? He goes after the root cause.

"Once saved, always saved" is an anathema that prevents personal growth. The Christian life is about accepting the graces that will allow you to overcome all of these obstacles, and heal all of these wounds. It still involves personal work. Taking communion and thinking you're holy now is an impediment to that.

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RE: The God pill
To me, the God pill = White pill

The White Pill makes you realize that God is the keeper of order and prevents the multiverse from falling into entropy. Understanding the order of the universe and the role you play, God plays and everyone plays gives you the confidence needed to make a change in the world around you so you can leave the world in a much better shape for your next lifetime. A very Aryan type of thinking, and not just relegated only to Christianity.

Also, the cycle that Roosh mentions is basically spot on and around the same mindset that I have.
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You guys are being way too hard on the older brother.

He felt he was being unappreciated and taken for granted.

He had the honesty and the confidence in his relationship with his father that he could take his true feelings to him.

It is a lot easier to abase yourself before the father and make a big show of your humility.

It is a lot harder to share your less admirable emotions with him.

And his father reassured him in exactly the way he needed.

The dynamic between the older son and the father was just as necessary as the one between the younger and the father, and it wasn't because he thought he didn't need God or was full of pride or any of that.

It was because he needed to be reassured that he was important to the father.

God allowed the whole dynamic to unfold, the resentment and jealousy, the expression of displeasure, and the reassurance by dad.

He wasn't being slapped down for daring to think he understood things better than daddy.

He was reassured that he was important to him.

Any time I hear people analyze this parable, there seems to be a competition for who can throw big brother under the bus faster, as if that is some sign of righteousness.

Big brother was cool, working shoulder to shoulder with his father faithfully for years. It is only right that his feelings would be hurt. Doesn't God say in the Bible that we will be rewarded in heaven for our actions on earth?

His was the deeper relationship with his father, and he is not a cardboard character slapped into the parable for us to feel superior to.

He said what was on his mind, his father heard it, and let him know how much he loved him.

Give the guy with the aching back and the dirty fingernails a break.

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(03-30-2019 07:20 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  
(03-30-2019 02:41 PM)lex the impaler Wrote:  I don't understand why the atheists feel the urge to contribute, even though they've been asked politely not to. Interesting path for you Roosh. I wish you the best. However, how will you reconcile the fact that your earlier books are leading men to sin? I might be wrong, but I view your situation as similar to that of St. Augustine.

Because atheists think they're smarter than us rubes who believe in God and can't help but come in and proselytize their bleak,depressing, nihilistic world view. All I have to do is look around me at all of the cultural and moral rot to see what a dismal failure the religion of "woke" atheists has wrought upon us.

I don't feel this way at all, and my world view is no more bleak and nihilistic than anyone elses.

There are components of the human soul that develop differently from person to person depending on the usual factors of temperament and environment.

I have seen that 'stages' are mostly artificial, i.e., first blue, then white, then red, then black pill, then whatever.

A person can be underdeveloped intellectually but developed emotionally, and vice versa. I am underdeveloped intellectually compared to my peers, emotionally I have faults but understand a lot because of severe challenges I had to overcome. A side effect of this is understanding all kinds of music, I get rock, jazz, classical, rap, techno, most people, including musicians understand one or two styles. The price I've paid for this understanding is in the intellect, I can't think as cleanly and properly as I would like to.

Maybe the atheists you notice are like the noticed persons of any group, they tend to be extreme and then are viewed as representative of that group rather than the exaggerations that they are.
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(03-30-2019 02:10 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  By the way, He's 'Abba'. It doesn't matter what the Jews called him, and my gut tells me to stay away from that name. I had sensed it, then had conversations with different Religious that I can reliably-detect the actions of the Holy Spirit in over a couple of weeks, whom all volunteered the same knowledge whilst having a deeper awareness of his constant presence in each moment. I can see the patterns of behaviour of who is in the world and who has been removed from it. All of them: 'Abba'.

Food for contemplation.

Interesting. Anyone care to explain more? Where does the name derive from?
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Debeguiled: Just of of curiousity, what denomination are you?
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Good for you Roosh! I wish you growth, peace, and enlightenment on your spiritual journey.

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(03-31-2019 01:09 PM)Zep Wrote:  
(03-30-2019 07:20 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  
(03-30-2019 02:41 PM)lex the impaler Wrote:  I don't understand why the atheists feel the urge to contribute, even though they've been asked politely not to. Interesting path for you Roosh. I wish you the best. However, how will you reconcile the fact that your earlier books are leading men to sin? I might be wrong, but I view your situation as similar to that of St. Augustine.

Because atheists think they're smarter than us rubes who believe in God and can't help but come in and proselytize their bleak,depressing, nihilistic world view. All I have to do is look around me at all of the cultural and moral rot to see what a dismal failure the religion of "woke" atheists has wrought upon us.

I don't feel this way at all, and my world view is no more bleak and nihilistic than anyone elses.

There are components of the human soul that develop differently from person to person depending on the usual factors of temperament and environment.

I have seen that 'stages' are mostly artificial, i.e., first blue, then white, then red, then black pill, then whatever.

A person can be underdeveloped intellectually but developed emotionally, and vice versa. I am underdeveloped intellectually compared to my peers, emotionally I have faults but understand a lot because of severe challenges I had to overcome. A side effect of this is understanding all kinds of music, I get rock, jazz, classical, rap, techno, most people, including musicians understand one or two styles. The price I've paid for this understanding is in the intellect, I can't think as cleanly and properly as I would like to.

Maybe the atheists you notice are like the noticed persons of any group, they tend to be extreme and then are viewed as representative of that group rather than the exaggerations that they are.

So you don't think the cultural rot around us has a lot to do with the loss of spirituality and belief in something greater than themselves? Atheists always want to claim that they don't need any belief in order for them to have a deep sense of being and consciousness but the way the modern world has devolved is directly correlated to rise of skepticism in a higher power and an increase in the belief that this physical world is the only world that exists. Why are people today more anxious and depressed than ever, turning to the use of drugs and other indulgences to dull their never ending emotional and spiritual pain? If indulgence in the physical world was the true calling for humans as Atheists fervently believe, should people today not be more enlightened and spiritually much more fulfilled instead of the broken messes that they are?

The stages of human experiences are very much real despite your protestations to the contrary Zep. Humans evolve in thought and feeling through their lives and pass through these and other stages. As to your description of your understanding of music, I don't understand your point here. Again, if one chooses not to believe in God, that's fine but in my experience, I have found that people with a strong faith are far better able to cope with the ups and downs of life on this earth far better than the non-believers who depend on solely on the physical world for their fulfillment.
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I'm not surprised that Roosh and other men are coming to this realization. I would even put the God Pill first in the pill sequence, but we run away or don't recognize the call.

The world is backwards that many of us start out with the God pill and are led astray.

I grew up in a religious household and I remember being very young and knowing that God existed and had a plan for me, but I didn't listen.

Then as a teenager a religious friend asked me to go to church with him, he realized I was struggling. On the outside, I was fine, but there was just emptiness inside.

I went with him to mass and had one of the craziest experiences of my life. I sat there and the priest was asking us to invite the Holy Spirit into our lives. I was battling with myself on whether to do this. That's one thing about God, you must invite him in. It's the same for evil, you can't be 'possessed' so to speak without allowing the evil in.

At that moment I made the mental decision to let in the Holy Spirit. My body convulsed and my eye lids began fluttering like I was in a trance. It was such a strange experience that to this day I cannot explain it.

Still after all this, I went down the materialist path.

Last year I had a situation where I was in discussion to join the Franciscans.

At this point I'm still making sense of the journey, but I can tell you that my life, behavior, and priorities have changed immensely.

There are some pitfalls I'm trying to avoid. A lot of religious people in my experience abandon their use of reason. They also misinterpret God's word and use it to justify immoral actions (killing in the name of God, etc)

Many religious institutions are also infiltrated top to bottom by clearly false teachers. These people need to be removed from power and the swamp drained so to speak.

There are also teachings from other religions that are valuable. Some groups label everything else as false or satanic, which is clearly untrue.

I am a proponent of meditation, which I Iearned in the Buddhist tradition. Meditation also still exists in the Christian tradition, although it has been greatly lost these days. For some history read about St. Theresa of Avila.
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(03-31-2019 04:44 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  
(03-31-2019 01:09 PM)Zep Wrote:  
(03-30-2019 07:20 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  
(03-30-2019 02:41 PM)lex the impaler Wrote:  I don't understand why the atheists feel the urge to contribute, even though they've been asked politely not to. Interesting path for you Roosh. I wish you the best. However, how will you reconcile the fact that your earlier books are leading men to sin? I might be wrong, but I view your situation as similar to that of St. Augustine.

Because atheists think they're smarter than us rubes who believe in God and can't help but come in and proselytize their bleak,depressing, nihilistic world view. All I have to do is look around me at all of the cultural and moral rot to see what a dismal failure the religion of "woke" atheists has wrought upon us.

I don't feel this way at all, and my world view is no more bleak and nihilistic than anyone elses.

There are components of the human soul that develop differently from person to person depending on the usual factors of temperament and environment.

I have seen that 'stages' are mostly artificial, i.e., first blue, then white, then red, then black pill, then whatever.

A person can be underdeveloped intellectually but developed emotionally, and vice versa. I am underdeveloped intellectually compared to my peers, emotionally I have faults but understand a lot because of severe challenges I had to overcome. A side effect of this is understanding all kinds of music, I get rock, jazz, classical, rap, techno, most people, including musicians understand one or two styles. The price I've paid for this understanding is in the intellect, I can't think as cleanly and properly as I would like to.

Maybe the atheists you notice are like the noticed persons of any group, they tend to be extreme and then are viewed as representative of that group rather than the exaggerations that they are.

So you don't think the cultural rot around us has a lot to do with the loss of spirituality and belief in something greater than themselves?

No, not really. The fragmentation of the individual and thus society I see as a symptom of the internet coming into existence about 25 years ago, plus the mass immigration splitting up community-feeling in large cities, plus the marxist indoctrination in high-schools and universities. Now that marxists control MAJOR amounts of the internet and media, they can promote their disgusting messages with no push-back at all. I think they had this plan all along don't you? It's just that the internet sped this process up ten-fold.

Quote: Atheists always want to claim that they don't need any belief in order for them to have a deep sense of being and consciousness but the way the modern world has devolved is directly correlated to rise of skepticism in a higher power and an increase in the belief that this physical world is the only world that exists.


This is simply not true. There is no need for any God to have profound and deep experiences of the divine. It is one way to get there, so is LSD, so is meditation, so is any activity really. "If a fool persists in his folly, he soon shall become wise" William Blake. I don't need to believe in a God to have profound experiences, this is almost laughable to me. The intellect is a clunky way to reach the divine, it also is a trap for many, in that one can intellectualize too much as an avoidance of that which must be felt in order to grow. You keep thinking that a non-belief in religion equates a rejection of a divine, spiritual plane?? Ok. That's your business, but I KNOW it's not true.

Quote:Why are people today more anxious and depressed than ever, turning to the use of drugs and other indulgences to dull their never ending emotional and spiritual pain?

Societal fragmentation due to the factors I mentioned above, plus job loss, plus alienation due to a splintered community.

Quote: If indulgence in the physical world was the true calling for humans as Atheists fervently believe,


I've never heard this stated once. Not once. "The physical world is all there is" ?? what? you think atheists fervently believe this? I know there is MUCH more than the physical plane, but, we're on the planet in a physical jacket for now, and if you let all that information in from other frequencies you will go insane. Many schizophrenics are stuck in this mode, their antennas are picking up 10 radio stations at once and have them turned to 10. You NEED to filter out a lot of reality occurring around you to not overwhelm yourself.

Quote:should people today not be more enlightened and spiritually much more fulfilled instead of the broken messes that they are?

Of course, I wish that was the case, but then, I wished that was the case in the 80's, and then in the 90's, and then in the 2000's, point being, most people are just getting on with their lives in the environment they're in with the intelligences they've been given.

Quote:The stages of human experiences are very much real despite your protestations to the contrary Zep.


I think you misunderstand what I meant. Think of Jeff Bezos, a boss in the boardroom, inadequate in his romantic life. Point being that despite 'the stages of life' as a very basic overarching concept, within those are still the individuals personal inadequacies that need attending to. None of us can avoid getting old, but, who are you when you arrive there? are you stuck in the past like many of my musician friends are? how much emotional growth have you incurred, how much intellectual growth?? did your kids, wife and job put your inner growth in a suspended state? I'm not blaming anyone, I've seen the sheer amount of energy it takes to raise kids! Maybe like many you are so exhausted by the time you hit 50 you say "fuck it", and don't bother growing any more, I met my share of these people also.

Quote:Humans evolve in thought and feeling through their lives and pass through these and other stages.


At what rate? that's my point. Surely you know people who are hopelessly stuck in the past, or unable to move beyond an emotional, physical or intellectual stage. The suggested constant growth implied in your statement is just not true in reality.

Quote:As to your description of your understanding of music, I don't understand your point here. Again, if one chooses not to believe in God, that's fine but in my experience, I have found that people with a strong faith are far better able to cope with the ups and downs of life on this earth far better than the non-believers who depend on solely on the physical world for their fulfillment.

Well, I suppose I could see why this could be.

Let's say I start praying, what am I doing? Self-hypnosis essentially, this in turn activates the RAS,

Quote:Your RAS takes what you focus on and creates a filter for it. It then sifts through the data and presents only the pieces that are important to you. All of this happens without you noticing, of course. The RAS programs itself to work in your favor without you actively doing anything. Pretty awesome, right?

In the same way, the RAS seeks information that validates your beliefs. It filters the world through the parameters you give it, and your beliefs shape those parameters. If you think you are bad at giving speeches, you probably will be. If you believe you work efficiently, you most likely do. The RAS helps you see what you want to see and in doing so, influences your actions.

Have you ever had the experience of buying a type of car, then start seeing it everywhere on the roads? cool eh. That's the RAS, those cars were always there, you just hadn't trained yourself to notice them. Now they seem to be everywhere.

If I apply this to prayer? Ok ... I looked up a prayer and found the following.
Quote: "The LORD is my strength and my shield; my heart trusts in him, and he helps me. My heart leaps for joy, and with my song I praise him. The LORD is the strength of his people, a fortress of salvation for his anointed one." ~ Psalm 28:7-8

I if were to start praying I'd have to find a replacement for the word Lord, I distrust man-made spirituality, so I choose 'Nature', I've been in awe in front of a mountain, it is awesome, it is deeply masculine and deeply beautiful, I have also been touched by the magnificence of trees and the beauty of flowers, flowers are deeply feminine and equally as beautiful as a mountain face. So, 'nature' gets away from any man-made nonsense and combines the best of the masculine and feminine for me. It is not of the mind, of words, of thought, it is much much much bigger than these.

I'd change the above prayer then, to "Nature is my strength and my shield; my heart leaps for joy, and with my song I praise nature, Nature is the strength of the world, a fortress for salvation"

If I pray this every day, with as much intention as I can, I'll surely build my RAS and start noticing the awesomeness and beauty of nature around me, and start training my mind away from the ugliness that is the city.
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I was reading 'The Story of a Soul' in the pews before Mass started this morning, and it matched the observation I described yesterday.

(describing the giving of New Years Presents in her family)

Quote:"That day we were dressed as quickly as possible, and then we were on the watch to jump up on Papa's neck; as soon as he came out of his room our shrieks of joy resounded through the whole house and this poor little Father seemed happy to see us content. The gifts Marie and Pauline gave their little girls also gave them great joy, though the gifts had no great value. Ah! It was because we were not blase at this age; our soul in all its freshness was expanding like a flower content to receive the morning dew."

Huh. I'll see where this takes me.
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(03-31-2019 04:53 PM)Neo Wrote:  I'm not surprised that Roosh and other men are coming to this realization. I would even put the God Pill first in the pill sequence, but we run away or don't recognize the call.

The world is backwards that many of us start out with the God pill and are led astray.

I wouldn't equate the God Pill as Roosh has presented it with growing up in a religious institution. If anything, insitutional Christianity is a Blue Pill in its way, just like if you grew up in any other culture or institution and only knew that environment. Because most people do not move past the Blue Pill stage of understanding reality, and continue to just repeat the same mantras (which may be entirely valid) without understanding what they mean. To move beyond the Blue Pill is an individual effort. Even the super conservative, reformed, study-the-Bible-inside out crowd doesn't come close to understanding things at the level that the manosphere does.

Take marriage for example. Conservative Christian teachers will say that it was instituted by God, one man one woman, it is the proper order, etc. I grew up listening to that, but on a gut level I felt that there was a real world aspect missing from that explanation. Why did other cultures that developed completely separately from Abrahamic religions have the same concept of marriage? E.g. East Asian cultures. Why did people in the Old Testament accept polygamy even while strongly opposing adultery? By failing to provide answers to these questions, the Christian teachers are stuck in their own Blue Pill stage, no matter how biblically correct their own beliefs are.

It wasn't until I read some MGTOW literature many years later that I finally found a satisfactory answer, that marriage is to ensure paternity and inheritance, thus securing a future in society for every man, and giving them incentive and skin in the game to contribute toward the continuation of that society. With a rational basis for marriage, one can see how different cultures could have arrived at the same concept independently. And polygamy does not undermine this system in the same way that adultery does. It causes problems but not critical ones; e.g. lack of available women can be mitigated by multiple brothers marrying the same wife, thus still ensuring genetic inheritance, as is done in some places in India.

I had never heard or read anything like that from Christian sources. People immersed in Christian culture simply don't get it, and the church as a whole will never work through these difficult but not impossible questions. That's why most Christians (and most members of any other institution or culture) are fundamentally Blue Pill in their beliefs. Most are NPCs who are content just to do what's expected of them, with no sense of curiosity about what lies beyond the frontier of their culture.

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(03-31-2019 03:42 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  ...

A Christian man is unrefined gold, placed in a crucible to melt. God is the goldsmith. Gold has any number of imperfections, bits and pieces within it, and the initial melting allows the easiest, biggest chunks to rise to the surface, where the smith can skim them off and dispose of them. But to find and remove the deeper imperfections, the initial temperature is insufficient; so the smith turns up the heat higher. Deeper imperfections rise and are removed. So the process continues, the temperature going higher and higher, the deepest imperfections rising to the top to be skimmed off and disposed of by the smith.

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Spoken like the true Alchemist you are Paracelsus.

Jung devotes nearly a hundred pages to Paracelsus in Alchemical Studies: Collected Works of C.G. Jung, Volume 13.

I managed to find a copy on line just a day or two ago as I was doing more preparation to contribute something to this thread. I referred to it a couple of times in my previous posts.

You can grab a legal copy here (for now). I've broken the link:

https://www. jungiananalysts.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/C.-G.-Jung-Collected-Works-Volume-13_-Alchemical-Studies.pdf

It's about a hundred bucks to buy new or 50 bucks from an academic repository. For some reason it's just there out in the open. Grab it while you can. It's an excellent book to buy though even if you only have but a small library. It covers so much ground, and you will find yourself coming back to it again and again.

You want to start at -

III. PARACELSUS AS A SPIRITUAL PHENOMENON

Pages 109-190

I've taken a little snippet:

[Image: PARA1.png]



The very 'process' you talk about there from the Crucible is Alchemical in nature. Jung said that after Alchemy was squashed out, outmoded and abandoned, it would take another 200 years for man to discover the psyche. Turning silver in to gold - refinement of not just something in to a more pure form, but another form again sometimes - transmutation.

But why was Alchemy squashed out, outmoded and abandoned? A few reasons - that Jung expounds on several times throughout his work. Not least the coming of Christ.

Christianity spreading through the Pagan world with astonishing rapidity.

[Image: BEL.png]


Alchemy is spread through several millenia. In several parts of the world. It's not just the golden age of after Christ and pre-rennaisance that most of us associate it with, it was very much 'BC' as well.

https://www.sciencehistory.org/age-of-alchemy

For many of us alchemy conjures up images of mysticism or a fool’s quest for gold. But alchemy’s golden age was much more. In this era of experimental discovery and practical skill, physicians and chymists worked to heal the human body. They studied the secrets of the natural world. These men and women ushered in change, creativity, and scientific inquiry.


Christ fulfilled a need in very real terms. So Alchemy which had been 'grappling in the dark' was made somewhat redundant. Of course, it didn't go away. I don't want to get too caught up on Alchemy, or even Jung. But he seems to be the thread and needle that sews this rich tapestry together, for me anyway.

I liked this image of the Alchemist -

[Image: the_alchemist_and_his_wife.png?itok=axP12rrq]


But to find and remove the deeper imperfections, the initial temperature is insufficient; so the smith turns up the heat higher. Deeper imperfections rise and are removed. So the process continues, the temperature going higher and higher, the deepest imperfections rising to the top to be skimmed off and disposed of by the smith.



As for Alchemy ocurring through the ages, one of its main works - The Hermetica by Hermes Trismegistus ("thrice-greatest Hermes") appears around what many consider the 'golden age' - a little while after Christ. But Jung points out that he was also supposed to have existed pre-Christ and at another time as well. Is this why he is called "thrice-greatest Hermes"? I don't know. But this is the age and the Hermes that most people think of when his name is mentioned.

But it wasn't just Alchemy that they were diving in to.

They discuss the divine, the cosmos, mind, and nature. Some touch upon alchemy, astrology, and related concepts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetica


Jung is a scholar of Christianity among other things. He goes too far sometimes and it all devolves in to a nonsense I'm sure that even he couldn't understand, or only he could understand, rather. There are many valid criticisms of him. But I don't want to get caught up on that here. I'm interested in how Alchemy relates to Christianity, and also other Eastern religions.

Jung and Alchemy are just a map. And the map is not the territory.

As for how all this connects with and to Christianity -

[Image: JU.png]

I'm hitting the captchas so now would be a good time to wind this post up.

More good news is that I found a link to another legal pdf you can read on line:

http://www. venerabilisopus.org/en/books-samael-aun-weor-gnostic-sacred-esoteric-spiritual/pdf/200/267_jung-carl-psychology-and-religion-west-and-east.pdf

This is where that last screenshot comes from. A great find. Alchemical studies is Volume 13, this is:

Collected Works of C.G. Jung, Volume 11
Psychology and Religion: West and East


Hearing Bosch talk about mysticism with relation to Christianity is also very enlightening. But I'll save that for later.


I also found a work I had never heard of before: The_Psychology_of_Kundalini_Yoga

I spent some hours this morning preparing a post about my experience on mushrooms with Kundalini. It was the most profound experience of my life, so I want to do it justice. The archetypal mystical experience that all religions allude to when one meets with God, the One God.

I did some Vajrayana type Lightning Vehicle Buddhist meditation while I tried to remember it as accurately as possible. This lasted about 3 hours. I had been in serious pain earlier, but my body calmed and the strangest thing happened, as I remembered the Serpent Power: I could feel the peristalsis of my stool moving down my lower back passage. It was incredibly vivid. Not like that moment when you want to take a shit, just the actual slow movement down and through. Kundalini acts on the base Chakra and rises. Very strange and unique - I'd never experienced that before.

I will also quickly cover Chakras as they are alluded to in many Eastern religions and how they actually correlate with the Endocrine system and axes of the body. There are 7 parts to the human Endocrine system, and generally speaking there are usually 7 Chakras mentioned in Eastern Mysticisim/Religiion. They align pretty much perfectly.

I'll also quickly delve in to things like the God Molecule - DMT and the other psychedelics and how they relate to other neurotransmitters such as Serotonin and Dopamine. After all, it is these hormones and signal generators that send the messages through the Chakras and Glands of the body, creating either a healthy positive feedback loop, or a potentially debilitating negative feedback loop.

I'll also try to cover how major disruption to this system relates to trauma such as in C-PTSD and PTSD - how it manifests and ways to combat it. I hope it is within scope of this thread, but one thing leads to another. It is hard to find and become closer to God when in pain. I would say being able to alleviate that pain and get your body back to equillibrium puts you in a much better state to do your searching/praying/meditating and let's not forget what it's all really about - living!

I'll put the link to the Kundalini Yoga book in my next post.


I'll just end with this. I found the quote I paraphrased from Jung in my very first post in this thread. It's apropos to all this talk of Kundalini and Yoga.


There could be no greater mistake than for aWesterner to take up the direct practice of Chinese yoga, for that wouldmerely strengthen his will and consciousness against the unconscious andbring about the very effect to be avoided. The neurosis would then simplybe intensified. It cannot be emphasized enough that we are not Orientals,and that we have an entirely different point of departure in these matters. Itwould also be a great mistake to suppose that this is the path every neuroticmust travel, or that it is the solution at every stage of the neurotic problem.It is appropriate only in those cases where consciousness has reached anabnormal degree of development and has diverged too far from theunconscious. This is the sine qua non of the process. Nothing would bemore wrong than to open this way to neurotics who are ill on account of anexcessive predominance of the unconscious. For the same reason, this wayof development has scarcely any meaning before the middle of life(normally between the ages of thirty-five and forty), and if entered upon toosoon can be decidedly injurious.

C.-G.-Jung-Collected-Works-Volume-13_-Alchemical-Studies.pdf


Whatever, I wasn't going to post. But seeing Paracelsus talk about melting metals down in relation to refinement of the 'soul' was all too much for me.

Paracelsus, is that you?

Could it be that you did find the Elixir of life - the Philosopher's stone?
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To follow up on my last post about church girls in this thread, here's a thread dug up from way back called "Jesus Freak girls - the only "normal" girls in the US?"

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-17115.html

Going through the thread is like going through an outline of the history of the forum. The thread was originally started in 2012 when the forum was still full on about traveling and game and not much about politics or the cultural war.

Fast forward to 2017 and someone bumped the thread asking "Almost 5 years have passed since this thread was started.
I wonder if the majority of forum members is still hostile to these types of girls even today ?" - no doubt because the culture of the forum had drastically changed since.

It's two years later and now the owner of the thread himself has made a turn around. So I'm asking in 2019 - how do the current membership of this forum feel about the issues that were brought up in the thread?
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(03-31-2019 08:33 PM)BlueMark Wrote:  Take marriage for example. Conservative Christian teachers will say that it was instituted by God, one man one woman, it is the proper order, etc. I grew up listening to that, but on a gut level I felt that there was a real world aspect missing from that explanation. Why did other cultures that developed completely separately from Abrahamic religions have the same concept of marriage? E.g. East Asian cultures. Why did people in the Old Testament accept polygamy even while strongly opposing adultery? By failing to provide answers to these questions, the Christian teachers are stuck in their own Blue Pill stage, no matter how biblically correct their own beliefs are.

There is a section in Alasdair MacIntyre's book "After Virtue" that deals with what some Europeans saw when they first came to Hawaii. The natives were practicing all kinds of religious prohibitions; but when asked why, none of them could explain the reasoning for these "taboos." Shortly after, a new king abolished all of them and no one cared.


(03-31-2019 08:33 PM)BlueMark Wrote:  It wasn't until I read some MGTOW literature many years later that I finally found a satisfactory answer, that marriage is to ensure paternity and inheritance, thus securing a future in society for every man, and giving them incentive and skin in the game to contribute toward the continuation of that society. With a rational basis for marriage, one can see how different cultures could have arrived at the same concept independently. And polygamy does not undermine this system in the same way that adultery does. It causes problems but not critical ones; e.g. lack of available women can be mitigated by multiple brothers marrying the same wife, thus still ensuring genetic inheritance, as is done in some places in India.

It needs to made clear that these kind of materialist-reductionist arguments are very dangerous. I understand what you're getting at, but the exact same logic can be used to destroy, not defend; eg. if adultery is only bad because of STD's and bastardry, what do we get? The pill, planned parenthood, and anti-biotics.
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Crikey.

"Long time listener, first time caller" from all the way back in May '18.

Sure, OK.

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So you're having a midlife crisis. Embrace it and enjoy. When it ends, come back to reality please.

Enjoy your happy feelings, though.
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@Roosh

You may strongly consider creating some unaffiliated back up forum and publicizing it now; as, if this thread and your youtube thing develops well, it's going to strongly increase the likelihood of this place getting quietly disappeared for "hate" or whatever.
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Roosh is a scientist, so he may be interested in Pascal's Wager. Pascal argued that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. Pascal's Wager was groundbreaking because it charted new territory in probability theory and marked the first formal use of decision theory.

In the seventeenth century the mathematician Blaise Pascal formulated his infamous pragmatic argument for belief in God. The argument runs as follows:

If you erroneously believe in God, you lose nothing (assuming that death is the absolute end), whereas if you correctly believe in God, you gain everything (eternal bliss). But if you correctly disbelieve in God, you gain nothing (death ends all), whereas if you erroneously disbelieve in God, you lose everything (eternal damnation).

In other words, from purely a position of logic, not believing in God is just plain foolish -- considering that the downside is eternal damnation.

Quote:The Wager uses the following logic (excerpts from Pensées, part III, §233):

-- God is, or God is not. Reason cannot decide between the two alternatives.

-- A Game is being played... where heads or tails will turn up.

-- You must wager (it is not optional).

-- Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing.

-- Wager, then, without hesitation that He is. (...) There is here an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain, a chance of gain against a finite number of chances of loss, and what you stake is finite. And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is the finite to stake in a game where there are equal risks of gain and of loss, and the infinite to gain.

-- But some cannot believe. They should then 'at least learn your inability to believe...' and 'Endeavour then to convince' themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager
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I'm right there with you Roosh. Over the last couple of years or so, I've grown into the realization that ultimately doing God's will is the only source of any lasting fulfillment. Sure, there's thing we need here on this side of life, but that's only because there are things that we are supposed to accomplish in service to God. It's a good thing that God can't stop loving his own people. He can be pissed at you, but he can't stop loving you...
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Quote:If you erroneously believe in God, you lose nothing

The error in this is that belief alone doesn't cut it. Ok, you believe, now what? You must surely act on that belief by observing moral laws. And then the hedonist would say: 'I lose nothing? my cummies aren't nothing!'.

This is why most people don't want to believe in God. It has nothing to do with logic, and everything to do with the implications of this belief.

Of course, you could go the other way and, even knowing there is a God, you rebel out of pride. There is a lot of that too.
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Roosh,
I hit the God Pill a year ago. I initially began "tasting" the God Pill through the study of contract law. However, the discovery of Truth through the study of the sciences has led me to see and understand - then enter - the doorway you have now discovered.

I went from college to Army intel to college to self employment as a contract investigator for the feds then to the corporate world and have now "opted out" of TheSystem™.

My study my second go at college was Biology and there have been SO MANY QUESTIONS that I couldn't answer with the evolutionary theories.

I would suggest some references that GREATLY helped me:

- Dr. Jason Lisle with Answers in Genesis. His video, "Science Confirms Biblical Creation".

- Dr. Grady McMurty YouTube vid, "Why I Believe In A Young Earth"

- Any book written by Jason Lisle (above) particularly, "The Ultimate Proof of Creation" wherein he outlines the Ultimate Proof for God's existence.

- The six-part video series covering Walt Brown's Hydroplate Theory. This is an intense amount of information. Be read to sit riveted while you try to keep up - at least I did. You may find it easier to digest.

The above materials have helped me to understand:

Every bit of the geology we see today.
Fossils.
Dinosaurs.
The flood.
The entire history of the universe.
What happens after we die.
How to engage in contract/commerce to win it.
How to be a better person.
Why I should be a better person.
Meteors and asteroids.
How the continents got to be where and the shape they are.
Genetics, evolution (or the lack of it), adaptation of species.

That's just a partial list. I was wondering when you would hit this stage my friend because I've watched you go through the stages. You helped ME go through the stages much more quickly than I would have otherwise.

Thank you.

For those who wish to further their skill in commerce (a must for any man) go check out everything on the website Understand Contract Law And You Win dot Com.

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(04-01-2019 03:19 PM)ilostabet Wrote:  
Quote:If you erroneously believe in God, you lose nothing

The error in this is that belief alone doesn't cut it. Ok, you believe, now what? You must surely act on that belief by observing moral laws. And then the hedonist would say: 'I lose nothing? my cummies aren't nothing!'.

This is why most people don't want to believe in God. It has nothing to do with logic, and everything to do with the implications of this belief.

Of course, you could go the other way and, even knowing there is a God, you rebel out of pride. There is a lot of that too.

If you erroneously believe in God, you still lose nothing -- and, in fact, you gain the superior life that stems from observing a moral law.

It is the contrast of this superior life that stems from observing moral law, versus shallow self-defeating hedonism, that Roosh finally recognized after his long journey in the wilderness. In fact, it is why he created this thread.

The law of God is written in the heart of every man by virtue of his being created in God’s image (this predates the Old Covenant, which predates the New Covenant). Because God has given us free will, you can choose to listen to it or ignore it. God has clearly articulated the end result of both choices.

https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/h...very-heart
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(04-01-2019 03:34 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(04-01-2019 03:19 PM)ilostabet Wrote:  
Quote:If you erroneously believe in God, you lose nothing

The error in this is that belief alone doesn't cut it. Ok, you believe, now what? You must surely act on that belief by observing moral laws. And then the hedonist would say: 'I lose nothing? my cummies aren't nothing!'.

This is why most people don't want to believe in God. It has nothing to do with logic, and everything to do with the implications of this belief.

Of course, you could go the other way and, even knowing there is a God, you rebel out of pride. There is a lot of that too.

If you erroneously believe in God, you still lose nothing -- and, in fact, you gain the superior life that stems from observing a moral law.

It is the contrast of this superior life that stems from observing moral law, versus shallow self-defeating hedonism, that Roosh finally recognized after his long journey in the wilderness. In fact, it is why he created this thread.

The law of God is written in the heart of every man by virtue of his being created in God’s image (this predates the Old Covenant, which predates the New Covenant). Because God has given us free will, you can choose to listen to it or ignore it. God has clearly articulated the end result of both choices.

https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/h...very-heart

As interesting as Pascal's wager is, it is meaningless in terms of believing in a Christian God, and another example of how smart guys can be foolish.

If he had just read Paul's letters, and remembered them, he would know that this sort of thinking is an avenue that was unceremoniously shut down with a thump.

Paul's point?

Truth matters.

Living a virtuous life because you believed a lie is a waste of time, and you are better off an alcoholic and a good dancer than a believer in falsehoods.

Jesus is real. That is what Paul believes. The Resurrection is real. That is why it is worth suffering and risking your life for.



1 Corinthians 15:29:

Quote: Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them? 30 And as for us, why do we endanger ourselves every hour? 31 I face death every day—yes, just as surely as I boast about you in Christ Jesus our Lord. 32 If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus with no more than human hopes, what have I gained? If the dead are not raised,

“Let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we die"

Pascal's wager is an interesting thought experiment though.

It is also interesting that Paul felt the need to address this very argument.

Either he had already come up against it long before Pascal, or he was anticipating Pascal's argument.

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